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00:00everybody hears what they want to hear and it usually leads to like people getting you know
00:06kind of hot and bothered by the other person's take and I kind of heard it with what Nick Wright
00:10just said that we played where it's like I think you're hearing stuff that no one's saying
00:15no nobody nobody puts Brock Purdy in tier one nobody nobody puts him next to Mahomesboro Allen
00:23and Lamar and then we get through saying that and what fires through dibs on the boxer and
00:29Gerson work injury attorney's text line thank you so much for listening 415 we really appreciate it
00:36but here's your text that I would argue is proof that you are suffering from selective hearing
00:44the text is y'all are so bad you're comparing Brock to Joe Burrow and Joe Burrow took a team from worst
00:53to first and Brock could never do that Daryl in San Francisco first of all I personally believe
00:59Brock's going to do that this year second of all both of them have taken a team to the Super Bowl
01:03but third of all ain't nobody compared Brock Purdy to Joe Burrow what I just did was compare the
01:10situations and asked if you're going to use these tiers and if you're going to use last year Brock's
01:17worst moments to define his entire career and the fact that the 49ers lost more games than they've won
01:24and didn't make the playoffs why are you not doing that with somebody who was a unanimous tier one
01:30who sits in the same boat why does that not apply to Joe Burrow why did he not win all the games
01:37even though his defense sucked just like Brock Purdy's did why why does that only apply to Brock
01:43that's my question that's right not comparing the two other than to say the situation why does it
01:50get hung around Brock's neck and not somebody who's in tier one it's goes back to good old draftism
01:56being uh your guy even made mention to that I think Nick Wrong we like to call him around these parts
02:02and Mr. Wrong even talked about how you know he tried to give him his flowers saying well he's already
02:08outplayed his draft position who gives a crap about how you play relative to your draft position if you're
02:14drafted in the top five and you stink or let's just say you were drafted number 12 and you happen
02:21to go to New England and your name is Mac Jones and you're not very good well you don't get to stay
02:26just because you were drafted number 12 and darn it we're going to make sure you're great and
02:30Trey Lance here he has not lived up to his draft potential and so it's a miss and I don't think you
02:36can apply the same thing to somebody who outplays their draft position because if you get drafted
02:42at the very end of the entire thing and you're good well then the other team should feel bad
02:48because they missed on you I mean like there's so many examples of this like we live in the Bay Area
02:53Joe Montana was a third round pick are are you happy with just being like well he outplayed his draft
02:59status or are you allowed to go be more at Tom Brady sixth round pick are you allowed to go be more
03:07or are you supposed to just settle for that I'm better than my draft status let's leave it at that
03:12let's stop having conversations let's stop having debate and let's stop being open-minded to what
03:18we're actually seeing out there so for me again the bottom line on this and then we'll go to the
03:23phones we'd love to hear from all you 888-957-9570 uh the bottom line for me is I'm not running from
03:31the fact that Brock's year was nowhere near as good last year and I think there are many reasons
03:36for that and some are on his shoulders and some are not a bad defense around him sure injuries
03:42whether you want to talk about offensive line play whatever whatever it is but I am not big
03:49on defining whether it's a sports career or a friend I am not big on defining people by their
03:55worst moments so you don't do you boy you do not get to use last year to erase the previous two
04:02that's a no from me dog those weren't even his lowest moments I think his lowest moments were
04:08Christmas the year before where that's good he flat out stunk in that game and yeah there was a
04:14tip pass and we had this debate with Cosell and he was wrong and I can't wait to talk to him again
04:18this year because Greg Cosell's never wrong he's not always right he's never wrong but he's not always
04:23right so you go ahead and figure that one out and that was the night where he flat out stunk and he
04:29lost the MVP and what did he do he bounced back and made it to the Super Bowl so you know you're
04:34never as good as your greatest moments you're never as bad as your worst moments and I think a lot about
04:39golf when I you know ponder that very idea because I've had moments of absolute pure greatness in the
04:48the brightest of lights making birdie on one of the toughest par fours on the planet and then I
04:53can give you a thousand examples of you know me making a snowman or taking a nine or hitting three
04:59straight in the water or four putting the rest of it um what was the number eight pebble beach over
05:05the chasm oh yeah you got to drive it out not too far now that second shot which is about a hundred
05:10yard force carry over you die I fed the pacific ocean on that hole oh yeah I fed it I made birdie
05:17here take my ball that's just like intimidating completely intimidating that's good birdie it's
05:22an amazing birdie if that was me then I wouldn't be talking to you I'd be at Olympic right now playing
05:28in the uh USM oh but I'm not but I'm not because you can't you cannot judge somebody by their greatest
05:34or their worst you're right about that all right 888-957-9570 uh we're about to go to the phones but
05:40again just for for those of you just joining us uh again no more well no now you have to I get it
05:47take a listen this is just one of the pieces in the debate between Colin Cowherd and Nick Wright on
05:53FS1 the Brock Purdy folks are not going to be reasoned with and I've said this before but I will say it
06:00again this is a essentially a six year long how do you view football war that started with Jimmy
06:09Garoppolo Jimmy Garoppolo won but objectively was not that good and some people were like nope he's a
06:17winner he's got it and there were those of us who were like I actually think with that coaching and
06:23that talent and that scheme you could throw almost anyone in there and they would be successful and
06:31those folks were like no you can't and by the way how would you ever prove that and then they put in
06:36literally the last player picked in the draft and added Christian McCaffrey and instead of those
06:41folks being like oh yeah the talent the scheme and the coaching they're like nope that guy's a
06:46superstar and then those of us were like no he has this amazing team around him and they said
06:51well how do you know he wouldn't do it if he didn't have that team around him and then last year
06:55he didn't have it around him they won six games and they're like no Brock Purdy's still great
07:00like he's fine he's overachiever's draft status I'm happy for him and his family he got paid but
07:06anybody that watches the NFL and thinks he is a force multiplier or he is a substantially you know a
07:13that he is unfairly ranked and the 14 15 16 range I there's just they're not going to they are not
07:21open to the evidence that keeps pouring in year after year or game after game it's kind of funny
07:27because he has an initial point when he's talking about like the uh the ex post on Jimmy Garoppolo
07:32you can have that take my issue there is that you're comparing the two and acting like they're
07:37the same thing and anybody who's watched 49er football knows that Brock Purdy elevates from
07:42Jimmy Garoppolo Brock's worst year last year probably would have been about Jimmy's best so um and again
07:49this whole idea that will long go you could stick anybody in there then how come it didn't work with
07:54how come it didn't work with CJ Beathard how come it didn't work with Nick Mullins how come it doesn't
07:59work with just anyone if you keep saying that you can stick just anyone in there why can't we look
08:06back on Jimmy and go yup he got elevated and then therefore it turned out long term and with other
08:13teams that hasn't been a great fit that disproves nothing from his time with the Niners but also has
08:20nothing to do with a completely new team new roster around him new player where they throw the ball a
08:26lot more put up a hell of a lot more stats through the air all of those things they're not the same
08:31player they should not be used in an argument against one another agreed and there's a couple
08:36other things about what he said and then we'll go to the phones I know people are lining up left and
08:40right but the idea of a force multiplier that always leaves me a little bit hollow because you could look
08:47at Patrick Mahomes is he a force multiplier meaning he takes whatever he has and he makes
08:52them better I'll give you that I think so Josh Allen would be the same you know he he's had a lot of
08:57turnover in his skill positions beyond that I wouldn't call Joe Burrow a force multiplier he's got the
09:03number one overall fantasy pick and he's got another unbelievable receiver and not to even mention
09:09Yoshi Vash and he's got a coach and a great scheme he's had a great running game and they went nine
09:15and eight so the whole idea of force multiplier is one point and the other one the thing that he led
09:20off with there and I'm trying to get his voice down I need a little bit more time there's something
09:25there it's part like squawking waterfowl and part like squidward which I know many people have said
09:33he looks like he kind of has that nasally sound as well a little bit but the other thing about a six
09:38year I don't think he said indictment but a six year case study on how you see football and that
09:44really is interesting because I don't see football through the lens of the quarterback
09:49tiers it's an interesting piece and I like what Mike Sando does but you can be the 14th best
09:56quarterback Brock Purdy and go to a Super Bowl you could be the what Joe is tied for one you could
10:02be tied for first and go nine and eight because football is football right because your defense
10:08matters your offensive line matters your everything matters uh Devon who's in an Uber what's up Devon
10:15thank you for calling hey gentlemen how you guys doing what's up appreciate your call hey yeah uh
10:24I think that a lot of what Nick said although maybe he didn't deliver it in the best way I think a lot of
10:32what he said is valid if you're able to see and hear all the voices that spoke on Brock right uh I do
10:39recall hearing Brock from not only from fans but from outlets media outlets that he's a top five QB
10:47that he's this this and that and they're praising him and you know they're like he's the reason the
10:51Niners are good not necessarily the Niners are good it's like he's the reason and I think that a lot of
10:58people that aren't biased for Brock or I'm sorry that are biased against him or just neutral
11:04don't want to see you know I'm somebody that's neutral I would like to see if he can kind of
11:09lead his team when he doesn't have the shiniest objects the golden pieces you know like um because
11:15I think that's what separates some of the elite quarterbacks you know in the history of the game
11:19you know Tom didn't have the prettiest weapons all the time you know but what did he do with it he
11:25didn't have the the shiniest defenders but some of them stepped up so hopefully the Niners can step
11:30up you know and and help him out because it does take a team as a former player but uh I think Brock
11:36it's like there's a safety net around him that's what I don't like hey Devon can I can I ask you
11:42so I don't I don't want to interrupt but can I ask you a question what's the motivation behind wanting
11:47to see Brock shine with bad stuff happening around him if and I don't want to speak for you
11:55if you're a 49er fan wouldn't you just rather the 49ers have a good year
11:59so I think on a level to answer your question uh I'm not a Niner fan okay I don't care who's
12:10uh dang it well we got Katie there you are okay we lost you for a second brother go ahead
12:16we'll go ahead reboot uh-oh I'm sorry yeah I was saying I'm a warrior fan right okay you got Katie
12:23I didn't care that we had the best talent I wanted to win you know I didn't care you know and and when
12:28we suck or let me not say suck like when we're not you're good so just want to win so I I get that
12:35aspect but I guess from a fan standpoint uh for legacy purposes and I know some people hate that
12:40word we want to see okay we know we know you're a good we know you're happy and joyful when you have
12:47the money are you happy and joyful when you're broke you know are you that kind of player or are
12:52you just that and if this is all you are that's fine you know I think he's a good quarterback I
12:56wouldn't say elite but I think he's really good like and and the beauty of it what I don't like
13:02you know for the people that are super biased before I go it's like give him they're trying
13:06to like cap his ceiling already that's what I don't like he's barely been in the league give him
13:11a chance and allow his story to continue so uh I I again I do agree with a lot of what Nick's saying
13:17but I think that there you know I think it's people are unfair on both sides well I mean that's
13:23probably true on almost any argument Devon thanks I don't I don't hear what Nick was saying people are
13:29saying and you and I do this 20 hours a week and we all have friends who are fans and we talk this
13:33stuff out all day every day I don't hear that top five chatter neither do I hear people say he's great
13:39and I do think that he is great last year wasn't so much but that's the part of it where you know
13:45it's like the the dog that comes over and you're just sitting there and he like pokes you with his
13:51nose and then you turn over and they it's like I didn't I didn't do anything I mean you want to play
13:56obviously and so you're going to pick a fight with me that's what this is well and I'm a Niner fan so I
14:01have no interest in trying to prove anything to everyone that's the piece of this debate that I
14:07really don't necessarily enjoy like are we really heading to the television set every weekend trying
14:14to prove someone else wrong or are we trying to see the 49ers win a football game I don't need Brock
14:21to be Super Bowl MVP I would like the 49ers to win a Super Bowl I would like him to be the quarterback
14:28because that means things are going well for the 49ers quarterback and I don't like it when my favorite
14:33team is on the search for a quarterback but I don't need superstar numbers I don't need any of this stuff
14:40I'm not watching the game with the hopes that I can come in here Monday morning and prove somebody
14:45in Panol wrong I'm just trying to see the Niners win so therefore I do not want this thing that
14:52everyone keeps asking for which is I want to see Brock be a dog when everything around him is wrong I
15:01don't want everything around him to be wrong right that's not like not everything was around him wrong
15:05last year but a lot a lot you know you had a special teams coordinator who lost his job a defensive
15:11coordinator lost his job a defense that was porous multiple guys with family tragedy a gunshot victim
15:17an injury so many things were wrong and you could look at that and say well see Brock Purdy couldn't
15:23do it he couldn't do it when everything went bad around him and then you look at actually how his year
15:29was his year was it was fine to use Nick Wright's word his year last year was fine and so like you said
15:37earlier you can't judge him at his best or at his worst and so that's why I think this year is so
15:42interesting it's not going to be like it was two years ago they don't have that roster your
15:47coordinators should be better your schedule should be a touch lighter and so let's go Brock let's see
15:52what you can do this year now that you got that money I'm glad that you brought up actually that
15:58Christmas day game two seasons ago where he was so bad against the Baltimore Ravens because yes going
16:04into that game I'd argue that that was quote his best moment and you're right that I don't want to
16:11judge him based on that either he went into that game basically in the race to win NFL MVP wow okay
16:20that's a year and a half ago and change NFL MVP and he absolutely had a terrible performance and the
16:29Niners had a terrible form performance and they basically didn't even get us a second half to
16:34watch when we were all filled up with ham so like that was a huge bummer but as you pointed out then
16:40he ended up in the Super Bowl but I don't want like that's not my bar I'm not the bar is NFL MVP
16:47similarly the bottom bar is not going to be I'm going to hang around you that in your last 15 games
16:54you're six and nine when your run defense was 29th in the NFL all of your receivers were were hurt and
17:02and and McCaffrey is hurt and you had special teams mishaps that were blowing games early in the season
17:08all of these things that happen those are true too like come on get off of the high and get off of the
17:15low and get to the middle where as you just pointed out if this is your your your disgusting performance
17:22last year if your disgusting performance is is 3,900 yards 20 touchdowns 12 picks and a QB rating of 96.1
17:32if that's your gross wait 96.1 96.1 unacceptable if that is what are your 16th in the league you're
17:43barely hanging on to tier two if that's your low what are you talking about well if that is your low
17:51then yeah sign up for five more years if a QB rating of 96.1 is his low point then the contract
17:59they just signed is going to be a bargain by the time you get to that final year because that's a
18:04good quarterback rating not elite and I know some of the advanced metrics like EPA which is uh estimated
18:12points added every play is graded on how much better it would have been than the league average I
18:17think he was top three in EPA among quarterbacks even though he didn't have the eye-popping number so
18:23even the advanced metrics would tell you that Brock Purdy wasn't terrible last year no not terrible and I
18:29mean you know like again I don't think this is necessarily the end-all be-all at all but if people
18:35do want to because numbers are numbers if you want to play with that number that that just came up
18:40then yes Matthew Stafford Patrick Mahomes Bo Nix uh Aaron Rodgers and others Caleb Williams CJ
18:48Stroud they were all below that number last year they're all below that number uh just last year
18:53quarterback rating yes okay yeah Mahomes and and uh Stafford two of the QB tier one guys
19:00had it had a worse rating than Purdy in what is apparently Purdy's worst year
19:05and uh and now defining moment I guess I sure and if you look at the guys who are above him uh you
19:11know playing off of what Nick Wright was saying you had Lamar Jackson a great quarterback in a great
19:17system golf's offensive coordinator got a head coaching job because he was so good Burrow we've
19:23already talked about Zach Taylor's a great offensive mind Baker Mayfield in Tampa has an unbelievable
19:29group of skill set guys yet we don't we don't hold that against Baker do we no the fact that he's got
19:34Mike Evans who's a first ballot hall of famer Chris Godwin's a top 25 receiver in the league
19:40Tampa Bay's got you know your crush at running back Bucky Irving love him yeah so but we don't look
19:46at Tampa and say well I mean of course Baker how could you not Baker plays against the NFC South
19:52Baker's got a thousand catch guy another amazing guy talent up the wahoo but we put that on Brock Purdy
20:00because Brock Purdy was drafted last the list of QBs that played 15 or more games last year that had
20:05a better QB rating than Brock Purdy is Jordan Love Jaden Daniels Josh Allen Justin Herbert Sam
20:12Darnold Jalen Hurts Baker Mayfield Joe Burrow Jared Goff Lamar Jackson find the bad list find me the
20:19bad coach find me the bad system the none find me the bad QB none there aren't any uh Malachi in
20:25Livermore hi Malachi appreciate your call what's up hey can you guys hear me got you
20:30hey awesome cool yeah so I agree with you I'm from the Bay I'm a San Francisco homer I don't think
20:38Brock is an elite status at all but I'm kind of tired of this argument about him last year not
20:45taking the team when they went 6-11 when he took them into the fourth quarter he gave the Niners a
20:51lead and the defense blew it they easily could have been nine and eight and this will be a
20:56different conversation that's all I gotta say about Brock guys I'll just listen to the answer
21:01off the air thanks bye okay Malachi thanks and again I'm gonna circle back there to what we sort
21:07of said right at the start of this conversation which I think so much of this comes from people
21:12wanting to grab arguments by putting words into others mouths that no one's saying so if the entire
21:18point of this debate from Colin and Nick is that people who think that Brock Purdy is a top five
21:24QB are nuts you're right they are I don't know that they exist but if you want to like make a cartoon
21:31and and find those people then great have have a blast I'm being told his lovely bride mother of
21:38child has him at six so there you go I got sources probably true thank you