00:00OK, Greg, let me ask you to respond to that and also to ask you what you think would be an acceptable exchange if an exchange is to take place at all.
00:10Yeah, I don't know what the acceptable exchange of land would be, because it's quite natural to suggest that there shouldn't be any.
00:18And that's why I don't I don't disagree with Sir Howard.
00:22And I do think that but I do think we have to be realistic.
00:26And the commitment that was made in 1995 was surely directed around nuclear capabilities or use of nuclear weapons, which, although that threat is always there, I don't think it's a realistic threat that Putin will use those weapons.
00:41But he does have 45 nuclear warheads.
00:43And then, of course, we have to consider that the breach, the first breach was in 2008, not with Ukraine, but specifically with Georgia.
00:51But then in 2014, when I suppose you could argue that Barack Obama should have should have honored that 1995 agreement.
01:00And apparently he did not. And there was some that might have been a time for sticking to the to the letter of the law.
01:08But I think there was appeasement in the Obama term. There surely was some appeasement in the Biden term.
01:14And it's interesting that the only time Putin didn't aggressively take land in the last two decades was when when Trump was president in his first term.
01:24So I don't know what to expect on Friday, but I do think that we just have to be open minded.
01:29And as the president said, he might find out in the first two minutes if Putin's even serious.
01:34The reason Putin is at the table is that is because of the threats of economic, significant economic sanctions.
01:41And that's something that President Trump was not afraid to do during his first term.
01:46He was very hostile to Putin in his first term. But that, you know, the time for deterrence was then.
01:53I'm not sure if it's too it might be too late for deterrence.
01:56And I think because of the past appeasement from several presidents, I think we're in a different situation now.
02:04I think we're going to try to be the case.
02:06And we have to be the case in law.
02:07And I think they've been under those of the past half ininerÃamos.
02:08And they thought, okay, we'd be at the time of this meeting over.
02:10And the first time I think they were in a way of saying the part, we were in a way of saying the next thing,
02:14we know in the past, we just didn't get out of the time of this meeting that we know.
02:15So, why don't we know if we just have the case in a way that the case in one time will return a couple of times.
02:20And so I think that we can take the same thing about this meeting.
02:25And so, because there's no idea what we need to try to do with war.
02:27And it's not gonna happen, but with no idea, it's not going to agree with the fact that we do.
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