00:00And it's really interesting that you talk about Donald Trump there, because obviously he has been pushing and pushing for the end.
00:08A deal still seems a long way off.
00:10But Zelensky has hinted that Ukraine's ambition to join NATO appears now to be off the cards.
00:19What alternative plan will be put in place to ensure Ukraine's future safety?
00:24Well, of course, the United States will have a special responsibility here.
00:31The European Union and NATO without the United States is much too weak to guarantee any securities.
00:40This is just a realistic approach.
00:42And the EU is actually moving closer to using tens of billions of dollars of frozen Russian assets to finance a massive loan for Ukraine.
00:55Are we likely to see European countries agree to release this money?
01:00Well, of course, you talk already about the political frame of the whole thing.
01:10What does this step?
01:12It's actually a confiscate.
01:15It's a confiscation of foreign money.
01:18What does this mean for the political unity of the European Union?
01:23Fact is that now, at this moment, at least five member states of the European Union are critical or they reject the confiscation plans.
01:35These countries are Belgium, Italy, Slovakia, Hungary and Bulgaria.
01:42Maybe they are already more.
01:44Now, the political unity of the European Union is quite at stake and in a critical situation.
01:50I think it's very, very risky from Madame von der Leyen to push a measurement that, again, is a rift, a serious rift in the unity of the European Union.
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