Tobin and Leroy go head-to-head over wild offseason possibilities, including a potential trade.
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00:00Why are you looking at me like that?
00:03From the start of the show, you just haven't been very...
00:06I haven't been very what?
00:09Nice.
00:10I haven't been very nice?
00:11And then with your hot takes, you would trade half the team for Ja Morant.
00:17I'm not trading half the team.
00:18And take a chance.
00:18I'm not trading half the team.
00:20You understand what the risk is with that?
00:28I don't think it's that big a risk.
00:31I don't think it's that big a risk.
00:33I think you need an influx of talent.
00:36I just got a message.
00:38From?
00:38Be careful.
00:39A lot of people are getting tickets here from the new school zone cameras, even when it's not school hours.
00:46Okay.
00:47That's a home base thing or that's around here?
00:51Home base.
00:51Okay.
00:53I don't appreciate that you say that I'm not being reasonable.
00:56You always say I don't appreciate something.
00:58Yeah, you do it consistently.
01:00What did I do?
01:01You're not...
01:03Hold on.
01:05Still pleasing you.
01:06I'm going to ask you guys this.
01:09What part of what I'm about to do seems reasonable?
01:13Okay?
01:15You say you're a reasonable person.
01:18You mentioned the John Morant trade.
01:21Mm-hmm.
01:22And you figure you're reasonable?
01:25Yeah.
01:26Dunce, dunce, dunce, dunce, dunce, dunce, dunce, dunce.
01:28Does that seem reasonable?
01:30We need some new stuff, dude.
01:31It's been the same...
01:32You need new stuff.
01:33We're mundane right now.
01:35We got nothing.
01:36How are you married?
01:37What are you talking about?
01:38Because I'm just...
01:39I'm very loyal.
01:40I didn't trade Tyler.
01:41I didn't trade Bam.
01:41No, but I'm just saying.
01:43Like, you're always looking at the new shiny thing.
01:47We need a new shiny thing.
01:48Objectively, we need a new shiny thing.
01:49Yeah, but you need one that's going to be dependable.
01:51Maybe he'll be dependable down here.
01:53The fact that you say maybe means I'm not giving up half my team for it.
01:57The only...
01:58Like, I agree with Leroy on this sense when it comes to John Morant
02:01because we thought that Jimmy Butler could be dependable.
02:04We thought that we were going to change him,
02:05that he was never going to do what he did in Memphis.
02:07I mean, sorry, in Minnesota, what he did with the 76ers,
02:11and then that turned out to be horrible.
02:13And I think Jaws is an even more...
02:16Like, an even bigger liability than Jimmy Butler ever was.
02:19Great point, Brittany.
02:20Except when things were good with Jimmy Butler.
02:24They were good.
02:25Yeah, but how...
02:26Like, what?
02:26Is it going to be...
02:27We're going to be in a vicious cycle of every four years.
02:30It's going great.
02:31Yeah, and then all of a sudden, it's not going great,
02:33and then John Morant's going to want out of Miami.
02:34I can say...
02:35Sports can be a vicious cycle.
02:37Hey, Smeethan said it perfectly.
02:40At this rate,
02:42Tobin would trade Mrs. Tobin and Senor Gato for Georgia Booty.
02:46That's not fair.
02:47It has nothing to do with my love life.
02:48So, wait.
02:52There's only one person out there
02:53that I would be willing to move as many players as you are.
02:59There's only one.
03:00Who?
03:01Giannis.
03:02Okay.
03:03But I'm not doing a Giannis haul for John Morant.
03:08It's not a haul, though,
03:09because you only get up one pick.
03:10Yeah, but to get that young talent in return,
03:15that allows a team like Milwaukee to build for the future
03:18while getting some solid play.
03:21They've got some solid play.
03:22I'm sure they don't want to go in the toilet.
03:23I'm not doing that for Jah.
03:26It ain't worth it.
03:27You can't just say it with that tone and that make it okay,
03:29because you just...
03:30Jah.
03:31I'm not doing it.
03:32You're making it very dismissive.
03:33I don't appreciate it.
03:33I am.
03:35You...
03:35See,
03:36here's what I hate about you.
03:40You'll say this,
03:41and then we'll get Jah,
03:44and in two years,
03:45all the things we fear would happen,
03:48and you'll just move on.
03:52I'll just move on.
03:53You'll just move on.
03:54I'm not going to move on.
03:55Took a swing.
03:56Yeah.
03:56Didn't work.
03:57That's okay.
03:58Yeah,
03:58but no,
03:59here.
04:03I'll use an example that we're all familiar with.
04:08It's essentially the package you would have given up for Dame.
04:09At the time,
04:11okay,
04:12at the time when Deshaun Watson was available,
04:19and the Browns moved heaven and earth to get him,
04:23everybody was excited.
04:24We got our quarterback.
04:26Right?
04:27They put all the other stuff aside.
04:29Then he got suspended.
04:31Oh,
04:31don't worry about it.
04:32Sit out.
04:33Be ready to go next year.
04:34Then he got hurt,
04:35and now everybody's fed up with it,
04:38but at the time,
04:41with all of the issues going on,
04:45there were a number of teams
04:47that would have given Deshaun Watson
04:50whatever he wanted to go there.
04:52Not that kind of contract,
04:53though.
04:54Well,
04:54that's what you have to do in your Cleveland
04:55to get him not to get on the plane.
04:57That's the reality of it.
04:59So,
05:00the amount doesn't matter.
05:02What matters is you were willing to go there.
05:05Right?
05:06And it didn't work out.
05:08Now everybody's like,
05:09the Browns,
05:10they ruined it,
05:11they did this,
05:11or whatever.
05:13That's how I feel when you talk about these things.
05:17Like,
05:18you don't care about the downfall.
05:20You just want
05:22the porn hack at it.
05:25I would appreciate a porn hack every now and then.
05:28I'm getting a little sick of check swings.
05:30I'm okay,
05:30right?
05:31And I agree with you.
05:33But you still got to be smart about it.
05:36Okay?
05:37Listen,
05:38I would move heaven and earth for Giannis.
05:41Okay.
05:41You know what you're getting.
05:43There is no investment that is not worth it.
05:47Any other guy that you would talk about
05:50KD is another one on a lesser tier.
05:54Okay.
05:54You know what you're getting.
05:56You know what you can do to build
05:59and get your team together.
06:00But you're not in a position where,
06:02you're not in a position where.
06:03But that doesn't mean you got to settle.
06:05Well,
06:05I don't think it's settling.
06:06It is.
06:07How is it settling?
06:08Because you're moving
06:09two of your young guys
06:11for a guy that.
06:13Three of them.
06:14Three of them.
06:15For a guy that you're still saying,
06:18I hope he turn it around.
06:21Well,
06:21you turn it around in the sense of like,
06:23you hope he's more mature.
06:25But.
06:25And what has given you that.
06:26From his production level?
06:28He's been a.
06:28He's been a.
06:29He's been a producer every year
06:31that he's been healthy.
06:33That's the other thing.
06:33We even talk about his health.
06:35Okay.
06:35What has he done.
06:39In the last two years.
06:41We give you an indication.
06:44That.
06:44Oh.
06:45He's matured now.
06:47Nothing.
06:50Just some finger guns.
06:51Can we grow up a little bit?
06:52What about the Molotov cocktail?
06:55It's a grenade.
06:56Let's.
06:57Let's.
06:57Let's be.
06:57Okay.
06:57He didn't go.
07:00Let's let.
07:01You're adding on to it.
07:02You're adding on to it.
07:03I'm not adding on to it.
07:05What am I giving up?
07:05Sometimes I have to exaggerate.
07:07Just so you'll get.
07:09A little understanding of what's going on.
07:11Think about it like this.
07:12The only sport.
07:14What?
07:14In the world where you practice against one another.
07:17In warm ups.
07:18That is strange.
07:19Yeah.
07:19That is strange.
07:20This isn't the.
07:20This isn't the match.
07:22No.
07:22I didn't even know they do that.
07:23No.
07:23They go out and hit balls with each other.
07:25Then they hit a couple of serves.
07:26And then they play.
07:29Here's the thing.
07:30Right.
07:31This team.
07:3237 wins.
07:34What are you losing?
07:35What's the loss, baby?
07:37Jaime Hock is out of the rotation.
07:39Pella.
07:40Nice player.
07:41Now you're trying.
07:41Now you're trying to justify.
07:42I'm not justifying.
07:43I think these are the discussions.
07:46If you and I are Andy and Pat.
07:47Right.
07:48Yeah.
07:48All right.
07:49Go.
07:49Go.
07:50Who am I?
07:50Who am I?
07:51You can be Pat.
07:52Is Pat the responsible one?
07:54That's a good question.
07:55I don't know.
07:56Hey, Pat.
07:58You're the responsible one?
08:00Because I don't think.
08:01I don't think.
08:02I don't think the Heat have a Wiley Coyote just float around.
08:06That's what they need me for.
08:07They just go around and say, Pat, hear me out.
08:10I think I should be Pat's ideas guy.
08:13No.
08:13You bring me in.
08:15He's retired tomorrow.
08:16No, I don't think you would.
08:17You'd be like, I like that guy.
08:18You're the worst.
08:19I'm sitting right next to you and you drive me crazy.
08:22I think you'd even go to Tim Donovan and be like, you know that guy who always asks
08:24the questions that we have to put out statements for?
08:26Bring him in.
08:27Let's see if he wants to be a consultant of fun.
08:30So, so, so, I, what does John make?
08:35What's his contract?
08:36A bazillion dollars.
08:38Maybe.
08:4045, 50.
08:43Contract for John Morant.
08:46Extension eligible.
08:49And he's extension eligible.
08:51So he's getting traded.
08:52Let's see.
08:55Here we go.
08:56John Morant.
08:58Not too bad.
09:01Maybe not nothing.
09:0240 this year.
09:0442 the year after that.
09:05And 44 the year after that.
09:07It's not too bad.
09:08It doesn't work out.
09:10Wipe your hands.
09:11Wipe your hands of 120 million.
09:13It doesn't work out.
09:14Someone's going to want John.
09:15Oh my goodness.
09:16We'll always be able to find a taker.
09:18All right.
09:19So.
09:20Oh, what about this?
09:21Okay.
09:21You get in John.
09:22Okay.
09:23Here we go.
09:23Here we go.
09:24Here we go.
09:26You bring in Ja.
09:27Now you got a guy that everybody will talk into too.
09:30So let's just say that he can revamp him a little bit.
09:33And then all of a sudden, Luca becomes available.
09:36And then you flip Ja for Luca.
09:38And that just, you just got that all planned out.
09:41Like, you think if it doesn't work here for Ja, that somebody going to trade Luca for Ja?
09:46Are you out of your mind?
09:48Flip this whale.
09:49Oh my goodness.
09:51Why?
09:52Can I just?
09:55Sometimes I feel like I'm doing a show with Rebecca.
09:58Sikronos says, Tobin only sees the upside.
10:00He's not considering the risks nearly enough.
10:02No, exactly.
10:05Not to mention geographically where we are in the city of Miami and how much trouble he really can get into here.
10:11We've already, we've already reviewed the Askron.
10:13Does he like to go pew pew?
10:14What's the big problem?
10:18He doesn't seem to have a social life that gets out of hand.
10:22That's, that's more Zion.
10:23He's not in, in a club, like with a pew pew.
10:27Hmm.
10:27Was he in a club with a pew pew?
10:29Yeah.
10:29Yeah, he was.
10:30He did everything but do what the wire receiver did from New York.
10:33Is that frowned upon here?
10:36How often do you see videos of Tyler Hero and Bam Adebayo at a club with a gun?
10:40They're good boys.
10:41They wouldn't do that.
10:41I know.
10:42So what was his name?
10:43Who was the, uh.
10:44Tyler Hero did.
10:45Who was the wire receiver that shot himself in the leg?
10:47Plaxico Burris.
10:47Plaxico Burris.
10:49Tyler Hero did cause an accident at Wynwood.
10:51Well, that's because some chick hunted him down.
10:54It wasn't because of him.
10:56Caused chaos.
10:57So anyway, dude, like.
11:03Why do you do this?
11:04Wailing and dealing, dude.
11:06No.
11:06Come on, man.
11:09Dude.
11:14305 Maniac.
11:15John Zion do not need South Beach in their lives.
11:19Send them to Orlando.
11:20They need Disney.
11:21I would be more worried about Zion off the court down here than I would, Ja.
11:25You're crazy.
11:27I would.
11:28You're crazy.
11:28You mean like Zion does not look like he can get hands on him.
11:31We have a lot of fitness models here.
11:31I see him sitting at the club with some honeys and empanadas.
11:38He's in good shape.
11:40Well, like I told you, like when guys first get into all leagues, they haven't gotten their
11:45their man bodies yet.
11:47Right.
11:47So they look like that freshman 15.
11:50So yeah, like I wasn't worried about that.
11:54That's not what I'm worried about.
11:55Okay.
11:56You took.
11:59And pick the two guys to go after.
12:02That either hurt or in some kind of trouble.
12:04Like, we've had enough of that.
12:09You need somebody.
12:10We haven't had enough of that.
12:11You need somebody who's dependable and may not be as good as those guys, but you can
12:18depend on them from night to night.
12:21I just, I just like, yeah.
12:23Stop playing the same old game.
12:25I don't think this is the same old game.
12:27Really?
12:28Yeah.
12:28I think you're playing the same old game.
12:32What same old game?
12:33You just want status quo.
12:35I don't want status quo.
12:37What do you want?
12:37I'm just saying that before you start mortgaging your future, before you start.
12:43It's the thing that you're not really mortgaging the future.
12:45One pick.
12:47What about the players?
12:50What?
12:50I mean, like, listen, one's an NBA correspondent in the finals.
12:53Okay.
12:57So Jaime has been in the NBA for two years.
13:04And he had a bad year his second year.
13:08He did.
13:09For whatever reason, he had year-long bubble guts.
13:12Yeah.
13:13And you are ready to just, he's no good to us.
13:19Like, what is your time frame on development?
13:21He gets, if he gets.
13:22What is your time frame on development?
13:23What do you mean?
13:25He's been in the league two years.
13:26He's 27.
13:27So what?
13:28What is that?
13:28I don't care how old you are.
13:30You don't?
13:31So you're, wait, let me get this straight.
13:34So, if he were in his second year, but he was 21, you'd feel differently?
13:41Absolutely.
13:42Like, I'd feel different about where Jovich is at than where you would feel Jaime's at.
13:46Why wouldn't you?
13:48Because experience at the next level has nothing to do with your age.
13:53It has to do with your experience.
13:54Yeah, but like, if there's, if there's growth physically and there's growth with, with maturity,
14:00like, that's usually going to be more settled by the age that we always say, like, when's
14:05the peak of a player?
14:0726, 27?
14:08Well, that's because this is sixth or seventh year in the NBA.
14:11Yeah.
14:12Well, dude, come on.
14:14What do you think he's going to be?
14:15I don't know.
14:16I'm not, I'm just saying that for the purposes of arguing with you because you always, you
14:23dismiss players so quickly.
14:25So you just want to argue with me, though?
14:26No!
14:27I'm just saying that you are so ready to dismiss a second-year player, I don't care how old
14:33he is.
14:33Okay, I'm not dismissing a second-year player.
14:35I'm talking about trading for an all-star, multiple-time all-star, for a guy who wasn't
14:42in the rotation last year.
14:44Yeah.
14:45So, if you know that, you think they know that?
14:52Make up your mind, dude.
14:53Do you think he's going to be good or not?
14:54Who?
14:55You.
14:56Think Jaime?
14:56Yeah.
14:57Make up your mind.
14:58I think I would look at him as of right now.
15:01I would put him in the same ilk as Precious.
15:06Okay.
15:07Right?
15:08Like, he may play a long time, but he's going to be a role guy.
15:13He's got to develop his shot.
15:15But, yeah.
15:17I look at him the same way I look at Precious.
15:19Not Jovich, though.
15:21Jovich would hurt to give away.
15:23He's definitely the player in this that I feel like stings the most.
15:26So, let's think about this.
15:28Okay.
15:31So, if I could get Kevin Durant or I could get Ja,
15:40with what you would have to do to get either player,
15:44who would have the most impact on this team?
15:51Depends, because you might have to give up where to get KD.
15:55I said all things being equal.
15:57They're not going to be equal.
15:58You need to grow up.
15:59That's why I was intrigued with the Ja trade in the first place.
16:05That was proposed, because it wasn't that tough a trade.
16:07I was like, oh, it's kind of a palatable trade.
16:09Yeah.
16:10If he plays and he doesn't get in trouble.
16:13Okay.
16:13Yes.
16:14Obviously.
16:15Like, at what point?
16:16No.
16:16No, no, no.
16:17Let me ask you.
16:17Just like.
16:19Just like.
16:19How about you grow up and just give me.
16:20How about just as a basketball player?
16:22I'm guaranteeing you.
16:24Good job, Morant.
16:26He's going to behave.
16:27He's a changed guy.
16:28Four years.
16:29Four years.
16:29Three years.
16:30Three years.
16:30Four.
16:31Three years.
16:31What I just offered in the trade.
16:34I'm talking about what I offered in the trade was a pick, a swap.
16:39Wiggins, Jaime, Nico Pella.
16:44We got to take a break.
16:45You sit on it.