00:00Another topic, Mr. President.
00:02GARMA received an affidavit and he said that there is a double model with three levels of payments.
00:11He said in his affidavit, the first suspect is killed.
00:16He is being paid Php 20,000 to Php 1,000,000.
00:20At the second level, he said, the co-planned, the planned operation.
00:27At the third level, he said, the refund of operational expenses.
00:32Is this what Col. Garma is saying?
00:37That he is being paid Php 20,000 to Php 1,000,000 to the victims.
00:42Which, by the way, corroborated by the testimony of Tata and Andy, is true?
00:47Correct.
00:50So, the victims are being paid Php 20,000 to Php 1,000,000?
00:54No, sir. It's like this.
00:56No, that's my question, Mr. President.
00:58No, it's like this.
00:59Yes, sir.
01:00This is my answer.
01:01Yes, sir.
01:02The police operation, the police knows all of that.
01:08I am funding that.
01:10Or this, for a particular project.
01:14If they accomplish that, sir, the police officer or the lead officer will say,
01:24Sir, there's a lot of people who didn't accomplish that.
01:27That's not it.
01:29For the boys.
01:31That's it, sir.
01:32Okay, sir.
01:33Mr. President, in some interviews you have mentioned that, and you have spoken about the reward system.
01:38And you said, dead or alive.
01:40Dead is better.
01:42Alive is okay.
01:43Correct.
01:44Yes, so it means that it's better for you if you die.
01:48It's better if I die, sir.
01:50And that's the reason why we are trying to encourage our citizens to kill all those addicts.
01:59No, not addicts.
02:01To kill the criminals.
02:03Not addicts because addicts are victims of the criminals running the drug syndicates.
02:13Malayan, sir. Malayan.
02:15Mr. President, there is a report that you spoke about on July 1, 2016, that was covered by the Guardian.
02:26And you said here, if you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself.
02:31As getting their parents to do it would be too painful.
02:35I am talking of the drug manufacturers and drug dealers.
02:41That is a...
02:44So this is wrong?
02:45I don't know who wrote it.
02:46I am not bound by it, sir.
02:49It's not my job.
02:51Get it from my mouth.
02:53Because I was the one...
02:54What is this, Mr. President?
02:56This is a live interview.
02:58I really said it, but it's not right.
03:01It's in the video, Mr. President.
03:03I said it's not addicts, I said drug dealers and drug, sir.
03:08Why do you want to kill the addicts?
03:10Bring them to the hospital.
03:16It's common sense.
03:20The policy of our government is neutralization.
03:25Illegal drug personalities nationwide need to be neutralized.
03:31And as a matter of fact, this was issued by the Member of the House of Representatives in 2016.
03:37And according to General Gamboa, when I heard it in the Senate,
03:41he said this is confidential.
03:43And only the commanders know about it.
03:46As a matter of fact, you said the DDS chief of PNP is a commander.
03:52Why did he become confidential, Mr. President?
03:55Again, sir, what's your question?
03:57Why was the order of negation and neutralization of all those personalities in illegal drugs confidential?
04:07It's standard, sir.
04:09It's standard.
04:11The police didn't ask for it.
04:13If there is a directive, it is confidential.
04:17And if there is a list, it cannot be made public.
04:21It's not even shown to anybody.
04:28Because, Mr. President, if there is negation and neutralization,
04:31we know that according to Chairman Abante during our discussion,
04:36the meaning of negation is to kill, neutralize, kill.
04:40So, is there really an intent to hide this and make it confidential
04:47in order of the lower ranks of our police that doesn't know about your directive?
04:52I will admit that my order is to kill drug manufacturers and big time drug distribution.
05:07I will not deny it.
05:12And if I am re-elected as Mayor, I will double that.
05:18And I want to make it clear, Mr. President, Mr. Chairman,
05:22that during the time of our former President Rodrigo Roa Duterte,
05:29we have 210,000 policemen.
05:33And during that time, if you look at the mathematical computation,
05:38if ever we have 20,000 killed during that time,
05:42if we have a ratio of 1 is to 1,
05:46we will say that the majority of the members of the PNP
05:52were not involved in the war on drugs.
05:57Would you agree with me with that, Mr. President?
05:59Yes, sir.
06:00There are drug enforcement units.
06:04They are the only ones involved.
06:05Not all policemen, any police department of a city or a province,
06:10are dedicated to the drug operations.
06:15There are units, sir, but not all.
06:18There's anti-smuggling, anti-narcotics, etc.
06:26Thank you, Mr. President.
06:28Mr. Chairman, you were mentioned in the Guardian on July 1, 2016.
06:34And you said here, Mr. President, Mr. Chairman,
06:37during the campaign, you said 100,000 people would die in this crackdown
06:42with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay,
06:45that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them.
06:53And out of that 100,000 that you have mentioned,
06:56the reported deaths are almost 20,000 to 30,000.
07:02So, were you disappointed on this, Mr. President?
07:06Kulang.
07:07Kulang.
07:08Were you disappointed that it's only 20,000 to 30,000?
07:14Sir, if you will let me go back as President,
07:17I will make up for the lack of...
07:25The families are pitiful, Mr. President.
07:29Actually, there are many dead bodies that were not given justice.
07:34And I think this is not a laughing matter, Mr. Chairman.
07:37This is my message, sir.
07:38Yes.
07:39If you are involved in drugs, if you are involved in crime, that's you.
07:43That's you.
07:44Yes, but, Mr. President, you manifested.
07:48And they heard me say that do not do it because I will kill you.
07:55Yes, but you manifested.
07:57I understand.
07:58You manifested a while ago that those that were killed during the war on drugs
08:02were not all addicts and high-budget targets.
08:07That would be a matter of mathematical, sir.
08:15Not all of them.
08:16You're right.
08:18You're right.
08:19It could not have been all drug addicts or even connected with drugs.
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