00:00Across to my colleague, Anisha, who's joining us for the very latest.
00:04Anisha, you know, it's quite inexplicable on how both Ashutosh Ranka and Swarovdas find themselves for at least, at least,
00:12and one needs to underline that, for another two days in judicial custody.
00:17Well, yes, Preeti, this is a question that will have to be asked.
00:20Of course, we just heard from the CJP's own lawyers about what has been said in the court.
00:26We are still waiting for the copy of the written...
00:29Stay with me, Anisha, just stay with me. I'm coming right back to you.
00:31The reason I'm cutting you short is, joining me is Mr. Anish Gawande.
00:36Of course, he's from NCP Sharad Pawar, but he's been an active part in terms of protest of the CJP.
00:42Dear friends, with Abhiji Deepke and both Swarov as well as Ashutosh.
00:48Thank you, Mr. Gawande, for joining us.
00:50But, Anish, what do you make two more days that both Ashutosh and Swarov will now have to spend in
00:57judicial custody?
00:59I mean, I think it's absolutely unfortunate.
01:01The government is asking for more time at the last moment, at 7 p.m., before the Sehra,
01:08at a moment where these two young men have spent five days in Tihag for waving the tiranga.
01:19Anish, have you been able to speak to Abhiji? What would be the next course of action for the CJP
01:24from here on?
01:25Because this is at least for two days. It could very well be extended.
01:29I have not spoken to Abhiji yet. I honestly am waiting for an order from the court.
01:35I think I still have faith currently that the court will deliver justice.
01:39This is an unjust order. It's done with very petty politics in mind because tomorrow the courts are shut and
01:46they will be shut for a while.
01:48And so, I mean, the peckiness of the government is coming through.
01:51Frankly, Ashutosh and Swarov went in smiling. They will resist smilingly.
01:55How long do you want to keep people in jail? I mean, you look stupid because of it.
02:00What's the messaging, Anish, especially for the Cockroach Janata Party?
02:03Because now they're seemingly with two of your top, or not your, rather.
02:08All right, I seem to have. Anish, are you still with us?
02:12All right, Anish, you know, with two top leadership in terms of two of the top leadership of the CJP,
02:18now in Tihar jail, Abhiji back in Maharashtra.
02:21Do you think this is a huge setback for the CJP or there is a chilling effect?
02:28All right, we seem to have lost Anish. We're going to try and cut across to him.
02:31I want to bring back Anisha into this conversation.
02:34Anisha, what explains, you know, the fact of a two-day extension for both Saurav and Ashutosh,
02:41provided there is no FIR in it, provided it was, you know, preventive custody?
02:46Usually one gets bailed the same day. You've kept them for five days.
02:49Can you explain it for our viewers?
02:50Well, Preeti, this is something that as we've been listening to the CJP lawyers,
02:56we'll have to wait also for the detailed written order from the SEM.
03:00Because I've also been speaking to lawyers over the last few days.
03:03And as you said, it is inexplicable.
03:06It is, in fact, something that in the years that I've been covering courts,
03:10I've never actually heard of anybody going to be sent to judicial custody
03:15for breaking this kind of a bond under Section 130.
03:19Remember, Section 130 allows a magistrate to pass certain orders to bound down somebody
03:27so that they do not break the law again.
03:30That is what these procedures are supposed to be.
03:32But here what we are seeing is that these two persons,
03:35Saurav Das and Ashutosh Ranka, have been sent to judicial custody.
03:40Not just, and today the judicial custody has been extended.
03:43And as far as we can tell from what the lawyers for the CJP have told us,
03:47because the government expressed certain apprehension that they may again break the law.
03:53Now, I am citing here a judgment of the Allahabad High Court,
03:57where the court has said that the magistrate has to apply their mind carefully,
04:05that there has to be a proper,
04:09before any appropriate action can be taken under 130, 135 of the BNS.
04:15And you have to look into the facts of the matter.
04:18There cannot be mechanical extension of orders under 130.
04:22This is something that the Allahabad High Court said in 2024,
04:28soon after the BNS came in.
04:30The questions that need to be asked is,
04:32what is this apprehension?
04:34And more importantly, as the lawyers were arguing,
04:36these people are not under arrest in an FIR.
04:39They are under preventive detention,
04:43not under the NSA, but under the BNS,
04:46which is supposed to be for specific timing,
04:50specific purpose,
04:52that the police has to explain in writing.
04:54So right now,
04:55a really serious question needs to be asked about why this is being extended.
04:59And more importantly,
05:01will the courts now step in?
05:03Because as the lawyers have been saying,
05:05they want to go to the High Court.
05:06We'll have to wait and see how the Delhi High Court sees this entire sequence of events.
05:11Back to you.
05:11All right, Anisha, thank you for joining us.
05:13Cutting back for a quick comment to Anish Gawande,
05:16who continues to be with us.
05:17Anish, you know, is this a chilling effect?
05:20And if so,
05:21does the CJP find itself on the back foot,
05:23keeping in mind the top leadership,
05:25two of the top leadership behind bars,
05:27Abhijit back in Maharashtra?
05:31Honestly, I think this will not have a chilling effect.
05:34We thought that the police brutality on the 20th would have a chilling effect.
05:37Young people have realized that they're no longer scared of this government.
05:40And they will follow the path of Mahatma Gandhi,
05:43visit peace police.
05:44And the government wants to retaliate on that.
05:46It's a cowardly government whose moral path will be exposed in front of the whole nation.
05:54Appreciate it.
05:54Thank you there.
05:55We're going to keep a keen eye on all developments viewers.
05:58One would really, you know,
05:59think it legally,
06:00it sounds a tad bit absurd
06:02that both Ashutosh and Saurav find themselves with extended judicial custody,
06:08which could be extended again in the next two days.
06:11What is the attempt of it?
06:12Some would suggest that it is a chilling effect
06:15that the others don't quite follow.
06:17But legally,
06:19lots of people find it incoherent.
06:22We're going to keep a keen eye
06:23and keep caring our viewers the latest on these developments.
