00:00But you know, Anshul, at the same time, if Abhijit Dipke is, we're speaking on October 17th now.
00:07Three days earlier, correct me if I'm wrong, is when Saurav Das and Ranka were, in fact, Ashutosh Ranka were
00:14sent into the five-day judicial custody.
00:16So then, there is a lot of developments coming in.
00:20Whether that judicial custody for Das and Ranka will be extended along with Abhijit Dipke also being sent to judicial
00:28custody,
00:28that will also remain to be the question.
00:30Because the protests clearly have not died down even after these people have been taken into distension.
00:37Protesters have still been running to beat Jantramantar, beat Central Delhi, all of these locations, scattered across these locations.
00:44And the movement has continued.
00:50Yes, one thing that needs to be understood is that it's just judicial custody.
00:54It's not a police custody, which means that the people are not in the custody of police.
00:59They have already been sent to jail.
01:01In general criminal cases, what happens when a person is sent to judicial custody,
01:07that actually means that the investigators have done away with their investigation or the part of the investigation that required
01:12their inputs.
01:13But in this case, since they have been sent for judicial custody,
01:16it is probably the easiest thing to go ahead and apply for bail of Saurabh Das and Ashutosh Ranka.
01:21And these are all bailable charges.
01:23These are not criminal charges that have been pressed against them.
01:25So, it is actually very, legally speaking, it is very easy to secure bail.
01:30So, completing the five-day judicial custody is in itself a surprise
01:34because the lawyers of the Kaukera Chanta Party could have easily moved the courts
01:37and they could have easily sought bail for both Saurabh Das and Ashutosh Ranka.
01:42Even today, if Abhiji Dipke is sent to judicial custody,
01:45then bail becomes the right of Abhiji Dipke.
01:48So, immediately after that as well, within the next few hours,
01:52if the legal team feels it's the right way to go ahead,
01:55they can also apply for bail for Dipke as well
01:57and he could be allowed to walk out freely within the next few hours
02:01or probably in the next 24 hours itself.
02:03But will that happen?
02:04That is something that remains to be seen
02:05because the manner in which the CGP has not gotten their other leaders out on bail
02:10definitely seems like there is a larger strategy that is in plan over here.
02:15So, it remains to be seen if at all, after the five-day custody that will end,
02:19it is very unlikely that the custody would be extended
02:22because in such cases where there is not even a proper crime per se.
02:28So, the extent of judicial custody will not be extended by any imagination.
02:34By the rule of law.
02:34So, it is likely that after the five-day custody comes to an end,
02:37they will be allowed to let out naturally by the rule of law
02:40and by the powers that has been given to the executive magistrate as well.
02:45But yes, the larger question that remains,
02:47why hasn't bail been applied till now?
02:49And if at all Dipke is sent to jail,
02:50will the Kokrujanta Party actually try to secure bail for Abhiji Dipke as well?
02:55So, Anshul, one may actually look at this as perhaps,
02:59and as you have yourself mentioned,
03:02going by the legal stance here,
03:04these are all bailable offences.
03:06So, at this given point, the fact that an Ashutosh Ranka and a Sauravdas
03:10continue to be in custody
03:12is perhaps then more of a symbolic move on their part as well
03:17because there is strategies going on and ahead on every end.
03:21We, the political parties, even though they have called for a halt
03:25in the protests in the National Capital till the Sera,
03:28we still see them issuing statements,
03:30we still see them in smaller numbers at this given point
03:34across the National Capital gathering.
03:36So, there is a lot that continues to happen
03:38even when the protests are at a halt from their end.
03:41So, for the CJP leaders,
03:43perhaps at this given point,
03:44there is a bigger symbolic message
03:46that they can send from custody
03:48instead of bailing themselves out.
03:53Well, definitely, the CJP has laid up this entire issue
03:56and remember, the line that has been taken
03:59or the allegation that has come forth
04:01from the side of the Cockroachanta Party
04:02is that Sauravdas and Ashutosh Ranka
04:06were arrested for waving the national flag
04:08and it is on that line that their protest has gone ahead.
04:10In fact, yesterday, the march that was called,
04:12again, was called specifically to,
04:16specifically to actually hoist the Indian flag.
04:20But remember, the issue that they had started with
04:24initially was the resignation of Yanesh Kumar
04:27but slowly that has shifted to the waving of flag
04:30or unfurling of the national flag.
04:32So, definitely, there is a lot at play.
04:34There is a lot more that meets the eye
04:36at this point in time.
04:37A lot of strategy, a lot of thinking
04:39is going into each and every step
04:41that is being taken
04:42because, as I mentioned,
04:44if we speak logically,
04:46if we look at things logically
04:48from a neutral standpoint,
04:50definitely, if there was anyone else
04:53who had gone inside the jail
04:56or would have been sent to judicial custody
04:57for the charges that have been pressed
04:58against Sauravdas and Ashutosh Ranka,
05:02then definitely that person
05:03would have gotten out on bail
05:05within a matter of hours
05:06or probably in a matter of 24 hours.
05:09But in this case,
05:09the CGP has not decided to go ahead
05:12and take that step
05:12which definitely shows
05:13that there is a larger strategy at play.
05:17This is a war of optics.
05:19This is a war of narrative
05:23that is being fought.
05:24We have spoken about it
05:26as to how the Delhi police
05:27is also trying to build a narrative
05:28for themselves,
05:29how the CGP is also trying
05:30to build a narrative.
05:31So, a war of narrative,
05:32a war on social media
05:33is something that is happening
05:34and that could be one of the
05:35strategies as to what has been utilised
05:38by the Kokhrun Janta Party
05:39and that could be speculated upon as well.
05:43Absolutely, Anshul.
05:44So, coming back to Deepke,
05:47if indeed he is sent
05:48to judicial custody today
05:50like his other co-conveners,
05:52what's the time period,
05:54the exhaustive time period
05:56in this case
05:56that he could actually
05:57be sent in for?
05:59And, again,
06:01will he also be perhaps
06:02sent to Tihar itself?
06:08Well, yes,
06:09the maximum sentence
06:10or the maximum duration
06:12at one go
06:14on which a person
06:15could be sent
06:15in judicial custody
06:16is 14 days,
06:17two weeks.
06:17But, in different cases,
06:19the Delhi Police
06:20sees that
06:21as on a case-to-case basis.
06:23So, if at all,
06:24they think
06:24that a two-day,
06:26three-day judicial custody
06:27would be enough
06:27as Abhiji Dipke would be
06:29kept bound down,
06:30he would remain
06:31inside the jail
06:31and by that point,
06:32the protests might subside
06:34and the situation
06:34might get back to normal.
06:35So, yes,
06:36it is now
06:37the entire peregrative
06:37of the Delhi Police.
06:38If at all,
06:39they feel
06:40they can get
06:41the maximum custody
06:42of 14 days
06:43or they can ask
06:44the court to send
06:46Abhiji Dipke
06:46to judicial custody
06:48for a maximum period
06:49of 14 days
06:50at one go
06:50and that is something
06:51that could be done.
06:52That is the exhaustive limit
06:54which is in their hands.
06:55But, yes,
06:55the Delhi Police
06:56will take a decision
06:57based on this entire case
06:58as to in how many days
06:59they feel
06:59that if at all
07:00Abhiji Dipke
07:01is not on these streets
07:02then probably
07:02the law and order situation
07:04and the protests
07:04could subside
07:05in the New Delhi area.
07:06So, that is their decision.
07:08Now, the second question
07:09if at all
07:09he will be sent to Tihar
07:10it is likely
07:11he would be sent
07:12to a jail
07:13but since the admission
07:16into these jails
07:17happen according
07:17to the alphabetical order
07:19so generally
07:20the person
07:21whose name starts with A
07:22actually goes to
07:23the other jail
07:23of New Delhi
07:24that is Mondoley jail
07:25however the jurisdiction
07:26remains within
07:26the Tihar jail itself.
07:28So, technically speaking
07:29he would be shifted
07:30to Mondoley jail
07:31but yes,
07:32it is likely
07:33that he would be sent
07:34to judicial custody
07:34even in the next few minutes itself.
