00:02angel martinez is not exactly a veteran yet i wouldn't say and i'm like man i'd keep going
00:08to angel martinez and a lot of people are like kenny you are dumb and i go well that that
00:13might
00:13be true but i want to keep going back to angel martinez because i think he's part of the future
00:18i i don't believe no disrespect to pd halpin i just don't believe that he's part of our future
00:23as much as nearly not nearly as much as what angel martinez could possibly be
00:27and i want to keep doing that but then we keep going back to the some of the veteran stuff
00:31like
00:32brian rocchio is under 100 hitting uh in this it's not been great for him and i do think that
00:41in the
00:41white socks series he pressed trying to be playoff rocchio postseason rocchio i think here he's trying
00:46to be postseason rocchio i think he's trying to do a lot and he might be trying to do too
00:51much i don't
00:52think it's time though to bench rocchio and put in on hell now i don't like having the conversation
01:00i think austin hedges again is a remarkable defensive catcher i know he's been better with
01:06the stick this year uh you still don't expect him to go up there and be boppers for you or
01:11anything
01:11like that i i got a future manager behind the plate i don't need to overthink it like parker
01:18messick at some point because of the age difference like he's gonna have to get used to a different
01:21catcher he's gonna have to get used to some other people there i i get that but i don't think
01:26that
01:27now's the time to go away and deviate from some of those veterans here because they've waited long
01:34to make very large make larger moves when it comes to the roster when it comes to the lineup
01:40and it's paid off they've let people work their problems out they've they've if they've had to make
01:46a move they made that move but they made that move way later than the fans were ready to make
01:50it
01:50because i do think that it's helped out the culture of the clubhouse i don't think that
01:54i think if they were a lot quicker with some of the times yanking people i don't think we'd be
01:59talking about guardians right now i think we'd just be getting ready for the ravens game
02:03and talking about people being a little bit worried about the calves because they got boat race last
02:07night in their final preseason game but it's preseason so you know i probably wouldn't make
02:10that big of a deal like that's what i think we're doing so i i think we need to be
02:14very careful
02:14because when it's crunch time like this was the tanner bybee thing i i i am forced to believe
02:19that tanner bybee's in his own head because i just don't think they would give up on tanner bybee
02:23as a starting pitcher if he weren't having problems that hopefully he gets figured out before this year
02:29i think the rest of this year is probably a loss for the loss for the most part i i
02:33don't want to just
02:34give up on brian rocchio because well he isn't hitting the ball okay i understand that but he's been
02:41a consummate professional for you here over the last couple of years and has made a lot of people
02:46including myself have to do an about face on what we thought his prospects were going to be
02:50i don't think in these times is the time to go away from veteran presence you know it is it
02:57is tough
02:57because it's not like this team was just some offensive you know that all with all the firepower
03:04was just this incredible lineup until the last week and then in the last week you start looking
03:11around going oh we've got this we've got this we're making them work where other teams are nervous about
03:16pitching to these guys i mentioned nathaniel low and you know adele after the the miserable first
03:22two games in the white socks series then he came alive um you're waiting for rocchio like rocchio has
03:29been a presence in the playoffs and i i still think we'll get rocchio it's all it takes but it's
03:35tough
03:35because you know that's the thing if you start benching guys then you know you mess with the
03:40psyche and it's tough to try to to try to i think it's a game the only reason i'm getting
03:46a little
03:46frustrated i'm not frustrated with you i'm just saying the only reason like we we're always so
03:50quick to bench guys guys this is not we're not the yankees we're not yankees fans like the yankees
03:55they just want everybody bench if they're not doing well okay and if you have that type of a
04:01history and you have that type of a payroll yeah you know what you can go ahead and have that
04:05standard
04:05but it's it's an unrealistic standard in our world and if you do that first off i if you're making
04:12such
04:13quick strong moves i don't trust your manager i think your manager is then making bad decisions
04:17then i also think your front office is making bad decisions because this is another thing remember
04:21the guys who stepped up in game one we had patrick bailey there we had nathaniel lowe there who
04:25started that foster griffin these are trades so give the front office credit as well amazing
04:30these are traded guys they are not here today right now had they not made those trades so i'm not
04:34giving
04:35up on guys that they've selected i'm not giving up on guys that they traded for it is always going
04:41to
04:41be the advantage of the veteran and all it takes is brian rocchio to come up in one moment with
04:47two on
04:47and two out and give me a two run single that's all i need to change the conversation on brian
04:53rocchio
04:53seriously we don't ask jose ramirez things of brian rocchio we don't ask of any hurt we don't ask
05:00chase de lauder things of brian rocchio de lauder's a young player but we ask more out of those guys
05:07rocchio yeah he's got a nickname sometimes it doesn't always go that way and i think he should know that
05:13but i just don't think that now is the time to be given up on guys like i i i
05:18heard the on hell
05:19and now stuff and i i don't think you're making yourself better by getting rid of the veteran
05:26in this moment or benching the veteran in this moment to go with the youth i think that's an
05:31experiment you do during the season if you wanted to do something like that now in the alcs and i
05:36know
05:36once once he couldn't turn that that double play and i i don't know was that more on bazana not
05:42being
05:43able to unload it um quick enough in a combo of that i would think that was tough and then
05:48then
05:48you're looking back because of the way the challenge system works where they can just add on yeah we'll
05:52challenge what happened in second base too and i'm like oh no are we not going to get any of
05:55the outs
05:56here but rocchio was able to drag the foot um then he he was a little high trying to get
06:01speedy with it
06:02i don't know he had also turned you know two others perfectly where they were even complimenting him
06:08on something that i've heard some guardians fans not think he has which is a good enough canon
06:13you know to be able to to make more of those throws i so i i thought he had handled
06:18those
06:19situations well before that yeah and on hell now worries me at the plate as well i mean he that
06:27guy
06:27was chasing balls out of the zone that's why he started to receive less opportunity as the season
06:33went along because you couldn't afford to have him chasing balls six inches above strike exactly is
06:39that the type of guy we want to go to in a pressure pack moment or am i hurting am
06:42i hurting my veteran
06:43presence and then am i hurting a young guy by putting him in a moment that he might not be
06:47ready
06:47for rocchio has a history of stepping up in the playoffs i know it hasn't been there this this year
06:52but exactly there was a reason that he was in the nine hole and it became that second lead off
06:57guy you
06:58know what two seasons ago and he's got the um he had four walk-offs this year i think he
07:04finally
07:04flew one out too i know it's the end of the game um sometimes it can just be something like
07:09that to
07:09break through but he did put one to the warning track at the end i just have way more confidence
07:13in a guy who's been there uh especially and i agree yes hasn't been kicking the ball around the park
07:19on on defense yes i'll keep that guy out there over like if he's scuffling in may let's have a
07:26conversation here let's let's see if we can work some youth in if we were backs against the wall
07:31right now yeah maybe we change up it's a one one series yeah exactly and i i think that some
07:35of us
07:36i i get we're trying to to take a series that we are not favored in we are still i
07:40don't believe
07:40we are still favored and we weren't favored going into last night's game even with parker
07:43on the mound um i understand that we're trying to it almost feels like we're trying to steal one
07:49away from the other team but i don't think that you're making sound decisions by getting rid of
07:54guys or putting away guys who are veterans i think you're probably hurting both sides of the
07:58coin there if you're going with the youth maybe putting a young ball player in a position he's
08:02not ready for or putting a veteran on the bench that he was ready for this position because again
08:08all it takes is one single with one runner in scoring position in a bigger moment to change our
08:15perception of a player in the postseason coming up at 720 todd dairy going to join us on the show
08:20dairy brothers guardians cast how do we retake the lead tomorrow night in game three of the alcs and
08:27i can't tell you how to feel i can tell you how i feel still feel pretty damn good about
08:32him ken
08:32carmen anthony lima take us with you to work on that free odyssey up and i do feel like a
08:37lot of people
08:37are feeling my way and i think i think you're the same way as me uh i'm feeling very confident
08:42still
08:42about the series i'm feeling very optimistic about the series gavin williams is on the mound tomorrow
08:48um the weather will change a little bit it's still supposed to be about a high like the game's a
08:53little earlier in the day uh it's at six o'clock uh today and tomorrow tomorrow um and friday for
08:59that matter uh you have yourself an opportunity to to really take a lead in this series and also
09:05you got three straight games like lima i think this show is firmly on the record that we enjoy a
09:112-2-1-1-1 format i know we like chanting that this is a 2-3-2 format and
09:17considering that we
09:17will have some inclement weather in here over the next uh three days uh well really four days because
09:24today counts but they don't play anybody today i think that's going to help us i i think that
09:29that's going to help our like you guys mentioned the stadium and how it's like man you really got
09:33to play for the rays to know the nooks and crannies of that place especially with the gray ceiling
09:37and all the other stuff uh we'll hear that you will have your advantage um wasn't an advantage
09:43for joe adele's near home run in game two of the alds but still uh you have your you will
09:48have your
09:49certain advantages there and gavin williams is one of them i'm still feeling very good about the
09:53series my confidence is not shaken well after game one going into game two i felt really good i still
09:59feel really good going into game three yeah now we still are underdogs for the rest of the series
10:03i don't know if that's uh i don't think that's going to change yeah well yeah i think even we're
10:07up three one in the series i don't think that's going to change um i wasn't sure i wasn't sure
10:12and
10:12again i i reinforce that there's no part of the rays that terrify me yet and i know that's silly
10:18because at the top of their order gets going with with some power and some slugging then it could
10:23change the way we look at that lineup but you know i was i was talking to a buddy yesterday
10:27and it's like
10:27man from from five to nine in their lineup it's it's not what you would expect for an
10:33alcs team no which to that you could answer well the entire guardians lineup is probably not an alcs
10:38team but when when jose ramirez gets going it changes everything it changes the way you look
10:44at the entire lineup and then obviously delauder has just been just been someone who i think you
10:50are opposing teams are like whoa whoa you know this is protection this is protection for guys like jose
10:56so i still am excited the fact that they did earn their split which is exactly it's the biggest sports
11:01cliche of all time oh you earn your split that's all you came to do it would have been nice
11:05to win
11:06both that does stink and then you know the way that the end of that game uh basically both teams
11:10just
11:11going through the order one two three one two three one two three to end the game it was a
11:14quick one
11:14yesterday so you lick your wounds and you get back home uh have you seen i know we're not doing
11:20an
11:20official market watch but have you seen the prices like god bless those that can afford to go to
11:26these games once they return back to cleveland because even the cheapos or you know after fees
11:32are gonna be well over 200 that's not standing room only standing room only i have not been
11:37dropped yet they they did some early they have a tendency to reopen that late especially you know
11:46depending how the series go they have to work with the fire marshal like all right hey close your eyes
11:52fire marshal they have a guy outside there's a rope and he goes okay we can get two more in
11:56he's
11:57eyeballing it the whole time ah easily 250 more come on get him in here stand there and they keep
12:02saying no not you yeah it's uh it's it is really pricey to go to these games and obviously dress
12:08pretty provocatively enough is john's not mad is he that um yeah you got to get in the club what
12:13are
12:13you gonna do yeah um john's not mad that they've released world series tickets or they will be
12:18releasing world series tickets they haven't released them yet but i'm sure john will be
12:22furious well they had they released him for season ticket holders are you mad about that john john
12:28season ticket holders is fine and arbitrary cut off okay what it's the next series it's okay
12:37oh now when they release alcs tickets when the regular season is still going on it's different
12:42wait a minute wouldn't the season ticket holders believe in the curse the most
12:47he's not prepared to defend this take anymore that's that's just that's fish in a barrel right
12:52there ken what do you mean that's fish in a barrel i don't know what do you know what you
12:56say when
12:57you're beaten yeah i just yeah well that's what i say when i'm beaten in an argument as i say
13:02it's
13:02fish in a barrel no i just take my beating and lose that's what i do john what what are
13:06you saying
13:07i don't think you know what fish in a barrel means do you no i have no idea what it
13:10means you just
13:11say it i don't know what it means you you say a lot of things i don't know what they
13:14mean ken
13:15it's a delicious scandinavian dish yes we will sir you know what i'm gonna go downstairs i'm gonna
13:21get some fish in a barrel for john and during the next break nice some nice fish got some of
13:27the
13:27oh yeah you know and if he and if he doesn't he'll have it for us in the morning guarantee
13:31you that's
13:31the jay difference
