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John and Daniel trace a strange historical path connecting Christian Identity, William Branham, the Latter Rain movement, spiritual warfare, the New Apostolic Reformation, the Seven Mountains mandate, and the modern movement they refer to as "R Unknown." They discuss figures and movements mentioned throughout this history, including Gordon Lindsay, Lauren Cunningham, Ern Baxter, Lance Wallnau, Johnny Enloe, Dutch Sheets, Cindy Jacobs, Sid Roth, Praying Medic, Joseph Smith, and the Full Gospel Businessmen.
The conversation broadens into the relationship between religion and political power, ancient religious worldviews, Constantine, the early church, Gnosticism, Christian nationalism, and the development of exaggerated spiritual narratives. John and Daniel ultimately contrast highly symbolic language about conquering mountains, invisible enemies, and spiritual warfare with a simpler vision of Christian life centered on family, community, work, faith, and communicating in language ordinary people can understand.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:17 The R Unknown Movement and NAR Connections
08:18 Seven Mountains, Christian Identity, and the Conspiracy Ecosystem
11:05 Joseph Smith, Political Religion, and Historical Parallels
15:02 Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Identity
19:18 Reptilian Conspiracies and Christian Identity
24:39 Constantine, Christianity, and Political Power
28:38 Branham, Church History, and Spiritual Warfare
32:05 Apocrypha, Ancient Myths, and the Early Church
37:34 Ancient Spiritual Conflict and Modern NAR Parallels
39:49 Lauren Cunningham and the Seven Mountains Mandate
44:45 Tolkien, Political Power, and Small-Scale Christianity
46:49 Star Trek, Spiritual Metaphors, and Losing the Core Message
51:31 Can Outsiders Understand the Language of the Movement?
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The conversation broadens into the relationship between religion and political power, ancient religious worldviews, Constantine, the early church, Gnosticism, Christian nationalism, and the development of exaggerated spiritual narratives. John and Daniel ultimately contrast highly symbolic language about conquering mountains, invisible enemies, and spiritual warfare with a simpler vision of Christian life centered on family, community, work, faith, and communicating in language ordinary people can understand.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:17 The R Unknown Movement and NAR Connections
08:18 Seven Mountains, Christian Identity, and the Conspiracy Ecosystem
11:05 Joseph Smith, Political Religion, and Historical Parallels
15:02 Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Identity
19:18 Reptilian Conspiracies and Christian Identity
24:39 Constantine, Christianity, and Political Power
28:38 Branham, Church History, and Spiritual Warfare
32:05 Apocrypha, Ancient Myths, and the Early Church
37:34 Ancient Spiritual Conflict and Modern NAR Parallels
39:49 Lauren Cunningham and the Seven Mountains Mandate
44:45 Tolkien, Political Power, and Small-Scale Christianity
46:49 Star Trek, Spiritual Metaphors, and Losing the Core Message
51:31 Can Outsiders Understand the Language of the Movement?
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
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Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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00:31Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research,
00:40and with me I have my very special guest, Daniel Bright.
00:44Daniel, it's good to have you back once again and to talk about this subject that you have
00:49put me into a place that I get back in these corners that it's hard to get out.
00:54Interestingly, Pia Hugo also put me in the same corner.
00:57She wants to talk about political stuff, as do you, and I usually avoid politics at all
01:03costs, but there are some interesting links between politics and history, and if I avoid
01:10them, I'm not really talking about history.
01:12And some of those politics go into this weird, I don't know, conspiracy theory realm.
01:18I actually did talk about this briefly in my book, and interestingly, YouTube blocks it
01:24if I talk about this, so if you're listening to this, there is a group that is anonymous
01:31that their name starts with the letter that comes before R.
01:35So in this podcast, I'm going to call them R, but most people call them the letter before
01:41R.
01:43for the sake of the podcast and for the sake of YouTube and other platforms blocking me.
01:47The problem is, it is history, but these groups have turned very extremist, and because of the
01:53extremism, they try to limit that.
01:56I don't want to focus on the group so much as I do the history that created the group,
02:00and some of that history, which I'll let you introduce what the actual episode is about,
02:06Daniel, but some of that history, you can just trace back through time.
02:09It gets really odd when you do the work to trace the history.
02:14So with that, I'll open the floor to you.
02:17So the group we're talking about today is R Unknown, which we can call them.
02:22They first came about more or less in 2016 during T1, and they ended up participating in
02:29a protest outside a certain capital around January a few years back.
02:33And a lot of people noticed at the time, those with eagle-eyed, or at least owl-eared amongst
02:39us, would have noticed there were some Gnar flags around them.
02:42And when I first heard about this group, R Unknown, I recognised very little about them.
02:49I hadn't come across any of these guys when they said they were meant to be Christians.
02:53So you might have heard the R Unknown shaman, the guy who put a really weird hat on as well
02:57and got arrested inside the big building.
02:59But then after listening to you and reading, well, listening to your book that you'd wrote,
03:05I came across the name Sid Roth, said in that inimitable way that you say it.
03:10And then I realised that there was a guy in the movement called R Unknown, called the Praying Medic.
03:15And he was invited to the R Unknown conference in 2021 or 22, I believe.
03:23All of this was covered by a very brave British journalist who sent in someone else to kind
03:28of infiltrate the group and see what they're about.
03:30Now, this doesn't mean that everyone in R Unknown was involved with in R, but I think
03:35it's very telling that Praying Medic was invited onto Sid Roth's show.
03:41And he was also speaking at the conferences or the, I'm only to get the terminology correct
03:46here, of the full gospel businessman.
03:48And so within that kind of sphere that all of our listeners will be aware about, as soon
03:53as we hear the name Sid Roth, full gospel businessman, we know that's just like Pling.
03:57All of these things mean that he's going to be associated with other people.
04:01He's not associated with Mark Driscoll or John Piper.
04:04You know, these other go-to names.
04:06It was a very specific corner of things.
04:08If Praying Medic was simply an evangelical Christian, we'd see him at the gospel business,
04:14sorry, the full gospel partners trust up in Chicago.
04:17We might see him with the Methodists or the Episcopals.
04:19Or we might see him at Seaview, at a church of Seaworld, one of those big churches down the
04:26south.
04:26But he was associated with a very small corner of Christianity, which we call Branhamism.
04:33And that is the focus of, you know, his background.
04:38That was very much his leanings.
04:39And it doesn't really surprise me that he goes in for all of that, that he was associated
04:43with those kind of people.
04:45I haven't really dug much deeper into our unknown than that, because frankly, all of
04:52their stuff is a bit weird.
04:53But his was the only name who jumped out to me from that conference, who was the most openly
04:59Christian amongst all of them.
05:01And when I had a quick look on Praying Medic's website, it was like a true sort of McDonald's
05:07Big Mac smoothie of terms, which is everything we talk about.
05:10It was just, I can't remember any of the specific ones now, but it was all about vision casting,
05:15mandate, and seven this and five that.
05:17So the terminology he's using is very much rooted in the NAR and the Seven Mountain mandate,
05:25late stage randomism.
05:27It's funny because I do these episodes by myself that is connecting dots, and it helps
05:32people to put together where my head is at when I put out all of this research, because
05:36I'll go down one pathway, I'll publish some facts and random, random associations, and
05:41people will think, what are you talking about, John?
05:42But then when it all comes together, they see the bigger picture.
05:45This actually is one of those episodes of connecting the dots.
05:48And it's probably the first one that I've done with someone, so you get to be the first.
05:53But like I said, I did mention this in my book briefly, because I don't want to talk about
05:59it too much.
05:59People, when you start talking about things that people are talking about as conspiracy
06:03theory, they link you with the conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
06:08I don't want to make that link for myself, but there's a reason why those conspiracy theorists
06:13exist.
06:14And for those of you who are unfamiliar with this area of research, I highly recommend
06:20that you go on YouTube or you can go into the bookstore, look for Andre Gagnier.
06:27Andre Gagnier, he has been actually a guest on my podcast before.
06:31You can watch that episode.
06:33He's the author of American Evangelicals for Trump, Dominion, Spiritual Warfare, and the
06:39End Times.
06:39And for all of the audience who just said, I'm going to shut John off because he said
06:43the word Trump and it was in a critical manner, you can shut the podcast off because we're
06:50going to talk about Trump.
06:51You cannot disconnect these two.
06:54It's part of history.
06:55And I'm just going to put that warning out there if you're a Trump follower or fan.
07:00I'm going to be talking about the actual recorded history and it is highly critical and you can
07:05be highly skeptical because this stuff is nuts.
07:08I'm just going to say it outright, but continue on study Andre Gagnier.
07:14Also go and look at Lance Wall now.
07:17I'm not saying believe what he says, but if you make this connection, what Gagnier brings
07:24is all of the Gnar, Dominionism as it relates to Christian identity, which I'll talk about
07:30in a second.
07:31Lance Wall now.
07:32He is the one who brings the Seven Mountains mandate.
07:35Study Johnny Enloe.
07:37He takes prophecy, Seven Mountains, political interpretation.
07:41He brings all that together.
07:43Study Dutch Sheets, which we've talked about.
07:45I've talked about a few times in the podcast because it's directly related to the history,
07:50but he has this intercession, spiritual warfare stuff that gets into this ecosystem.
07:56Cindy Jacobs, obviously, you can't talk about spiritual warfare and not mention her.
08:01Bring her into this.
08:02But interestingly, bring Michael Flynn in.
08:05When you make this weird combination, you have this entire ecosystem that is talking about
08:11our, our, whatever it was you said, our, our unusual.
08:15I'll say it like that.
08:16Our unusual.
08:17So here is the bridge that you can build by doing all of this.
08:23Lauren, Lauren Cunningham.
08:25I actually just recorded a podcast earlier today.
08:29It'll come out.
08:30I can't remember if it comes out before this one or after this one, but Lauren Cunningham
08:34is holding a revival meeting with Earn Baxter, who was William Branham's campaign manager.
08:41So this is a significant connection.
08:44Baxter is one of the five heads of the shepherding movement.
08:48Well, Cunningham is part of the Seven Mountains mandate crew, and he's building this big bridge
08:54to Seven Mountains worldwide through Youth with a Mission.
08:58So think Lauren Cunningham, then think Seven Spheres, think Lance Wall now, go to the Seven
09:04Mountains, and then to Gnar Political Spiritual Warfare.
09:08Once you connect all of that bridge on both ends of it, you have elements of Christian
09:15identity, which I do cover that in my book.
09:17But think about the things that these people believe, like the lizard people.
09:22Seriously, I can't believe that I have to say this on a podcast, but there are Christians
09:27who believe in the lizard people.
09:30And think about Christian identity, the belief that there is two races of people on the earth
09:37today, good and evil, and we can't detect them.
09:40Well, that's part of the framework for this R group.
09:43And to make it even wilder and crazier, if you go to Charisma Magazine, which is the big
09:50charismatic publication, just type in Katie Sousa.
09:54And look at the weird stuff she's publishing, like Outer Space Invasion, the Star Gods.
10:00There's all kinds of weird stuff.
10:02It's been mentioned forever.
10:04And people look at that and they think, well, that's crazy and that's extreme.
10:08Look where they've headed.
10:10But it's not that they've headed.
10:11They've always been like this.
10:13You go back to the beginning of the revivals and you've got Gordon Lindsay who's publishing
10:17The UFOs Are Coming.
10:18The UFOs Are Coming.
10:20And you can follow that trail throughout history.
10:22They've always had this connection between the outer space realm, the political realm,
10:30the we want to take dominion and we're going to do it through spiritual warfare realm, and
10:34there's a hidden enemy among us.
10:36So when you combine all of those elements of history, which we'll talk through today, you
10:41have the recipe for R.
10:44Yeah.
10:45R unknown.
10:47Yeah.
10:47I think it must be quite difficult for you to sort of remember these great-grandchildren
10:52and great-great-grandchildren of William Branham.
10:55But once you realize how closely associated these people are, it's not guilt by association.
11:01It's guilt by involvement.
11:04Deeply involved and deeply intertwined with each other.
11:07And I think what works best is examining what's happening now in light of what came before.
11:14And a very good example of what's happening now is going way back to biblical times, which
11:19is the early 19th century in upstate New York, with a young man called Joseph Smith.
11:24He did all of this before.
11:26And you might think, Joseph Smith, where did he get all this wacky stuff from?
11:30A lot of weird stuff was going on in New England and indeed New Canada or New Brunswick and all
11:38of that.
11:38And so he was influenced by a lot of weird stuff.
11:41A book which I recommend a lot of people read was written by a woman called, I can't remember
11:48her name now, but it's No Man Knows Mine History.
11:50It was written in the 1950s by a mother of five in her late 20s.
11:55And somehow she managed to go around doing the kind of research that would put you to
11:59shame, John, because this was all before the internet.
12:02So she was going around, you know, finding newspaper articles in libraries and saying,
12:07what did people say about Joseph Smith at the time?
12:10Who was he associating with?
12:11Who was he talking to?
12:12And he was talking to a sort of communist cult that was going on in New Brunswick and that
12:17influenced him.
12:18And eventually Joseph Smith's ideas led to him wanting to form a political movement in
12:25Missouri and them getting defeated by the local militia.
12:30And these things are crazy.
12:32And people might think, huh, that sounds familiar to something which happened a few Januaries ago.
12:37Yes, but we can only talk about that in a sort of circumventual way.
12:41And what happens with these movements is that they tend to start with really wacky ideas that
12:49Joseph Smith also preached that not the lizard people, but he said there was that it was the
12:53serpent seed.
12:54It was all the way back there with Joseph Smith that you had the Adams race were the one third.
12:59No, sorry, not Adams race.
13:01There was the one third that were fallen from Satan.
13:03And that was how he said, well, the not necessarily the black people, but there were two races of
13:09weirdo Indians and all of it was made up in North America.
13:12It sounds a bit silly, but the serpent seed was present there with Joseph Smith.
13:18And it all went towards wanting political power ultimately.
13:22And Mr. T, so no one gets offended by the real word, is not the author of all of this.
13:30He's become the kind of talisman, the person to rally around, the great Wi-Fi router that
13:35everyone's connected to, and forces have gathered around him, which, yeah, as you say, believes
13:42in lizards.
13:43A very strange sidestep there is that the current sister to the king of Norway, because the
13:51king of Norway just died last week, the new king is Horkum VIII.
13:55His sister is married to a shaman who believes himself to be a lizard, or at least half lizard.
14:01Hmm.
14:01So if you think the British royal family's got problems, the Norwegian royal family is
14:05odd.
14:06And so this lizard belief, I haven't particularly looked into the king's brother-in-law's beliefs,
14:14but I'm inclined to suspect that it might have been influenced by charisma and these sort
14:21of people.
14:21So they're present everywhere.
14:22And I know some people have said in the comments, and people at church have said to me, what qualifies
14:27me to talk about YWAM and all of these things.
14:29Just a quick recap.
14:31My church is full of YWAM people.
14:33It's got the deputy of YWAM Norway is at my church.
14:36The head of YWAM Norway is often at my church.
14:39His daughters go to a nearby church.
14:41And the son of YWAM Norway, the former one, is at my church.
14:45It's an extremely heavily YWAM church.
14:47I haven't been in.
14:48I'm just kind of like the pundit who stands watching by, just going, goodness me, I'm glad
14:53that doesn't happen to me, and I hope that no one else does either.
14:58I'm sort of rubbernecking a car crash, never being in a car crash myself, seen a few happen.
15:03And looking at the history of all of this, I mentioned Joseph Smith briefly there.
15:08I just finished listening to, for your listeners now, I just finished listening to an episode
15:12that you put out with Rob about the American Revolution, or those rebels, as we call them
15:20in Britain, and you briefly mentioned about the politics there.
15:24And I learned something fascinating there, which was that a matey's great-great-grandmother
15:29or someone was talking about a man who was counterbalancing Thomas Paine to say, it is
15:34religious.
15:34We do need to build this country on religious foundations.
15:37Now, when they said religious, of course, they named Christian.
15:40And I think that's a semantic problem.
15:43Because when you're surrounded by something, you're rarely going to name it, because everyone
15:49kind of knows shorthand what you mean.
15:51So, like, in a democracy, people talk a lot about the government.
15:55And they say, well, people in China or Russia talk about the government.
15:58Yes, but when we talk about the government, we're talking about democratic processes.
16:02And so, in America at that time, when they talked about religion, they weren't talking about
16:06Buddhism or Hinduism or Islam.
16:07They were talking about the Christian faith.
16:09They weren't talking about, well, Aztecs, let's allow them in as well.
16:14And that made me think, when I was listening to you, it jumped my mind forward to 1997, which
16:21is a short detour to English footballing history, if your listeners will bear with me before
16:27they will start shutting off.
16:28There was an England manager called Glenn Hoddle.
16:31And in an interview, he said, well, you know, some people are born without legs because of
16:38sins they committed in a past life.
16:40Yikes.
16:41No one in England approved of what he said there.
16:44And he was sacked as England coach of the football team in 1997.
16:48And that tells us two things, which was that he was propounding the doctrine of reincarnation,
16:54which is a Hindu Buddhist concept.
16:55But England, as a Christian nation, at the time said, no, no, no, you can't believe that
17:00doctrine.
17:01We don't believe that as, well, we're not going to admit that we're Christians.
17:04But essentially, you are.
17:06If you're rejecting a Hindu Buddhist doctrine, on what grounds are you rejecting?
17:10Secular grounds?
17:11So in that sense, in that instance there with Glenn Hoddle, he was being judged by Christian
17:18standards.
17:19And so my hot take on Christian nationalism has always been, it's not something I advocate,
17:24it's something I observe.
17:26And we see that in the foundations of our society, that we reject the idea of reincarnation
17:32and karma, we don't like that.
17:34Another broader question would be, if I was to die, and I said, my will is that my wife
17:41is going to stand on my funeral pyre, and we're all going to burn her to death.
17:45People say, well, you can't really do that.
17:46By what standards?
17:48Well, that's a Hindu tradition.
17:50Well, we don't allow for Hindu burial traditions where you burn a widow.
17:54Why?
17:54Well, because we don't admit that we're a Christian nation, in practice we are.
17:59So when push comes to shove, when you've got specific religious doctrines, specific to
18:04Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam, when they come into conflict with Christian teachings, a Christian
18:11nation like Norway, the US and Britain always sides with the Christian side without admitting
18:16that they're Christian nationalists.
18:18And I think the word nationalism simply has a difficult sound to it, because it starts
18:23with schism, and that sounds like fascism and communism, whereas democracy, that doesn't
18:28have an ism at the end.
18:30I would prefer to talk about Christian countryism, but that has an unfortunate first syllable,
18:35so we can't really say Christian countryism, so we have to say Christian nationalism.
18:40For me, I've always thought nations are an undefined group of people, whereas countries are
18:45a geographic reality.
18:46I prefer the term Christendom, which is a group of countries which say we adhere to, whether
18:52we admit it or not, Christian standards, like we don't believe in karma, we don't believe
18:57in burning your widows or cutting off young girls' reproductive organs.
19:01That's not something we do, or marrying your cousin, for example.
19:05We adhere to Christian principles.
19:06You can call them secular, but that's just another way of saying Christian as well.
19:10So that pushes me on to what we're going to talk about next, which is the early Roman
19:16Empire and Constantine.
19:17Because of your qualification, it does make sense to do that.
19:23In the R group, there is the concept of this reptilian people, and there are people who believe
19:32in this weird nonsense, but it doesn't mean that they all do.
19:35So if you're in this weird movement, and you hear that, and you immediately object in the
19:40comments, it's not that I'm saying they all are.
19:42If I remember correctly, that reptilian nonsense goes back to, I think it's David Ikey, who came
19:49up with the notion, and he popularized it.
19:52But think of this.
19:53The entire concept was this, that there are these lizard people who are, they've been here
20:00for decades, they've been around us, they have the way of shape-shifting into human form,
20:05and so they're taking over humanity, and they're taking over positions of power.
20:10That was the concept.
20:11And that was very compatible.
20:12So this R group has this hodgepodge of different conspiracy ideas, because the whole thing is
20:20built on conspiracy.
20:20But take the history of this for just a second, and take something else that you said, you
20:27can't speak with a wide-sweeping brush, but there are things that you say that when you're
20:32talking to a specific group of people, they assume a certain type of thing.
20:37So go back in time to about the 1930s, they're believing in the Christian identity circles, they're
20:44believing the same exact thing.
20:47Take the word lizard out, and use the word Jew instead.
20:49They're believing that the Jews, the false Jews, we can't tell which ones are false, they
20:54have come into the United States, they've taken over positions of power, they're doing
20:58it all across the globe, and they even printed this weird manifesto book, which I've mentioned
21:03a few times, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
21:07It basically was reptilian people 1.0, but they pointed toward the Jews.
21:12So this was a very compatible thing.
21:15Now, not all Pentecostals believed this, not all evangelicals believed this, but there were
21:21people like Gordon Lindsay who spearheaded the whole revival, who's speaking at their
21:25conferences, and many of them, according to the newspapers.
21:28You have different people like Branham, who was trained by people in Christian identity
21:33belief set.
21:34So when you mentioned the word Jew in that concept around those types of events, they
21:41all assumed the same thing as this reptilian thing without the word reptilian.
21:45It was just false Jew.
21:46So it was a very compatible thing.
21:49And when you think about how this movement grew from this weird nonsense that I'm talking
21:54about into the charismatic movement, you can't say that all charismatics believe this, but
21:59you can say that many of the core ideologies, which are ridiculous, made its way into core
22:05doctrines.
22:05And those core doctrines developed into things like, I've mentioned this in another podcast,
22:11I don't know if I talked about it to you, but this lady is talking about how they had
22:15such a wonderful revival, and she went back to her Airbnb, and covens of witches were circling
22:20around her Airbnb.
22:21And people believe this nonsense, man.
22:24So whenever you have that type of mentality, where you can invent a fantasy world and call
22:30it core doctrine, well, you can also build upon that fantasy world.
22:34It becomes almost like a Minecraft game of Christianity.
22:37Yeah.
22:38I know elsewhere you've talked about Christians saying they want to be against dungeons and
22:43dragons and all of this stuff, but then they just introduced the concepts anyway by wanting
22:48to live action role play, LARPing, as being part of this.
22:53And that makes me realise that you're correct to clean up two different concepts, which I
22:59understood that you also hadn't thought over clearly, which was the difference between
23:04Christian identity and Christian nationalism, which was covered really well, which is that
23:09Christian identity says we are a racial group that cannot be diluted and we're at risk of
23:14being polluted and attacked.
23:16Whereas my position of Christendom and Christian nationalism is our way of running countries seems
23:22to have worked rather well as such.
23:25I can fully understand that lots of people want to come to our countries and that's why
23:30refugees want to come to Europe and want to come to the United States.
23:33We should expect that to be the case.
23:36Whereas in Eastern Europe, they were all fleeing.
23:38Millions fled Eastern Germany to get to the West because East Germany was atheist and secular
23:44and communist.
23:45It wasn't working.
23:46So biblically, dictators are always afraid of their slaves running away.
23:53That's Exodus.
23:54Pharaoh doesn't want his slaves to run away.
23:56So if you're in a country that's worried about how many immigrants are going to come,
24:00well, that's a good sign because you're doing something right.
24:02I mean, if you're Russia, you're worried about people, your own citizens running away.
24:06So, you know, which do you really want there?
24:09Yeah, it's a question of how popular you are as a country.
24:13So to really take, Christian identity is we're a racial in-group that's going to be threatened.
24:17Whereas my form of Christian nationalism is we're quite a good form of society and we've
24:23done things rather well based upon these principles.
24:26And therefore, I can understand why people would like to come.
24:29Do you want to come?
24:29I think it's quite good here.
24:31So that's how I would like to draw to a close that section where we're talking about
24:35our unknown.
24:37So what was brought up with what I was listening to previously about Christian nationalism was
24:42Constantine in 325.
24:45And I know, John, you've got a deep interest in the early church fathers.
24:49So this is towards the end of the early church fathers period.
24:53So Constantine, well, St. Augustine is around that time as well.
24:57But 325, there's a lot of myths that happen around then,
25:01which is that the Council of Nicaea was convened by Constantine.
25:07But it was more the bishops who were under a lot of persecution at the time.
25:12A lot of these people came, you know, without a hand, without fingers or tongues cut out.
25:15And they were actually trying to define, not the Trinity per se, but trying to define,
25:20trying to land and agree upon who they thought Jesus was.
25:24And for us as Christians, it's deeply encouraging to know that they voted, I don't know, 600 to 1
25:31in favour of, they did vote that Jesus is the Son of God, he is divine, etc.
25:37And you'll hear some people saying that that's when they established the canon of the Bible.
25:41There is no canon of the Bible.
25:43There are lots of different versions of the Bible out there, and I'm happy to read any of them.
25:48But Constantine's role was simply convener.
25:51And it was mentioned in the podcast that I listened to that at that time,
25:56he made Christianity an official religion and he bought up,
26:00well, he confiscated pagan property and gave it to the church.
26:03That wasn't actually what happened.
26:04What he did was he gave the church back its property,
26:08which the church had been painstakingly buying up.
26:12So that kind of turns it on its head.
26:15And we need to remember, the Holy Roman Empire is brought up there again.
26:19That doesn't happen until the 9th century.
26:21So a very short period, shortly after Constantine,
26:24Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire.
26:28But the Roman Empire collapses in the West in 410.
26:31So you're only looking at a period from, well, if it'd be today,
26:34that would be living memory.
26:35Say if the United States had become a Christian nation from 1913 and collapsed in 2010,
26:41you wouldn't say that's really long enough to talk about political power.
26:44So the Roman Empire was hand in glove with Christianity in the West for only 80 years.
26:50So that's not enough time, I think,
26:52to say that Christianity was spreading through political power.
26:55Now, I've talked a lot elsewhere about my favourite topic,
27:00which is the monks and the monasteries.
27:02And when people are talking about church power and land and wealth,
27:07we have to remember that a lot of this was built up when the pagans were just running around,
27:11attacking each other with sticks and just poking each other in the eye.
27:15There was no civilisation that they were capable of building.
27:18The Vikings came and just destroyed a lot of England and destroyed Celtic culture in Ireland.
27:23And all that time, the monks and the monasteries were building up land independent of political power.
27:28There were no Christian kings, in Britain at least, until the early 8th century,
27:34when the Saxons, the Angles were converting.
27:36So that begs the question, how did the monasteries accumulate all of this money and wealth?
27:41It's just because they got a job and they started working.
27:43And I dare say a lot of Waiwamers might want to do that as well.
27:47It always comes back to Waiwam, a bit of a jibe to them.
27:51I think I've described Waiwam, the bases as a monastery, if only.
27:58You know, the monasteries were economic powerhouses where people worked.
28:03And again, I'd reiterate, this was before the Holy Roman Emperor.
28:07Charlemagne did come later on in the 8th century.
28:10But by then, the Vikings were already attacking, and Western Europe was plunged into political chaos for another 200 years.
28:16So it still asks the question, how did the church, and I'm talking about the Roman Catholic Church,
28:20how did that get the land, the money, the wealth, the education, teaching people?
28:25It was despite political power, at least for the first 1,000 years.
28:28Things went awry between, you know, 1054 and 1517.
28:33But the first 1,000 years of Christianity in the West was independent of political power.
28:37But you're right, this is the area of history that fascinates me.
28:41See, I grew up as a child that was a result of all of this weirdness that you're talking about.
28:47All of the one that points back to the Jewish race, not the one that's pointing to the reptilians.
28:53Now, I did watch this show called V from the 80s.
28:56One of the best shows ever, and the reptilian people come down, and you'd have to watch it.
29:01But it was pretty good.
29:02I think they remade it again in the 90s or 2000s.
29:05But we grew up in the concept that there was this false scenario that's being set up.
29:11And what Branham did is he traced it historically through time all the way back to the time that you're
29:16mentioning.
29:17And what he was trying to say was basically the human race was infected by these people,
29:22and they were swaying the church in the wrong direction.
29:25And it's really awful.
29:28The whole Trinitarian doctrine that he was defying, he was saying that it's not because of this.
29:34It's because the Catholics were coming to this event so that they could fight against the oneness people.
29:40That's really what his entire argument was.
29:42I was a little surprised whenever I started studying the Catholic Church and found out,
29:47number one, the Bible that he held would not have existed without the Catholic Church.
29:52And number two, everything that he said about them was false.
29:56Every single thing was false.
29:58So I started studying the history.
30:00I started reading the early church fathers.
30:02Not that I'm advocating for Catholicism, but I am advocating for historical truth and facts.
30:08If you have a preacher that's swaying your doctrines based off of fiction,
30:13you've got a problem here, and that problem is going to lead you straight to believing in lizard people.
30:17That's how bad this is.
30:19But we did believe this.
30:21But think of what the ancient world believed.
30:24So the people who were choosing what books came into the Bible, the Bible canon,
30:30those people are the same people that descended from peoples who believed in these gods and demigods.
30:37And they believed that the monarchs and the kings appointed were the interfaces to God.
30:41So in a way, in a strange way, they had a similar doctrine.
30:45And that's how all of the religious wars were fought.
30:49We're fighting not against peoples, but we're fighting kingdom and domain.
30:53All of the politics and religion is unified.
30:56We're fighting against an unknown god or a named god.
31:01That's how they believed.
31:02Well, what Branhamism, what Pentecostalism, parts of Pentecostalism, I should say,
31:09what the Lateran movement tried to say was that this war has been raging on with these invisible forces for
31:15all of this time.
31:16And so when you go back and you piece together the history that you're talking about,
31:20you start to understand that's not quite what happened, but there are nuances to it.
31:25And some of their beliefs were quite skewed.
31:28I started reading through some of the beliefs of the people who you would consider to be a good, solid,
31:35firm believer in the Christian faith in the early church.
31:39And some of the things that they believed are just so wacky that you wonder, how did it develop in
31:44the way that it did for good?
31:45But it was a common mindset.
31:47So you kind of have to read through it, not as you would read the works of today,
31:52but from the mindset of an ancient person who came from a people, who descended from people,
31:57who believed in weird gods and demigods and a spiritual warfare realm, much like the NAR has created.
32:05Yeah, you're right there.
32:07When it comes to some of the more, I guess, Amazon Series 3 kind of books in the Bible,
32:14you've got the book of Enoch, which is accepted by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church,
32:19and you've got the Belen, I'm going to say Belen Sebastian, Belen the dragon,
32:24and the latter part of Daniel as well, and even the book of Clement.
32:29It should be noted that all of the apocryphal, which is non-our standard Bible at the moment,
32:37there were as many manuscripts of all of those different books put together as there were John.
32:44So the people following the immediate end of the apostolic era around the beginning of the second century,
32:53this is Polycarp, this is Tertullian, they all said, well, all the apocryphal stuff, that's good,
33:01but that's very much sort of Andor and the Mandalorian.
33:05But the first, the original episodes, four, five, and six, that's still what everyone talks about.
33:10You know, everyone talks about Empire Strikes Back.
33:12Now it's about the Mandalorian and Andor and all this extra stuff.
33:16And, you know, what if that new one that came out?
33:19Yeah, there's a lot of silly extra Star Wars stuff.
33:23That's the apocrypha, we could call it.
33:24Even people talk about canon in Star Wars.
33:26So, yeah, the Star Wars comparison is Empire Strikes Back, really.
33:29But that's the original one.
33:32So there are more copies of John than there were of all of this extra, I don't want to say
33:37fan fiction,
33:38but I've always liked to say it's apocryphizes itself when you start reading these ones.
33:43They're quite misogynistic.
33:45They're not the Gnostic Gospels as well, for example.
33:47And it has to be remembered that none of these were written down and compiled at a time when the
33:53church had any form of political power,
33:55even close to anything.
33:56There was, this might interest you, which is very much off topic,
34:01but there was a short-lived Jewish kingdom of a queen who had converted to Judaism in northwest Iraq or
34:09northeast Persia,
34:10in the Adi Abene, or Abelini, there's different spellings for it, as Queen Helena.
34:15And she sent grain and stuff to Jerusalem in a famine around AD 70.
34:20So just around the time of the disciples, in Acts 2, we read that they were converts to Judaism,
34:28but they're also God-fearing Greeks.
34:31So even before Christianity, there was a division between Jews and God-fearing non-Jews,
34:39monotheistic converts, not to Judaism as an ethnic people, Jewish identity.
34:45But they were converts to monotheism.
34:48So in that sense, the ground was fertile around the time of Jesus and just after for the Gentiles to
34:55appear.
34:56There already were Gentile Jews in that sense, but they couldn't be called Jews really there.
35:03So the kind of belief in the Nephilim and all of that is certainly present at that time,
35:08because there's a film that's just come out, isn't it?
35:10Odyssey by Chris Nolan, that picks up a lot of these things.
35:14And my belief is that, well, is a strange belief.
35:19Of course, I do believe in the flood, but around Greece at that time, there are a lot of very
35:25small elephants.
35:26And they found the skeletons of these elephants, and a lot of them just had a big hole in the
35:31middle
35:31where their tusk comes out of.
35:33But because these were dwarf elephants, people thought they were looking at the skeletons of a cyclops.
35:38So that's where the legend of the cyclops came from.
35:40It was all sorts of bones and stuff found in their Greek islands.
35:45And so a lot of these myths and stuff of dragon,
35:48well, you know the idea now that dinosaurs might have had feathers,
35:51and you've got the idea of an eagle in Australia could go around with a stick in its mouth
35:57and carry fire to a different forest to flush out all the little rodents.
36:02And who's to say if that eagle was very, very big and one of these eagles didn't have feathers?
36:07That could be where the legend of the dragon comes from.
36:09I don't know.
36:10But I know that you've said elsewhere that the people of the kind of magic workers,
36:16the early Pentecostalists of the Greek world,
36:18they were kind of faking the stuff in the temple, saying,
36:21here's the pulls and levers and here's the smokes and mirrors.
36:23Here's my thumb magically coming off.
36:26You know, this is what the performers were doing then.
36:29And they weren't saying, by the way, guys, this demon stuff is real.
36:33Watch out.
36:34No, he was just saying, look, you get a bit of oil,
36:36you get a bit of baking soda and vinegar, and then you make...
36:39You know, that was the level of their chicanery.
36:42You know, William Brandon would have felt right at home there.
36:45You know, they really weren't saying to them, do be careful,
36:48you don't summon, you know, a right-hand path magic of the Zagrak.
36:53That wasn't happening in the ancient world.
36:56It was even fake then.
36:59I mentioned before that I'm less Aishinist,
37:01but there does seem to be a kind of culmination of demonic activity around the time of Jesus.
37:08I'm not going to say Jesus was making up.
37:10I would never say that.
37:11But people around that time seemed to be making it up a lot.
37:16And I don't know if they were always making it up,
37:18because that makes me sound like a bit of an atheist,
37:22that all of the God stuff is made up.
37:23But there seems to be a lot more people having to make it up
37:26than having to observe it, if you see the difference there.
37:29And I wonder if the same was in the ancient world,
37:32and that carried forward.
37:34I've studied that, and it's fascinating.
37:37Because in the ancient world, there was no real separation of church and state.
37:43Your church, your community was part of the religion,
37:46and the religion was led by a god.
37:48And if you were a god, if you lost to war, it was because you had the weaker god.
37:52So there were people that would change cities and et cetera.
37:55It got weird, because there was this motivation by the ancients
38:01to portray their cities as more empowered by God.
38:05And so they would invent the demons.
38:08They would invent the devils.
38:09They would create this conflict that was more of a cosmic conflict than it was reality.
38:16And then whenever their religion was presented,
38:18well, look what our god did for our people.
38:20We had this insanely difficult time with all of these gods and demons
38:25and demigods and whatnot.
38:27Well, where it gets interesting is when Gnosticism starts to come into Christianity,
38:31because many of those same things were happening.
38:34But it was happening into Christianity.
38:37And so the Catholic Church, whenever they started to come together
38:42and create the Bible canon, they had a little bit of difficulty
38:46because there were books that were just complete fiction.
38:49And how do you weed out the fiction from the not fiction?
38:51So they had to go through this voting process, like you said,
38:55and choose the Bible canon.
38:56That's how our Bible exists today.
38:59But if you think about the way that the ancient world created this tension,
39:04that's what fascinates me the most,
39:06because if you look what happened with the Lateran movement,
39:10carried forward into the charismatic movement, now the Gnar,
39:14they're doing the same things.
39:15They're creating this tension.
39:16You've got witches flying around your Airbnb.
39:19You've got weird stuff, man.
39:22They're creating this fictional tension so that the believers can be empowered
39:27when they talk to others who aren't of their faith and say,
39:30look, my leader had a coven of witches that's flying around her Airbnb.
39:35The problem is we don't live in the same ancient world.
39:39And so when you talk to somebody who's engaged critical thinking,
39:43they're going to think, well, that person's pretty crazy.
39:46I'm not going to believe a thing that they say.
39:49Yeah.
39:50And to sort of boomerang it back to Lauren Cunningham,
39:55I met him, well, I didn't mean,
39:58I was there on the YWAM base in Norway during my more open period of Christian belief.
40:04I think it was 2018 or 19.
40:06It was around the 50th anniversary.
40:08So he was doing his touring around.
40:09And the first time I had heard of the Seven Mountain Mandate was from a Christian in East London
40:15who'd been involved in some of the revivals in Quimbran.
40:20And he was there with Paul Cain in the early 90s when Paul Cain actually came to East London
40:27to the point of the revival meetings.
40:29And this Seven Mountains Mandate, this was something I was thinking carefully about today,
40:34is that there's a tendency in the movements like the Send and YWAM,
40:41and this is a good tendency, where they're at the big events,
40:45and they say some of you are going to be missionaries to be sent out here,
40:47some to Papua New Guinea.
40:48A lot of you are going to go to Hawaii, but then there's something that clicks inside them
40:55and they say, ah, but we do want to be reaching out to our local communities.
40:58Good.
40:59We want to be involved in our local church.
41:01Good.
41:01And we want to get involved in education, and we want to get involved in local politics
41:06because of the Seven Mountain Mandate.
41:08Ah, you don't need to call it the Seven Mountain Mandate.
41:12But I think the Seven Mountain Mandate is, strangely enough, I think it's a mercy from God,
41:20where God is trying to reach into this NAR movement and say, well, OK, if I call just getting stuck
41:26into your local church, no one's going to be interested in that.
41:29But if you say a Seven Mountain Mandate, wow, that sounds exciting.
41:33Well, it's what I do anyway.
41:35I mean, I'm involved in my union.
41:37I'm involved in my local community.
41:39I'm involved at work and church.
41:41And my kid is in, you know, I'm doing the Seven Mountain Mandate.
41:46I don't call it that.
41:47So it's this kind of gravitational pull.
41:51You know those solar flares that go out from the sun?
41:53They go out, but then they come down again because the gravity is so much in the sun.
41:57I believe the gravity of the one holy and Catholic apostolic church is so strong that it pulls
42:05all forms of Christianity back into it.
42:07The weirdest of Mormons, they had to drop the polygamy because the gravity of global Christianity
42:12pulled them back into it.
42:13Oh, none of that, please.
42:14And even the Jehovah Witnesses, some of their wacky stuff, global Christianity, oh, no,
42:18no, we don't do that.
42:19Come on, get a bit normal, normal.
42:21So the modern NAR, they've dropped the lizard stuff and the bloodlines.
42:27But now they're talking about the Seven Mountains Mandate.
42:30And Lauren Cunningham's like five utterances or his Christian Magna Carta is good stuff of
42:38what he said.
42:39I would do thumbs up to that.
42:41And I would almost positively say that the Seven Mountains Mandate, that we need to conquer
42:49the mountain of culture, if that language works for you, okay.
42:53But I just call it getting a job in the entertainment industry and working as a Christian in that
43:01situation.
43:02You know, we must conquer politics, you know, go on a march.
43:05We can do.
43:06But when you get involved locally in politics, you're talking about zoning law and doing very
43:11boring things like saying to people, I'm very sorry, but that stone slope that you installed
43:16in your garden is against the local environmental laws because it's going to lead to more surface
43:20water runoff and flooding.
43:22Very boring stuff.
43:24And, you know, the kind of people who want to get involved in politics, they would say abortion,
43:28all these exciting things.
43:29It's about surface water runoff into local watercourses that are going to reduce flooding
43:35in the long term.
43:36That's Christians in politics.
43:38Conquer that mountain.
43:39And I guarantee you only about three people will be at those kind of town hall meetings.
43:44So that is, I am positive to the Seven Mountains Mandate.
43:48And I'm just always intrigued that these great big events, they end up looking for something
43:54that resembles kind of vague rural Anglicanism, Church of England stuff.
44:01You do go to church on the Sunday, yes, but it's closed much of the week because you're
44:06involved in your community.
44:07You're going to the parents and toddlers group.
44:09You're helping out in the soup kitchen.
44:11You're inviting the homeless to your church at Christmas.
44:14And, yeah, you could call that a mandate if you want to.
44:17But I just call it very normal Christian living.
44:21And so I do hope that at the moment, fire and fragrance and Yawam are going separate,
44:27consciously separating.
44:28And I hope that the fire and fragrance will kind of burn out and fragrance somewhere else.
44:35And the Yawam proper will carry on its local community-based vision.
44:41I hope that that's the direction it's going to go in.
44:47And finally, I know that people always appreciate the Tolkien references in the comments.
44:52So I was thinking today, hmm, how can I bring Tolkien into this?
44:56And some people might think, well, surely how can you bring the Bible into this?
44:59Oh, nothing so passe.
45:01But I think when it comes to Tolkien and his vision, it would be strange for us to talk about
45:07elvish nationalism and Lorient and what Galadriel wants.
45:12But ultimately, Galadriel rejects the ring when it's offered to her.
45:17She rejects the political power.
45:19And so does Eowyn.
45:21She participates in slaying the Witch King.
45:24She killed a real lizard and, you know, the other race of orcs.
45:28But what's her dream at the end of the book?
45:30She says she wants to become a gardener and settle down and get a house.
45:34And that's still the vision I think we should be going for, that the Seven Mountains mandate, we need to
45:40storm the capital.
45:41We need to, you know, participate in our unknown.
45:45This big group and the movement is going to send you elsewhere and you're going to be turned into an
45:49acolyte.
45:50And ultimately, you're not going to be doing anything more darker than supporting an orange looking man with yellow hair,
45:58Mr. T.
45:59He's just trying to get rich.
46:00So is Putin.
46:02All you're doing is trying to support a couple of old men that want lots of properties around the world.
46:08You're not doing anything more dramatic spiritually than that.
46:12But the real fight, the real battle is how are you going to fix the roof on your house, doing
46:19the guttering, mowing the lawn, helping your son to learn to read.
46:23That's my eight mountain mandates.
46:26And I think that's a far more difficult call than being told, get on the bus and go to the
46:32Capitol and protest, because that's how these groups end up.
46:36Joseph Smith did it before.
46:38And the Christian identity people have tried to do it.
46:42But for me, that's my mandate.
46:45That's the small scale kind of Christianity that I advocate.
46:49Well, to wrap it up, I'll bring Star Trek into the mix, because we've not yet brought Star Trek in.
46:55So you mentioned that you follow the Seven Mountains mandate.
46:59You just don't do it in the over-exaggerated way.
47:02You do it in the Christian way.
47:04And think of this, if you combine everything that we've said, go back to the Gnosticism, go back to the
47:10ancient world.
47:10They're adding all of these fictional details to make the story greater and better and bigger so the enemy can
47:16see that they have the power.
47:18Well, there was this group on Star Trek that whenever they encountered them, they said,
47:27And the crew of the Enterprise had no idea what they were saying, because they were speaking in metaphors.
47:33And what they were doing, essentially, through the course of the episode, you learn this.
47:37Their main form of communication was to give these exaggerations of stories that are similar to the subject matter that
47:45they're talking about.
47:46And once they pieced this together, they could see, okay, I kind of get what you're saying, but why are
47:50you talking like this?
47:51It was basically how that worked.
47:54That's what is really happening here.
47:56It's not so much that the Seven Mountains mandate, if you take the Christian version of it, it's not so
48:02much that that's a bad idea.
48:03You do want to be a good influencer.
48:06But what happens is they add all of these over-exaggerations and colorful metaphors.
48:10And where this ends up is you have witches flying around your Airbnb.
48:14You have people that just go insane because you're not sticking to the core doctrine.
48:19Your focus is actually on the metaphors and the stories, and that's why you have God's generals.
48:26You have all of these tales that you're talking about.
48:28So instead of Shaka, when the walls fell, you say, God's generals when A.A. Allen did this weird thing.
48:34So people start to focus on the metaphors, is what I'm trying to say, and they lose focus of the
48:40core values.
48:41And once the core values are out of focus for so long, people forget them.
48:46That's really the problem here.
48:47So as this movement has developed, the core values took a back seat, and everything that made it seem over
48:54-glorified and over-spiritualized,
48:57I can guarantee you that many of the leaders knew what they were saying was over-amplifying the actual events,
49:02but they thought they were doing it for a good cause, not knowing that they're losing core values by doing
49:08it.
49:09And at the risk of actually mentioning the Bible, Jesus talks about the parable of the talents,
49:15where you've got the 10,000, the 5,000, 1,000.
49:18And I know most people want to say, well, actually, it's about how much money you have.
49:24It's actually about your attitude to the person that's giving it to you is really what Jesus is getting at,
49:30because the man who receives 1,000, he says, Lord, I know that you are a hard-hearted man who
49:34doesn't give.
49:35Well, he just gave 10,000 talents away, so he's not that hard-hearted.
49:38But Jesus' pictures and analogies are quite grounded.
49:43And I remember saying in one of the comments that he's talking about labor disputes, he's talking about farming,
49:49he's talking about fishing and losing coins and losing sheep.
49:52These were things people actually did.
49:54And so when we're talking about Seven Mountains mandate, we just have to bring the language right down to really
50:02basic things.
50:03What do we talk to chat GBT about that we should be talking to God about?
50:08You know, what stuff are you better off lying about to your nearest and dearest?
50:14What do you think when you're on your own driving?
50:17How do you conquer those things?
50:19And people saying create truth through the power of spoken word.
50:23You know, well, proclaim your closest sins to your accountability partner.
50:29Speak that truth into being.
50:31When you bring your language down really low, away from the analogies with that Star Trek race,
50:38your language can really cut through people when you just use short, sharp Anglo-Saxon language,
50:45which I'm very aware of when I speak Norwegian as much as I do English.
50:51So that's what I always contrast is Jesus isn't talking about conquering Seven Mountains mandate.
50:56He's saying you need to master your hearts.
50:59You need to teach these things to your children when you're walking along the road.
51:04That's what the Old Testament talks about.
51:06And so ultimately, you know, and very much to conclude with, I would say that's that's what I hope that
51:13conquer that we can conquer Gnosticism and conquer going to Hawaii.
51:17And just get involved in your local community, read the Bible, read Lord of the Rings and watch Star Trek.
51:24You know, just understand the core foundational documents of the Western world.
51:30Well, to build on what you said, Jesus came and told the disciples to spread the gospel.
51:36And so they're spreading it to a people in language that the other people can understand.
51:43If you think about the metaphor analogy, if you think about what the movement has done, they're creating a new
51:50language in doing this.
51:51They're using all of these things.
51:53We've thrown out a few of them, a spoken word, the rhema, different things.
51:58How are you going to spread the gospel if they don't even know what these things are that you're talking
52:01about?
52:02But yet to you, that's part of your core personality.
52:05That's your shaka when the walls fell.
52:07You speak it so fluently among your peers.
52:10How are you going to spread the gospel like this?
52:13That's the main question that I was building up to.
52:16So, so much more we can get into.
52:18I feel like we've covered all bases and everything and every fictional character in this episode.
52:23Thank you so much for doing it.
52:25Thanks.
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