00:00You know, Robert Plant talking about the juice running down his leg from a lemon.
00:05And, you know, it's like, well, if I, you know, there's, there shouldn't be a double standard.
00:09It's like, there's like, as far as women in this business, you know, we, we think about it too.
00:22Darkness Always Wins. That was a, that was the first song we wrote for the Everest album.
00:27And it was like an experiment. It was our first time working with this producer, Dave Cobb.
00:32And we went down to Savannah just to see how it would go.
00:43Armed with literally nothing but the title, we, we ended up, Joe and I were sitting out on our porch
00:49before,
00:50day before we were about to go and meet with Dave.
00:52And we were frustrated with just kind of the way the world has been turning lately.
00:57And just, you know, saying, why does, why does evil always prevail?
01:00Why do the good ones go first?
01:01It's like, we try so hard as humans to do the best that we can.
01:05And it always just seems like we were cut short.
01:07And so I, you know, I think it was, he was like, why does the darkness always win?
01:10I'm like, ooh, write that down.
01:12And so we went into the studio the next day with Dave and just like, he's like, oh, I love
01:16that title.
01:17Let's go.
01:17And so we literally started with, just from scratch.
01:20And, you know, ended up, I sat down at the piano and everybody plugged in.
01:24And, and I think we wrote it in what, like a day and a half, something like that.
01:28Yeah, we were in and recorded.
01:30We were just recording while we were writing.
01:32So I was just putting it together.
01:34And it was, yeah, it was fun.
01:35It was, it was a great way to kind of kick off the record.
01:39Well, when we found out that Love Bites was nominated for a Grammy, we were in Madison.
01:43Madison, Wisconsin.
01:43Yeah, playing a show.
01:52Yeah, we found out about the nomination when we were on stage, which is funny.
01:56It was like 2012, I guess.
01:57And we didn't know that like people at the Grammys even knew who we were.
02:02Yeah, we didn't even know we were on their radar.
02:04Like what?
02:04My guitar tech told me it was right when I went back and Lizzie was starting a piano segment, just
02:09her.
02:10And so I like ran out on stage and told her.
02:12And there was a girl, a girl in Wisconsin captured like the perfect photo of it.
02:18Because I was like whispering it to Lizzie in her ear.
02:20I guess I had this look of shock on my face.
02:23And so, and so the whole audience like got quiet.
02:25They're like, what happened?
02:26What I did, you know, did somebody die?
02:27What happened?
02:28And I just turned to the audience.
02:30I'm like, we just got nominated for a Grammy.
02:32And, and it just, the reaction was insane.
02:36It was like, just, they blew the roof off.
02:38And yeah, it was cool.
02:39It was a wild rest of the set.
02:41But we were, we were like, what's going on?
02:43Couldn't stop thinking about it.
02:45But yeah, it's like, it was all really new.
02:47And so I ended up calling up my manager after the show.
02:51I'm like, okay, so we're not, what does that even mean?
02:53You know, it's like, well, you get to go and dress up and do the red carpet and go to
02:57the parties.
02:57And you might actually win the damn thing.
02:59And, and so, you know, we went and we did the thing.
03:02And we're like, we're not going to win.
03:02We're not going to, yeah.
03:03At least get to go to the parties.
03:04We had a very adult conversation about it.
03:05We're like, guys, let's not get our hopes up.
03:07Like, because, you know, we were, you know, I mean, everyone who was nominated in the category was, you know,
03:13were our idols.
03:13And we're like, kind of around for a long time.
03:15So like, hey, we're just happy to be nominated, hanging out here.
03:18The awkward kids in the corner while like Katy Perry and like Quincy Jones are hanging out.
03:22And so like, we're sitting down and they get to our category and they open up the envelope and we're
03:28listening for like Hailstorm and H sound.
03:30And they go, the Grammy goes to Love Bites, So Do I.
03:33So we're like, oh, that was Lamb of God.
03:35That's not us.
03:35And so there's this like pause.
03:36And then we're like, wait, that is us.
03:38And we just ran up.
03:39And for the first time in my life, I had absolutely like just kind of went blank with everything I
03:44wanted to say.
03:44And, you know, our day took a speech.
03:47It was funny.
03:48Our day was prepared.
03:49He's always prepared.
03:51I've become quite unapologetic about the things that I write because, you know, ultimately, you know, I know what I
03:59write it about.
04:05And I know that my heart's in the right place.
04:07Also, lyrics can be interpreted in all different ways.
04:11Like I'm sure, you know, you can find the tamest song in the world and twist it in a strange
04:16way, you know.
04:18You know, for heaven's sake, Cyndi Lauper's She-Bop was about masturbation, but nobody saw that until later, you know.
04:25But it's interesting.
04:26I mean, the song really was inspired by my parents' divorce.
04:31They were going through, you know, going through it.
04:34And then when it was finally done, you know, I ended up talking to my mom about it.
04:37And she's like, you know what, I really like, I don't miss being married, but there's a part of me
04:43that misses the fights and misses the like when it was because that had become so normal, you know, the
04:49normalcy of it.
04:50And so I ended up kind of taking that and twisting everything around.
04:55But yeah, I don't know.
04:57It's just, I feel like every time that I write a song, it's coming from a personal place and then
05:05it kind of expands.
05:06And so, yeah, I don't know.
05:07I feel like if you're looking for negativity in songs, you're going to find it.
05:14But ultimately, that's not my goal.
05:17With Here's To Us?
05:18With Here's To Us.
05:20That song, that doesn't feel like our song anymore.
05:23That's kind of like everyone else's song.
05:24That's everyone else's song, yeah.
05:25They like to hear it.
05:26And it's fun to play live, you know.
05:29It's just, it's kind of atypical for our set, you know.
05:32It's not like this driving rock song, but it's more of this kind of reminiscing.
05:38All the times that we messed up is to you.
05:45Yeah, and everybody takes it in a different way.
05:48There are some people that said, oh, they played it at their wedding.
05:51There's some people that play it with their friends and everybody has a different version.
05:56You know, for us, the original inspiration actually came from, we were in the process of making our first album.
06:04And everything that could have gone wrong went wrong, you know.
06:08The industry was changing.
06:10Our A&R guy got fired.
06:11We lived through an earthquake, a flood, a fire, a mudslide, you know, trying to figure out how to, like,
06:20get our first album together.
06:21The first producer that we were going to work with ended up dropping out.
06:25And so then we found another one.
06:26And every single time something bad happened, we would go down to the corner store and buy this really awful
06:32cheap champagne.
06:34And we would come back and be like, okay, hey, no matter what happens, even if we're going home, we
06:38still have each other.
06:39Here's to us.
06:40And so, you know, ended up, you know, literally kind of taking that inspiration in for the next album.
06:46And so it's always been the four of us against the world, and that's where it originated from.
06:51But what I think is so special about everybody, how everybody else takes it and how, again, this is now
06:58a gift to the fans.
06:59This is, it's no longer ours, it's theirs, is that you just see all different walks of life.
07:05And everybody, like, for some reason puts their own life and their own story into it.
07:11And then everybody loves saying, tell them, go f*** themselves.
07:15That's just a given.
07:16Like, you know, it doesn't matter what country we're in, what language we're speaking, everybody loves to do that.
07:21You've got to yell that one.
07:21You've got to yell that one, yeah.
07:22Yeah, I get off.
07:23I get off.
07:24Where'd that start?
07:25That was, we were in L.A.
07:26We were in L.A., and we were, you know, we were kind of, again, we kind of got stuck
07:30there making our first record.
07:32And so we ended up doing, like, kind of a residency.
07:36Every Tuesday or every Wednesday at the Viper Room.
07:37At the Viper Room, yeah.
07:44Our label, A&R Guy, and our producer, Howard, they'd start, they were just bringing people out, you know.
07:50And we had a lot of tricks.
07:53We got signed because of our live show.
07:55And, you know, at the time we were making sure, and we still do, you know, every song's got to
08:00have this moment that makes people go, like, what am I watching?
08:03Like, what is going on here?
08:04And when you have a voice like Lizzie's, that, you know, we can make lots of cool moments.
08:08And we were talking about how much fun that is to, like, watch people get it, you know, and realize
08:13that, oh, I get it.
08:15I get this band now.
08:16And, right?
08:17It's something that literally I get off on is, and I did, and every night, and especially when you see
08:22new people that haven't seen you before, you know.
08:25And so you have to find a way to engage them and to win them over, you know.
08:31And with some of those particular gigs, like, you know, we're playing at the Viper Room in L.A.
08:37Like, we don't have an album out except for, like, a live EP.
08:41Nobody has any idea who we are.
08:43And you have to kind of capture the room.
08:45So, like, I remember the beginnings of the song saying something like, you know, I love the fact that you
08:52have fallen in love with me or something like that.
08:54And then it slowly devolved into I get off on you getting off on me.
08:59And I always know when something is going to be – something is special when there's only two choices.
09:11Either people are going to absolutely hate it or absolutely going to love it.
09:14And the crazy thing about that song is that it ended up really empowering me as far as just kind
09:22of being, you know, owning that type of sexuality in lyrics and being bold enough to say that.
09:30And over the years, I kept thinking I was going to get, like, angry letters from my parents or something
09:36being like, excuse me, what are you saying?
09:38And my kids are listening to this.
09:40But it's actually been the opposite.
09:42In fact, recently this dad came to our meet and greet with his two daughters and he, like, hugged me
09:49and he's like, he's like, I just want to tell you I hope that my two daughters are comfortable enough
09:55in their sexuality to talk about it the way that you do in your songs.
09:58And so I'm like, oh, my God, it just made it that much worth it.
10:01But, yeah, that's a fun one.
10:03And, you know, you just get to see everybody, oh, my gosh, did she actually say that, you know?
10:10And then, of course, you get everyone that actually gets it and everyone's dancing around.
10:14The girls get up on the shoulders.
10:15It's great.
10:16You know, Robert Plant talking about the juice running down his leg from a lemon.
10:21And, you know, it's like, well, if, you know, there shouldn't be a double standard.
10:26It's like there's like as far as women in this business, you know, we think about it, too.
