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Brandon Teena documentary - The Brandon Teena Story
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00:00:55relative discovered the murder victims Friday on this farmstead south of Humboldt.
00:00:59The victims were Tina Brandon of Lincoln, Philip Devine of Fairfield, Iowa, and Lisa Lambert of Humboldt.
00:01:05She lived at the farmhouse with her infant son who was not harmed in the attack.
00:01:10The official briefing did not explain what could have sparked the slayings or what the other two victims were doing
00:01:15at Lisa Lambert's house.
00:01:16But the county attorney did reveal one strange detail. Tina Brandon posed as a man named Brandon.
00:01:37It's a heartache
00:01:41Nothing but a heartache
00:01:45Hit you when it's too late
00:01:49Hit you when you're down
00:01:53It's a fool's game
00:01:57Nothing but a fool's game
00:02:01Standing in the cold rain
00:02:05Feeling like a clown
00:02:10It's a heartache
00:02:14Brandon was a woman's man. I mean, every woman's dream. Every woman's dream. If, um, Brandon really was a man,
00:02:22oh, Jesus.
00:02:23He would have women after him all the time. I mean, he knew how to please you. He knew how
00:02:29to do everything right.
00:02:31Oh, yeah. Good kisser. I can't say so much for a lover because we didn't really make love. You know
00:02:38what I mean?
00:02:39But yeah, excellent kisser. Excellent, excellent guy. Excellent, you know.
00:02:45Knew exactly how a woman wanted to be treated.
00:02:48You know, know exactly how I wanted to be treated.
00:02:51I can't remember if it was a dozen or two dozen roses sitting there and I had a card
00:02:57And I had a little stuffed cat next to it. Bottle of perfume. I'm like, what is all this stuff?
00:03:03He's like, well, will you marry me?
00:03:07So I probably thought about it for a minute.
00:03:10I said, yeah.
00:03:12And he just starts jumping up and down, you know, oh, yeah, yeah.
00:03:16And girls would go, right?
00:03:19Right.
00:03:19They'd go, oh my God, the guys in the kitchen cooking with me?
00:03:23And I mean, that's where Tenna was.
00:03:25Because the beautiful thing about Tenna was he was in touch with his female side and his male side.
00:03:31He knew what females wanted because he was a female at one time.
00:03:35And he knew what males wanted because now he was a male.
00:03:39It was great.
00:03:42I thought Brandon was attractive when I thought it was Brandon until I found out Brandon's Tina.
00:03:47Tina Renee instead of Tenna Ray Brandon.
00:03:51Yeah.
00:03:51And I found all that out.
00:03:53I was like, oh, God, what am I doing?
00:03:55But...
00:03:55People have said, you know, this person is a female.
00:04:00This person...
00:04:01I said, but, you know, we're sleeping together.
00:04:03That doesn't matter.
00:04:05You know, here, I'm so naive to anything.
00:04:07It's like, you know, what's a strap on?
00:04:10What's this?
00:04:10What's that?
00:04:11I have no idea what you're talking about, you know?
00:04:14And I'm like, well, strap on, you know?
00:04:16Feel behind the legs.
00:04:17See if it's strapped on somehow.
00:04:19I'm like, well, okay, whatever.
00:04:22You know, so I'm like, well, okay.
00:04:23You have to take your pants off this time.
00:04:26Take them off, you know?
00:04:27So I thought, well, I'll feel.
00:04:30I'll feel it.
00:04:30You know, down his back, down past, you know, his legs.
00:04:33I thought, well, there's nothing there.
00:04:35And I'm thinking, his hands aren't there to try to keep it in place.
00:04:39His hands are up, you know, by my head, under my head or whatever.
00:04:42So I thought, these people, you know, just feeding me all this crap.
00:04:47I'm like, I'm not going to listen to them, you know?
00:04:51So I have no idea.
00:04:54I have no idea why it works so well.
00:05:01Hi, tiger.
00:05:06Teach me, tiger, how to kiss you.
00:05:14Show me, tiger, how to kiss you.
00:05:22Take my lips.
00:05:25They belong to you.
00:05:30But teach me first.
00:05:33Teach me what to do.
00:05:37He came up with stories, you know, more sex change stories and that it got to the point where almost
00:05:44nothing's been done.
00:05:45You know, we go from everything to, you know, half of it and to now where it's just barely starting.
00:05:51And I said, no, you just need to be honest with me.
00:05:53And so he, he showed me.
00:05:58And he says, well, but this is the start of the operation.
00:06:02The start of what?
00:06:03He's like, well, they've sewed me up and they've started, uh, started me on steroids and saying how they've implanted
00:06:14something that's going to eventually grow.
00:06:18And I'm like, hermaphrodite, what are you talking about?
00:06:21I went home and looked it up in the dictionary.
00:06:23I had no idea.
00:06:25What is hermaphrodite, you know?
00:06:27And I'm like, so what's this mean, you know?
00:06:29And it says something about an animal in the dictionary.
00:06:33So I was like really freaking out.
00:06:35I'm dating an animal.
00:06:39How could you lie to me?
00:06:41You know, here I've got a hickey on my neck and everybody's just laughing at me because you lied to
00:06:47me and you pretended to be someone you're not.
00:06:50I was mad for probably a good two weeks.
00:06:54And then I started talking to him as a she again.
00:06:59Is it true?
00:07:00Is it true?
00:07:01Is he a boy?
00:07:02Is he really a girl?
00:07:04I was kissing him in the back seat last night.
00:07:08Is he a girl?
00:07:11And 10 is standing right next to me.
00:07:14I said, would you like to talk to her?
00:07:16Would you like to explain what's going on?
00:07:19No, no, you do it.
00:07:20Don't tell her.
00:07:20Don't tell her.
00:07:21Oh God, I'll kill myself if you do.
00:07:24I'll kill myself.
00:07:27I believed him.
00:07:30Changes I'm going through in my life will change me forever.
00:07:33Soon I'll have anybody I want and give them the love that I have.
00:07:37But there's one that won't leave my mind.
00:07:40Maybe I should walk away and find someone else and start over.
00:07:44Knowing the mistakes I've made and make them change.
00:07:47I still love her so, but I should let her go.
00:07:51One of these nights I'll close my eyes and let everything go.
00:07:55I'm not as strong as I thought.
00:07:57I can't fight.
00:07:59I don't think I can make it alone.
00:08:01By Brandon.
00:08:03I figured some guy would get and find out that she was female, you know, if he didn't know right
00:08:08away and just rape her, you know.
00:08:10And it was, what do I want to say?
00:08:14I kind of felt like it would happen, but I didn't.
00:08:16I was trying to put the fear of God in her, you know, more or less just to, because people
00:08:20are cruel.
00:08:21Basically we were getting worried about Tina and we couldn't get any help for her and, you know, not help
00:08:29to deal with her being gay or anything like that, but help to deal with her, you know, trying to
00:08:34figure out herself and stuff.
00:08:36Maybe she needed some counseling and she had mentioned to us one time about committing suicide, so we kind of
00:08:41used that as a reason of getting her to there.
00:08:44They took her to Lincoln General.
00:08:46And the psychologist there said that Tina needed long-term help, which, I don't know if that was really the
00:08:54case, but they did send her out to the crisis center.
00:08:59And I don't know, you know, I wish I really knew what Tina had told them or what those doctors
00:09:04had told Tina, but basically she came out of there saying, I want a sex change and, you know, they
00:09:10told me I need to do this and that.
00:09:12And they might have told her that, but I don't know if that's really what she wanted to do.
00:09:17I think he had in his head that he was going to get a sex change or something and he
00:09:20just wanted everybody to know him as always being a man, this is a man, you know, or whatever, you
00:09:26know.
00:09:26And I think that he wanted everybody to know that, so therefore he had to lie.
00:09:32And then he would get caught in lies, so he'd have to say lie after lie to cover up lies.
00:09:36So he was just living one big lie.
00:09:38And he would just scream at me saying, you know, Gina, this isn't a gay relationship.
00:09:43I don't know what you're thinking.
00:09:45I said, well, what am I supposed to think?
00:09:47I mean, I know what you want to be as male.
00:09:50I said, but unfortunately we have to deal with what we have now.
00:09:54And I said, you are female.
00:09:57And I said, we have to deal with that.
00:09:59Because every time he tried to be truthful to the kids he was with, he was put down.
00:10:06He was called a fag.
00:10:09Or worse yet, or you're a dyke.
00:10:11Or you're really a lesbo.
00:10:12That's what you are.
00:10:13You're a lesbo.
00:10:14We don't want to be around you.
00:10:16Or the girls would just look at him and call him a freak.
00:10:31Touché, touché.
00:10:34You're right, there's nothing I can say.
00:10:39I am a wishy-washy girl.
00:10:43But it's a wishy-washy world.
00:10:49Go away.
00:10:51No, wait a minute.
00:10:54I want out and I want in it.
00:10:58Sometimes tenor would buy your love.
00:11:00If it wasn't through the forgeries or the stealing,
00:11:04then it was by doing anything for you that he could do.
00:11:09It was always like he was this little puppy dog following you,
00:11:12waiting to get patted on the head.
00:11:13Oh, good boy, good boy.
00:11:14He did a good job.
00:11:16Everything was just sweet about him, you know.
00:11:19He had always buying stuff for people.
00:11:22Always like roses and always pizzas, movies.
00:11:29Anything that you would want, he would buy it for you, you know.
00:11:32He never looked at it like it was stealing.
00:11:35He was doing it to help somebody.
00:11:37But it always got him in trouble.
00:11:39You couldn't give that boy a checkbook and money.
00:11:43The funniest thing was he had bought me an engagement ring set on that card.
00:11:48It was the actual gold band with the other ring being the diamond solitaire.
00:11:57You know, at this time, I've already figured out, this is my card.
00:12:00He was like, well, I bought this for you.
00:12:02I said, with what?
00:12:04Well, with my money.
00:12:05And I said, you did no such thing.
00:12:08I said, you're giving me a ring that I just bought myself.
00:12:11You know, am I right?
00:12:13And he was like, well, keep it.
00:12:14I want you to keep it.
00:12:16I'm not keeping this.
00:12:17And so we'd argued and fought over that.
00:12:21And I'd just take the ring.
00:12:22You know, just throw it at him.
00:12:23I don't want it.
00:12:24I do not want it.
00:12:25I said, tell you what, right now, you know, engagement's off.
00:12:29It is off.
00:12:30And then single girls, straight girls would be, oh, I was making out with a girl.
00:12:35Oh.
00:12:36And then the phone calls and the harassment would start.
00:12:39And that's where Jenna finally left.
00:12:41Because too many people found out that she was a girl.
00:12:56I just might be a pleasant dream.
00:13:01That will haunt you for all time.
00:13:06Sometimes peaceful and serene.
00:13:10Sometimes staring at your mind.
00:13:15I might be that Santa part of you.
00:13:20On that pillow where I used to lay.
00:13:24I just might be the best damn thing that you ever threw away.
00:13:38I just might be a soft caress.
00:13:43That you wish was still around.
00:13:48Just a little happiness.
00:13:52You were lucky that you found.
00:13:57I might be that one I love you.
00:14:02That you meant to, but just wouldn't say.
00:14:06I just might be the best damn thing that you ever threw away.
00:14:13I just might be the best damn thing that you ever threw away.
00:14:24Fall City is a white community.
00:14:27We may have had one or two families in here that were black, but as far as having gay people
00:14:35come in, you know, Fall City would, I'm sure, you know, escort them out of town.
00:14:40They're barely any jobs.
00:14:42A lot of them are on welfare and stuff, you know.
00:14:44I mean, you know, if you got somebody that gets a job and keeps a job, you know, especially a
00:14:51girl that don't end up pregnant and end up on welfare for the rest of your life, you're pretty damn
00:14:55lucky.
00:14:56You know, so that's Fall City for you.
00:15:02I believe this county seems to have more than its share of violent crimes for as small an area as
00:15:09it is.
00:15:10I worked in three other departments, you know, before coming back to here.
00:15:17And I don't believe that any of those places, which were also in Nebraska, had near the domestic violence that
00:15:24we do down here.
00:15:26I like stabbing calls, assault calls, you know, pretty, you know, pretty bad, you know, violent calls in general.
00:15:34It's a lot different than, you know, what you might think.
00:15:40It's a shame at all, but blame is on us women.
00:15:49It's not true, it only feels the same.
00:15:58From the start of every heart, it ever grow.
00:16:07One thing called, there always was a man to blame.
00:16:17It wasn't God who made honky-tonk angels
00:16:26They're both smiling, Brandon's looking.
00:16:28That's his typical face right there.
00:16:31His face that I've seen all the time.
00:16:33He's shaved.
00:16:36He likes it like a man.
00:16:38And he would talk about women, like pretty women on TV.
00:16:45His favorite woman he thought was really beautiful was Cher.
00:16:49He thought she was gorgeous.
00:16:52I mean, that was the woman to him.
00:16:55I don't know.
00:16:55He'd sit around and talk about cars, like men do.
00:16:58It gets really boring to hear men talk about cars.
00:17:02After she'd had sex with them and she said that she'd never do it again
00:17:05because he was so small and all that stuff,
00:17:08I was like, don't let that stop you.
00:17:10I said, that's not a big deal.
00:17:11I was just like, you're going to need to keep this one
00:17:15because he'd like, I don't know, he was just so nice to her,
00:17:19like leave her notes, you know,
00:17:20like little love letters laying around.
00:17:24He was just really nice.
00:17:25He did everything to please her.
00:17:27Brandon was a very polite person.
00:17:31Brandon didn't talk bad about anybody.
00:17:34He was very considerate to my daughter, Lana, and he was very clean.
00:17:40I liked him.
00:17:41He was very appealing for a young man.
00:17:43We went out drinking together.
00:17:45We talked about women.
00:17:47We'd ride around and say, ooh, what about that one?
00:17:49What about that one there, you know?
00:17:51You know, just guy talk.
00:17:53The wool was pulled over a number of people's eyes, you know,
00:17:57and she was doing it well.
00:18:00And one thing I noticed, all the girls saying that she knew how to treat a girl.
00:18:05He knew how to treat a girl.
00:18:07And I presume that's the way she would like to be treated, you know,
00:18:11with flowers and all this stuff.
00:18:13And she knew what a girl would like.
00:18:17Yeah, I did.
00:18:18It was really nice being treated like a lady
00:18:20instead of just like nothing, like a bird.
00:18:26It was different.
00:18:27It was nice as I was.
00:18:41And she said, Brandon is not a he.
00:18:44Brandon is a she.
00:18:46And Brandon's real name is Tina Brandon.
00:18:50And I just kind of looked at it.
00:18:52I was like, what?
00:18:53It's like, yes, it is a woman, not a man.
00:18:56I was like, there's no way.
00:18:58I said, that is not a woman.
00:18:59I said, you don't even look like a woman.
00:19:01I don't think in the beginning they realized it.
00:19:04But after I made the arrest and charged her as a female,
00:19:09the girl's down at Fall City.
00:19:11I informed them that she was in jail.
00:19:13And they said, what do you mean, she?
00:19:16And I said, well, Brandon is a female.
00:19:19And they said, no, she's not.
00:19:20And I said, yes, she is.
00:19:23And that's when I first got out down at Fall City that she was really a female.
00:19:27And I don't know if they really believed it or not.
00:19:32But, well, I would say in some sense, a lot of people didn't believe, you know.
00:19:37But they sure wondered.
00:19:39And, uh, I don't know, it just got worse.
00:19:47December 21st, 1993.
00:19:49Dear Mom,
00:19:51I do not know if you know where I'm at now or what I'm doing.
00:19:55Well, you can quit guessing and let me tell you.
00:19:58As of right now, I'm in the Fall City County Jail.
00:20:00I've been here for six days.
00:20:03I turned myself in.
00:20:06I'm tired of running from my problems and people.
00:20:09I've been so lost lately I can't even cry.
00:20:13I was sick last night.
00:20:14I was throwing up.
00:20:16I've lost five pounds in here, but I did pull-ups and push-ups and tighten up my muscles.
00:20:22Well, gotta go.
00:20:24Love you always and forever.
00:20:25Brandon.
00:20:29Lana's father gave her, uh, a check with his, just his signature on it.
00:20:34She was to go to a beauty shop and get herself a perm.
00:20:39Well, Brandon was in jail.
00:20:41She went ahead and took the check to Hinky Dinkies and wrote it out for $250,
00:20:46which was enough bond to get Brandon out of jail.
00:20:49She tried to get him out of jail and she could not do it because at that time she was
00:20:53only, I believe, 18,
00:20:54or she was not old enough to do it.
00:20:56So she gave Tom Neeson the money and Tom went and bonded Brandon out.
00:21:01And, uh, they went to Tom Neeson's house and this is where they stayed.
00:21:07He wrote this, I think it was the night Brandon got out of jail.
00:21:13So, flashing you is not the easy, is not that easy.
00:21:16I wish you could understand.
00:21:18I'm not yet comfortable with myself.
00:21:20I will never try to hurt you.
00:21:22And I, I want to leave because I am not wanted here.
00:21:26And it's the same shit.
00:21:28And I want to leave so you have no more hell either.
00:21:33Just so you are not worried, I do understand how you feel and your, and your situation.
00:21:41I'm so sorry.
00:21:43I just want it to be a moment where I am not pressured and forced.
00:21:50That scares me and makes me more uncomfortable.
00:21:54Sorry.
00:21:55Love Brandon.
00:21:56And he wrote this the night I got Brandon out of jail.
00:22:00What a difference a day made.
00:22:08Twenty-four little hours.
00:22:16What the sun and the flowers.
00:22:24Where there used to be rain.
00:22:30My yesterday was blue, dear.
00:22:39Today I'm a part of you, dear.
00:22:46My lonely nights are through, dear.
00:22:55Since you said you were mine.
00:23:02Lord, what a difference a day makes.
00:23:08Leaving there, you know, we let him serve his time.
00:23:12Then he didn't get the hell out of here.
00:23:13I said, what does he think he's doing bringing this shit to a small town like this?
00:23:16You know, he just needs to get the fuck out of here.
00:23:19I told her, I said, something's going to happen if he don't get out of here.
00:23:24I was mad at him, but I was worried about what would happen to him if he stayed there.
00:23:29Just a big concern was Brandon's gender.
00:23:34Between Lana, Lana's mom, and Lana's dad.
00:23:38I was very upset with it.
00:23:40I did not want Lana in the situation with Brandon any longer.
00:23:45So I left the bar and went to Tom Neeson's house.
00:23:51And Brandon and I went into the back bedroom, and I was talking to Brandon.
00:23:55I said, just prove to me right now if you are a man or a woman.
00:24:00I said, I don't care.
00:24:01I said, all I want to know is the truth.
00:24:04Brandon unsnapped his pants and pulled him down just so far where I could see there was a hairline.
00:24:11Some hair.
00:24:12But Brandon wouldn't continue showing me.
00:24:17And about that time, Tom Neeson walked into the bedroom, and he says,
00:24:22Brandon, just pull your pants down and show her.
00:24:24It's all she wants to know.
00:24:25Yeah, she didn't like Brandon.
00:24:27She didn't.
00:24:28And either did Linda.
00:24:30And either did Melissa.
00:24:31The only one did was Lana because she was just so really, I mean, she was, actually, she was really
00:24:36brainwashed.
00:24:37And I think even still today, she's probably still half-assed brainwashed.
00:24:40I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if she's still calling him a he.
00:24:43He, he, and no one damn well says she.
00:24:45I don't know what the big thing was, but the cops told me and Brandon to go in the room
00:24:50for me to find out and all this.
00:24:52So me and Brandon went in there.
00:24:53You know, and he, he didn't buy his pants and everything.
00:24:56I said, Brandon, you don't have to do that.
00:24:57I said, I'm not going to look.
00:24:58I said, I'm going to tell them what we want them to know or what we believe.
00:25:03I walked out there, and they said, so do you know, is he a woman or a man?
00:25:07I said, he is a man.
00:25:08They said, did you see?
00:25:09And I said, yes, I've seen it in the flesh.
00:25:12I said, that is a poor man.
00:25:13And I will leave him alone.
00:25:15Brandon says, I'd never hurt Lana.
00:25:19And, but yet, Brandon still didn't want to reveal the truth.
00:25:24That's about the only thing we talked and yelled about.
00:25:27I even shoved Brandon back into the dresser, just pushed him backwards into the dresser,
00:25:34and then the dresser hit the window and cracked the window.
00:25:38But I was only there acting as a concerned mother.
00:25:41I wasn't there to cut him down or do any of that.
00:25:44I just really wanted the truth.
00:25:47My mom was disgusted.
00:25:49She couldn't believe it.
00:25:50She kept on wanting me to get away from him and all this,
00:25:54because she said, them kind of people have AIDS.
00:25:57And I told her, no, he does not have AIDS.
00:26:00I think it was just such a big shock, you know,
00:26:04finding out that somebody that had told us that he was a man
00:26:08and made everybody believe slept with my best friend.
00:26:11You know, find out that this is a woman.
00:26:14It's just knowing that somebody could get into your mind like that,
00:26:18and, I don't know, just manipulate you like that.
00:26:22Making you think a totally different thing than what's really happening.
00:26:28You know, nothing that he'd ever told us was true, obviously.
00:26:32Everything was a lie.
00:26:34It just totally blew everybody's mind.
00:26:55When Tom grabbed Brandon, Tom had his arms under Brandon like this,
00:27:00just holding him like this, with his arms like this,
00:27:02and then John handed him his pants and pulled him down to his ankles.
00:27:10So, what did you do?
00:27:12The first thing I did was cover my eyes.
00:27:14I covered my eyes and I kind of turned around.
00:27:16And John said, well, you better look,
00:27:18if you don't, we're going to hold him like this until you do look.
00:27:22And so I turned around and I had my eyes like this,
00:27:24and I turned around and I peeked a little bit,
00:27:26and then I covered him and I turned back around.
00:27:29Tom held your arms.
00:27:30Which way was he standing?
00:27:31Beside you, behind you, or what?
00:27:33Behind you.
00:27:34How did he hold you?
00:27:36How was that?
00:27:38Then he took him, Tom, or, uh,
00:27:41down under your pants, right?
00:27:43He pulled your pants down how far?
00:27:46From me.
00:27:47Past your knees.
00:27:48How far did he pull your underpants down?
00:27:51What did you have in your underpants?
00:27:54Nothing in your underpants?
00:27:56At least part of my earlier, he had a sock,
00:27:58but not only pulled my pants down, I didn't.
00:28:00He didn't have a sock.
00:28:01He, um, run around once and all the sock,
00:28:03and your pants make you look like a boy?
00:28:06Yep.
00:28:08All right, so after you pulled your pants down,
00:28:10he seen you as a girl, what did he do?
00:28:12Did he find her you any?
00:28:13He didn't find her you any, huh?
00:28:15Didn't that kind of amaze you?
00:28:18After he pulled your pants down,
00:28:20and he wanted to take you to bed,
00:28:21and you told him no, that he was a boy,
00:28:22and he couldn't do that,
00:28:23doesn't that kind of get your attention somehow,
00:28:26that he would have put his hands in your pants
00:28:27and played with you a little bit?
00:28:29Huh?
00:28:30I don't know why.
00:28:31I can't believe that if he pulled your pants down,
00:28:33and you're a female,
00:28:34and he didn't see his hands in you,
00:28:36or his finger in you.
00:28:38I didn't.
00:28:38I can't believe he didn't.
00:28:43Tom's pulling down her pants,
00:28:44and he put his finger up there and said,
00:28:46oh, you know, there's something, you know,
00:28:50there ain't nothing there.
00:28:51She's a girl, you know,
00:28:52and I said, well, I saw something.
00:28:55You know, I looked at Brandon,
00:28:56I said, what was it I saw?
00:28:58You know, just playing it off, you know.
00:29:00So he reached over and grabbed Brandon,
00:29:03and grabbed him by the neck,
00:29:05and was holding him,
00:29:06and he couldn't breathe,
00:29:08and Brandon kept on looking at me,
00:29:10and I think he was trying to say help,
00:29:12but he couldn't get it out
00:29:13because John was so tight on his throat.
00:29:15Well, I got John's hand, you know,
00:29:17I was firing his hand off his throat,
00:29:19and I got his hand off his throat,
00:29:20you know, and Brandon, you know,
00:29:21started to rub his throat and everything,
00:29:23because, you know, I can imagine,
00:29:24you know, John's hand, you know, on his throat,
00:29:27and I asked Brandon,
00:29:29and I said, Brandon,
00:29:29they say my mom just went over to the house,
00:29:31and she wants me to come home,
00:29:33but I can come back.
00:29:34She just wants to talk to me.
00:29:35I said, is it okay?
00:29:36I said, if you don't want me to go,
00:29:38I won't go.
00:29:38I will stay here with you,
00:29:39and he said, that's okay.
00:29:41Just go, but don't leave me.
00:29:43Come back.
00:29:44I said, I will be back.
00:29:46I said, is it okay if Tom stays in here with you?
00:29:49And he said, yeah, that's fine,
00:29:50because Tom hasn't really done anything to him
00:29:52except for, you know, the pantsing,
00:29:54but I don't think he was scared of Tom.
00:29:56I think it was more of John.
00:29:59And so I left,
00:30:00and Tom said they're with him.
00:30:03Tom looked at me and he goes,
00:30:04John, I need to talk to you.
00:30:06I said, okay, I'm walking back.
00:30:09I'm walking back,
00:30:10and John turned around and held the door.
00:30:13Tom hit me once.
00:30:14I fell in the tub.
00:30:16He said, like, I didn't hit me again.
00:30:18I'm falling forward, kicking loose.
00:30:20I'm hung up on him.
00:30:21Step in my back.
00:30:24And he picked me up and carried me out
00:30:26to the car on my team.
00:30:30I got in my face just when I knew
00:30:32something was going to happen.
00:30:33That's the one.
00:30:35I did exactly what I did.
00:30:36I did quit.
00:30:38Tom told me he did it.
00:30:39He didn't even make it to me.
00:30:40He didn't make it hurt.
00:30:42He did it.
00:30:43I think he said, daddy,
00:30:44he didn't even get it.
00:30:45I'll get the shit out of him
00:30:46and then that happened anyway.
00:30:48That was happened.
00:30:49I didn't.
00:30:54I mean, you guys can sit there
00:30:56and shake your fucking heads.
00:30:57No, but I told you.
00:30:58I told both of you.
00:31:00Well, not both of you
00:31:01because I don't think
00:31:02I talked to you on the phone.
00:31:03But, Susan, I told you on the phone
00:31:05there's going to be some things
00:31:06I cannot answer
00:31:07because they could endanger
00:31:09or whatever my appeal process.
00:31:11He wasn't even on top of her yet.
00:31:13But, you know,
00:31:14he was doing something
00:31:16with getting something
00:31:18out of a coat and stuff
00:31:19which I found out later
00:31:20was a rubber, you know,
00:31:21and, you know,
00:31:23and then, you know,
00:31:25a little bit later
00:31:25he was out of the car
00:31:26and he came to me, you know,
00:31:27and said, well, you know,
00:31:29you want to go back there
00:31:30and stuff like that, you know.
00:31:32And I went back, you know.
00:31:33I was stupid.
00:31:34I went back, you know.
00:31:36But I didn't have sex with her, you know.
00:31:38I went back there and I tried
00:31:40but I couldn't keep it up too drunk.
00:31:42I was thinking of my fiancee
00:31:44at the time too much
00:31:45and couldn't get it up.
00:31:49So when they got ready to poke you,
00:31:53how was you positioned in the back seat?
00:31:55On my back.
00:31:56He was on your back.
00:31:59And when they tried to stop you
00:32:00in the first half?
00:32:03I was on it.
00:32:05They tried to stay in your back down
00:32:06and you say you've never had sex before.
00:32:08Is that correct?
00:32:09Right.
00:32:10And which one do I do this first?
00:32:12And Tom couldn't get it in you?
00:32:15He said he couldn't get it in you.
00:32:18He said he couldn't get you.
00:32:19He said he couldn't get it in.
00:32:21Well, I know what it hurts.
00:32:22I don't know what it hurts.
00:32:25I don't know what it hurts.
00:32:25What area is going to hurt?
00:32:28I did ejaculate in the rubber
00:32:31because of the going up and down
00:32:35and the rubbing, you know,
00:32:37when I did get it up,
00:32:39trying to proceed to put it,
00:32:43you know, have sex with her.
00:32:44But every time it would go down
00:32:47and because of that, you know,
00:32:49I, you know, ejaculated.
00:32:51And I said, fuck it.
00:32:52And it got up, you know.
00:32:56The first one was Tom.
00:32:57Is that that?
00:32:58Yes, sir.
00:32:59Then Tom got out and what did he do?
00:33:03Then what happened?
00:33:05Yeah, we got him.
00:33:07And then when John got the vaccine,
00:33:12what did he do?
00:33:13He did anything that Tom did.
00:33:14All right.
00:33:16After he got his pants down,
00:33:18he got a spread of you,
00:33:19or had you spread out,
00:33:20and he got a spread of you then.
00:33:21Then what happened?
00:33:23He was sick.
00:33:25Yeah, I got him.
00:33:26I got him.
00:33:28Well, how did,
00:33:29let's back up here for a second.
00:33:30First of all,
00:33:31you didn't say that he might have
00:33:32getting it up.
00:33:32Did he have a hard on
00:33:33when he got back there or what?
00:33:34I don't know.
00:33:35I didn't look.
00:33:37He didn't look.
00:33:38Did he take a little time
00:33:39working it up or what?
00:33:40Did you work it up for him?
00:33:42No, I didn't.
00:33:43You didn't work it up for him?
00:33:45No.
00:33:46Then do you think
00:33:47you had it worked up
00:33:47on each other or what?
00:33:50I guess I don't know.
00:33:52And you've never had
00:33:53any sex before?
00:33:54No.
00:33:55Calibrate?
00:33:56No.
00:33:58And if you're 21,
00:33:59you think you'd have
00:33:59trouble getting it in?
00:34:03You know,
00:34:04she was very, very quiet.
00:34:05She didn't say nothing.
00:34:06You know,
00:34:06she said ouch a few times,
00:34:08you know.
00:34:09You know,
00:34:10that's it,
00:34:10you know.
00:34:13Tom says,
00:34:14nobody will hear about this.
00:34:16Right.
00:34:18Oh, yeah.
00:34:22I got out of the car,
00:34:25blocked the bag.
00:34:27I've been able to track me again.
00:34:29He never hit me in the face this time.
00:34:31Part of the lady,
00:34:32he just hit me in the bed.
00:34:34I'm bad.
00:34:36I can get it for a free time
00:34:37and miss the time.
00:34:39I got that.
00:34:39I mean,
00:34:41I don't know that.
00:34:42I got Tom and I'm done.
00:34:46I'm in the car.
00:34:49I just sit back here
00:34:50and say what to do.
00:34:53Because he was still praying.
00:34:58And what he said?
00:35:00Yeah.
00:35:02I got that.
00:35:04I'll say
00:35:06I got to Tom, Tom.
00:35:11I felt
00:35:17ashamed.
00:35:23I felt ashamed
00:35:24that
00:35:24that someone
00:35:26would
00:35:27make alleged charges
00:35:29against me
00:35:30that
00:35:30I had participated
00:35:32in a rape.
00:35:38Her biggest fear
00:35:39was to be touched
00:35:41by a man
00:35:43to possibly be raped
00:35:45by a man
00:35:45because she was a man.
00:35:49the very thought
00:35:50of a man
00:35:50touching her body
00:35:52erotically
00:35:52made her vomit
00:35:55and terrified her.
00:35:57Absolutely terrified her.
00:35:59She said,
00:35:59I would be just sick
00:36:00if a man kissed me
00:36:02or touched me.
00:36:05and it happened.
00:36:07My husband on
00:36:08is Brandon
00:36:09and he was out of breath.
00:36:10He was cold
00:36:11and a little fat lip
00:36:13and he was bloody
00:36:14and yucky
00:36:15and he had no shoes on.
00:36:18No shoes at all.
00:36:18He had one shirt on
00:36:20and he usually wears two.
00:36:21He wears a t-shirt
00:36:22and a shirt over it
00:36:23and the only shirt
00:36:23he had on
00:36:24was the shirt
00:36:25he wears over the t-shirt
00:36:26and his pants
00:36:27were all dirty
00:36:28and he was just
00:36:29he can't hardly breathe
00:36:31and I asked him
00:36:32what happened
00:36:32and that's when he said
00:36:33you know
00:36:34they beat the shit
00:36:35out of me.
00:36:35I said who
00:36:36and he said Tom
00:36:37and then later on
00:36:38after I think
00:36:39it got easier for him
00:36:40he said Tom
00:36:41beat the shit
00:36:41out of him
00:36:42and John raped him
00:36:43and he said
00:36:44well they both raped me
00:36:45but Tom
00:36:47is on
00:36:47and they beat the shit
00:36:48out of me.
00:36:49Brandon did not want
00:36:50to turn it into
00:36:51the cops or anything
00:36:53and I told Brandon
00:36:54I says
00:36:55I don't care
00:36:57you know
00:36:59what you do
00:36:59with your life
00:37:00or what you want to be
00:37:01is your business
00:37:02I don't care
00:37:02I said
00:37:03but nobody
00:37:04Brandon
00:37:05nobody deserves
00:37:06to be raped.
00:37:08I didn't
00:37:08not raped
00:37:09but kidnapped
00:37:11and taken out there
00:37:12and beaten
00:37:13because I didn't know
00:37:14at that time
00:37:14that Brandon
00:37:15was actually raped.
00:37:39you know what I'm saying
00:37:40is that
00:37:40I think you misunderstood
00:37:42the question
00:37:43did they do it
00:37:44one time for you
00:37:45and then the other guy
00:37:45do one time
00:37:46and quit
00:37:46or did one guy do it
00:37:48then the other guy do it
00:37:49then the other guy come back
00:37:50and do it again
00:37:50and the other guy come back
00:37:51and do it again
00:37:53they each did it once
00:37:55you want to file charges
00:37:56against these guys
00:37:59you decide to complain
00:38:00against them
00:38:03will you testify
00:38:04in court against them
00:38:05yes sir
00:38:08I confronted them
00:38:10and
00:38:12I told them
00:38:13what
00:38:13Brandon's accusations were
00:38:15and they were trying
00:38:16to tell me
00:38:17it was a bunch of bull
00:38:18and then when I brought up
00:38:19the deal
00:38:20I said
00:38:20well
00:38:20it's been reported
00:38:22and if you guys
00:38:22did anything
00:38:23you better get rid
00:38:24of your evidence
00:38:24I did say that
00:38:26and Tom
00:38:27went to the kitchen
00:38:28got a pan
00:38:29of soapy water
00:38:30and a rag
00:38:31and came back
00:38:33into the room
00:38:35on the north side
00:38:37of the living room
00:38:37and washed up
00:38:39a little spot
00:38:39on the floor
00:38:40and on the wall
00:38:42but I went there
00:38:44because I didn't believe
00:38:45Brandon
00:38:45and then when I saw
00:38:46Tom do that
00:38:47I knew for sure
00:38:48then that they were
00:38:49responsible
00:38:50for doing all this
00:38:54let's talk about
00:38:55the assault
00:38:55of Tina Brandon
00:38:58did you physically
00:38:59assault Tina Brandon
00:39:00in your home
00:39:01on December 25th
00:39:02yes
00:39:02did you punch her
00:39:04yes
00:39:04did you kick her
00:39:05not that I can recall
00:39:08when you were out
00:39:08in the country
00:39:09with Tina Brandon
00:39:10before you sexually
00:39:11assaulted her
00:39:11did you punch and kick her
00:39:12yes
00:39:13did you beat her
00:39:13about the face
00:39:14excuse me
00:39:14I did not kick her
00:39:15I'm sorry
00:39:16did you beat her
00:39:17about the face
00:39:18I punched her
00:39:19yes
00:39:20did you then
00:39:20sexually assault her
00:39:21yes
00:39:22did you then beat her
00:39:23after you had
00:39:24sexually assaulted her
00:39:25I made her
00:39:26yes
00:39:26why did you hit her
00:39:28because I was upset
00:39:30oh I see
00:39:32you just sexually
00:39:33assaulted her
00:39:34raped her
00:39:35and you were upset
00:39:36so you did
00:39:37you beat her in the stomach
00:39:38and threw her to the ground
00:39:39yes
00:39:40you know
00:39:41they're like
00:39:41they were the lower echelon
00:39:43in prison
00:39:43when they get out
00:39:45they got a grudge
00:39:46against everybody
00:39:47and when they get a chance
00:39:48to strike out
00:39:49at somebody
00:39:50to even up the odds
00:39:52you know
00:39:52I mean
00:39:53it's
00:39:53you can see it
00:39:55right with John
00:39:55you know
00:39:56he was
00:39:57I mean
00:39:57you know
00:39:58pushed around
00:39:59picked on
00:39:59you know
00:40:00I mean
00:40:02sexually assaulted
00:40:03you know
00:40:03I mean
00:40:05when you
00:40:06when you got out of prison
00:40:07and all that shit
00:40:08had happened to you
00:40:08I mean
00:40:09any human being
00:40:10you know
00:40:11the first time
00:40:11somebody
00:40:13you know
00:40:13tries to intimidate you
00:40:15or scare you
00:40:16or take something from you
00:40:17and you're out on the streets
00:40:19where you can get something
00:40:20to equal up the odds
00:40:23you're not gonna let it happen
00:40:24you know
00:40:25unless you enjoy that
00:40:26you know
00:40:26I mean
00:40:27and I don't know anybody
00:40:28that enjoys getting something
00:40:29took from them
00:40:30and
00:40:31you can just see it with John
00:40:32you know
00:40:33he had a chance to be the bulldog
00:40:36he had a chance to be the intimidator
00:40:38you know
00:40:39it's my turn now
00:40:40where was the law?
00:40:42what was the law doing?
00:40:43if she identified her rapist
00:40:45why didn't they go to the hospital
00:40:47from there?
00:40:47why didn't they pick them?
00:40:48it's not like nobody knew
00:40:50who Nissen and Lotta were
00:40:52it's not like
00:40:52well where are they?
00:40:53we can't find them right now
00:40:55oh they're hiding
00:40:56I mean
00:40:57they were there
00:41:19because I knew
00:41:20that
00:41:21if I took the polygraph
00:41:22they would know
00:41:24that Tom
00:41:25had went back there
00:41:26and had sex
00:41:27and that I went back there
00:41:28and tried to have sex
00:41:29you know
00:41:30even though I knew
00:41:31that it was
00:41:32as far as I knew
00:41:33consensual
00:41:34I knew
00:41:35that Keith Hayes
00:41:36just being the person he is
00:41:38no no no
00:41:39he'd be like
00:41:40that's all I need
00:41:41and I'd go back to prison
00:41:43because they wouldn't
00:41:43give a fuck what I said
00:41:44you know
00:41:45both of them being in prison
00:41:47both of them realizing
00:41:48they were going back
00:41:48and rape carries 50 years
00:41:51both of them being ex-felons
00:41:52they were going to get
00:41:53some time out of that
00:41:55and they figured
00:41:56you know
00:41:56just
00:41:56you know
00:41:57if we can
00:41:58shut her up
00:41:59you know
00:42:00if we can take care
00:42:01of the one that's
00:42:01pressing charges
00:42:02we ain't going back
00:42:05so that
00:42:05that's exactly
00:42:06why they had to do that
00:42:07you know
00:42:08I can see that
00:42:10well
00:42:10they were just
00:42:11alleged charges
00:42:15so
00:42:20I wasn't real worried
00:42:21they were just
00:42:23alleged charges
00:42:25no charges were filed
00:42:27or nothing like that
00:42:31when I woke up
00:42:32that next morning
00:42:33Lester looked at me
00:42:34and said
00:42:34my boyfriend was a faggot
00:42:36and I asked him
00:42:37how he could have been
00:42:38a faggot
00:42:39when I was actually
00:42:40a she
00:42:41and Tom
00:42:42you know
00:42:44and Tom
00:42:45raped a girl
00:42:46he wasn't a boy
00:42:48and Lester looked at me
00:42:49and said Tom's a faggot
00:42:51and he just ought to
00:42:52come out
00:42:53and tell me that
00:42:59after this sexual assault
00:43:04didn't you get some
00:43:07some teasing Mr. Neeson
00:43:09didn't some people
00:43:12didn't Melissa Wisdom
00:43:13tell you people
00:43:14were calling you a pervert
00:43:15remember that
00:43:16no
00:43:17well you just had sex
00:43:20forcible sex
00:43:22with a woman
00:43:22with a woman
00:43:23who was dressing
00:43:23as a man
00:43:24how did you feel
00:43:25about that
00:43:26I didn't feel very good
00:43:27about it at all
00:43:29and you got angry
00:43:30about that
00:43:32angry about what
00:43:33angry about Tina Brandon
00:43:35you're the one
00:43:36that was interested
00:43:37in finding out
00:43:37whether Tina Brandon
00:43:38was a man or a woman
00:43:39along with a lot of energy
00:43:42but you're the only one
00:43:43that pulled her pants down
00:43:44as far as I know
00:43:46and as far as you know
00:43:48you're the only one
00:43:49that raped Tina Brandon
00:43:50on that night
00:43:52yes
00:43:56well you know
00:43:58I've pondered that
00:43:59for quite a while
00:43:59since all this has happened
00:44:01and
00:44:03you know you have a
00:44:04you have a girl
00:44:06you have a person
00:44:07that first says she's a boy
00:44:09then turns out to be a girl
00:44:13who has
00:44:14has
00:44:16you know
00:44:17done some forgeries
00:44:18of their friends
00:44:19checkbooks and stuff
00:44:20and have been in trouble
00:44:21with the law before
00:44:23and then all of a sudden
00:44:24comes up and says
00:44:25this guy
00:44:26and this guy raped me
00:44:27well if we did that
00:44:28in society
00:44:29we'd have half
00:44:30we'd have a lot of men
00:44:31locked up
00:44:33why do you run around
00:44:34with girls
00:44:34instead of
00:44:35guys
00:44:36being a girl yourself
00:44:39why do you run around
00:44:41with girls
00:44:41instead of guys
00:44:42being you're a girl
00:44:44yourself
00:44:44why do you make girls
00:44:46think you're a guy
00:44:50I'm just right side in
00:44:51yeah
00:44:52I'm just right side in
00:44:53you go around
00:44:54kissing the other girls
00:44:56what
00:44:57and I don't know
00:44:58about me
00:45:00the ones
00:45:01the girls
00:45:01that don't know
00:45:02about you
00:45:02thinks you're a guy
00:45:03do you kiss them
00:45:08because I'm trying
00:45:09to get some answers
00:45:10so I know exactly
00:45:11what's going on
00:45:13now
00:45:13you want to answer
00:45:14that question for me
00:45:15or not
00:45:16I don't see why
00:45:17I have to
00:45:17huh
00:45:18I don't see why
00:45:19I have to
00:45:20the only thing
00:45:21is if it goes to court
00:45:22that answer
00:45:23that question
00:45:24is going to come up
00:45:24in court
00:45:25and I'm going to
00:45:26want an answer
00:45:27for it before
00:45:27it goes to court
00:45:28see what I'm saying
00:45:29because I have a
00:45:30sexual identity
00:45:31person
00:45:32you're what
00:45:33I have a sexual
00:45:34identity person
00:45:39you want to
00:45:39explain that
00:45:43I look like
00:45:44I'm going to come back
00:45:47that day that I took
00:45:48after the rape
00:45:49I took Lana
00:45:53and Brandon
00:45:54up to the sheriff's office
00:45:56and they wanted to
00:45:57talk to me first
00:45:58yeah
00:45:58and they called me
00:45:59back there
00:45:59and of course
00:46:00I was saying
00:46:01he
00:46:01and I said
00:46:01I mean she
00:46:02and Locke says
00:46:04oh just call it it
00:46:06Sheriff Locke was like
00:46:08this is my job
00:46:09and I'll do it
00:46:09and I don't need your help
00:46:10and I'm like
00:46:11well evidently you do
00:46:12because these two guys
00:46:13have not been arrested
00:46:15and she's given you
00:46:16their names
00:46:17and here she's scared
00:46:18to death
00:46:19you know
00:46:19and I told them
00:46:20that they had threatened
00:46:21her
00:46:21and he hung up on me
00:46:42it's my understanding
00:46:44that they were having
00:46:45some difficulty
00:46:47in regard to
00:46:48cooperation of her story
00:46:49and also
00:46:50regard to
00:46:51actual cooperation
00:46:54from her
00:46:55and also
00:46:56some of the other
00:46:57potential witnesses
00:46:58Tina Brandon was a liar
00:47:03I mean
00:47:04you can't believe a liar
00:47:06I mean
00:47:06you'd have to check it out
00:47:08first
00:47:08before it ever
00:47:09took place
00:47:10and that
00:47:11and like
00:47:12when she was raped
00:47:12and all this kind of crap
00:47:14Lisa had to take her
00:47:15to the hospital
00:47:16and all this
00:47:17and force her
00:47:18to do this
00:47:19to prove
00:47:20that she was raped
00:47:25and
00:47:27I think the law
00:47:28had
00:47:29I mean
00:47:29they can't jump in
00:47:31and go
00:47:32because
00:47:33well nowadays
00:47:34you can sue on a nickel
00:47:39and that
00:47:39and so
00:47:42I think
00:47:42they handled it
00:47:43fairly well
00:47:44myself
00:47:44I mean
00:47:45you know
00:47:45for what they had
00:47:46to work with
00:47:48now if they was
00:47:48working with
00:47:49somebody who was honest
00:47:52and that
00:47:52hadn't done the same thing
00:47:53then I thought
00:47:54it was a rotten deal
00:47:56sir
00:47:56sir throughout the time
00:47:57that you
00:47:59had the occasion
00:48:00to interview
00:48:00Tina Brandon
00:48:02was she consistent
00:48:03in her story to you
00:48:05yes sir
00:48:06did you ever know
00:48:07any signs of deception
00:48:09in the story
00:48:10that she was
00:48:10relating to you
00:48:12I never know
00:48:14and did you believe it
00:48:16yes
00:48:17and she seemed so different
00:48:19after the rape
00:48:19I mean it was almost like
00:48:21she was
00:48:22they'd already killed
00:48:23everything that was
00:48:26you know
00:48:27happy and
00:48:27she was just
00:48:30really
00:48:31different
00:48:31there was just
00:48:33something different
00:48:34in her voice
00:48:34and stuff
00:48:35I mean
00:48:35it's got to be
00:48:36really traumatic
00:48:37to go through
00:48:37I can't even imagine
00:48:40and she had made
00:48:41the statement
00:48:41that
00:48:41and she was
00:48:43not giving you
00:48:43the satisfaction
00:48:44she didn't even cry
00:48:44she told her sister
00:48:45why this was going on
00:48:46because she wouldn't
00:48:47give them the satisfaction
00:48:49she was more
00:48:50intimidated by everybody
00:48:52she
00:48:53I don't know
00:48:53she was
00:48:54kind of scared
00:48:56real quiet
00:48:57Brandon was never quiet
00:49:01kept a lot to herself
00:49:02did a lot of cleaning
00:49:06I don't think anybody
00:49:07really cared about her
00:49:08they just wanted her out
00:49:10away
00:49:12I particularly didn't care
00:49:14what happened to her
00:49:14at that point
00:49:15I was pretty mad at her
00:49:16myself
00:49:17I didn't want her
00:49:18to be beat
00:49:18if I had been there
00:49:19I would have stopped that
00:49:21but
00:49:22I wanted her to go back
00:49:23to Lincoln
00:49:24I wanted her away
00:49:55I wanted her back to her
00:50:16and i knocked again and when i knocked the second time i said i could hear tanner i
00:50:23hear the baby crying then in the background and i thought well that's strange that she's not getting
00:50:30up to take care baby i knocked two or three times and then i decided i'm just going on in
00:50:36and soon
00:50:38as of course soon as i stepped into the living room then i well and at first i think i
00:50:45denied
00:50:46there was anything wrong i just seen this negro sitting on the floor with the coffee table over
00:50:52his lap and i thought this is strange but yet you know and i knew then there was something wrong
00:50:58but
00:50:58yet i just telling myself you know there wasn't and i just walked right on through the house the
00:51:05baby was just screaming and so i just walked right on in there and walked straight to his crib didn't
00:51:12look at anything else and picked him up and when i turned to leave then i looked over to the
00:51:18bed of
00:51:19course i could tell when i went in and there was something wrong in there because i just looked
00:51:23across the bed and seen lisa on the far side next to the window and i knew i could tell
00:51:29by looking
00:51:29there was nothing i could do to help her anymore that i needed to help tanner and to get help
00:51:37there
00:51:38to get law people there sheriff deputies were called to the house around nine o'clock friday morning where
00:51:44they found the bodies of 21 year old tina brandon of lincoln 22 year old philip devine of iowa and
00:51:5023 year old lisa lambert of humboldt while two of the shooting victims were from out of town friends
00:51:56of humboldt victim lisa lambert say the news of her death was especially hard to take she never did
00:52:01anything to anybody she had never had an enemy so it's total shock and nothing ever like like that
00:52:09happens here in humboldt police report lisa's nine month old son who was found in the home was the
00:52:14only one to escape injury but will probably take a long time for this quiet town in southeast nebraska
00:52:20to heal its wounds following a new year's tragedy which could leave a lasting scar in this close-knit
00:52:25community i walked in and seen one male individual uh partially on a chick couch parts on the floor
00:52:32locked to a bedroom seeing two female individuals in a bed all three were deceased my opinion all three
00:52:42were executed and it's one of those things where the only thing i think that kept the child from being
00:52:53killed was its age because it could say you did it you did it and i think that's the only
00:53:01thing that
00:53:02kept the child alive and the fact that they run out of ammo i pulled up into the driveway there
00:53:11and
00:53:11they said just go on larson got out and come around it's my side of the door and that and
00:53:18he says uh
00:53:21leave
00:53:23i says i'm not leaving i said what the hell is going on he says there's been a trouble homicide
00:53:28down there
00:53:30he says and i didn't know how to tell you i said you got to tell me straight out i
00:53:36says
00:53:38where's tanner he's all right but he says your daughter's gone
00:53:45he said now will you please leave i said okay so then i i just backed up and i took
00:53:51off back home in
00:53:53i do know that when i touched her head because i couldn't you know i just wanted to hold her
00:53:58so
00:53:58much that i couldn't touch her head anywhere that there wasn't bumps on it so i i her i mean
00:54:06there
00:54:06wasn't a space on her head that didn't have a bump on top of her head or anything but i
00:54:10did look and
00:54:11i could see that and she still had bruises that you could see i said let me alone i want
00:54:16to go to
00:54:17the bar so i drove back and went to the bar and we sat there and we drank i drank
00:54:23three or four beers in
00:54:26and i said i'm going to go to steener and the poly smith is garage there i says that clutch
00:54:35just
00:54:35ain't working just right yet i saw see what what i screwed up on her now because i didn't know
00:54:41that
00:54:41much about a hydraulic clutch and so then i pulled over there i said i'll be home i says give
00:54:48me two
00:54:48hours i'll be home but i am grateful for as much as i've known tenna and love tenna that it
00:54:55was over
00:54:55quickly what hurts me is the rape and the non-action and at christmas time i mean
00:55:05when the whole world is talking about peace love fellowship this is what you're gonna notice
00:55:11yeah you have the murder you have the rape she had to be raped on christmas eve and murdered new
00:55:16year's eve this afternoon authorities revealed that john lauder and marvin nissen of fall city
00:55:21are being held in connection with the three deaths the two men were already in custody yesterday
00:55:27afternoon on an arrest warrant for the kidnapping and sexual assault of shooting victim tina brandon
00:55:33back on christmas day a fall city woman who dated tina brandon under the assumption that she was a
00:55:39he told 10 11 news why she believes the two suspects assaulted tina they said that that was why they
00:55:45did they depanced him is because of me because they seen i was going down because of all of it
00:55:50and that
00:55:51they did it to show me that it was a female and for me to just turn around and walk
00:55:55away lana says she
00:55:56knows both of the men charged in the assault her sister leslie lost her boyfriend philip devine in the
00:56:01tragic shooting also devine pictured here in the middle was in town for the week visiting leslie's
00:56:06family and had gone over to the farmhouse following an argument between the two placing him in the
00:56:11wrong place at the wrong time sometime during that day i had heard that john was arrested for the murders
00:56:20so i went to the courthouse to find out what was going on and found a cop and he said
00:56:25that he was
00:56:26arrested for rape not murder how did i hear anybody was murdered by nightfall we already knew that john
00:56:34had stolen a gun and we'd also recovered that gun but we'd already made the arrest by that time but
00:56:41we'd
00:56:41arrested him for the sexual assaults at that time and uh of course then he went ahead and he's going
00:56:48ahead and said yes we was out there and killed those three people well that kind of gives you an
00:56:52indication that uh but as far as a warrant no you don't need one they did good so i believe
00:57:03that
00:57:03probable cause to arrest him from sexual assault and when did you make that determination officer
00:57:13i made determination after probably interviewing mr nason mr lauder but that was on december 28th
00:57:22yeah and at that time on december 28th you were a member of the false the richards county sheriff's
00:57:28office right yes it was and on that date you were empowered to arrest for felony offenses within the
00:57:34confines of richards richardson county yes i was and did you place either individual under arrest on that
00:57:40date i would advise not to and who advised you not to do that mr locke's advised that we should
00:57:47prepare
00:57:48reports as normal protocol and send them to the county attorney based on the fact that you did not
00:57:54make arrests he was the man in charge the one responsible for making that decision he's my boss
00:58:00i got to do what he says yes but the county attorney says that officials continue to move forward with
00:58:05their investigation into the alleged rape and kidnapping of tina brandon despite inconsistencies in her story
00:58:11the people responsible for these homicides is not the sheriff's department and the police department
00:58:18it's the defendants that are in court today if convicted on the three counts of first-degree murder
00:58:23both john lauder and tom neason could face the death penalty friends of shooting victim tina brandon
00:58:29pictured here on the left say the woman's portrayal of herself as a man may have played a role in
00:58:34the murders
00:58:35the sister of accused murderer john lauder says her brother became angry when he learned that tina
00:58:40was really a female i don't think they went down there to do it i think they wanted to scare
00:58:45her
00:58:48i was just a baby my mama told me some always be a good boy don't ever play with guns
00:59:01but i shot a man in reno just to watch inside
00:59:09when i hear that long from my throat i hang my head and i cry
00:59:20prosecutors wasted little time at the richardson county courthouse in fall city
00:59:23they were brief and to the point they told the jury that nissen and john lauder planned and carried
00:59:29out the murders so that tina brandon could not testify that they had raped her now the defense
00:59:34attorney for nissen contends that it could have been lauder and not nissen that was the trigger man
00:59:39and he told the jury that nissen should be considered innocent until otherwise proven
00:59:44well i believe had i not met brandon or lauder i wouldn't have been in no mess at all
00:59:49say that you met brandon and not lauder
00:59:56they're gutless they're cowardly people to begin with you know they prey on people you know they
01:00:01go up they use weapons against unarmed people they shoot a woman sitting on a bed uh you know her
01:00:07only
01:00:07defense is a blanket they shoot another woman in the face while she's holding a baby they shoot a man
01:00:13sitting down i mean those are acts of cowards those are gutless cowards and uh you know so i don't
01:00:19think
01:00:19there's anything you know you know they're nothing they're just they're just pumps uh tom was quiet
01:00:26and uh and i've never seen tom rowdy or anything tom seemed like a a nice kid you know i
01:00:35knew he was
01:00:35having problems he was married and then he was also seeing my sister melissa and i knew he's having
01:00:41problems with the wife but tom just seemed to be okay you know he didn't seem to be a a
01:00:48pushy
01:00:49guy he just he was just another polite one some people get mad and go punch holes through walls
01:00:56i get mad and i might burn myself with a cigarette or you know something minor like that that just
01:01:03kind
01:01:04of snaps me back into reality and you know it makes me realize that uh hey you need to get
01:01:09control of
01:01:10this thing because you know you don't want to lash out at somebody else because of what's going on
01:01:15inside of you
01:01:19mr neeson did you ever say it was more than just getting rid you know rid of a couple of
01:01:24dykes
01:01:24or you know just getting rid of a couple of lesbians and some goddamn nigger did you ever
01:01:28say that never referred to lisa lambert and uh tina brandon as dykes or lesbians
01:01:36i believe at one time i referred to uh tina brandon as a lesbian yes neeson told me he did
01:01:42it he said
01:01:44he said he did it he said he pulled the trigger he stabbed her he said uh he killed both
01:01:51the girls
01:01:52and he said uh lauder killed divine and he said if it was him at that moment if he was
01:02:03thinking
01:02:03right he said if two people walked in he said by rights only one person should walk down
01:02:11that's the way he thought that's the way he said it should have been he said if he had a
01:02:14chance to
01:02:15do it all over again he'd do it he said this time you want to get caught i took a
01:02:27step over which
01:02:29would have put me directly in front of brandon why did you do that at that point i asked john
01:02:38lauder for the knife or if he still had the knife and did he respond to you he handed me
01:02:45the knife
01:02:46why did you want the knife to stab tina brandon why were you looking to stab her at that time
01:02:52make sure she was dead did you have some impression that she wasn't yet dead yes what was that
01:02:59she was twitching can you tell me what you did to ensure that she was dead i took the knife
01:03:06out of
01:03:06john lauder's hand and opened it i reached down with my left hand i think there's people in this
01:03:14world and i don't want to say especially here in the midwest but certainly where i'm from
01:03:20i've seen it time and time again they don't view people
01:03:28they don't view homosexuals they don't they don't view people that are different from them
01:03:33they don't view them as being equal you know they think it's okay you know well yeah i can shoot
01:03:40her you know she's she's lesbian she's cross-gross she's tight she's she's less than human and they
01:03:46they uh they rationalize their actions by that i've seen it before
01:03:52look at what they did to these people tina brandon the gun to tina brandon's chin is so close
01:04:01but the power burned the unspent power burned
01:04:07and of course she stabbed look at the manner these are executions these are assassinations
01:04:14and they tell you a lot about the intent of the people when they walk in that door
01:04:18these aren't wild shots that happen to hit someone or or spraying bullets around the place these are
01:04:25calculated executions and the lisa lambert fared no better uh lisa lambert also
01:04:34in lisa lambert's life was seen in the item here in exhibit 105 close enough to her eye
01:04:43that the powder also burned her eye that was the last thing lisa lambert saw before she died
01:04:49uh executions that that's the only way to describe his killers and then philip devine consider philip
01:04:56devine if you can imagine the terror of philip devine sitting in that room this young amputee
01:05:03sitting in that other room listening to two people die and know he had to know he was he was
01:05:09next he knew
01:05:12this and this defendant goes to that other room purrs philip devine into the living room and then he
01:05:18too gets a bullet to the head and we'll have as well as one of the faces the net well
01:05:22it should be short
01:05:23and sweet just like thought one guy and he says they should get a hold of wolf sparky right off
01:05:29the bat
01:05:33because no matter what in the world i mean he won't bring none of them back or anything like that
01:05:42but what why put up with knot heads like i talked to one guy he says you know johnny's when
01:05:49he was on
01:05:50the farm he said you had a knot head at all he says you had a pig that was not
01:05:53it you knocked it in the head
01:05:57because all it's going to do is cost you money he said any your animals now you done that he
01:06:04said
01:06:04why in the hell don't why don't you just have that done
01:06:10because he says beyond a shadow of doubt they're guilty as hell
01:06:16he says so why do they need all these appeals
01:06:22and i says that's the lol
01:06:31i said those rich folks eating in those fancy nine that's gone
01:06:35their proper drink is talky and smoke is big for god
01:06:39so i know i haven't come i know i can't be free
01:06:48but the wheels keep a rollin' and that's what poor do they
01:07:15well i'm jane fee and i'm from minneapolis and the reason i'm here is because i happen to be
01:07:21transgendered also and crimes of violence against anyone is wrong it's not just transgendered or
01:07:29transsexual individuals and i'm here to protest the fact that someone who wasn't doing any harm to anyone
01:07:37has been so badly treated by being raped and murdered i'm glad that they're showing some support for tina
01:07:45you know she needed that i don't think she thought that she had it from too many people
01:07:49but not everyone in full city is in favor of the demonstration i think it's a bunch of why
01:07:55because if god would have wanted gays he wouldn't have put women on the earth
01:08:00everyone who fucks with gender has some kind of brush with this kind of violence this kind of um
01:08:06you know like everyone's got their war stories i've been
01:08:10you know held at knife point twice i've been raped once and uh and so i moved to san francisco
01:08:18and then
01:08:18seattle and and that's a lot easier and you forget about this stuff you know i verbal i've always i'm
01:08:27a
01:08:27verbal more of a verbal person you know i'll tell somebody hey you know and you know even say you
01:08:33know
01:08:33sometimes i'll kill you i mean i don't know in my lifetime i probably said i killed you probably a
01:08:39million times but did i carry it out no you know that's the whole fact you know there's there's no
01:08:47one that it's you know what you're saying is one thing but doing the other thing and i know the
01:08:52difference between both you know and i'm not just because i say something i ain't going to carry it out
01:08:57but if i did there'd be a lot of people there'd be a lot of people dead that's uh you
01:09:06know and
01:09:07believe me there's been people that's done you know a lot more to me than than tina brandon would
01:09:14ever done to you know so you know it's just ridiculous uh around fall city john was noted as a
01:09:23troublemaker you know and always get in trouble and taking cars so so most of the people wouldn't
01:09:28hire him wouldn't do nothing with him you know and uh there was a few that you know would try
01:09:33to give
01:09:33him a job or something but they didn't have the big money to help you know to keep him going
01:09:40you know
01:09:40so you know yeah he couldn't have done well around here if he went somewhere else maybe
01:09:47but uh just staying here you know the stigma was already there you know john's a troublemaker
01:09:54in my reviewing the doc documents for the this court hearing um he always went back to fall city
01:10:02he stole cars in buffalo county in the western part of nebraska to get back to fall city he had
01:10:08a one
01:10:08track mine and it was to be in fall city when he got out of prison he went to fall
01:10:15city and the night
01:10:17before the court hearing we were able to interview john and i said to him john why did you keep
01:10:22coming
01:10:22back to fall city if he told us how the people weren't very nice to him and he couldn't get
01:10:27jobs
01:10:27and he said i wanted to be with my mom unless he's at 24 he's still saying this i just
01:10:34you know i had told
01:10:35him that if he had done anything that he could tell me the truth i said i'd like to know
01:10:40the truth
01:10:44because that you know i didn't want to have to find it out from someone else or and i said
01:10:50told him
01:10:51that no matter what he'd done that i would still love him and that i would still come to see
01:10:57him and
01:10:58stick behind him but i wish that he would tell me the truth and he said that he told me
01:11:05he said that
01:11:05he hadn't done anything well like i said i'm not sure whether he's blocked it out if he did do
01:11:13it
01:11:13or whether he didn't do anything but he doesn't come up with anything to show any place else he's been
01:11:19that's what's that's the worst part
01:11:32i mean i hate the idea of copping deals i hate it i hate it with passion okay
01:11:38but i also know that in order to get the bigger fish you sometimes have to do it as distasteful
01:11:44as
01:11:45it may be and the only way we were going to get nason to squeal like the pig he is
01:11:50is to offer him a deal and spare his tail from the chair and nason was a coward we knew
01:11:57that and
01:11:57that's how we played him we played him for the gutless coward that he is and he's saying like a
01:12:02canary in terms of killing people you're telling us you didn't kill anybody correct just like you
01:12:09didn't sexually assault tina brandon that was a lie that was a lie this is the truth yes how are
01:12:15we to
01:12:15tell the difference mr nason i guess you have to determine that yourself oh it's up to us any
01:12:22suggestions no being in the courtroom and the reality of hate crime comes back you know and
01:12:34especially today when um nason took the stand you know and he started describing on this awful
01:12:44monotone and this awful like dead voice um yeah well we yeah we plan to kill her and who's we
01:12:52me and
01:12:52john lauder and and then he you know i he said this thing you know like they said well what
01:13:03other ways
01:13:04did you tried to kill her i mean thought to kill her and he said well we came up with
01:13:10this one idea
01:13:11of chopping off her hands and her head and then he described the axe that he got
01:13:28what took place at that point i moved away from the bed a little bit
01:13:37and john lauder raised his arm with the pistol in his hand and shot lisa lambert did you see on
01:13:46which
01:13:47part of her anatomy she was shot yes where in the stomach area what was her reaction as she was
01:13:54shot
01:13:55she jumped and screamed she began screaming again yes where where was the baby sitting right next to her
01:14:03you describe what happened next place i saw john lauder erase his hand with the pistol in his hand
01:14:11and the pistol fired and lisa lambert was hit did you see where yes where was that in her eye
01:14:20what happened what did she do her head jerked back and she went limp what was done with philip at
01:14:28that
01:14:28point i told philip to sit down did he sit yes where on the couch and what happened at that
01:14:37time
01:14:38and then i moved back towards john lauder and what did you observe john lauder raised the pistol
01:14:47the pistol fire yes are you aware of whether it hit anything or anyone it looked like it hit phil
01:14:55why do you say it looked like it hit him what did you notice he slumped back into the couch
01:15:01was there a second shot fired at that time yes by who by john lauder and where did it strike
01:15:08if you
01:15:08know i appeared to hit phil do you know where no what was the reaction of phil at that point
01:15:17phil slid
01:15:18down the couch a little bit where did he come to rest he was still leaning against the couch
01:15:27i don't i just can't see him there with a little baby and the baby's mother and you know telling
01:15:34tom
01:15:35to get the baby away and then shooting the baby's mother i just i don't see it like i i
01:15:41don't understand
01:15:41that and i can't see him doing that we got the right two people and i'd say it's real close
01:15:49i'd say
01:15:50what probably needs to testify to in court would be about as close as you're going to get to what
01:15:54happened because the investigators and there was things that you know he said that only the person or
01:16:04persons that were there would know and so there's no doubt in my mind the right two people are in
01:16:13jail for the murders
01:16:20john lauder can only describe the word that word is evil evil to put a bullet in someone's head
01:16:29because she had the audacity to tell on him to talk about to make a rape complaint how dare she
01:16:37make a
01:16:37rape complaint she puts a bullet in her head and it's evil that shot lisa lambert and that evil that
01:16:48shot phil divine as he begged for his life that's what we're dealing with here you bet we're dealing with
01:16:54evil that the evil is on trial neeson's trial is done neeson's not on trial this is evil and this
01:17:01is
01:17:02guilty seven charges thank you what did we end up with five people's lives completely ruined three of
01:17:14them's dead two of them's in the penitentiary and uh and uh sad mothers
01:17:20and i remember the day when the sentences come down and i i commented that this is a day that
01:17:26mothers
01:17:26cry and they were all the mothers were crying uh and what do you do there's nothing you can do
01:17:34how do you teach people not to kill each other i don't know
01:17:43how do you think i've been saying the whole time i'm innocent i'll prove it what do you think
01:17:51is a little little liar if he if he did do it and i definitely wouldn't want him on the
01:18:01streets again
01:18:01um like and unless they can prove that he didn't um i suppose i would want him to never have
01:18:14parole
01:18:16and as far as the death penalty well if that's what he gets then that's we'll just have to
01:18:23live with it elated tired decided that it's over and that the verdict came back the way it did
01:18:33i'm sorry for his mother you know that he's been with me and the family
01:18:38i'm just tired of that daughter got justice
01:18:45yes and no it's not ever going to be a total closure this is something i've never had really
01:18:51the pain's not going to go anywhere she was my baby and somebody cut her life short just because
01:18:58he didn't like her believing what she was doing or anything else that's not right
01:19:04oh yes very much so
01:19:13i don't know i i personally don't want to see him get death row because i don't want him to
01:19:21die
01:19:21i just can't accept the fact to have my 24 year old brother die and i start crying
01:19:29the judgment and sentence of this court the defendant john helotta
01:19:33is hereby sentenced to the penalty of death for the murder and the first degree murder of jina
01:19:38brown defendant john l louder is hereby sentenced to the family of death for the murder
01:19:44and the first degree of lisa lambert that the defendant john l lotter is hereby sentenced to the
01:19:50family of death with the murder in the first degree of philip nevye
01:19:58well i think he got what he deserved
01:20:03I mean, at least he had a fair trial and a decision, and he never gave them a fair trial.
01:20:10He was judge and jury and killed them.
01:20:13So I think he got what he deserved.
01:20:16I think he's evil.
01:20:18I don't think justice is served.
01:20:21By putting one person on the death row and letting another one live, even though it's without parole,
01:20:29I think we as a culture haven't come to terms with our own responsibility for helping kids like this,
01:20:37having seen how John was as a child.
01:20:41Plus in that talking with the judges we're doing, the psychiatrist, the psychologist said that John is operating at about
01:20:51a 9 or 10-year-old.
01:20:53Do you electrocute 9 and 10-year-olds in this state now?
01:20:59I think the justice system has taken way too long for what it's supposed to be.
01:21:06Because the criminal is protected more than what me or you are.
01:21:11If you ain't a hardened criminal, you're nobody.
01:21:15That's the way it seems.
01:21:18I know it ain't right to think that way, but that's the way I feel.
01:21:26Is this one step closer to helping you and your family?
01:21:32Yes.
01:21:33But it'll never be the same.
01:21:47You know, you think back to the little house south of Humboldt,
01:21:53and the three people had died in there some night.
01:21:55Think of the fear that was going on that night to those three people.
01:22:01Well, you're watching your friend getting killed, you know, and know you're next.
01:22:08What's that like?
01:22:09And you got a baby right there, and you're afraid the baby's going to die.
01:22:14What kind of fear is that?
01:22:17But, you know, but yet, way down the road somewhere,
01:22:23there's always a chance they could get off on some judge's decision
01:22:28that we did something wrong.
01:22:33But, in my opinion, we did nothing wrong.
01:22:35But, in my opinion, we did nothing wrong.
01:23:13I wouldn't know what to say.
01:23:18I wouldn't know what to do.
01:23:21If you came back from heaven,
01:23:25and I could look at you,
01:23:28would I fumble for the words?
01:23:32Would I be a little shy?
01:23:36Would I bust right out with laughter?
01:23:40I'd break right down and cry.
01:23:43Oh, if you came back from heaven,
01:23:47would I be here like it was then?
01:23:51I'd be blessed and young,
01:23:53and for me that's all I'm trying to get on again.
01:23:58Oh, if you came back from heaven,
01:24:02would I be here like it was then?
01:24:07Oh, if you came back from heaven,
01:24:09would I be here like it was then?
01:24:11Oh, if you came back from heaven,
01:24:31I'd be happy.
01:24:34Have you heard all my prayers when I lay down at night?
01:24:42And did you feel my body when I held your pillow tight?
01:24:49Oh, if you came back from heaven, would it be like it was then?
01:24:56Could we just pick up where we left off and try it all again?
01:25:04Oh, if you came back from heaven, it would freeze me in my traps
01:25:12And I hope God knows if he'll let you go, I'll never send you back
01:25:21And if God forbid you leave this earth again while I see
01:25:28And I hope he knows if you go, you'll be bringing me
01:25:36Oh, if you came back from heaven, would it be like it was then?
01:25:44Could we just pick up where we left off and try it all again?