00:00Okay, we said we get to the Jameer Gibbs thing.
00:03So what's going on with Jameer Gibbs?
00:05Is he likely to sign quickly or not?
00:07This is from The Athletic today.
00:10League sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity
00:13because no deal had been finalized
00:15told The Athletic's Jonathan Jones
00:16there is optimism a deal could be reached
00:19within the coming days.
00:24Meanwhile, Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, wrote today,
00:28it's possible that having Robinson's terms in place
00:31will make it easier for Gibbs.
00:34There's an even better chance, as we understand it,
00:37that Robinson's contract will become an impediment.
00:42What?
00:44He later writes,
00:45from the franchise's perspective,
00:47the Lions won't want to blow up the running back market.
00:50Beyond the realities of the salary cap,
00:52other teams will frown upon a contract
00:54that makes it more expensive
00:55for them to sign their own running backs
00:57to new deals
00:58since those players will say,
01:00the market's the market.
01:01It's an example of sometimes subtle,
01:03sometimes not collusion
01:05that absolutely exists in the NFL.
01:07Teams that do unconventional things
01:10aren't simply ridiculed by other clubs,
01:12they're resented.
01:13An outlier deal makes it harder
01:15for the results of the league
01:17to do business on their terms.
01:22I'm sorry,
01:23I don't know what Florio's talking about here.
01:28Would the Lions be signing Jameer Gibbs
01:31to a dollar more than B. John Robinson
01:33really be some sort of contract
01:37that would make the rest of the league resent them?
01:39Do they resent Atlanta right now?
01:43I don't think so.
01:44But if that deal gets significantly more
01:47than B. John Robinson,
01:48would that be something that's resentful?
01:51And again, I would hope not
01:52because I think there are certain players
01:54in the league
01:56and running back specific
01:57that are special.
01:59B. John Robinson and Jameer Gibbs
02:00are two of those players.
02:01I'm not sure how many more there are,
02:03but those are two.
02:04And if they set the market,
02:05if the fear is that,
02:07okay, next time,
02:08you know,
02:09somebody else comes up for a contract,
02:10Kenneth Walker comes up for a deal
02:12and he hasn't done anything near
02:13what these guys have done,
02:14and he gets commands the same salary
02:16because it's just the cost of doing business
02:19as the years go on,
02:20then I can understand
02:21where that sentiment comes in.
02:23But for right now,
02:24these guys should get paid more
02:26than any other running back
02:28because they've earned it, right?
02:29Just like Saquon Barkley earned it
02:31when he set that bar last year
02:33or whatever it was.
02:35So for right now,
02:36I would agree.
02:37I disagree with Florio
02:39if they're going to make this statement
02:40about the running back position
02:42and specific to arguably
02:44the two best running backs in football.
02:47Kang,
02:47what do you make of what Florio
02:48was speculating on here?
02:50I don't understand
02:50what Florio's doing sometimes.
02:52It doesn't make any sense to me.
02:54Everyone sets the market.
02:56And by the way,
02:57that would be an advantage to the Lions
02:58if you're forcing other teams
03:00out to pay running backs more, right?
03:02Because that means their cap situation
03:04would be worse than what the Lions is.
03:06Which maybe that's his point.
03:08That's why other teams would resent it
03:09because now that they have to step up
03:11in the future
03:11and pay their guys more
03:12even though they're not the same player.
03:13But they don't have to
03:14if they don't want to.
03:16And if they do,
03:17then good on the Lions.
03:18It's like the Amon Ross-St. Brown situation.
03:19At one point,
03:20he was the highest paid receiver
03:21at $30 million or whatever.
03:22What is he now,
03:23eighth?
03:24Yeah,
03:24and then this goes into
03:25the cost of doing business in the league.
03:27Exactly.
03:27Is the rest of the league
03:28mad at them for setting the example
03:29for Hutch or Sewell
03:30or anybody else?
03:32No.
03:32No.
03:33Or maybe they were,
03:34but they still had to pony up
03:35because that's the market, right?
03:37Just seems like a strange argument.
03:40And he thinks it's more likely
03:42that it's an impediment.
03:43I don't know.
03:44I guess I'm just not buying
03:46what Florio's selling there.
03:47More from the athletic article
03:49regarding Gibbs.
03:50They say,
03:51as for what Gibbs might be seeking,
03:53there are different ways
03:54to approach this.
03:54He could aim for a higher
03:56average annual value
03:57than Robinson,
03:5822.25 million,
04:00perhaps checking in at 22.5 million
04:02or 23 million per season.
04:04He could sign an extension
04:05that surpasses the total value
04:06of Robinson's deal,
04:0775 million,
04:08or he can opt for more guaranteed money
04:10while taking a back seat
04:12in average annual value.
04:13When the Lions were in extension talks
04:15with star edge rusher Aiden Hutchinson
04:16last fall,
04:17they knew the number to beat
04:17was Micah Parsons' four-year 186.
04:20Hutchinson ultimately signed
04:22below that,
04:23agreeing to a four-year
04:24$180 million extension.
04:26However,
04:27Hutchinson earned
04:28more guaranteed money,
04:30141 to Parsons' 136.
04:32It's all a matter of preference.
04:33We'll find out soon enough
04:34what Gibbs prefers.
04:36I think the athletic
04:37is probably more realistic
04:39than Florio in this case.
04:40Well, I would agree with you.
04:41And part of this is just,
04:43it's a problem with the NFL
04:44and their salary cap rules
04:46because it's not just simple
04:47hard cap easy math.
04:49They don't do that.
04:50No, it's,
04:51no,
04:51when you get into guarantees
04:52and you get into incentives
04:54and...
04:55It's like a four-year,
04:56$100 million contract
04:57should be just that.
04:58You know exactly what it is.
05:00Well, it would be easy
05:00for us to interpret it,
05:01whether it should be that
05:02or shouldn't.
05:02Well, that's what I want, Doug.
05:03I need the easy math, please.
05:05Simple math, yeah.
05:07Not voidable years,
05:08not,
05:08well, we restructure
05:09and made this
05:10and only so much of this
05:11counts against the cap.
05:13Make it easy.
05:14Yeah, and I, you know,
05:17if it is an impediment,
05:21I'm not panicked
05:22about the Gibbs thing.
05:23I don't know when
05:24we're supposed to panic.
05:25I feel like
05:25there's already some
05:27interpretation of Gibbs
05:28not being in camp
05:29that some people
05:30are panicking
05:31or getting upset about it.
05:33What is the date
05:35that we should be worried
05:36that changes that?
05:38I mean, for me,
05:39if it gets,
05:40if we're at this point
05:41next week
05:41and he still doesn't
05:42have a contract,
05:43I'd be a little concerned
05:44because now we're getting
05:45into, what,
05:46the day before
05:46the first preseason game?
05:48But still a month
05:49and a day away from the other.
05:50I got it.
05:50But it's also missing
05:52two weeks of practice,
05:53missing a very important
05:54week of practice
05:55where they're in pads.
05:56You're instilling
05:57a brand new offense
05:58and he's not there.
05:59Now, is he there
06:01in the meeting rooms?
06:01Yes.
06:02But he's not there
06:03on the practice field
06:04running through the drills
06:05and, you know,
06:07getting them,
06:07some of it's a benefit
06:09to not get banged around.
06:10So you got a week.
06:11You give him a week.
06:12Yeah, before I start.
06:13Then you'll start to worry.
06:14Yeah, because I think
06:15this should be an easy one
06:15to get done.
06:16I literally thought
06:17it was going to take hours.
06:18Kang, what about you?
06:19When will you start to worry?
06:20Yeah, I said
06:21I fully expect him
06:22to be signed
06:23with the new record-setting
06:24contract by the end
06:24of this week,
06:25so I'll start getting
06:26worried next week
06:27because I just feel
06:28all the signs point
06:29to this getting done,
06:30especially with Bijan
06:31getting his deal done.
06:33Gibbs is in camp.
06:34He's present.
06:35So things,
06:35I think there must be
06:36pretty productive talks
06:38going on for him
06:39to even be here.
06:40Like I said before,
06:41they've war-chested for this.
06:42All the moves they made up
06:43leading to this
06:44was to bring back guys
06:46like Jameer Gibbs
06:47to not bring back
06:48Taylor Decker,
06:48Anzalone,
06:50moving on from
06:51David Montgomery.
06:51Wherever they shaved money off,
06:53it's to pay guys like this.
06:54So I just think
06:55it's going to get done
06:56this week.
06:56I would be worried,
06:57a little worried
06:58if it's not done
06:59by the end of the week.
06:59It's going to be
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