00:06well in a lot of ways yesterday was poetic fitting imagine being at that baseball game
00:13oh so i was driving home listening to other fans who were at that baseball game and i think we
00:20all
00:20had a consensus we have some audio this morning we're gonna get into that at 6 35 good morning
00:2697 1 jim costa john jansen heather park gov and greg behind the glass good morning good morning it uh
00:32i can't believe it's thursday because uh i was uh we had a day my wife and i kind of
00:38like we would
00:39normally have on a friday and i totally lost my place in time and then it hit me at about
00:47i don't
00:47know four o'clock wait today is wednesday it was just bizarre same thing happened to me i looked over
00:55in the press box and i said what day is it is it tuesday i mean first of all that
00:59baseball game
01:00felt like i was in a different universe like what the hell is going on well it's the tigers universe
01:04it's the universe they've been wallowing in for the the entire season as it was going i was like wait
01:11this is even more ludicrous and ridiculous keeping scoogle comes down to whether we can get the runner
01:17over in the 12th inning right it just it seems so silly but much to discuss on that front i
01:23actually
01:23want to start the show and uh praise john jansen oh well thank you give you some much deserved love
01:30because a few weeks back you said hey i'm hearing jameer gibbs may be a hold-in when training camp
01:38starts and i know you don't stew and and and read the internet all day but people were clowning you
01:43what does this guy know john's making this up for clicks i go first of all you don't do that
01:48you
01:49don't put on the reporter hat very often and try to break news on on this show or on social
01:54media
01:54period you know people you hear things you hear things john yeah and you called this and correct
02:03me if i'm wrong i don't think it was a stretch when i heard it i'm like well okay it
02:11makes sense
02:13and i was just the first to say it and i had i did have some you know quote unquote
02:20sources
02:22that led me to believe it was going to be a hold-in and then i was i was really
02:27surprised to hear
02:29you guys talk about some of the reaction because i don't follow it on social media first of all i
02:33don't care what other people have to say and then to hear the reaction that they didn't think it was
02:42going to happen he's entering the fourth year of his contract yes the lions picked up his fifth year
02:48running backs want to get paid i i probably could have said not having the sources hey breaking news
02:58i think bijon is going to be a hold-in both of these guys were taken in the same draft
03:03both of
03:04them are elite running backs they want to get paid they're going to be a hold-in i i was
03:14it was it
03:15i just i thought it's so funny because you are a lot of things that we joke about meathead and
03:20all
03:20this stuff sure you know people and you know what you're talking about and you didn't say it lightly
03:25and it wasn't supposed to be some grandiose statement it was just hey i'm gonna pass this
03:29along we're going to talk about it yeah and it's it's happening now so jameer gibbs didn't practice
03:34yesterday he's a hold-in along with bijon i love this twitch comment john is very concerned about
03:39clicks the click of his hunting rifle that's exactly it when do i take the safety off come on people
03:45i'm just finding very uh curious um so john what you're saying is that your sources say
03:54right yeah yeah which i hate sources say you hate that i do which is why i never almost never
04:00say anything about sources say and i hear a lot of things and some some of what i hear is
04:06because
04:07of relationships that i have in the nfl and in college is set in confident and so it's for context
04:15for me to add context to the show but i i'm not going to come out and say well this
04:20is going to happen
04:20um it's it's really interesting that the lions have put themselves in this position and i say that
04:30because jameer gibbs has as much leverage from a running back as you're gonna have and they know
04:41and when i say they it is jameer gibbs his agent anybody on his side of things his quote-unquote
04:50team because if he is unavailable at the start of the season or if this lingers on and they think
04:57that there's going to be well is he going to be ready for the start of the season which i
05:00think is
05:00all crap but if they go into the season and jameer gibbs decides to continue to hold in
05:08isaiah pacheco is your starting running back backed up by sione vacchi can anybody here tell me
05:16without looking if you have the depth chart in front of you don't look who is who would be rb3
05:21at this
05:22point
05:24anybody anybody crickets craig reynolds
05:30jacob sailors oh yeah out of east tennessee state
05:37i mean it's it's it's gibbs backfield right it's called him a bell cow and they've called him the
05:43bell cow last year he had what over 500 yards receiving he's a guy that we anticipate and the
05:50lions are counting on could approach 2 000 all-purpose yards or surpass 2 000 all-purpose yards
05:59he is going to be the focal point of this offense so yeah he's got all the leverage in the
06:06world
06:07he does have leverage he also has two years left on his deal so the team has some right ability
06:14to
06:14say hey dude we get it i know you want to get paid let's work towards something okay go start
06:19the
06:19season without me do you want to be paid you're under contract do you want to win
06:26so i and i'm not trying to be smarmy i'm not trying i'm just this is the back and forth
06:31between
06:31you're the lions and i'm the player jameer gibbs yeah it do you want to win do you want to
06:37have a
06:37chance do you miss the playoffs last year do you want to do you want to start the season not
06:41beating
06:42a team in new orleans that you should be and maybe they beat them without new or without jameer
06:46gibbs i don't know but certainly going into the bills game i think this is the jameer gibbs and
06:51brad holmes sock puppets oh it could be yes i've never been a sock puppet before but i'm willing to
06:58play the role now you also don't seem overly panicked that it's going to get to that point
07:02no i think they'll get a deal done um and i do think it will be one and again i'm
07:07not surprised
07:08that it's not done now i don't think there's any urgency from gibbs or from the lions that he has
07:15to
07:15be practicing right now it's shorts and skirts we know you're going to get the bulk of of all touches
07:22for this offense so if it goes for a week and you're a hold in you're in meetings and you're
07:28hearing things you're seeing things you're you're understanding drew petzig's new offense and and
07:33some of the wrinkles that he wants to bring to this lions organization um that's that's fine like
07:40we don't need any rolled ankles we don't need a tweaked hamstring now those are the type of things
07:47when you're talking about football shape versus just hey i'm running doing drills you've got to play
07:54football to be in football shape and when and he's quick twitch that that acceleration is what we love
08:03about jameer gibbs you've got to get some of that in practice in in real situations not game
08:12situations i don't expect to see him even if they play starters i don't think gibbs is one of those
08:16that if he signed and and he's you know on the roster for the preseason games we don't see him
08:21but you've got to have some of that so that in week one you're not pulling out that zero to
08:27100
08:28for the first time and all of a sudden oh ah hammy um and so yeah there there's there will
08:35eventually be a sense of urgency and from the team side from the players perspective hey get your money
08:42get paid we're not we're none of us are going to sit here and say you shouldn't be doing this
08:49we'd like to have you here and at some point i do believe that golf or or any number of
08:56the leaders
08:57of this team golf hutch monra st brown they walk in and just say boy we'd really like to have
09:04jameer
09:05gibbs as a part of of of practice in this training camp can we you know is there any way
09:10that we can
09:11work this out yeah if you were to rank the lions offensive players in terms of their value the
09:16quarterback by default is at the top of the list i would put penne sewell probably number two
09:22followed quickly by jameer gibbs yes given the way to a to b yeah given the way that those two
09:27mirror what they want to do so many of those big explosive runs for gibbs were running behind penne
09:32sewell it's not a coincidence you want to be a team that wins at the line of scrimmage and then
09:35does
09:35something with that advantage jameer gibbs does something when when he gets space right better than
09:40anybody and he's going to need to see how does blake miller block these plays in real time
09:46how does penne sewell is there any difference in his technique on the left side versus the right
09:53side in how i read his blocks those are things that yes you can see some of that on film
09:59but you've got
10:00to live it breathe it and do it to actually be able to capitalize it when it comes time for
10:05the test and
10:06there's going to be 17 tests i want to make a note hold in versus hold out you mentioned still
10:13being in
10:13at meetings we got a twitch comment how does the team view hold in versus hold out i had people
10:19texting me yesterday what's the difference the difference is you're still going to be present
10:22you're just not going to be physically going through drills and and and team periods correct
10:26yeah and and i i do like the invention of the hold in versus the hold out the hold out
10:33you're not
10:34around at all you're probably staying at a local hotel or if you're living that you know in in your
10:39city you're you're staying at your home and you're working out by yourself but at least now
10:44they see him they get a chance to converse with him he's a part of all the things that that
10:50build
10:51a team some of the inside jokes some of the moments that happen he's there so that when he comes
10:56back
10:57and is playing like it's it's not inserting you know quote unquote a new player or a new um you
11:04know
11:04individual into a situation i i love the hold in especially with the new offensive coordinator
11:09right so you don't feel like you're behind on on the homework right you don't seem panicked this is
11:14certainly going to cause some stir with people and what's going on are they going to take care of
11:19could he sit out it's a hold in right now how does this play out i have a prediction it's
11:24not a
11:24guarantee it's not a cost to lock but i want to know if it passes the jansen smell test if
11:29you think
11:29this will take place clairvoyant costa makes an appearance next 97 one hey
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