00:00Albert Breer was asked a pointed question yesterday.
00:02Do you want to make it number five or number ten?
00:04Top five or top ten? Which one?
00:06Five.
00:09Okay, which one is it?
00:12Number five?
00:13Yeah.
00:14Five is difficult, but let's do it.
00:18A big question was asked yesterday
00:22to Albert Breer.
00:24Do you need a top five quarterback to win a Super Bowl anymore in the NFL?
00:27Hit it.
00:27I think part of it has to do with the environment you're in, too.
00:30I mean, what conference were the four quarterbacks that I named in?
00:34They're all in the AFC, right?
00:36And what conference are Sam Darnold and Jalen Hurston?
00:40They're in the NFC, right?
00:41So I think the Browns' premise was a little bit more on, like,
00:45the price of admission in the AFC.
00:47And last year was different.
00:48I think last year created an opportunity and an opening.
00:51I think Drake Mays got a chance to crack that group.
00:53But, like, I mean, part of him getting there was the door, I think,
00:58in the AFC last year was open more than it probably will be for a while
01:02for somebody to step through and step up and do what New England did, you know?
01:08So, like, I still think the premise that the Browns were working with was,
01:13I think, relatively logical and relatively clean,
01:16which was this is the environment we're competing in now.
01:19And if we're going to pay a quarterback at the top of the market,
01:22he needs to be in that group.
01:25That's Albert Breer on it.
01:27So you want to nail it down to top five?
01:29No, we probably keep it at ten.
01:30Five is really tough.
01:31Where it's interesting is, like, Sam Darnold was not in this top ten, right?
01:37In Jeremy Fowler's latest ranking.
01:39Is that what it was from that we were going off of?
01:42And, you know, we're seeing various quarterback rankings at the time of the year.
01:45We're going to get the Mike Sando, the treasured quarterback list coming up,
01:50the tiers list that we talk about every year.
01:52And what's interesting is Sam Darnold, people do not think is a top ten quarterback, right?
01:58He is 28-6 the last two years.
02:01Two different teams.
02:02You can't even argue that, oh, this is a Kyle Shanahan situation
02:07where he's protecting the quarterback at all costs.
02:10This is two different teams.
02:11You can say they're from the Shanahan tree, but two different teams.
02:15And he went 14-3 both years and just won a Super Bowl.
02:18And yet we don't think he's in the top ten.
02:21So, like, yes, I think we all want, especially in the AFC,
02:24that's what Albert Breer is saying.
02:26The reason we moved on from Baker is you had just seen Joe Burrow get to the Super Bowl.
02:32Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, we're talking about MVPs,
02:36and all the even, I'll even throw another one.
02:38Oh, here they come now about this.
02:39This is great.
02:40Okay, fine, let's have at it.
02:41Even C.J. Stroud, who, when he knocked us out of the playoffs
02:46and our world-class defense, we were like, oh, my God,
02:48that's another, another AFC quarterback.
02:51Now, he's come back to the pack.
02:53Since then, Joe Burrow can't stay healthy.
02:55When he's healthy, he's unbelievable.
02:57But he can't stay healthy.
02:58And Lamar Jackson, is he taking a step back?
03:02I think so.
03:03You don't need a top-five quarterback to win a Super Bowl, a Super Bowl.
03:07You need a top-five quarterback so you can sleep at night.
03:09To compete every year.
03:10Yes.
03:11You need a top-five quarterback so we don't lose our minds
03:13and fire good coaches.
03:14You need a top-five quarterback so you have good people around you
03:19that want to stay.
03:20You need a top-five quarterback so you can make human mistakes
03:23with your roster and still come out on the other end
03:26because your quarterback covers up for it.
03:27Now, I'm critical of those.
03:29Like, Ryan Grigson, I'm critical of his time as a general manager.
03:32Very critical because I didn't think he protected Andrew Luck.
03:35Andrew Luck covered for a lot of the problems
03:37that the Indianapolis Colts had, both in the front office
03:40and off the field, obviously.
03:42Andrew Luck, a great quarterback, was able to do that.
03:44Peyton Manning was able to do that.
03:46Other great quarterbacks were able to do that.
03:49And they're able to cover for some of the mistakes
03:52and give you a little bit more time.
03:54What makes Harry Roseman so impressive is that he's had
03:57not top-five quarterbacks, but he's had good, solid quarterbacks.
04:01Jalen Hurts, I mean, we would be –
04:03Jonathan said something yesterday, and I loved what he said.
04:06If Jalen Hurts played for the Cleveland Browns
04:08and did for the Cleveland Browns what he did for Philadelphia,
04:10if anybody had anything negative to say about Jalen Hurts,
04:13we would try to fight him and fight him.
04:15I mean, literally, if anybody out there said anything negative
04:20about Jalen Hurts, somebody would try to fight him
04:21right there on Euron Road if he did for us what he's done
04:24with the Philadelphia Eagles because it's an end-all, be-all.
04:28So you don't need – because at the time when they won quarterbacks,
04:32and I understand it's a different era, won Super Bowls.
04:33Trent Dilfer was never a top-five QB.
04:36He might have been on a heater every now and then,
04:38but never was a top-five QB.
04:39Brad Johnson was a little bit better than what people want to give him credit for,
04:42but he was never a top-five QB.
04:44Jalen Hurts is more than likely never a top-five QB,
04:47at least up to this point.
04:48But he's certainly top-ten in the conversation.
04:50Eli Manning, we were always debating where he belonged.
04:53Eli Manning was always a debate.
04:55You just feel so much more confident.
04:57I always say, man, there's probably a lot of people in Buffalo
05:00who are going, man, if not now, when?
05:02And you can't even believe it.
05:04You can't believe I say that, and you disagree.
05:06And I do pay more attention to the Bills and Bills fans than you do,
05:09so maybe there's some people who disagree with me,
05:11but I think that they sleep better at night knowing, okay,
05:14we have a chance because we have Josh Allen, who's a top-five quarterback.
05:18Kansas City fans, do you – let me ask you, Owen,
05:22you pay a lot of attention to Kansas City stuff because of the Chiefs.
05:25Still?
05:26Yeah.
05:26Okay.
05:27I have family there, so I can talk to them.
05:29So I can throw by – are they really freaking out over 6-11?
05:35No.
05:35I didn't think so.
05:36No.
05:37I didn't think so.
05:38I think if it were to happen again, then yeah, maybe.
05:41Yeah.
05:41But there's no talks of like, well, did Mahomes fall off or anything?
05:44I think it's more on the, does Kelsey have anything left?
05:47That's probably as close as they get to worrying, and they did.
05:52You're doing a lot of offensive line remodeling and a defensive secondary rebuild.
05:57Like, I think you're thinking of – if I were a Chiefs fan, not you,
06:01I'm thinking if I were a Chiefs fan, I would think a 6-11 more is a bump in the
06:05road.
06:06Like, oh, we turned in a 6-11, and we'll be back next year.
06:09I think they won the division nine or ten straight years.
06:12Yeah.
06:12Yeah.
06:12They've been in the AFC Championship game, eight straight, nine straight.
06:15And think about the longevity here.
06:17They were 6-5, and then they lost every game from there on out.
06:20Who do you have more faith in staying around power?
06:24Is it the Denver Broncos with their great defense,
06:27or is it Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs?
06:29You know the answer to that.
06:31And ain't that defense?
06:32Because it's harder to put 11 out there that are great than it is to put one out there
06:35that's excellent.
06:36But the funny thing is, you know me, I have a crazy trust in Sean Payton.
06:40No, I think that Sean Payton could take a decent quarterback
06:43and coach him up to be really good.
06:44No offense to Drew Brees.
06:45What Drew Brees did was really special.
06:47But I think that if Drew Brees had a different coach, yeah, Drew Brees,
06:52there's no conversation about him being a Hall of Famer.
06:55I think Sean Payton's a really good football coach.
06:57I hate to say it.
06:58I don't really care for him very much.
07:00There's something about him I don't care for as a fan.
07:02But it's a sports dislike.
07:05It's when you have that quarterback, think about what Ben Roethlisberger did
07:09for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
07:11You were able to have a standard.
07:13Why were you able to have a standard?
07:14Because your quarterback was good.
07:15And even he was a mess.
07:17I mean, going in and getting the call from an offensive coordinator
07:20and just saying, yeah, bleep that.
07:21We're going to do it this way.
07:22And then he'd throw a pick, and they'd just blame the offensive coordinator.
07:26But you felt better because you have a QB.
07:28That's why they get paid all the money.
07:30They know we want to go see the great QBs.
07:33I want to sleep good at night.
07:35That's why we go after this.
07:36That's why we write these guys down.
07:37That's why we nearly come to blows over these guys.
07:40That's why people cuss you out on the internet and cuss me out on the internet over these guys.
07:44Because we want them to be those guys.
07:46I don't need a top five QB to win a Super Bowl.
07:49I need a top five QB to maintain any semblance of sanity over a long period of time.
07:56Bernie Kosar played like a top five QB in his era.
08:00And Browns fans live pretty well.
08:02There was a lot of bitter, bitter losses during that time.
08:05A lot of sadness.
08:06A lot of tears.
08:07But we look back on that from 40 years ago.
08:09Those were the time of our lives.
08:11I wouldn't even lie for it.
08:12He was.
08:13He knows.
08:14And you guys who were, you know damn well that's true.
08:16So when you have a QB, everything is better.
08:20But I think since Bernie's era, it has become tougher to play the position.
08:23Because now we hold you to such a higher standard than we ever have.
08:26We throw the ball more.
08:29You don't call your own plays as much.
08:31So there's different.
08:32You don't call your own number.
08:34You don't make these decisions as much.
08:35So there's less of a chance for interception.
08:38There's less of a chance.
08:39There's less of a margin for error.
08:41Because we have a 24-hour news cycle.
08:43We fill that news cycle with opinion conversation.
08:46Most of that has to do with football.
08:48And then most of that turns into a quarterback conversation.
08:50So it has the most pressure on it than any position in sports.
08:53And so it's harder to be a top five QB than it's ever been.
08:56Do you think people are getting more agitated?
08:59Not just seeing like Baker Mayfield.
09:02And this quarterback special where you're hearing more.
09:05He's such a trash talker.
09:06I mean, he is going after all sorts of guys.
09:09I saw the first part of that first episode.
09:12And I remembered why I fell out of favor with Baker Mayfield.
09:16Or why he fell out of favor with me as a Browns fan.
09:18And then in the same segment of that documentary, I was reminded why.
09:24I was like, yeah, that was a lot of fun.
09:25It was fun.
09:26That was a lot of fun.
09:26I mean, there's no doubt it was fun.
09:28But just seeing like his contemporaries, like Sam Darnold win a Super Bowl.
09:34You know, when did we ever think that Sam Darnold was better than Baker Mayfield?
09:38I don't think there's a lot of people.
09:41Maybe this year?
09:42I think now they do.
09:44Yeah.
09:44Now they think Sam is better.
09:46Because they've seen it two years, two different teams.
09:48And we've seen a ceiling.
09:50Okay.
09:50Like that's higher than anything Baker's been able to do.
09:53You know, Sam Darnold's been hurt before.
09:55It's just, man, if Baker's hurt, he needs his whole body to be able to throw.
09:58I mean, we're getting into mechanics and stuff.
10:00I understand what you're saying, though.
10:02But I did look back and I go, man, like it was fun.
10:05And it's still, while it'd be frustrating, and I think we would have some frustrating conversations.
10:09Like, well, we made the wild card round again.
10:12And then we got bounced by so-and-so.
10:14You know, we took this guy number one overall.
10:16Is he worth so much money?
10:18Is he worth all the pain and fight?
10:20It's still way better than the conversations we've had over the last five years.
10:23And so now that I know what I'm dealing with over the last five years, by the way, it's,
10:28we got to treat that next quarterback a little bit differently.
10:312-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
10:33And maybe not put so much power in his hand so soon.
10:36Because I think that Baker even has admitted many times over he was immature at that time.
10:41And I know that you've brought out, well, is he immature?
10:43Is he, is he, has he matured or is he just winning?
10:46And there is something to be said, Tone, about a guy who has now a wife and kids at home
10:52and being able to count on that guy to do the right thing for you as a teammate.
10:57There is a little bit of that to it.
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