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00:00:27It happened in a hospital in Córdoba in the fall of 2019.
00:00:29From 1981. A patient like any of the viewers of Cuarto Milenio. She had been
00:00:36victim of a traffic accident. She was in the ICU. She was watching as her body
00:00:41Suddenly he was down there. His other self, his conscience, his soul, who knows, seemed
00:00:46She grew lighter and lighter. Was she alive or dead? Suddenly, he began to observe.
00:00:51The operating room machinery. Those nervous doctors. Everything that happened in that
00:00:56that scene was from his final minutes. Suddenly he felt a great vertigo
00:01:01She ascended through a kind of luminous tunnel. She was beginning a scene we've all heard about.
00:01:07sometimes to other people. The tunnel of light, life repeated as in old slides
00:01:12with very harsh moments and very joyful moments. Even the arrival in a radiant world
00:01:17where a mysterious faceless being tells her it's not her time. And then the dizzying
00:01:22He turns around. And on that turn, he sees the hospital again. He even sees the elevated scene again.
00:01:29He comes to contemplate the street. On that street, he describes and sees how a boy dressed in
00:01:33A man in an orange suit runs over a person. The accident actually occurred while...
00:01:39This patient was undergoing surgery in the ICU. How is that possible? What was she seeing?
00:01:44Where was their conscience? Tonight we'll discuss equally surprising cases.
00:01:48These are NDEs. Near-death experiences. But there are many more topics in Cuarto.
00:01:54Millennium.
00:01:59Tonight we will visit the eighth wonder of the world. A place full of magic, apparitions,
00:02:05Alchemy and hidden secrets that never appear in official guides. In the 21st century.
00:02:12There are still pirates roaming the oceans. An international report shows that the black
00:02:18The skull and crossbones flag continues to wave, searching for new victims. On the other side of the looking glass
00:02:24Things can happen. Legends have been told for a long time, legends that for some were
00:02:30A terrifying reality. Stories that reflect our deepest fears. And as always
00:02:37We will analyze the amazing images from our friends at Cuarto Milenio.
00:02:46Places of power. I'm sure you've heard this term more than once. And what
00:02:51Are they? Where are they? Old stories tell that even some kings, like Philip II, commissioned
00:02:59to design plans, maps of this kind of underworld. Of those places, for example, of
00:03:04Our peninsula, where mysterious energies are said to be concentrated. It seems that the ancients
00:03:10Wise people knew very well which places were positive and which were the complete opposite.
00:03:15Negative. Around the 20th century, several scientists spoke of Hartmann lines. Telluric lines.
00:03:20which can sometimes be underground waters, in special magnetic fields. But when they cross
00:03:25In these small networks that circulate around the world, mysterious things seem to happen.
00:03:32One of those places would undoubtedly be El Escorial. Here we have the plan. The foundation of what
00:03:37It was called the eighth wonder of the world. A place that surprises, that sometimes overwhelms.
00:03:42and that we always visit as tourists, without realizing many hidden clues that
00:03:47They always remain in the dark. Some say that Philip II knew very well that
00:03:52The place, El Escorial, was formerly called the mouth of hell. Why? And what do you say?
00:03:57of the black dog? A kind of figure that some chroniclers claim roamed around
00:04:02Those corridors. Some say the ghost of a child also appeared there. Fable or
00:04:06Reality, hidden history, or real documents. Let's try to find out. Let's travel.
00:04:11with Pablo Villarrubia through those corridors, through those mountains, through that place of power, the Escorial.
00:04:18In the foothills of the Sierra de Guadarrama stands a gigantic construction whose conception
00:04:23It followed the dictates of sacred geometry. There the royal monastery was built.
00:04:29of El Escorial, destined, according to legends, to cover the mouth of hell.
00:04:40Its origins trace back to the history of a mining town called Ferrería
00:04:45from Fuente Lámparas. It was formed as a result of an apparition of a virgin who did not protect
00:04:50to the town when the Black Death struck. Construction began in 1563
00:04:58of the famous and enigmatic Monastery Palace under the orders of the all-powerful monarch
00:05:03Philip II, lord and master of an empire of planetary dimensions.
00:05:07One of the legends that perhaps most caught Philip II's attention was the presence
00:05:12in this valley of some galleries of some iron mines through which it was said that one could access
00:05:17to hell. And perhaps the theological aspect weighed heavily on the monarch's mind to cover up the wrong.
00:05:23This entrance to hell was designed to prevent the forces of the underworld from escaping.
00:05:28Philip II's intention was very clear: to erect a building where [all] would be concentrated.
00:05:33All the powerful forces of good against those of evil. The choice of the enclave for
00:05:38The construction of this eighth wonder was not a matter of chance.
00:05:42He convened a meeting of experts that included doctors, astrologers, architects,
00:05:48Engineers and dowsers. The dowsers' fundamental mission was to find the energies
00:05:54telluric, that is, those energies that the earth has, whether due to tectonics, or the
00:05:59magnetism, which makes a place special, even from ancient times, for the location of a sanctuary.
00:06:05Philip II, the king of the world, projected simplicity in El Escorial, more than luxury.
00:06:11and wisdom. He was a defender of Catholic dogma and at the same time allowed himself to be
00:06:16to be seduced by the mysteries of astrology and alchemy.
00:06:20He was passionate about the creation of the philosopher's stone, the making of gold.
00:06:25and silver from base metals. And for that he hires a series of alchemists who
00:06:29They will work in the different areas where the monarch will reside.
00:06:33Although Philip II was a God-fearing man and a devout follower of the Church, his desire to find
00:06:38a relief from his physical torments and spared no effort in hiring the best
00:06:43alchemists for his cause.
00:06:44At the head of the distillation laboratory of that alchemical laboratory that has been described
00:06:49A Hieronymite friar was commonly found in the chronicles and testimonies of the time.
00:06:54Friar Francisco de Bonilla. He was in charge of preparing all these types of medicines.
00:06:58and to control all the technicians who worked in the laboratory.
00:07:01An annex to the monastery, the Mansion of Waters, was the true alchemical laboratory
00:07:07to make miraculous potions and other royal brews.
00:07:11They also prepared so-called alchemical medicines, such as the oil of
00:07:16bricks, sulfur oil, scorpion oil, and the star medicine of
00:07:23The alchemists believed it was potable gold. That liquid gold capable of curing all ailments.
00:07:28Diseases, as described in alchemical texts, were said to be
00:07:33If gold was the stone, the purest metal par excellence, it necessarily had to transmit
00:07:38that purity to the human body and eliminate all kinds of diseases and achieve health and
00:07:44prolong the lives of those who ingested it.
00:07:46But the alchemical potions could not free Philip II from a curse or persecution
00:07:52Apparently otherworldly. In a sinister way, with eerie eyes and extraordinary
00:07:58jaws equipped with long fangs.
00:08:01The legend of the black dog obsessed Philip II. There's a real part to it, and there's a part of it that...
00:08:06Legend. The real part is that a dog was indeed found roaming the underground tunnels.
00:08:10from the Escorial, which belonged to a court figure who ordered him to be hanged from a
00:08:14from the monastery windows. There is a part of the legend that corresponds to a sinister
00:08:19A black dog appeared at crucial moments in the life of Philip II. At the death of
00:08:24Prince Don Carlos, on the death of John of Austria, on the death of his wife Isabel
00:08:28of Paloas and also, of course, to top it all off, in his own death in the year 1598.
00:08:34According to legend, the execution of the beast in the monastery unleashed times of misfortune.
00:08:39for the royal family. The shadow of the ferocious and monstrous dog prowled the chambers of the
00:08:45King Philip II in his last moments of life.
00:08:53There is no doubt about it, we are in a special, different place, a place of power. Not only
00:08:59We say so, or those who are more or less specialists in journalism of the unknown. There are
00:09:03Historical books already, such as the esoteric and hermetic Escorial, studies such as architecture and
00:09:09magic, considerations about El Escorial, a wealth of literature and studies, and
00:09:14essays that attempted to explain why Philip II established himself in such a rugged, so
00:09:19Far from Madrid, so seemingly solitary at that time, its great location, its
00:09:24Temple, their place of power. Carmen, good night.
00:09:27Good evening, Eike.
00:09:27We have investigated and tried to trace it back to its original, unsettling origin.
00:09:33Mouth of Hell. Does this have any basis, does it make any sense?
00:09:36Yes, it is certainly no coincidence that Philip II built the monastery in this location.
00:09:42The place. The whole place had a legend; it was called the mouth of hell. There are other places.
00:09:47in our region that also has that name, but this was very special. Felipe
00:09:52II consults with geographers and also with astrologers and even orders them to follow the stars, the order
00:09:59from the stars, to build that structure there. And why at the mouth of hell? Well, to
00:10:04to alleviate precisely all the evil, demonic things that were concentrated in this place.
00:10:10It's very curious, because on the oldest maps, this place, once known as
00:10:15Escurial, as it appears in these documents, was a supplier with a significant bad reputation.
00:10:22Moreover, some say that despite that privileged shelter under the Abantos mountain range,
00:10:27Very strange things happened, diabolical apparitions, strange ancient pagan cults.
00:10:32Perhaps Philip II was trying to create a kind of shield of good fighting against evil.
00:10:37Some say, and many books have explored this topic in depth, that relics, images
00:10:43The paintings depicting saints at different moments in their lives were divine.
00:10:48A kind of counterweight to that evil that everyone said was there. Moreover, many
00:10:53It seems that those wise men, who gazed at the stars or practiced alchemical rituals, were among those who...
00:10:58who advised against carrying out the construction precisely there. Then, on some nights,
00:11:03Wandering alone through those corridors, Philip II perhaps lamented. There are chroniclers who say
00:11:08that he felt a great weight on his soul because of the many deaths that had occurred during construction
00:11:13of El Escorial. And there are those who also say that on those nights, those winter nights, there are
00:11:17that imagining them, around 1568, for example, whenever there was a tragic event, appeared
00:11:23the figure of a black dog or a child, a child as if burned to a crisp, wandering through the
00:11:27hallways.
00:11:32It was on June 21, 1577 that the most tremendous howls began to be heard.
00:11:39of what appears to be the black dog. The father of Villacastil, along with three other monks,
00:11:44They decided to go down to the basements. They could hear noises coming from right below Felipe's rooms.
00:11:50And when they go downstairs they find a big surprise: there is indeed a dog there.
00:11:56Black. Perhaps the black dog that others have seen fly, that they have seen howl. And like
00:12:00No, they hunt him down, manage to capture him with a leash, put him in a room, and tell Felipe
00:12:06II that the black dog of legends has finally been captured. Philip II does what
00:12:11It's an order for him to be hanged. And not only that, it says that no one should remove him from the window of the
00:12:17monastery where they hang him until the body of that demonic animal is completely
00:12:24rotten.
00:12:24How curious, because a year after this scene, during the long agony of 55 days
00:12:30Something happened to the most powerful king in the world. But before we tell you, we'd like to
00:12:35Continue traveling through El Escorial. Knowing those proportions, they say perfect. The number
00:12:40The golden ratio, the number that governs the exceptional throughout history. The same one that
00:12:46It seems to govern the pyramids and many other constructions. Philip II used it. Let's go
00:12:50to discover the other side of El Escorial.
00:12:54Before building the Escorial monastery, Philip II hired the librarian and scholar
00:13:00Benito Arias Montano, from Extremadura, also conducted studies on hermetic sciences.
00:13:06Jewish themes, especially about the Temple of Solomon.
00:13:11While living in Spain, Philip II built a library, one of the most important
00:13:15of the time, which would end up being the one that the Escorial has itself, because he ceded it in
00:13:20life. And many of those books are closely related to the Temple of Solomon, which is quite
00:13:25That makes sense, because at that time most books were studies about the Bible.
00:13:29And the measurements and description of the construction of Solomon's Temple are perfectly recounted.
00:13:34in the books of the Bible.
00:13:36For some modern architects, there is no doubt about the relationship between the Escorial
00:13:41and the mythical Temple of Solomon.
00:13:44When I see the first drawings from that time about the Temple of Solomon and
00:13:48Comparing them with current drawings of El Escorial, I see that the layouts are very similar.
00:13:53Especially if the layout of El Escorial is simplified and only the layout, the part
00:13:58half, the right side, the part of the convent. That part of the convent has four courtyards,
00:14:03Downstairs there is a large courtyard where the Evangelists' shrine is located.
00:14:07The Temple of Solomon followed the same layout. It was a rectangle with four courtyards.
00:14:11lower part and a large courtyard where the temple itself was located, situated in a courtyard surrounded
00:14:16of priests, which in El Escorial will be the friars' courtyard.
00:14:20Philip II wanted to reflect the knowledge of the Bible in the construction of El Escorial.
00:14:26For this he hired the most important architect of his time, Juan de Herrera from Cantabria,
00:14:32an initiate who handled elements of the occult sciences. He also hired a society
00:14:37The builders used a secret method to execute the work. They used sacred figures as a basis.
00:14:43of the triangle, square, and circle. These shapes are combined through what is called
00:14:49the sacred proportion or golden ratio, something that was already known since the time of
00:14:53The Greeks used the number 1.618, which represents what they knew as the divine proportion.
00:15:00It's one of the elements that makes buildings harmonious. It's the fundamental element.
00:15:06of a mathematical type that is found in all sacred buildings of the world.
00:15:09Philip II's obsession with the religious, fetishistic, and megalomaniacal culminated in a
00:15:15of the largest collections of relics in the Christian world.
00:15:18It is known that Philip II was a great collector of relics. He sent people all over the world to find them.
00:15:23the Christian world, and thanks to that tireless search, he collected 7,422 relics, no more
00:15:30Nor less. Among them are the head of Saint Benegild, bones of Saint Lawrence, and a miniature replica
00:15:36from the Shroud of Turin, which is 32 centimeters long. He also made it splatter all over the
00:15:42The Escorial monastery houses various relics to protect this sacred site. Some of them
00:15:47They're in those spheres that top the monastery's lightning rods. In other words, everything.
00:15:52The Escorial monastery would be protected by these 7,000 strategically placed relics.
00:15:58placed.
00:15:59A few kilometers from the monastery is a stone monument known as the Chair of
00:16:04Philip II, although it has nothing to do with the monarch. According to some theories, it was a
00:16:10pre-Christian altar possibly dedicated to Tutatis, the god Mars of the Celtic Betones.
00:16:16Surrounding it stretch the magnificent forests of the ironworks and thousands of gigantic trees
00:16:21rocks that attracted primitive men who wanted to see traces in their shapes
00:16:25of the gods.
00:16:26Ancient peoples often performed sacrifices of animals, but also of living beings.
00:16:32Humans. Initially, they were their own enemies, slaves; they even went so far as to sacrifice.
00:16:39to people who arrived late to meetings.
00:16:41The truth is that the Chair of Philip II and other places surrounding El Escorial do not leave anyone indifferent.
00:16:47to no one because they are considered places of power. Natural sanctuaries in the heart
00:16:53of the forests and mountains, which our ancestors worshipped.
00:17:04It appears that Philip II collected nearly 8,000 relics, a number exceeding
00:17:08of any other collector from any era. The feeling that their most...
00:17:13The consensus among those close to him was that any anatomy, as long as it belonged to a saint, was valid.
00:17:18for that struggle between good and evil that took place every night in El Escorial. And he arranged them
00:17:24in very special places, perhaps to be under its protective influence. Amazing relics,
00:17:29Carmen.
00:17:30Relics of all kinds, Iker, which he attracted from the most remote countries. Perhaps the most
00:17:35One of the most curious of them all is very little known, mainly because it is not open to the public.
00:17:41In general. It is only displayed once a year and it is an incorruptible host.
00:17:47A host that Philip II ordered to be brought to him from the parish of Gorkum in Holland. Precisely
00:17:54There, the story is told of a group of armed pirates who entered and desecrated that temple.
00:18:01sacred and the sacred forms are trampled upon. Precisely when one of the boots
00:18:07One of those armed characters steps on one of those shapes, and blood begins to flow from one of them.
00:18:14The story travels around the world, and when it reaches our country, Philip II orders
00:18:19that one of his men travel to Holland and retrieve that relic. Since then he has
00:18:24in the monastery of El Escorial, kept in one of the reliquaries.
00:18:28One of the products the monarch most sought after was so-called potable gold. Some
00:18:32It's also been said, though not proven, that he might have ingested it. It was a pretty brutal recipe.
00:18:36because it was liquid gold that, according to some experts of the time, mixed with blood
00:18:41and it provided vigor and vitality. Vigor and vitality that Philip certainly lacked.
00:18:46II. One need only look at the chronicles of his death. 55 long days of agony, bedridden
00:18:52in that bed, which also seemed unfit for a king. It was very austere, small even. There he ordered
00:18:58Place the worst paintings facing the wall, those by Bosch, the ones that look like revived nightmares
00:19:04And he died in front of those fictional beings. He was accompanied by a priest, Father José.
00:19:09from Sigüenza. Some say that that same night Philip II again felt the strange
00:19:14the howls of that fabulous creature, the black dog. Even some more recent chroniclers.
00:19:19as Ricardo Sepúlveda confirms that in the midst of the delirium of agony, Philip II fears again
00:19:26The dog's arrival. What heralded it? Footsteps. The footsteps of a beast advancing.
00:19:32through the corridors. He knew his encounter with evil was imminent. And perhaps
00:19:37On a September night in 1578, the most important man in the world thought he had not been
00:19:42It was a good idea to establish his temple right there, El Escorial. That made the news. That gave
00:19:48Around the world too. The strange death of the king. Secluded before such strange paintings.
00:19:54There are surely clues in that scene that we still can't understand. But the news
00:19:58They continued. So much so that in this 21st century there are also many who speak of strange codes.
00:20:03Let's discuss them. This is a chronicle of seven days on Cuarto Milenio.
00:20:28Philip II had another favorite seat of power. It wasn't El Escorial. It was Toledo. And apparently
00:20:34Some surprising things have happened there lately, Carmen.
00:20:37A team of cleaning technicians in charge of cleaning the chapel of Saint John the Baptist,
00:20:42The Toledo Cathedral has made a unique discovery: mural paintings that appear to belong to...
00:20:47to the 15th and 18th centuries. The discovery occurred by chance when they were
00:20:52Preparing the walls to be painted. That's when some of the plaster came loose.
00:20:58which covered the walls and revealed mural paintings considered to be of great importance.
00:21:02value. According to Santiago Calvo de Anne, from Toledo Cathedral, these paintings refer to
00:21:07to the life of Saint John the Baptist, to the baptism of Jesus Christ by Saint John and the beheading
00:21:13of this saint. Now a group of specialists is expected to restore the mural painting.
00:21:17of which only a part can be seen, and restore this chapel, whose current appearance
00:21:22It is the result of works carried out in the 15th century to adapt it to a funerary chapel.
00:21:27We were talking about a time of strange creatures. They believed themselves to be, for example, dragons,
00:21:32They were a constant presence. What wasn't known back then was that there were real dragons.
00:21:36that exist, that are real.
00:21:38Yes, and they were born at the London Zoo. No less than four cubs.
00:21:42of Komodo dragons. Of these reptiles, which are endangered, there are still
00:21:47Very little is known about it, and there are even doubts about its method of reproduction, as it is speculated
00:21:52so that the mother, Sungai, can house sperm or fertilized eggs for two years.
00:21:57Although specialists also point to the possibility that it can self-fertilize.
00:22:02Therefore, biologists want to investigate their DNA to determine if they have been fertilized.
00:22:06by a male. The birth of these cubs has caused a great stir among zoologists,
00:22:11since these are the first Komodo dragons born in Europe.
00:22:15Incidentally, viewers don't just send us information to supplement the
00:22:18investigations. Sometimes they show us affection that even leaves us feeling self-conscious.
00:22:22We must thank Ciudad Real and San Sebastián. Millennium III, the companion ship
00:22:28The show "Cuarto Milenio" has been visiting these towns, and the truth is that the reception has been...
00:22:34It was very pleasant. We were there until the early hours of the morning, until six in the morning.
00:22:39on many occasions with all the friends of the Iker Mystery Show. And the truth is that we have lived
00:22:44different evenings.
00:22:45Two thousand people in Ciudad Real at the University Auditorium. At 1:30 in the morning.
00:22:50when our performance was starting. The same thing happened at the Cursal Palace in San Sebastián.
00:22:54Quite a symbol. More than two thousand people. The truth is, the Mystery Ship is proud.
00:22:58to have this kind of audience. That's where all the friends of Milenio and Cuarto Milenio got together.
00:23:02And the truth is, it's a pleasure for us. It's our duty to try every week, here.
00:23:06And on the radio, do better. For all of you. We're off now with many more topics.
00:23:11Carmen, did you know there were pirates in the 21st century?
00:23:13No, I thought that was from centuries past.
00:23:16Well, I thought so too. Boardings in 2005, pirates with the latest technology.
00:23:21We're going to learn about stories like the pirate women of bygone eras and some bloodthirsty ones
00:23:26Spanish pirates. There was one from Galicia who could have been our own Bluebeard. Quite surprising.
00:23:32We'll be back in a few minutes, here on Cuarto Milenio.
00:24:15A very recent international report has left me stunned. Apparently, in 2005,
00:24:20There were 245 genuine boardings on the high seas, also caused by genuine pirates.
00:24:26I thought that hackers were already computer hackers, certainly in this 21st century. A century of
00:24:32computers, GPS, and yet it seems that the sinister flag with the skull
00:24:37And the shinbones still wave on the seven seas. It also seems that pirates are no more
00:24:42Only ancient fictional figures, worthy of legend. There were corsairs, certainly.
00:24:47There were pirates in Spain. Galicians and Basques, it seems, were particularly skilled in these pursuits.
00:24:52malevolent. Columbus is also referred to as a pirate. There were even female privateers.
00:24:58We're going to learn all this in a report, a report that takes us into the world
00:25:03of the real corsairs.
00:25:09In the early days of navigation, there was a flag far more feared than that of any other.
00:25:15Power. Its mere appearance, a skull with two crossed bones, foreshadowed blood and death.
00:25:22when some distraught lookout spotted her and shouted, "Pirates!"
00:25:33This word comes from Greek and means "one who seeks fortune." That's why its origins...
00:25:39They date back to the beginnings of maritime trade. Already in the ancient Roman Empire, the all-powerful
00:25:46Julius Caesar was once a prisoner of Cilician pirates. The mythical Mare Nostrum was
00:25:52infested with ruthless corsairs who attacked the most prosperous ports and ships
00:25:57that they were heading there. However, the most atrocious pages of its dark history were written
00:26:05in the 16th and 17th centuries and were set in the Spanish Caribbean, where the age of
00:26:12Pirate gold. Cruel characters like Henry Morgan, a great naval strategist who had
00:26:20He kept the Spanish fleet in check in the Caribbean for years, acting as a privateer for the crown.
00:26:25British and who in 1670 carried out one of the greatest feats of the Ocean Sea, the assault on Panama.
00:26:34The Frenchman Jean David Nau, who went down in history as the Dutchman, amassed an immense fortune and dyed
00:26:41The Caribbean was bloody with its cruelty. It is said that he slaughtered all the crew members of a
00:26:47A captured frigate, and from many of them, he ripped the hearts out of their chests to display them. His end was
00:26:54Worthy of his infinite evil. The Holonese was devoured alive by cannibals.
00:27:01The history of piracy also features women like Anne Bonny, who left her husband and
00:27:07She ran away with the notorious sea bandit Calico Jack. Anne, like her friend Mary Reed, murdered,
00:27:14She stole and lived like a pirate, spending half her life disguised as a man.
00:27:21But of all the pirates who have sailed the seven seas and sown terror, in every
00:27:27Of all the eras, there is one that surpasses all others in cruelty, and whose legend rivals that of the greatest figures.
00:27:34of history. Blackbeard.
00:27:38Born Edward Teach, he started as a privateer until he acquired his own ship
00:27:43ship, the Queen Anne's Revenge. In a few months, he amasses an immense fortune of his own.
00:27:49Of kings. His appearance was simply terrifying. Over six feet tall, 285 pounds
00:27:58He was heavyset and had a thick black beard that grew below his eyes and ended at his chest.
00:28:05It was so thick that she braided the strands with ribbons. Her clothes and hands accumulated
00:28:11Blood and grease from a thousand and one battles. They say he drank a mixture of alcohol and gunpowder that
00:28:17His gaze was disturbingly red. It was said that he made a pact with the devil to become
00:28:23sea demon. And that Satan himself roamed his ship on dark nights
00:28:29in the middle of the ocean. Whether he sold his soul to the devil or not, no one will know. But the truth is
00:28:36It took 25 saber wounds and four gunshots to bring him down. And to be sure
00:28:43Because he would not return from the afterlife, his head was cut off and displayed with all the
00:28:48Ribbons of his beard, stained with blood. Times have changed and the seas are no longer
00:28:58The unprotected and forgotten places of yesteryear where murderers and thieves took refuge. Few
00:29:05There are still corners of the globe that escape the strict control of the authorities. Even so, in 2005 alone...
00:29:11More than 245 acts of piracy were reported. 21st-century privateers, especially in
00:29:18In the vicinity of Indonesia, they carry out veritable boarding actions. The authorities have proposed installing
00:29:25an electrified 9000-volt shield on their boats and others have filled some
00:29:31Towns with fierce portraits under the slogan "Wanted." It's as if time, in this era
00:29:38Digitally, it would have barely changed at sea. There, where an icon of horror in the form of
00:29:44The flag stares at us with its hollow eyes, searching for wealth and death.
00:29:57Juanot de Villaviciosa, Juan de Erauso, Pedro de Aguirre, were indeed Basque corsairs and still are
00:30:03You can find literature about these stories. It's fascinating. And we've tried.
00:30:09Navigating, quite literally, through this topic will lead us to uncover hidden clues. It's a world
00:30:14It seems old-fashioned, it seems like a fable, and yet it's real. As real as the fact that in this year 2005,
00:30:20Last year, 2005, there were countless boardings. It's unbelievable, Gerardo Peláez.
00:30:25Good evening, but that's how it is. Good evening, Iker. That's right. And I think that people at home aren't
00:30:28is
00:30:29aware that pirates still exist today. There were 245 boardings in 2005 across all seas.
00:30:35especially in areas of somewhat third-world countries, where police control does not reach those waters
00:30:41And where pirates, naturally, roam freely. But the most curious fact is that in
00:30:46This year, 2006, in the first quarter, there have been 61 attacks carried out by pirates.
00:30:5061. And what are these new pirates like, Gerardo? I imagine they won't be sailing the old galleons.
00:30:55of yesteryear, nor of course with a skull on their flag to identify them. Will they use
00:31:00Modern technology? Indeed. Today, what they're looking for most is practicality. They partner
00:31:05With the new technology, for example, they use very fast, small boats, and they usually attack
00:31:09or board the ships with at least two boats to corner them. And then they use
00:31:15They also use the latest weapons technology, GPS, smoke grenades, and grenade launchers.
00:31:20Also, machine guns. Their methods are certainly very curious and very gruesome.
00:31:25It must be said that, logically, nowadays the ships that are attacked are not loaded.
00:31:30of treasures as in days of old. Of gold ingots as in days of old. Indeed. Then the cargo
00:31:35It cannot bring them so much wealth, so they employ a new tactic that, if possible,
00:31:39It's even more sinister. It's kidnapping. They kidnap the crew members of those ships.
00:31:44And then they demand a ransom. Gerardo, I know you were excited about the story of a
00:31:47A Spanish pirate whose legend transcended all seas. Was he Galician?
00:31:51Yes, he was Galician. Benito Soto Aboal. Here he is. He's a pirate, perhaps the most famous.
00:31:56Of all those who were in Spain, and there were, as you rightly said before, and had a career
00:32:01dazzling. This young Galician embarked very early on a slave ship, he went to Brazil
00:32:08And realize the weight he carried, the charisma he had among his own colleagues
00:32:13from the ship, that there had been a mutiny on that vessel. And Benito Soto, his own comrades, told him
00:32:18They appointed captain of what became known as Black Mockery.
00:32:23The Black Mockery was the name of the ship.
00:32:25The name of the pirate ship on which Benito Soto committed his misdeeds over five
00:32:31Just a few months, but they were five spectacular months. For example, here we have
00:32:36an engraving from the time of perhaps the most terrifying event committed by Benito Soto and
00:32:42The crew of the Black Mockery carried out the assault, the boarding of an English ship, the Morning
00:32:46Star. The captain and first officers of the Morning Star were slaughtered. Directly.
00:32:52Without a word, they were brutally murdered. We also have recordings of the violence here.
00:32:58with which they were employed. They slaughtered them, as I said, and then the rest of the crew
00:33:04Perhaps they did something even more diabolical. For example, the women tried to abuse
00:33:09of them and what they did to... Benito Soto didn't want to leave any trace and didn't want
00:33:13to leave witnesses. Well, what he did was drill some holes in the hull of the Morning Star,
00:33:18to lock the entire crew, including those who remained, in the hold, completely isolated,
00:33:22And they left, hoping the Morning Star would sink. Well, it didn't sink, and they arrived
00:33:27After two months, you realize, being really close to the coast, but it took two months
00:33:31Upon reaching the nearest shore, they logically reported the misdeed they had committed.
00:33:38Benito Soto and the crew of the Black Joke with the passengers of the Morning Star.
00:33:41Of course, history, and especially recent very successful films, it must be said
00:33:45Thus, very well done, they have shown us a more or less heroic image. But the reality
00:33:49It differs greatly from that kind of beatific mirror. They were bloodthirsty. How did life end?
00:33:55From Benito Soto? Because pirates didn't know how to live very well either, did they?
00:33:58Yes, no, indeed. They all have a period of one year, two years, three years of misdeeds.
00:34:03because then the authorities quickly put all their resources into trying to hunt them down.
00:34:07Furthermore, they were people who caused a lot of commotion, both through their actions and their robberies.
00:34:12that they committed and the treasures they captured. Benito Soto, with all he amassed, the fortune
00:34:17He went to Galicia, his native Galicia, to sell, let's say, everything he had stolen.
00:34:23and to extract money. He was convicted of murder and piracy and hanged. After the
00:34:30months, he spent many months in a cell, his appearance changed completely, he became
00:34:33emaciated on a rather robust person. This engraving is from months earlier.
00:34:38of being executed.
00:34:40And did they dismember him?
00:34:41They dismembered him to imply that this was the fate that awaited anyone.
00:34:46A pirate who threatened the English crown was quartered and his remains were displayed.
00:34:51on the coasts of Gibraltar to scare away any pirates who might try to follow their path.
00:34:58Well, there's the hidden story of what I don't know about a Spanish pirate, a pirate
00:35:01Galician in this case, a surprising story that ended in the worst way. By the way,
00:35:06In Gerardo's report there was something even more surprising. Women, women
00:35:11corsair, pirate women, bloodthirsty women.
00:35:13Yes, exactly the same as men, really. The only thing that differentiated women was...
00:35:17The fact is that to belong to a pirate crew, they often had to
00:35:21They go disguised as men, passing themselves off as pirates. This is the case of Amboni, whom we see here.
00:35:26However, she was luckier because she just happened to fall in love with a fearsome pirate captain.
00:35:32At the time, she was called Calico Jack and left her husband, who was a governor of a
00:35:37A very rich and prosperous region, he left for Calico Jack, Amboni embarked and began
00:35:41to commit misdeeds alongside Calico Jack and another pirate who was also with
00:35:47They were on the ship and acted with the same ruthlessness as their male counterparts.
00:35:52The chronicle of the hidden history of pirates and privateers. It seems that some
00:35:56They want to revive old glories, and as we said, that the old flag, even if it is not displayed,
00:36:02Although I didn't wave, I'm still present. Gerardo, thank you so much, my friend.
00:36:04Thanks to you, Iker.
00:36:05We have indeed shown, for example, engravings by this Benito Soto. Certainly.
00:36:09Photographs didn't exist at that time. Now let's look at them, at the unsettling photographs.
00:36:14different, different, those that arrive here, sent by the friends of Cuarto Milenio.
00:36:38It's strange to take a photograph through the window of an airplane in mid-flight.
00:36:42But some friends of Cuarto Milenio seem to have succeeded, Carmen.
00:36:46Lorenzo Gallego, Vijarro, from Badajoz, sent us this image and also told us
00:36:51A curious story. It didn't happen to them, but to a couple of friends who were traveling in a
00:36:56During a transatlantic flight, a huge storm suddenly begins, causing great fear among the crew.
00:37:02as well as the passengers who were on that plane for their own lives. They believe the plane
00:37:07It's going to crash, but the storm passes, everything calms down, and what emerges is a tremendous rainbow.
00:37:12That's why they decide to take the photograph. When they return home from that trip, which they say
00:37:18who were saved thanks to someone who was there to help them, which they capture in a
00:37:24What's really curious about their images is that they're nebulae, and they think they see a figure.
00:37:30The image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. And it is indeed shocking, but there may be an explanation.
00:37:38Even so, we would need to have the original image to verify that this hypothesis is true.
00:37:44These orange tones, accompanied by strong contrasts, seem to correspond more to a photograph
00:37:49practically burned or veiled. Furthermore, we have no reference to the landscape at any point.
00:37:55or at the height or even at that rainbow they were taking.
00:37:59There is one element that has become characteristic: many photographs appear.
00:38:03Many people are curious to know what they are. Some call them orbs, Carmen.
00:38:08Well, that's the first explanation we have to give to our friend Ana Vega, who took this photograph.
00:38:12In Egypt, at the Saqqara temple. And there, as happens on many other photographic occasions.
00:38:18These circles appeared, sent to us by our viewers.
00:38:22She finds it strange for one reason: because they are concentric circles in which she believes she sees an eye.
00:38:27But those circles have an explanation. Those orbs, as the experts call them,
00:38:32It is a result of the camera's optics reflecting a particle, insect, or even a raindrop
00:38:38intense
00:38:39that creates that effect with the flash light.
00:38:41In other words, a reflection.
00:38:42Indeed.
00:38:43Now let's talk about much more terrifying reflections.
00:38:46I'm sure you've been told the story before.
00:38:48A girl or a boy, naked, in front of a mirror, performing a strange ritual, lighting candles,
00:38:54singing a series of incantations that no one knows where they come from or where they go.
00:38:58What are they after? To see the future.
00:39:00But sometimes the surprises are too macabre.
00:39:02Playing with this type of spiritualism is usually expensive.
00:39:05We are going to tell you a harrowing story.
00:39:08Veronica.
00:39:14Veronica.
00:39:16Veronica.
00:39:20Veronica.
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00:40:01The story of the huntress
00:40:21The story told us, or at least the popular rumor, that upon arriving at that girl's house
00:40:26Looking for a new date, the boy realized that the girl had died three years ago.
00:40:31and she was buried.
00:40:32Moreover, going to the cemetery, going to the cemetery, they found the garment, the jacket, on
00:40:38the gravestone.
00:40:38This is an urban legend, we know that for sure; it's a modern myth. It gets copied from text to text.
00:40:43And right now, it's blog-to-blog or website-to-website. It's the new life of this
00:40:48type of stories.
00:40:49But viewers of Cuarto Milenio have even found references, clippings, and stories that allude to the exact place where everything
00:40:56began.
00:40:57It's that nightclub, Alberto Granados, androids.
00:40:59Good evening, yes. The Androids nightclub. We were saying that the important thing about this urban legend was that we had located it in
00:41:04a specific geographical point.
00:41:06And it was that nightclub on Alfares street, in the Cuatro Caminos area of Talavera de la Reina.
00:41:10And we had been investigating and knew for a fact that that nightclub existed.
00:41:16There had even been talk of strange rumors circulating about that nightclub, that noises were being heard, that...
00:41:21They had seen apparitions.
00:41:22Some even said that blood had emanated from some of the walls of the nightclub.
00:41:27In other words, the story surrounding that nightclub was already quite curious.
00:41:30A marked place that gave rise to a new urban legend.
00:41:34Our next story might be too.
00:41:36A simple rumor or extraction of various stories combined into one.
00:41:41Who hasn't gone to talk about Veronica?
00:41:43Let's get to know, let's experience, let's feel that urban legend.
00:41:46The story of Veronica and her night in front of the mirror.
00:41:50Sandra trembled as she approached the room of that unsettling woman.
00:41:55They had told him about his powers, about the number of times he had been infallibly right about others.
00:42:01And now she needed to know something more about her future.
00:42:06She had been nervous for too long after the dreams that repeated themselves to her night after night.
00:42:11Dreams in which a mysterious mirror always appeared.
00:42:24The woman began to gently place some old letters one by one.
00:42:31Suddenly, one with the image of death landed on the table.
00:42:37After a few seconds of silence, that witch confessed a secret to him.
00:42:42Veronica's story.
00:42:45A young woman who, after invoking spirits through a Ouija board, died under strange circumstances.
00:42:52It was, apparently, the only way to see the immediate future.
00:42:56Sitting naked in front of a mirror, with a candle, and repeating the name Veronica three times.
00:43:03The psychic assured her that after that ritual, she would have impressive revelations.
00:43:11And at twelve o'clock sharp, just as the old witchcraft tradition said, the ritual began.
00:43:19She undressed, lit the candle, and began to repeat that name while staring at a fixed point.
00:43:28Veronica, Veronica, Veronica.
00:43:32And little by little, with terror taking hold of his soul, he began to see figures emerging.
00:43:41like ghosts from another time.
00:43:44And the image of his tomb, of his own funeral, reflected in the glass.
00:43:51After all, darkness and silence.
00:43:56The darkness of death.
00:43:58And the silence of his own stopped heart.
00:44:05Veronica, Veronica, Veronica.
00:44:13The mirror that had reflected the future, nothing more and nothing less.
00:44:17A funereal future, a future of death.
00:44:20The story tells us, Alberto, that this girl died from the shock of seeing that image of her own shroud.
00:44:24Yes, especially seeing himself with the same physical appearance he had at that very moment.
00:44:28Therefore, she doesn't look aged; she looks the same age she was at that time.
00:44:33Therefore, there is an important lesson in this urban legend, which is perhaps why it is constructed.
00:44:37And you have to be very careful with spiritualism.
00:44:39Whatever the method, device, or belief of each person.
00:44:43Especially young people.
00:44:44In people whose minds are still not very well structured and formed.
00:44:47Real tragedies are not urban legends.
00:44:50We have many cases of death after practicing spiritualism.
00:44:53So please, everyone pay close attention.
00:44:55This is no game.
00:44:57Some of the most rudimentary systems in the beginning of spiritualism had to do with mirrors.
00:45:02And this is not for nothing, it is not trivial.
00:45:04Since the earliest cultures, the mirror has been a kind of invocatory place.
00:45:08Even as an oracle.
00:45:10Some old legends, even those related to objects we have discussed here, such as Solomon's table,
00:45:15They spoke of it as a kind of table, as polished as a mirror, where one could see the future.
00:45:20That kind of surface where what is coming or what is going to happen is reflected, is an absolute constant
00:45:26throughout history.
00:45:27Sometimes they brought us positive messages, messages, as you rightly said, of being able to see the future.
00:45:32And sometimes they brought us negative messages.
00:45:34Some people said that one could even connect with the devil through the mirror.
00:45:38Look, in that tradition, in that folklore, it is even said that mirrors could trap the soul.
00:45:44And in fact, when someone was dying, the family was supposed to turn the mirrors around,
00:45:50He covered them so that the soul of the person who was going to die would not get caught in the mirrors.
00:45:55Therefore, tradition, even in South America, says that it also covered mirrors during storms.
00:46:01because they said they could also be dangerous.
00:46:04And it's curious because, for example, in some Islamic countries,
00:46:06We find absolute aversion to mirrors, in some cases, and especially to photographs.
00:46:12And that's even more true if both factors are combined.
00:46:15For some ancient cultures, for example, allowing oneself to be photographed is to leave one's soul there, trapped.
00:46:20You will also remember images as shocking as these.
00:46:23They are photographs of deceased people.
00:46:25A practice established in our country well into the 20th century.
00:46:28The feeling some had was that, precisely, the last memory, the last image,
00:46:33It remained reflected there, in a glass negative, like something almost magical.
00:46:37Conversely, there was also a fear.
00:46:39It seems that the soul of that person could be condemned.
00:46:59It is very curious to observe this kind of human approach to the world of mirrors
00:47:04It has many clues that also have to do with divination and even prophecy, Alberto.
00:47:09And they have their own name, catoptomancy.
00:47:11It is the art of predicting the future.
00:47:13Catoptomancy.
00:47:14Through the looking glass.
00:47:15We could even talk about Nostradamus, who used a bowl of water to make his prophecies.
00:47:20In other words, we're talking about history.
00:47:22If we go back in time, legend and tradition tell us that on the night of San Juan
00:47:26It was a very special night related to mirrors.
00:47:29Because it is said that if a young woman looked through a mirror on the famous night of Saint
00:47:34Juan
00:47:34She could see the face of her beloved.
00:47:36In other words, there are also positive things in the art of the mirror.
00:47:40Candles, vapor, numbers appearing in the middle of the water vapor,
00:47:43"The scene of your own funeral, the scene of a crime, or the scene of a wedding," some said.
00:47:48And these were ways of approaching the future.
00:47:50That eternal need to know what's going to happen.
00:47:53Sometimes it has dire consequences.
00:47:56Remember Veronica's story.
00:47:57And remember, whether it's an urban legend or not, you certainly shouldn't practice those kinds of rituals.
00:48:02By the way, to reassure the audience a bit,
00:48:04There is no data to confirm that this ever happened.
00:48:07There really was a woman named Veronica.
00:48:09As with almost all urban legends, I believe there is no evidence to support it.
00:48:12But what I can assure you is that tonight
00:48:14None of our viewers are going to look in the mirror. That's for sure.
00:48:18Alberto Granados, thank you very much, colleague.
00:48:20And now I would like to invite you to a meeting that I would call historic.
00:48:24It's going to be on Friday.
00:48:25We've called it Deciphering the Code, here on Cuatro.
00:48:28A different, special night, with exclusive images of, as you can probably guess,
00:48:33the movie that they say is going to break all box office records.
00:48:36The Da Vinci Code.
00:48:37Let's delve deeper into that film
00:48:40and in the great mystery of this book.
00:48:41Because I believe the key issue is not whether or not Jesus had descendants,
00:48:46which is also interesting,
00:48:48If there was a Priory of Sion where Da Vinci, Newton, and so many other important men were.
00:48:52who guarded jealous secrets.
00:48:55Nor if there is a small village in the French Pyrenees
00:48:58where there are actually documents that speak of that sacred lineage
00:49:01or the mysteries of works of art.
00:49:03Yes, we're going to do it with specialists.
00:49:06But I tell you that I am more interested in something else.
00:49:08What's real in here?
00:49:10What key themes has Dan Brown touched upon?
00:49:13What emotional chord has been struck in millions of people?
00:49:16from any continent, origin, religion?
00:49:19Why have they all felt the same way?
00:49:21Why have they become hooked on this plot?
00:49:23What does the code contain?
00:49:24What is the enigma of Jesus?
00:49:25And what do all the scattered keys have in common?
00:49:28That night will be the perfect time to dot the i's and cross the t's.
00:49:33A story that I think will also captivate many people.
00:49:35Because?
00:49:36Because we have a documentary with an exceptional guide.
00:49:39A man who is not very fond of making statements.
00:49:42Dan Brown, no more, no less.
00:49:44Interventions by specialists of the stature of Umberto Eco.
00:49:46And that way we'll know if there's a lot of fiction in it.
00:49:48part of reality and where the balance tips.
00:49:52Deciphering the code, in four.
00:49:54As I said, a historic night.
00:50:12They are fully aware,
00:50:14They have even provided detailed information on many patients,
00:50:16then what happened in the operating room at that moment,
00:50:19when he was under arrest,
00:50:20Well, maybe in the middle of an operation
00:50:22and there has been a cardiac stress failure,
00:50:25Or, come on, blood pressure,
00:50:26or a product of the anesthesia and such.
00:50:28I was high up and I was seeing what they were doing to me.
00:50:31And he was seeing it all.
00:50:32And he kept hitting me, and I didn't react.
00:50:35They started showing me a movie.
00:50:38But very fast, very fast, very fast.
00:50:40And then when I saw myself as a little girl,
00:50:42I saw myself at 6 or 7 years old, at 5, at 12, come on,
00:50:46everything, everything, everything.
00:51:01Life after life.
00:51:03The testimonies are there.
00:51:04The reporters from Cuarto Milenio usually,
00:51:06like the rest of the team,
00:51:09They are objective people,
00:51:10even distant from the topics they discuss.
00:51:13Their mission is clear,
00:51:14inform and let you form your own opinion.
00:51:17However, regarding the topic of ECMs,
00:51:18near-death experiences,
00:51:20There was an emotional factor that I would like to reveal.
00:51:23Luis Álvarez is the author of these reports.
00:51:25Luis, good evening.
00:51:26Good evening, Iker.
00:51:27You can't talk about this subject with such detachment,
00:51:30because you experienced something similar.
00:51:31I would like you to tell the viewers.
00:51:33Yes, indeed, I had an NDE.
00:51:35a near-death experience,
00:51:36not as Moody tells it,
00:51:37That too, for me at least, is a guarantee.
00:51:41Moreover, under very curious circumstances.
00:51:42I was covering the war in Afghanistan.
00:51:45for several Spanish media outlets
00:51:47And there we had a very serious accident
00:51:50due to an anti-personnel mine
00:51:52which, well, was activated on the road.
00:51:55We went off the road.
00:51:56One of my companions, who was with me, also died.
00:51:59And indeed, that's how it was.
00:52:00The thing is, it's not as Moody describes it.
00:52:03I don't see a tunnel.
00:52:04Is your body inside the car?
00:52:06Is he being fired?
00:52:07I was inside the car.
00:52:09We did several somersaults.
00:52:10I lost consciousness, and regained it several times.
00:52:12during ambulance transport,
00:52:14arriving at the military hospital, etc., etc.
00:52:17What's so curious about this, Iker?
00:52:20Making a documentary like this gives you, perhaps,
00:52:23the ability to when you are in front of someone
00:52:24You recognize someone who has experienced it as such.
00:52:26Has this happened to you?
00:52:27Yes of course.
00:52:28Furthermore, it has been, let's say, very, in quotes,
00:52:30It's therapeutic to see this in front of people
00:52:32who also suffered something similar.
00:52:34Some car accidents,
00:52:35others due to cardiorespiratory arrest in the operating room
00:52:38and have them tell you about a similar experience.
00:52:41For me it's not that important, as I said,
00:52:43What have they seen?
00:52:44but what is the change that operates
00:52:46once something has happened to you.
00:52:47But what exactly did you see?
00:52:48Well, I saw several things.
00:52:51I saw, for example, a relative,
00:52:52But I didn't contact any of them.
00:52:56Also when I say see...
00:52:57When you talk about family,
00:52:58Are you referring to a deceased relative?
00:52:59Yes, of course, absolutely.
00:53:00Specifically, there were three deceased family members.
00:53:03And the thing is, I didn't make contact with them
00:53:05They didn't reveal anything to me or anything like that.
00:53:08But perhaps the most important thing about this whole experience
00:53:09And you think that after that,
00:53:11Look, I don't enter through a tunnel,
00:53:13I appear directly in a black and white scene,
00:53:14also a leaden black and white,
00:53:16As a photographer,
00:53:18Well, I'm learning to distinguish these nuances a little better.
00:53:22And look, the strangest thing is that we went in,
00:53:24I enter a meadow
00:53:26and then at the end there's like a kind of illumination
00:53:29very strong but not enough to blind,
00:53:31which is testimony that they have confirmed
00:53:32absolutely everyone we were able to interview,
00:53:35But you do have what is called
00:53:37an expansion of consciousness,
00:53:38which is an indescribable feeling,
00:53:40In fact, it is the ineffable,
00:53:41Those who have experienced it know what it is.
00:53:42Those who haven't experienced it...
00:53:43Do you know it's not a dream?
00:53:45Of course, of course.
00:53:46It's a change that operates, as I say,
00:53:48at all levels of consciousness.
00:53:50And at that moment when you saw those scenes
00:53:52more or less similar to what they say
00:53:54some testimonies from the reports,
00:53:56Was your body trapped in the car?
00:53:58Between life and death?
00:53:59Probably, probably.
00:54:01When I say I don't know,
00:54:01when I lose consciousness,
00:54:03when I lose consciousness,
00:54:04It's true that I don't have either.
00:54:05an out-of-body experience,
00:54:06I cannot confirm the exact location,
00:54:08I know this from external references
00:54:11from some witnesses who saw the accident,
00:54:12other fellow journalists in particular,
00:54:16who didn't take too long to rescue us.
00:54:19But perhaps that in itself is not so important.
00:54:21The fact that they take you out,
00:54:22you see yourself from above,
00:54:23but what happens next.
00:54:25Did you see yourself from above?
00:54:26No way, not at all.
00:54:28Not at all.
00:54:28That is, as I say,
00:54:29It's not a typical Moody experience,
00:54:31because almost all of them are cut from the same pattern.
00:54:33In fact, I was in the tunnel,
00:54:35But not from the beginning, Iker.
00:54:36I entered the tunnel at the end.
00:54:38Moreover, when I touch that light,
00:54:40There is something, let's put it that way,
00:54:42who doesn't even talk to me,
00:54:43It's not a voice that speaks to you,
00:54:45It's like a concept that is learned,
00:54:46with H inserted,
00:54:48and you end up falling for one,
00:54:50I don't know how to say it,
00:54:51a black hole,
00:54:52a wormhole,
00:54:53And you return to reality again.
00:54:54And you find yourself on a hospital gurney,
00:54:56with vital signs connected
00:54:57to a machine, to a device,
00:54:59and you come back,
00:55:00You don't really know what happened,
00:55:01What you do know is that you haven't been scared.
00:55:03This is important too, Iker.
00:55:04You haven't been scared.
00:55:05I don't live in fear.
00:55:06What do you remember about the scene with his family?
00:55:08What did their faces look like?
00:55:09What do I remember?
00:55:10Well, it was in black and white,
00:55:12I only remember that one of them
00:55:14He was aware that I was there,
00:55:15and the other two did not.
00:55:16The other two couldn't see me.
00:55:18What's more, I had, you see,
00:55:19And I'm remembering that now,
00:55:21I had a feeling that I shouldn't wake them up.
00:55:23They were as if asleep,
00:55:24like a kind of dream.
00:55:27One of them, as I say,
00:55:28Yes, I was aware that he was there,
00:55:29But I didn't engage at any point
00:55:30contact with them.
00:55:31Luis, finally,
00:55:32Does this change your perspective on death?
00:55:36Of course,
00:55:37Why not?
00:55:38Otherwise, it would be living a life of inconsequential poverty.
00:55:42Let's put it this way.
00:55:44Thank you,
00:55:44and well,
00:55:45We are fortunate because of that experience,
00:55:47Well,
00:55:48It ended well in the end.
00:55:49And you're here with us.
00:55:50Thank you, Luis.
00:55:51Thank you.
00:55:52We'll leave it at that.
00:55:53because the issue has other facets,
00:55:55other stories.
00:55:56By the way,
00:55:56Images that blend light tunnels,
00:55:59antique paintings,
00:56:01organizational charts that show us
00:56:03the functioning of the brain.
00:56:04Where have these people been?
00:56:21Thank you.
00:56:22Thank you.
00:56:22Thank you.
00:56:46Testimonies from real cases reveal that there is life after death.
00:56:50This was the title of Dr. Raymond Moody's international bestseller, Life After Life.
00:56:56The upheaval was absolute, comparable to that of the famous Da Vinci Code in our times.
00:57:02Millions of individuals said they had lived through the same experience.
00:57:05The tunnel of light, the beings that appear at the end of this kind of passageway to another world, saying that
00:57:11It's not our time yet.
00:57:12Even the sensation of seeing ourselves rise from our own bodies, how human flesh is left behind,
00:57:18how we can even perceive the operations we are being subjected to.
00:57:24But that interest or that phenomenon is very old, it goes much further back.
00:57:29There is a document that shook me to my core.
00:57:31It is inside one of the most terrible prisons of the Renaissance, in the Pozzi of Venice.
00:57:38Its author, one of the most enigmatic painters of all time.
00:57:41And Gronimus Vanaken, Bosch.
00:57:43And that painting was called, he titled it, Visions of the Afterlife.
00:57:47It was written exactly 500 years ago, when we certainly knew nothing about Moody.
00:57:52We didn't even have machines to tell when we were dead or alive.
00:57:55However, this genius drew the tunnel of light.
00:57:59And I believe, for the first time in the history of art, no less, a three-dimensional tunnel.
00:58:04A prodigious light.
00:58:05And those beings who, raising their hands, may be telling us that it is not our time.
00:58:10Do visions of the afterlife still occur?
00:58:13Let's delve into a really interesting job.
00:58:17Something that touches the soul of thousands of people.
00:58:20NDEs, near-death experiences.
00:58:28There is life after death.
00:58:30Will we go anywhere on our final journey?
00:58:35Very few have been on the verge of death.
00:58:38Those who managed to cross the threshold and returned to tell the tale.
00:58:42This was their experience crossing the final frontier.
00:58:54And it was as if I went up.
00:58:57And then I began to see my body.
00:58:59But when I entered that tunnel, I saw a white light, and as I went on, the light became brighter.
00:59:07big, bigger, and stronger.
00:59:10When they have contact with the deceased, friends, colleagues, deceased relatives, they usually see them as much younger than when they died.
00:59:22It is an experience of death, of having been on the threshold of death.
00:59:26Many even report that those beings they encounter somehow compel or induce them to return.
00:59:33It's very comforting, finally, to have been so close to something we were so afraid of.
00:59:37Because we are less afraid of it.
00:59:39And we have survived.
00:59:41Science has been interested in these experiments for some time.
00:59:44In 1975, medical doctor Raymond Moody published a book that shocked international public opinion.
00:59:53Life after life.
00:59:55Then I read it, I find it interesting, I open a new path for you, I open a new perspective for you.
01:00:00And I think that there must be similar or identical cases here.
01:00:06Dr. Vila has investigated more than 120 cases in the last 25 years.
01:00:10Since then, she has combined the study of near-death experiences, or NDEs, with her work at the Hospital
01:00:18Virgin of Macarena of Seville.
01:00:20He will soon publish a book with reflections from his entire career and 60 of the cases that most interest him.
01:00:26They made an impact.
01:00:27I was so happy, so happy there in that dimension, because, well, I saw all my beings,
01:00:33to my loved ones.
01:00:35Case studies indicate that in the first phase, the sensation of leaving the body occurs.
01:00:40Upon regaining consciousness, the patients accurately recounted what had happened in the operating room where they were.
01:00:48comatose, sedated, or clinically dead.
01:00:51They had seen everything, from some high place.
01:00:55They are fully aware, and have even detailed in many patients what happened in the operating room at that moment, when
01:01:02He was under stress, because perhaps in the middle of an operation there had already been a cardiac arrest, or
01:01:08Come on, it's due to blood pressure, or it's a product of the anesthesia.
01:01:11I was high up and I was seeing what they were doing, and I was seeing everything, and it kept hitting me, and
01:01:17He wasn't reacting.
01:01:19Then the head of the ICU doctor says, María José, this is over, not here, this is over
01:01:28gone, we can't do anything.
01:01:30They then claim to have entered a tunnel that absorbs like a black hole, heading towards a blinding light.
01:01:37Meanwhile, they say they see their lives passing by like in a movie, as if they were screens moving at breakneck speed.
01:01:44They started showing me a movie, but very fast, very fast, very fast. And then when I saw myself as a little girl, I
01:01:51I saw it when I was six or seven, when I was five, when I was twelve, come on, everything, everything, everything.
01:01:56From the moment the mattress hit me until I was pushed into it, I relived my entire life, up to that age, of
01:02:06It was different from how I remembered it. And that really left a mark on me.
01:02:11Some say that at the end of the tunnel they are reunited with their loved ones, although they never get to talk to them.
01:02:19And at the end of the tunnel they come across an immense ball of light. Some touch it, others don't even dare to approach.
01:02:28But what everyone agrees on is its divine nature, distinct from everything previously considered.
01:02:36And I saw my mother-in-law pass by, who had died a few years before, who had died.
01:02:44My father had died two or three years before; I also saw him from afar, an uncle of mine, a
01:02:50my neighbor here.
01:02:51A being may appear next to the light; it may appear or not.
01:02:56If a being appears, each person, according to their custom, their religion, their anthropology, their psychology, equips it to
01:03:08something.
01:03:08A Christian will say that he is a saint or that he is an angel.
01:03:12Upon their return, their lives will never be the same.
01:03:15Sometimes, light conveys a message without words, a kind of inner dialogue.
01:03:23Many decide to change and live in accordance with what they have learned.
01:03:27The experience was truly enriching.
01:03:29No, my dear, and there's no love left to go through again, because that's not what it is.
01:03:33But there is a tendency to recognize things from a different angle.
01:03:38It is usually a significant change.
01:03:40In a person's life, in their understanding of life, and above all in their way of
01:03:44to understand death.
01:03:45But not all NDEs are positive.
01:03:48Some claim to have literally been in hell.
01:03:53But the percentage is small.
01:03:55In studies, especially those involving near-death experiences, it does not reach 5%.
01:04:00It is usually experienced with a great sense of tranquility, of inner peace.
01:04:06And usually the people who have gone through this experience themselves,
01:04:12They say they already know, that is, they are not afraid to die.
01:04:30Beyond death, new parapsychological research, death, birth, to a new life.
01:04:37Many books have been written about this phenomenon.
01:04:39But there is one that exceeded all expectations.
01:04:42One to whom we owe, perhaps, the birth of this phenomenon in modern society.
01:04:46It's Life After Life, by Dr. Moody.
01:04:48Controversial and yet an international bestseller.
01:04:51His editor here in Spain, Sebastián Vázquez.
01:04:53Good evening, colleague.
01:04:54How are you, Iker? Good evening.
01:04:55There it is.
01:04:56This is it.
01:04:57And what did that little book provoke?
01:05:00It caused a seizure.
01:05:01It's been 30 years now, and above all, it marked a before and after, a true revolution.
01:05:08in what is the conception of death.
01:05:11Because this great debate, perhaps the number one debate in the history of humanity,
01:05:16In reality, what Dr. Moody, with his study, was proposing was the possibility
01:05:21that death was a comma, versus the other possibility that it was a full stop.
01:05:28And, indeed, the study by Moody, the psychiatrist, physician, philosopher,
01:05:36It shook society, as few books have done, I believe, in contemporary history.
01:05:41It can be said, Sebastián Vázquez, fellow editor of Edad, of Arca de Sabiduría,
01:05:46that book, apart from selling millions of copies, popularized an almost composite sketch-like experience,
01:05:54the light, the beings.
01:05:55Before that, had there been no interesting work at this level, at least in Spanish?
01:06:00No.
01:06:01In fact, Moody says that he became interested in this because one of his teachers,
01:06:08When he was very young, he recounted in class that he had lived through that experience.
01:06:12Then, throughout his clinical practice, starting from that interest,
01:06:19both from a medical perspective and from a philosophical perspective,
01:06:23He began to gather information.
01:06:24Perhaps Moody's true merit, apart from being the precursor,
01:06:29It was what triggered the fact that many people who had lived in silence
01:06:35that experience, which they had never recounted because they might have been considered crazy,
01:06:41Or rather, they had it hidden there; this phenomenon occurred where many people externalized it.
01:06:47that experience and recounted it, as you said, with almost the same similar elements,
01:06:52The light, the tunnel, the presence of other people, but above all, a fundamental fact,
01:06:58the fruit of experience.
01:07:00The fruit of the experience is the disappearance of the fear of death.
01:07:05None other than another good friend, the psychiatrist Dr. José Miguel Gaona, joins us.
01:07:09who also, and this is very curious, belonged for four years to the American Society
01:07:13of Death Studies.
01:07:14José Miguel, welcome, good evening.
01:07:15Hello good evening.
01:07:16Hey, what was this society called?
01:07:17It is a predominantly scientific society, of which professionals can be members,
01:07:23Doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and of course, any university-educated professional
01:07:27that has death as a reference point at a given moment that interests him.
01:07:31Studies are published every month, and it's a scientific field, really, nowadays.
01:07:36which is being investigated.
01:07:37In fact, that's why we're doing this program today.
01:07:40There is an explanation, it seems, a scientific, neurological one.
01:07:43At least the debate among believers, truly, between the key between two worlds
01:07:46or the crossing to the other side, and the people who believe it is a purely cerebral phenomenon,
01:07:50Physical, it's there.
01:07:51What do you think, José Miguel?
01:07:52First of all, I'd like to clarify, Iker, I was delighted that the phenomenon was
01:07:56paranormal or, at least, had a supernatural explanation, let's say.
01:08:00However, there are scientific bases, at a given moment, that could explain
01:08:05the same phenomenon, at least from a neurobiological point of view.
01:08:09The structure, how our brain is built, how our whole being is built
01:08:13The nervous system would explain each of the stages and, unfortunately, leaves few
01:08:18nooks and crannies to be able to tend towards the supernatural.
01:08:22But, unfortunately, or perhaps not, that's the reality.
01:08:24And, José Miguel, what seems clear is that people don't lie.
01:08:28And it must be kept absolutely free of fabrications.
01:08:31People have a very similar experience, regardless of their status, culture, or religion.
01:08:36and how science explains it.
01:08:38What happens in the brain?
01:08:39That's very true, what you just said.
01:08:41In other words, science in no way calls into question all these experiences.
01:08:46Not even, of course, whether they are close to death or not.
01:08:49Obviously, they are.
01:08:51Another story is the explanation for why these experiences occur.
01:08:55And there is a wealth of data that can lead us to the answer to each of them.
01:09:01Firstly, for example, our own nervous structure, both in the retina, in
01:09:05the eye, as in our central nervous system, that is, our brain, as with accumulations
01:09:10of neurons that often form networks, could explain, for example, the way in which
01:09:15those hallucinations.
01:09:16Kubler already explained a couple of decades ago that hallucinations had a morphology
01:09:22similar in all human beings.
01:09:24Tunnel-shaped, circular, spiderweb-shaped, etc., because
01:09:28It is the same way that the brain has its representation.
01:09:31Therefore, when that moment close to death arrives, when we are about to die,
01:09:34When we lack oxygen, blood pressure, when our systems, our fuses
01:09:40vital neurons begin to disconnect, these neurons begin to emit alarm signals, so
01:09:44so to speak, often in the form of light.
01:09:48Furthermore, with concentric accumulations, so that the light is focused and expands.
01:09:53Exactly like Bosch's painting, that is, a series of concentric circles or bands.
01:09:57Indeed, if we add to that the fact that we are starting to run out of oxygen, that we are starting to...
01:10:01This also causes pupillary dilation, therefore, that circle seems
01:10:07to grow larger, which is interpreted by what remains of our intellect at that moment, which
01:10:10We approach, when it's really an increase in that luminosity, really the plate of the
01:10:15A near-death experience is served.
01:10:18Very interesting positions.
01:10:20One, undoubtedly, is the sociological impact of these people's testimonies,
01:10:24which are also like a kind of key so that many others can say, me too
01:10:27It happened to me.
01:10:28And above all, what happens afterwards, perhaps, Sebastián, the most interesting thing is the radical change
01:10:33of life that many people, whether it is a product of their own brain, which is still a
01:10:37mystery, or rather a supernatural phenomenon, they already use in their daily lives, they will not return
01:10:41to be equal.
01:10:42We have seen in our colleague, Luis Álvarez's report, that he has made several allusions
01:10:46to people who radically changed their way of life.
01:10:49It is important to them.
01:10:51That doesn't change.
01:10:51That doesn't change, and actually, for me, that's the real mystery, because I already know
01:10:56Science will be tasked with finding an explanation for the phenomenon.
01:10:59But for me, the most curious thing, and also what Moody points out in his book and later works, is what he says in his book and later works.
01:11:04researchers who later emerged, this change and also transcendent of the subjects
01:11:11who have lived the experience.
01:11:13Whether the experience is of a purely cerebral nature, or whether the experience, let's call it, is of a type
01:11:18metaphysical, the result is the same, a transformation of the subject and also a transformation
01:11:23that always goes in one direction, in a conception based on experience, a conception
01:11:28transcendent of existence.
01:11:30A conception, I won't say religious, but certainly transcendent, and it certainly appears
01:11:36as the starting point of the experience the absence of fear of death.
01:11:40In fact, many say that they feel frustrated when they actually experience it.
01:11:47for not dying.
01:11:49That hand, that being they sometimes talk about, that appears and they say, no, no, your hand hasn't arrived
01:11:55hour.
01:11:56In some way they wish to follow that path, that journey that many of them describe as
01:12:03a beatific experience.
01:12:04That return, let's say, to life, for them is actually, at that moment, a kind of
01:12:13of frustration.
01:12:14Because he feels very comfortable, it is a peace they had never felt before.
01:12:17It's a pleasant state, whether it's due to endorphins, or...
01:12:20Do you have an explanation, José Miguel, for that state of incredible peace that one has never experienced?
01:12:24Never, they say?
01:12:25Indeed, Sebastian has hit the nail on the head in his last sentence.
01:12:28In the moments immediately preceding death, there is a secretion of certain substances
01:12:34endogenous, that is, produced by the body itself, which are called endorphins.
01:12:39As our viewers may guess, endorphins have a chemical similarity
01:12:43with morphine, with opiates, that is, with a series of substances that cause a
01:12:47beatific sensation, a feeling of intense well-being.
01:12:51Interestingly, these endorphins are also secreted in a massive way at three different times,
01:12:56so to speak, throughout our lives.
01:12:57The first is birth, the second is during our activity
01:13:03sexual, multiple or not, throughout our life cycle, and the third of them
01:13:07It is in death.
01:13:09What pain really does at that moment is take refuge.
01:13:13Somehow, perhaps due to a long biological and anthropological evolution, pain in the
01:13:17The moment of death serves no purpose; beforehand, it is a defense mechanism for
01:13:21to prevent something that is coming upon us, but at the moment of death the pain has no
01:13:24no meaning, it's useless to us.
01:13:28Therefore, it could be explained that our brain at that crucial moment in our
01:13:33Life utilizes that secretion of endorphins, that substance that produces so much well-being,
01:13:40an anesthetic sensation, on the other hand, a beatific sensation to lighten our spirits,
01:13:44so to speak, and it's curious because it has also been observed in some people and models
01:13:51also in animals, in experiments, when attempts are made to interrupt that secretion of endorphins
01:13:56With antagonistic substances, such as naloxone, for example, death is delayed.
01:14:01In other words, it somehow helps us feel better about death, and curiously, it gives us the
01:14:06"punchline," so to speak, because it produces a certain respiratory depression.
01:14:10In a gentle way, nature once again takes it upon itself to transport us through
01:14:15life.
01:14:16Sebastián Vázquez and José Miguel Gaona are outlining a series of fascinating topics.
01:14:20I hope the debate is followed with the same passion because the topic has much to offer.
01:14:25many facets.
01:14:26For example, can it be explained that in these experiences someone confessed things that are
01:14:31impossible?
01:14:31What did he hear from the doctors?
01:14:33Did you see them using certain instruments?
01:14:35Some even say they rose from their bodies and saw what was happening in the street.
01:14:39Is it possible or not?
01:14:40Second report and also with exceptional testimonies.
01:14:44There are, as we say, unexpected and surprising things in NDEs, near-death experiences.
01:14:54Throughout human history there are several references that demonstrate that experiences
01:14:59Thresholds have always accompanied humankind.
01:15:02From the Holy Bible, through some of Plato's writings, we find references
01:15:09clear on this matter.
01:15:11But if there is a text that makes a clear reference to and explains these experiences and their visions,
01:15:17It is the Tibetan book of the dead.
01:15:24The Tibetan Book of the Dead tells us what happens at the moment someone dies.
01:15:29person.
01:15:30The original title is bardo todol.
01:15:33Bardo is the Tibetan term for the states of consciousness that occur
01:15:38between successive lives, between reincarnations.
01:15:42So, according to the bard Todol, when we die, we first face the experience
01:15:48of white light.
01:15:49Those people who are sufficiently developed in the field of spirituality throughout
01:15:54of their lives, which they already know through mystical experiences, through satori, through the
01:15:59Samadhi, in what is the white light, when they see it they recognize it and they no longer have to reincarnate.
01:16:04They become lords of karma.
01:16:06The writer Fernando Sánchez Dragó underwent life-or-death surgery.
01:16:12He claims that when it came down to it, someone leaned over the stretcher and whispered to him
01:16:17into the ear.
01:16:20The last one I had, the most vivid, despite the contradiction of them all, is
01:16:25the one I collect in this book Cocoro and in which I tell everything that happened to me from
01:16:29From the moment I had it, which was about 14 months ago, 15 months ago, when I had it
01:16:35that enter the operating room.
01:16:37It was an extraordinary experience, an extraordinarily joyful one.
01:16:40Furthermore, I always say that this is a book about death full of life and about illness.
01:16:45full of health.
01:16:45And in it I went through experiences that were not exactly the same as those described by Raymond.
01:16:51Moody, all the existing bibliography on the genre, but they were very similar.
01:16:56Perhaps advanced Western societies need a change in perception about the
01:17:02life and death.
01:17:03Perhaps only in this way will we understand that our consciousness is just a drop in the ocean, that we are a
01:17:10a sigh, a mere accident.
01:17:12People who have been close to death are not necessarily selfless or generous.
01:17:16or that they're better, I'm not even saying they're better, they just have a different standard of
01:17:20life.
01:17:21Hollywood brought this perplexing matter to the big screen.
01:17:25In the film Flatliners, some medical students were voluntarily induced to
01:17:31a state of clinical death, to then be resuscitated and be able to analyze what was seen in
01:17:37the other shore.
01:17:40It's curious that everyone who has crossed the line tells the same story.
01:17:44These are perhaps phenomena inherent to man.
01:17:47Perhaps this is a carefully crafted script of the human psyche, designed to make us feel lighter.
01:17:53at our pace.
01:17:54What does science say?
01:17:56The big question that science dares to answer is, can consciousness exist?
01:18:04without the need for that physical support we call the brain?
01:18:07So, if I were a scientist, I would dedicate absolutely all my efforts to answering that question.
01:18:12to this question.
01:18:13There may even be biological memories of a similar experience at a biological level.
01:18:18because it could have a biological explanation.
01:18:21Because we've all gone to a place, passing through a tunnel, and they were waiting for us when we were born.
01:18:27We are all terrified of the idea of leaving this world.
01:18:30If we do it, we would like it to be done calmly.
01:18:34But what is his current view of death?
01:18:39I'm not afraid of death, because, honestly, that experience for me was the experience
01:18:45more wonderful than I have ever had.
01:18:47Man is afraid of death, but I believe there is a greater terror of other things.
01:18:52that resemble death, which is change, transformation.
01:18:55No fear at all.
01:18:55And after these experiences I'm telling you about, even less so.
01:18:59I even experience a certain attraction to death, because I am absolutely convinced
01:19:03that it is an experience of happiness and that we will respond accordingly,
01:19:09which is the only thing that matters to me in life: answering the big questions.
01:19:12We're going to find the answer to the big questions.
01:19:16But is there life after death?
01:19:20I believe that not everyone survives when they die.
01:19:26I believe that only those people who have made the most of their time survive.
01:19:32life to follow a path of perfection, to reach the moment of death being
01:19:36higher, wider, deeper, more extensive, and more intense than they were
01:19:40at the time of birth.
01:19:42In other words, they have built a soul.
01:19:49What lies beyond death?
01:19:51The big question, the great issue, remains a huge mystery.
01:19:54And it's been there since the beginning of time, since the caveman tried
01:19:59to explain what would happen after the perpetual night, after the moment of burial.
01:20:04Where would that self, that soul, go?
01:20:05It's curious, but the experiences we've had, for example in Milenio 3, our program
01:20:09brother on the SER network, they are clarifying.
01:20:12There is never a greater response from people than when we talk about ECMs, experiences
01:20:17near death.
01:20:18We've received hundreds, almost thousands, of testimonies. People say, I repeat,
01:20:24I lived it. It happened to me. And I don't need theories or arguments. But they must be given.
01:20:29We must try to decipher the last enigma.
01:20:31By the way, Sebastian, some of those cases that came to us through the radio were
01:20:36not so rewarding, it has to be said. And it was curious because people who had had
01:20:41a life, well, let's say, not very righteous, really hurting others, really
01:20:47using violence, then in that close experience on the threshold of whatever, also
01:20:53They saw very different, terrifying things. A kind of karma, let's call it that.
01:20:57Yes, a kind of hell. It's true that this experience, let's say, in this case, is nothing.
01:21:03beatific, not at all gratifying. On the contrary, full of enormous suffering, especially enormous suffering.
01:21:09emotional suffering. It's a very small percentage. In fact, it didn't come to light until
01:21:15Years later, if I remember correctly. It started being talked about in the 90s. That is to say,
01:21:20that reality close not to a paradise, to a light, but to a way, let's call it, or
01:21:28To use words is like a form of hell. In other words, a kind of profound suffering.
01:21:34psychological and deep emotional suffering.
01:21:38It also sometimes served to raise awareness and change lives in some cases that
01:21:42They have arrived.
01:21:42Yes, yes, also in a radical way. It's the same thing. That is, the experience, the result
01:21:46It is, ultimately, the same. These people correct their behavior. These people take that experience.
01:21:52as a kind of different direction. In this case, produced by suffering. Also
01:21:59It is true that people who have suffered this negative experience are much more reluctant.
01:22:04to talk in depth about that case. But there is a small percentage of people who
01:22:10They have lived this experience in that suffering way.
01:22:13We have seen Dr. Enrique Vila, from the Hospital de la Macarena, who has been researching for 30 years.
01:22:18Step by step, sheet by sheet, near-death experiences in Spain. Some of them were
01:22:23surprising because the patients, in a coma, described things that were
01:22:27What's happening in the operating room? Is this possible, José Miguel? Could it be wishful thinking, or is it opening up?
01:22:31some real scientific phenomenon that would give us a different view of our
01:22:36your own inert body? It seems very hard to believe.
01:22:38First, we would need to see to what extent these experiences have been documented.
01:22:43with a scientific enthusiasm that was truly acceptable, so to speak, to the world
01:22:50of science. That is, whether they have been correctly collected or not. Secondly, to insist on
01:22:55that one of the senses, the last one in fact, is believed to be lost or that many patients
01:23:01They lose the sense of hearing at the moment of death. That is, it is lost; they can...
01:23:06to know those people who have suffered a syncopal episode, for example, who lose their ability to...
01:23:10Vision, they lose other senses. But the last of our senses, the one we most...
01:23:15The information it provides us is usually related to hearing. Therefore, it is not unusual.
01:23:19that a person who is apparently, for example, unconscious or seemingly dead,
01:23:24at that moment when they were also working in the emergency room to get him up, to
01:23:28to recover him, so that he can still hear things, so that he can continue at some point
01:23:33given by connecting with that outside world.
01:23:37Sebastian, and after your experience in the field of spirituality, from the edition
01:23:41What do you think about sharing this more or less unorthodox knowledge? Are there any
01:23:45Something behind it?
01:23:46Let's see, this is where we actually enter another territory, we cross a border, and that's it.
01:23:53We're going straight into the field of religions. There, as you well know, everything...
01:23:58The religions of the world, from one perspective or another, but they mark the space of transcendence,
01:24:05In other words, they take for granted that there is life after death.
01:24:09Sebastián Vázquez, editor of DAF, from Arca de Sabiduría, thank you very much for this visit.
01:24:13So edifying. I say the same, of course, Dr. José Miguel Gaona.
01:24:17Buddha said, life is an illusion, Iker.
01:24:19I'm also sure that many viewers are getting goosebumps right now.
01:24:24Because perhaps something similar happened to them or their families. Certainly a world
01:24:28where we can continue exploring. Are there any photos of all this? Of the tunnel? Do we have to
01:24:33Would we be satisfied with the old Bosch painting? It would certainly be wonderful to receive photographs.
01:24:38By the way, it's time for those photos sent by the friends of Cuarto Milenio.
01:25:02The old experts, the classics of the world of parapsychology, assured that
01:25:07In a cemetery, nothing ever happens. There's nothing to investigate.
01:25:11Why is the tranquility and calm absolute and total? And why do strange phenomena arise?
01:25:15always in places where the opposite happens, where emotions are running high.
01:25:19Well, some photos from our viewers seem to, well, change that old theory.
01:25:24Or not?
01:25:25Well, the truth is that in this case, that image has an explanation. Dolores Bolaños,
01:25:30She sent it to us from Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. She says it was taken in a cemetery.
01:25:35from Dresden, Germany, and that she sees in the center of the image a possible face that
01:25:41He rises from the tomb. But we've analyzed the photograph. Iker and Guillermo León tell us
01:25:45This photo is an example of how our perception can seemingly recognize faces.
01:25:51associating elements that are randomly distributed. In this case, we see the wear and tear itself
01:25:56of the stone of said tombs which generates a series of light and dark areas, whose contrast
01:26:01It makes us think we see different faces. Therefore, once again, mystery solved.
01:26:05Let's see if we can explain the next one. They ask for our help, and we have to respond to that call.
01:26:11A street, an old photograph, and an alleged UFO.
01:26:14A friend sent us this image, saying he found it online and didn't know what it was.
01:26:18whether what is seen in it is true or false. An unidentified flying object that appears
01:26:23in this old image in which we can clearly identify San Álvaro street.
01:26:28There is also a large, cathedral-like church, and a small inscription on one of the walls.
01:26:36If anyone recognizes this location, this town, please get in touch with us.
01:26:42to let us know where it is, at least. Because the unidentified flying object,
01:26:46It's possible that it's seen there, it may have an explanation, and that's where the revelation might be.
01:26:50from one of the old photographs that were taken at that time.
01:26:54If you have any information about this or want to send us any of the images, please let us know.
01:26:59that you have at your homes, you can do so through two contact methods
01:27:03on cuartomilenio.com and of course, our post office box, 18189 with the postal code 28080 of Madrid.
01:27:13And on this occasion, the mystery ship doesn't say goodbye for another seven days, not even close.
01:27:17First, there's an essential appointment, a historic appointment. Let's try to decipher the code.
01:27:23That's what we've set out to do. On Friday, with exceptional guests and strictly exclusive documents,
01:27:30even with a documentary that's going to generate a lot of buzz. Exceptional guides, Dan Brown, no less.
01:27:35or Umberto Eco. We're going to try to uncover some of the key points that are still there,
01:27:39making the da Vinci code the latest great phenomenon to be discovered.
01:27:43Real stories, frauds, myths, what's true? What's false?
01:27:48We'll be waiting for you here on Friday for the special "Deciphering the Code."
01:28:13What's a lie?
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