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00:00:23First there was a heart-rending scream and then a cry, a lament from a woman, about 30 years old.

00:00:28It began to spread throughout all the rooms of the Ceuta funeral home.

00:00:32The most unsettling thing, especially for the two officers on duty, was that there was no body and no one was

00:00:38no rooms open.

00:00:39Everything was locked up tight.

00:00:41But especially in burial mound number 2, those cries were present.

00:00:45There were screams that sounded heart-wrenching, accompanied by what seemed to be murmurs or prayers.

00:00:50In other words, as if a wake were actually taking place there.

00:00:55The most curious thing about this story is that 8 police officers confirm this reality, open a couple of incident reports, and pursue those

00:01:03They hear noises, comb the area, look for explanations, and find nothing.

00:01:08Until today.

00:01:08Tonight we're going to try to uncover the truth about the last great Spanish X-File.

00:01:14A night of terror where suddenly, out of nowhere, voices of mourning appeared.

00:01:19This is the case of the Ceuta funeral home.

00:01:20But we have others that are equally interesting.

00:01:28Tonight we delve into the amazing story of Alonso Sánchez de Huelva.

00:01:32The mysterious pilot who, for many historians, was the true discoverer of the new world.

00:01:38Astral travel remains a challenge for science.

00:01:43Millions of people around the world have experienced it, but it still has no explanation.

00:01:48Is this a dream or is it reality?

00:01:52Is it positive to practice astral projection or could it be very dangerous?

00:01:58And as every week, we will continue to analyze the enigmatic images that keep arriving at the Cuarto Milenio spaceship.

00:02:09If there is an enigmatic figure in our history, it is undoubtedly Christopher Columbus.

00:02:14There are still debates about where he was born, where he is buried,

00:02:19If he obtained any kind of inside information that led him to the new world,

00:02:23because he wrote a book called The Prophecies,

00:02:25What enigmas did they hide in their mysterious signature?

00:02:28It's curious because in the last century, in our country,

00:02:31Many books by prestigious historians have been published with titles such as

00:02:34Columbus did not discover America, or for example,

00:02:37Columbus arrived later.

00:02:40Columbus and his secret.

00:02:41Or were we not from the Duchess of Medina Sidonia?

00:02:45Books that would not be possible if there weren't huge gaps in history

00:02:48of one of the most important men of the last five centuries.

00:02:52Tonight on Cuarto Milenio we're going to discover the discoverer.

00:02:56And we're going to start with a story that was secret for a long time.

00:02:59The story of Alonso Sánchez de Huelva, the pre-naut.

00:03:02For some, the true discoverer of the new world.

00:03:06All modern history treatises assert that the enigmatic Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas.

00:03:13This is accepted, although perhaps this theory is not entirely correct in light of some surprising research.

00:03:21Perhaps others arrived in the new world long ago.

00:03:25Well, much earlier, in the year 1000, we know that the Vikings arrived.

00:03:29It terrified Labrador, that part.

00:03:31The problem is that perhaps they didn't properly publicize the news that they had found new land.

00:03:37They didn't even really know what kind of soil they had found.

00:03:40And therefore that news was not disseminated in Europe.

00:03:42The important thing to know is that Columbus is not the only one seeking to unravel the mystery of the dark sea or

00:03:50of the ocean sea, as the Atlantic is called.

00:03:53We see that even, for example, Martín Alonso Pinzón, on his commercial voyages with the famous pressed sardines to Italy,

00:04:01They say he takes advantage of his time in Rome to research world maps in the Pope's library.

00:04:07According to many internationally renowned scholars, engaged in disputes that have lasted for decades,

00:04:14Around 1150 the Templars also landed in America.

00:04:20Before the order's dissolution, they had allegedly brought tons of silver to Europe to finance the construction of more

00:04:27of 80 Gothic cathedrals in less than a century.

00:04:30Those are speculations, as I say, the truth is that we have no proof.

00:04:34In other words, we have proof that someone knew the way to America because they had evidently been to America.

00:04:42And it probably wasn't a coincidence.

00:04:45We have proof of that because it can be deduced from Columbus's knowledge.

00:04:50But what we certainly don't know is who he is, what his name is, where he's from, and that's not what we know.

00:04:53we know.

00:04:54However, there may be evidence that someone reached the New World before Admiral Columbus.

00:05:01That is the wonderful story of the unknown sailor, the anonymous crew member, or the pre-naut.

00:05:14The proof of this is that those authors of the time, and those who came after, and those who wrote

00:05:19The chronicles of America, such as Garcilaso de la Vega,

00:05:22They undoubtedly leave proof that a sailor existed.

00:05:27A sailor, some call him the anonymous pilot, others call him the unknown pilot, there was a sailor.

00:05:34And everyone says he was from Huelva.

00:05:38José María Segovia, president of the Royal Columbian Society, has spent years investigating the figure of this mysterious anonymous pilot.

00:05:46A puzzle that has befallen thousands of scholars in search of the same answer.

00:05:51Who was he and where did he come from?

00:05:53His name was Alonso Sánchez de Huelva.

00:05:55His house was in Plaza de la Soledad, in Huelva.

00:05:58He had been baptized in the church of San Pedro, which was the main parish church of Huelva, and his life

00:06:05He stayed there until he never returned.

00:06:07The chronicles state that Alonso Sánchez was a merchant dedicated to the trade of precious wood between Spain and the coast

00:06:14African.

00:06:16One night, they were caught in a storm.

00:06:19The vessel would be rendered useless and the Gulf Stream would carry them to the Antilles.

00:06:26When they came towards Huelva, they would go out to sea so that the westerly winds would carry them to the Cape

00:06:33From San Vicente, to the port of Lagos, in Portugal, and from Lagos they came to Huelva.

00:06:38One of those times, the current swept him out to sea and they reached a new land.

00:06:43A land that truly was a paradise for them.

00:06:47In the 15th century, the compass and the appearance of the caravel would make navigation easier and safer.

00:06:53However, sailors would never dare to venture into the open ocean beyond what was known towards the

00:07:00west.

00:07:01No one had dared to cross the ocean.

00:07:04There were curious legends, due to the ignorance of the Middle Ages, such as the one that the surface of the sea was flat,

00:07:13and that in the end it fell into a great waterfall where all the ships were lost.

00:07:17The ignorance of the people also led them to dream that a claw existed, the infernal claw,

00:07:23that it was a devil's claw, that far out on the ocean it caught ships and carried them away.

00:07:30Those legends possibly date back to the Phoenician era.

00:07:33We cannot rule out that the Phoenicians were the first to arrive in America.

00:07:37It was indeed the edge of the dark sea, the beginning of another unexplored world.

00:07:44And in it must have been the anonymous pilot, the pre-naut Alonso Sánchez de Huelva.

00:07:54That statue, located in the heart of Huelva, is unknown even to many locals,

00:08:00He's keeping a secret.

00:08:02Perhaps for some, it could change their own history.

00:08:05The historian Mariano Fernández Urresti, we were talking earlier about the book on Columbus,

00:08:09He has written an unorthodox biography, which he calls The Admiral Without a Face.

00:08:13There are some truly memorable quotes.

00:08:16For example, as early as 1535 there was talk of an unknown sailor who may have given his secret to Columbus.

00:08:23And he said, and he gave much of it as a secret to Columbus,

00:08:27He begged her to make a letter, perhaps a map, and settle in that land he had seen.

00:08:34Many people in Spain don't know the story of Alonso Sánchez,

00:08:36But in Huelva, and we'll find out more tonight,

00:08:38Many remnants remain of the presence of an inconvenient witness to another unknown story.

00:08:44Mariano, welcome, good evening.

00:08:45How are you? Good evening.

00:08:46Well, your book is wonderful.

00:08:47Thank you.

00:08:47I believe it also arouses concern, not only regarding Columbus,

00:08:50There are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Columbus: his birthplace, his tomb, the information he possessed.

00:08:56Our feeling is that Christopher Columbus knew very well what he was doing,

00:08:59that it was not the result of chance,

00:09:01and who convinced a king and queen to undertake a seemingly suicidal venture.

00:09:05There was something about it.

00:09:06But who could it be? You're a historian; you've researched every detail for this book.

00:09:11What do we know about who this anonymous pre-naut or pilot might be?

00:09:15Well, Juan Manzano's thesis is so irrefutable

00:09:20that even the orthodox have had to at least heed what he proposed,

00:09:27And I think he's absolutely right.

00:09:28Whether this man, the unknown pilot, was called Alonso Sánchez or not, he existed.

00:09:33Perhaps Columbus had other information besides that, right?

00:09:36But certainly it's not just the books you've cited,

00:09:40but even chroniclers of the 16th and 17th centuries,

00:09:43Baltasal Correño, Gonzalo de Ilescas or Fernández de Oviedo and others,

00:09:47Yes, well, even Bartolomé de las Casas,

00:09:49It provides information regarding the existence of this sailor,

00:09:52that the chronicles say, written in that style of writing of the time,

00:09:56who ended up in a world outside of all conversation and news.

00:09:59There are, of course, references that lead us to consider the possibility

00:10:03that Columbus had information, let's call it privileged,

00:10:07and that perhaps he obtained it from someone, from that unknown pilot,

00:10:10although its identity dates from 1609,

00:10:13when Inca Garcilaso gives him a name and surname,

00:10:17Alonso Sánchez, and places him as a native of Huelva.

00:10:20Previously, these other chroniclers, Fernando de Oviedo, López de Gómara,

00:10:22Bartolomé de las Casas speaks of an unknown pilot,

00:10:25but they don't mention him by name.

00:10:27It could have been Alonso Sánchez, and I would like it to be Alonso Sánchez.

00:10:30It appears that he arrives, also suffering from a strange, unknown illness,

00:10:34which alerts the doctors who pick him up there in Porto Santo,

00:10:39And it is precisely Columbus who shows the most interest in, let's say,

00:10:43to heal the wounds of that strange envoy.

00:10:46Do Columbus and that man spend days, months, hours together?

00:10:50We don't know.

00:10:51It must be explained that Columbus, before coming to Castile in 1485,

00:10:54He has lived in Portugal since 1476, where he gets married,

00:10:59and settles in Porto Santo.

00:11:01There are other chroniclers who thought it was in Cape Verde,

00:11:03and others even in Madeira, where that meeting took place.

00:11:06But it is true that there is a chilling scene,

00:11:08wherever Columbus lived,

00:11:10He finds himself with a decimated crew,

00:11:13This crew, who, by chance, due to a tremendous storm,

00:11:16The perfect storm is headed for America.

00:11:19and returns, to a certain point, to take the ideal route back,

00:11:24And Columbus finds a crew, as I said, decimated by syphilis,

00:11:27According to Juan Manzano's theory,

00:11:28due to some other illness, according to other authors.

00:11:31And Columbus welcomes him into his home, then,

00:11:33the house of his former father-in-law,

00:11:35his late father-in-law,

00:11:36Felipe Amoni's father, his wife,

00:11:38to this pilot.

00:11:39And perhaps this man will tell him about his experience.

00:11:42An experience that,

00:11:43The truth is that there is data,

00:11:45There is information that seems to confirm it.

00:11:46Bartolomé de las Casas,

00:11:48whose authority on the matter is not in doubt,

00:11:51refers to,

00:11:52even in the logbook,

00:11:53we find continuous references

00:11:54because when Columbus arrived in America,

00:11:56find white Indians,

00:11:57so white and with such a complexion,

00:11:59so similar to that of a Castilian,

00:12:00he even goes so far as to say,

00:12:02Juan Manzano proposes the possibility

00:12:04that those white Indians

00:12:05were descendants of loving relationships

00:12:08that the members of that crew had

00:12:09of the unknown pilot with the native Indian women,

00:12:13as a consequence of those relationships,

00:12:15that disease would occur,

00:12:16syphilis,

00:12:18which decimated the crew

00:12:19and that made it finally

00:12:20Our pilot will expire in Columbus's arms.

00:12:22I mean,

00:12:22that pilot and his crew

00:12:24They traveled through a series of storms

00:12:25or accidentally,

00:12:26beyond the Canary Islands,

00:12:28to the New World,

00:12:29unaware that they were in the New World,

00:12:30but aware that it was an unknown land.

00:12:33They procreated,

00:12:34They were with the indigenous women

00:12:36and they return affected

00:12:37of a strange disease.

00:12:38Only one of them,

00:12:39According to the story,

00:12:40survives.

00:12:40But this is not a story,

00:12:41This has maintained,

00:12:43Let's put it this way,

00:12:43entangled with professors

00:12:45of the last three centuries

00:12:46about who is or isn't.

00:12:48In Huelva, I repeat,

00:12:49There is the almost forgotten statue

00:12:51by Alonso Sánchez,

00:12:52the pre-discoverer of the New World.

00:12:55Forgotten, of course,

00:12:56set aside in history.

00:12:57Mariano,

00:12:57The most curious thing is that Columbus,

00:12:59And there are many chronicles,

00:13:00even their own,

00:13:01It seems to have become almost

00:13:02in a kind of prophet

00:13:03for his own crew,

00:13:04because he knew what was coming

00:13:06when nobody had been there.

00:13:08Yes, Columbus was a character

00:13:09of curious psychology.

00:13:12It would certainly need to be analyzed.

00:13:13also in detail

00:13:14because his work is also remarkable.

00:13:16Almost a character from a novel

00:13:17more than history.

00:13:18And indeed,

00:13:19at times,

00:13:19He seems to be playing with marked cards.

00:13:22appears to have inside information

00:13:23and anticipates things

00:13:24that will be seen

00:13:25and obviously

00:13:26in the eyes of the crew

00:13:28they effectively become

00:13:29in a kind of prophet.

00:13:31Some have looked for him

00:13:32Jewish origin

00:13:34precisely to that prophetic zeal

00:13:35of Columbus

00:13:36and to the fact that

00:13:36in its crew

00:13:37There were a few Jewish converts.

00:13:40Salvador de Madriaga himself

00:13:41he said that even Columbus himself

00:13:43It was, wasn't it?

00:13:44Therefore, indeed,

00:13:45It seems Columbus knows something

00:13:46and knows something

00:13:48because in the capitulations

00:13:49from Santa Fe

00:13:50we find ourselves in a phase

00:13:51which is absolutely crucial.

00:13:53So that people

00:13:53Visualize them right now,

00:13:55one of the documents

00:13:56most important

00:13:57of the history of Spain,

00:13:58the agreement

00:13:59about the new world.

00:14:00But of course,

00:14:01There's a detail

00:14:02that people

00:14:03perhaps he hasn't noticed it.

00:14:05Although many historians

00:14:06Yes, they have.

00:14:08It seems that something has already been discovered

00:14:09and it hadn't even started yet.

00:14:10The first trip, right?

00:14:11Indeed.

00:14:12It is April 17th

00:14:13of 1492.

00:14:14Columbus signs

00:14:16the capitulations

00:14:16from Santa Fe

00:14:17with the Catholic Monarchs

00:14:19and in its heading

00:14:19the kings appoint him

00:14:21viceroy

00:14:22and admiral

00:14:23of the ocean seas

00:14:23of the lands

00:14:24that he has discovered.

00:14:26It doesn't say

00:14:26is going to discover

00:14:27or will discover,

00:14:28but has not discovered.

00:14:29What did Columbus discover?

00:14:30Is it before October 12th?

00:14:32Exactly.

00:14:32It's April.

00:14:33Months to go

00:14:34so that the first

00:14:36historic expedition

00:14:37march to America.

00:14:37What did Columbus discover?

00:14:39That is one of the anomalies

00:14:40of the many

00:14:41because it is controversial

00:14:43legal document

00:14:44the one about the capitulations

00:14:44from Santa Fe

00:14:45one of the anomalies

00:14:46that we found.

00:14:46And tonight,

00:14:47Well,

00:14:47as almost always

00:14:48We are very bibliophilic.

00:14:49In this case we are

00:14:51immersing ourselves

00:14:52in history.

00:14:53There are some books

00:14:54I'm sure

00:14:54that will surprise

00:14:55those they think they know

00:14:57all of our history.

00:14:58A mysterious book

00:14:59like its own name.

00:15:00The prophecies

00:15:01They are not by Nostradamus,

00:15:03Christopher Columbus wrote them.

00:15:05It represents

00:15:06a stage

00:15:07of darkness

00:15:08and that proves

00:15:09that all his life

00:15:10in itself

00:15:10It was a mystery.

00:15:12It remains a mystery

00:15:13This book,

00:15:13Right, Mariano?

00:15:14Yes, also

00:15:15had in its editorial office

00:15:16the collaboration

00:15:17by Friar Gaspar Gorricio

00:15:18who was a Carthusian monk

00:15:20from Seville,

00:15:22of the monastery

00:15:22of the Charterhouse of Seville

00:15:23with which Columbus

00:15:24and all his family

00:15:25had a relationship

00:15:26very special.

00:15:27He was the custodian

00:15:27of the papers

00:15:28even of the money

00:15:29of the family

00:15:29and in fact

00:15:31They went there to die,

00:15:32Well,

00:15:32then rest

00:15:33the remains

00:15:34of a good part

00:15:34from Columbus's family

00:15:36and from Columbus himself

00:15:36for a while.

00:15:37Therefore,

00:15:38This was a character

00:15:39curious

00:15:39which would also have

00:15:40that analyze

00:15:41And indeed

00:15:41This brings us closer

00:15:43to the esoteric side

00:15:43that he had it

00:15:44that existed

00:15:45of the figure of Columbus.

00:15:47You see,

00:15:48people think

00:15:49Well,

00:15:50Christopher Columbus

00:15:50discoverer of the new world

00:15:52He wrote a book

00:15:52called The Prophecies

00:15:53and their own navigators

00:15:55they believed that really

00:15:56He had secrets

00:15:56that no one revealed

00:15:57because I knew exactly

00:15:59where,

00:15:59how to go

00:16:00and what was to come.

00:16:01By the way, Mariano,

00:16:02that perhaps one of the documents

00:16:03most impressive

00:16:05of history

00:16:05And if we had

00:16:06the time machine,

00:16:06the long-dreamed-of time machine

00:16:08It would be like going to that deathbed

00:16:10to that place

00:16:11where a man

00:16:11on the verge of death

00:16:12with buboes on the face

00:16:13for many

00:16:14with symptoms

00:16:15historians

00:16:15for symptoms of syphilis

00:16:17of an unknown disease

00:16:18at that time in Spain

00:16:19and a man

00:16:20taking note perhaps

00:16:21Christopher Columbus

00:16:22What could they have said to each other?

00:16:23The story

00:16:23He had covered a lot

00:16:24regarding this matter.

00:16:25Well,

00:16:25What is clear

00:16:26Columbus knew

00:16:27that with certainty

00:16:27among the 700

00:16:28and 750 leagues

00:16:30departing from the Canary Islands

00:16:32I was going to find land.

00:16:33There was a misunderstanding

00:16:33for their part

00:16:34there is a moment

00:16:35in which Columbus gets lost

00:16:36becomes disoriented

00:16:36But I knew for sure

00:16:37And that's true.

00:16:38that would find land

00:16:39at that point.

00:16:40There is a moment

00:16:41in which Columbus

00:16:41desperate

00:16:42or disoriented

00:16:43see how the crew

00:16:44mutiny

00:16:45and they literally decide

00:16:46throw it overboard.

00:16:47They're fed up

00:16:48of that type

00:16:49they see that they cannot find

00:16:50the earth

00:16:51just as he had said

00:16:52Columbus is falsifying

00:16:52continuously

00:16:53the trip accounts

00:16:55given some information

00:16:56to the sailors

00:16:57But it's not the real one.

00:16:58He tells them that they are

00:16:59doing less

00:17:00leagues

00:17:00of which really

00:17:01They are sailing

00:17:02But Columbus knew

00:17:03as I told you

00:17:04with certainty

00:17:04that there was that land

00:17:05And it's true.

00:17:05Someone had told him.

00:17:08It seems that Columbus

00:17:09I knew for sure

00:17:10that I was going to find

00:17:10some gold deposits

00:17:11in certain

00:17:13on certain islands

00:17:14He reaches a point

00:17:16What is he thinking about?

00:17:17that is in front of the mines

00:17:17of Ophir

00:17:18of King Solomon

00:17:20Someone had spoken to him

00:17:21from an island

00:17:21of cannibals

00:17:22where there was only

00:17:23cannibals

00:17:24the Caribbean island

00:17:25and an island

00:17:25where there were only women

00:17:26Matinino Island

00:17:28Columbus knew all of that

00:17:29but he became disoriented

00:17:30and didn't seem to get his bearings

00:17:31He didn't seem to find it.

00:17:32the compass

00:17:33until he found

00:17:33saw cropped

00:17:35on the horizon

00:17:36a mountain

00:17:37the silhouette of a mountain

00:17:38Monte Cristi

00:17:39from that moment on

00:17:40as if I had that reference

00:17:42as if it were

00:17:42the beacon

00:17:43from which someone

00:17:44I had spoken to him

00:17:44began to place

00:17:45all things

00:17:46perfectly

00:17:46And that's when it begins

00:17:47his exercise as a prophet

00:17:48from that moment on

00:17:50begins to say

00:17:50to the crew

00:17:51There is this

00:17:52And there's the other thing there.

00:17:53and it happened

00:17:55and it happened

00:17:55one of many

00:17:56And we're going to discover

00:17:57For example

00:17:58in a few minutes

00:17:58the end

00:17:59for many

00:18:00the sad ending

00:18:01undeserved

00:18:01as happens with so many

00:18:02great men of history

00:18:03of Columbus

00:18:04Columbus to whom

00:18:05Some gave glory

00:18:06and other books

00:18:07They called him an imposter.

00:18:08forger

00:18:09that took advantage

00:18:09of the secret

00:18:10of another man

00:18:10which was completely

00:18:11darkened

00:18:12we're going too

00:18:13to know something more

00:18:14of that man

00:18:15whose statue

00:18:15stands

00:18:16in a small park

00:18:17in Huelva

00:18:18where there is a street

00:18:19with his name

00:18:20where there are schools

00:18:21with his name

00:18:21but where almost no one

00:18:22It reminds him

00:18:23Alonso Sánchez

00:18:24It was him

00:18:25the depositary

00:18:25of that great secret

00:18:26Let's find out here

00:18:27on Fourth Millennium

00:18:28with his name

00:19:05Thanks for watching the video.

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00:20:06Thanks for watching the video.

00:20:07Thanks for watching the video.

00:21:07Very few reach Portugal and the Madeira Islands along the way, and they are so decomposed that they end up dying there.

00:21:14everyone, including Alonso Sánchez who tells his secret to Columbus.

00:21:18Following the gentle code of the sailors, the admiral attended to that poor man who, in his delirium, was on the verge

00:21:24He spoke of death as a paradise in the unknown land, a wondrous place beyond the other side.

00:21:31When he was there in Puerto Santo, it is said that he found a shipwrecked man walking along the beach, almost dying.

00:21:38He took him to his house and cared for him, etc., but the man died.

00:21:41And it is said that he may have been the one who told him, grateful for the help he was giving him, that

00:21:46He will tell her the secret.

00:21:48That encounter must have enlightened the admiral.

00:21:52Caring for the pre-navigator until his death, Columbus obtains certain information either orally or in rudimentary form

00:21:59map.

00:22:00He begins a journey in search of a patron to finance his epic, without the slightest success.

00:22:04Exhausted and defeated, he decides to take refuge in this small Franciscan friary, hidden off the coast of Huelva.

00:22:13In La Rábida, once again, destiny will give him his opportunity.

00:22:18Two humble friars will guide their steps.

00:22:20Friar Antonio de Marchena, evidently, is a man of his time, a Renaissance man, a concerned man, what were called

00:22:28the stargazers of that time,

00:22:29A cosmographer, a man concerned with revealing, from the world of science, what had been written since

00:22:36always.

00:22:37And Friar Juan Pérez is the counterpoint, he is the practical man who enlightens Columbus on how to get to

00:22:46to negotiate with a State.

00:22:48Not with theories, not with speculations, not with fantasies, but with concrete data.

00:22:55The key to Columbus's voyage lies within the walls of this old monastery, like an echo of the past.

00:23:02One night, the admiral confessed his coveted secret to Friar Juan Pérez, something truly important.

00:23:10But what was it about?

00:23:13Was he referring to the precise clues revealed by the pre-naut on his deathbed?

00:23:19From that moment on, everything will happen very quickly.

00:23:23In a few days, Columbus will travel to Santa Fe, in Granada, to formalize a contract with the Catholic Monarchs, the famous

00:23:30capitulations.

00:23:32The figure of the pre-navigator Alonso Sánchez is as mysterious as that of Columbus himself.

00:23:38Both seem to intersect at some point in history.

00:23:41Today, only the glory of one remains, and the oblivion of the other.

00:23:46As far as I know, Columbus was the first to discover it?

00:23:49The truth is, no. He's not a very well-known figure at all.

00:23:53I read it there, but I have no idea, yes.

00:23:56Unknown here in Huelva.

00:23:58However, despite this neglect, today there are some clues to their presence scattered throughout the city of Huelva.

00:24:06A square bearing his name and a statue in his memory stand out in one of the most central areas.

00:24:11of the city.

00:24:12Not far away, a street also commemorates him.

00:24:15There is even a secondary school named after him in a suburban neighborhood.

00:24:22They are the petrified footprints of a ghost sailor.

00:24:25More so than in Huelva, even though there is a street dedicated to Alonso Sánchez, there is a park named after Alonso Sánchez.

00:24:30which is used by young people but not by other sectors of society,

00:24:33And there is a statue of Alonso Sánchez.

00:24:35But in general I think that in Huelva most people don't know who he is.

00:24:40It is a matter of justice to remember here the Prenaut, an individual swallowed by the dark tide of history.

00:24:46A problem for many scholars and professors.

00:24:50A traveler who, in his death throes and as a gesture of gratitude to Christopher Columbus,

00:24:54He offered data, clues and hints about a paradise on the other side of the world.

00:24:59A brave man who, without knowing it, perhaps has the honor of being the true discoverer of the new world.

00:25:08I am convinced that many people will visualize that historic moment on land,

00:25:13of that day in October 1492, in another way, perhaps with much more exciting elements.

00:25:19Columbus's story, like that of any human being, goes from cradle to grave.

00:25:23And in this case, there are two more mysteries.

00:25:25The birthplace that many people still claim, Mariano Fernández Urresti.

00:25:28In Spain itself, by Jove, there are fierce battles with people who provide their documents.

00:25:33It is true, there is an Ibizan Columbus, a Jewish Columbus, a Mallorcan Columbus, a Galician Columbus, a Columbus from the Alcarria region.

00:25:42There is, even later, and outside our country, a Greek, Corsican Columbus.

00:25:46An Italian Columbus, but one who never wrote in Italian.

00:25:50Even Menéndez Pidal, who acknowledged that Columbus, in his opinion, was Genoese,

00:25:54He had to admit that Columbus had not written in Italian.

00:25:57Well, neither when he was speaking to other Italians, nor when he was speaking to the bank of San Jorge, which was

00:26:01where he kept his money.

00:26:02He always wrote in Spanish.

00:26:05There are a number of problems, certainly uncomfortable ones, for orthodoxy, aren't there?

00:26:09And regarding, well, the possibility that it's from different places, as I mentioned before,

00:26:14They all provide evidence, which I don't know if it's solid enough or not, but it is certainly compelling and worthy of consideration.

00:26:21less respect.

00:26:22He died without knowing that he had truly discovered the new world.

00:26:25I'm not so sure about that.

00:26:26Is that what they say?

00:26:27That's what they say.

00:26:28It is said that he arrived in those lands due to a miscalculation,

00:26:31He thought the world was smaller,

00:26:34about 10,000 kilometers less in circumference,

00:26:36and that it was not clear on his part what land he had reached,

00:26:41who believed he had reached the Indies.

00:26:42I don't know if that's the case or not.

00:26:43I'm not sure.

00:26:44Nor do I have any historical evidence to suggest otherwise.

00:26:47But it's a personal intuition.

00:26:49What is clear is that with Jesus of Nazareth,

00:26:50I imagine we have one of the most enigmatic characters of all time.

00:26:54He is probably the character whose biography has the most twists and turns, and dark ones at that.

00:26:58Some he made himself, and others were made for him.

00:27:01That is why Mariano Fernández Urresti, historian and good friend,

00:27:05Columbus published his book, and its title was The Admiral Without a Face.

00:27:09Mariano, thank you very much, and good luck with your job.

00:27:11Thanks to you, Ike.

00:27:12By the way, if you'll excuse the pun,

00:27:14We went from pre-naut to phantom cosmonaut.

00:27:17The truth is, I have to thank you for the incredible number of messages.

00:27:21from letters that many friends of Cuarto Milenio have sent us

00:27:24trying to let us know what it was, ultimately,

00:27:26a true cosmic urban legend, of which there are also those.

00:27:30We were talking about lost cosmonauts and we were talking about Istosnikov's story,

00:27:34Well, these kind friends told us that it actually had an origin

00:27:37which is worthy of another truly strange story.

00:27:40An exhibition of the work of Joan Foncuberta, a photographer famous in Catalonia.

00:27:45who did a very controversial job, mixing reality and fiction,

00:27:48and creating this story of that lost cosmonaut we were remembering here.

00:27:52I certainly have a huge thank you to give.

00:27:53That they revealed this story to us is, well, charming, curious,

00:27:57and also to say very clearly that we have received many letters,

00:28:01messages from observatories, including military ones,

00:28:04who invite us to do Cuarto Milenio from there.

00:28:06We'll take them up on that, hopefully we can do it next season.

00:28:09And thus we reveal the curious paradox of Istosnikov's story,

00:28:13the phantom cosmonaut who is truly a cosmic legend.

00:28:17What's not legend is the news; there's been a lot of it over the past seven days.

00:28:21some with surprising findings.

00:28:22Pay close attention, because something has been discovered that will cause quite a stir.

00:28:47And it was in Álava, at an archaeological site,

00:28:50where this surprising, incredible discovery took place,

00:28:53which can change many things we knew about history.

00:28:56Carmen, good evening.

00:28:57Good evening, Sikers.

00:28:58The discovery was made at the Roman site of Iruña Veleia,

00:29:03and it is the representation of the oldest Calvary in the world,

00:29:07according to tests performed with carbon 14.

00:29:10The scene shows Jesus crucified on Mount Golgotha,

00:29:13alongside the thieves and two figures at their feet,

00:29:15which could represent the Virgin Mary and Saint John,

00:29:17and it was made in the 3rd century AD.

00:29:21The oldest known depiction of this scene to date

00:29:23It was the one located in the Roman catacombs.

00:29:26Furthermore, on the top of the ceramic cross,

00:29:29He kisses her, RIP appears written on it,

00:29:31an epitaph that began to be used right around the time

00:29:33in which this piece has been dated.

00:29:36Piece that was not alone,

00:29:37It was accompanied by others with drawings,

00:29:39crucifixions of pagan gods and Christian texts.

00:29:42In total there are about 270 drawings and inscriptions

00:29:46which, let us remember, are the oldest known in the world today.

00:29:51We find it incredible that archaeology still,

00:29:53The real exploration of history has these surprises.

00:29:56It is said that Christians developed an aversion to crucifixion,

00:29:59that they didn't like because it was God's torture.

00:30:03However, little by little they began to use it as an emblem.

00:30:05It would be the first time in the world, at least,

00:30:08as far as we know so far, there, in Álava.

00:30:10What a find, Carmen!

00:30:12Have there been other, much more macabre discoveries?

00:30:14Yes, the findings that have occurred in the town of Lliber.

00:30:18Last weekend, the Civil Guard dismantled a criminal organization in this town.

00:30:21a sect that was dedicated to gaining followers

00:30:24through supposed personal and spiritual growth courses.

00:30:28Five leaders of this cult-like group, called Amber,

00:30:30They were arrested during one of the sessions

00:30:33that the leader, who called herself Bibuti,

00:30:35was doing it at his chalet.

00:30:37The followers were lured into the sect with the promise

00:30:40that they would grow spiritually and personally,

00:30:42But what they were really doing was transforming their personalities

00:30:45and force them to pay large sums of money.

00:30:48The worst part of all is that they were also subjected

00:30:50to blood oxygenation processes

00:30:52which produced tachycardia and hallucinations in the followers.

00:30:56We started with archaeology, we ended with archaeology.

00:30:59A group of Guatemalan and American archaeologists

00:31:03They have discovered the tomb of a Mayan king from 1,700 years ago.

00:31:08Experts discovered the tomb, which measures 5 meters long.

00:31:11by 1.5 wide, under a pyramid about 200 kilometers from the capital.

00:31:15At the place where the tomb was found

00:31:17There were also offerings of jade, shells, alabaster,

00:31:20ceramic vessels, royal symbols and jaguar skin claws.

00:31:24According to history, the mausoleum belonged to the founder of a lineage of kings.

00:31:28who ruled between 300 and 800 AD,

00:31:32in a region called Huaca, Peru.

00:31:34One of the archaeologists, Barinia Matute, tells us about this discovery.

00:31:39This character was discovered here yesterday.

00:31:43who appears to be the main character, who is the king.

00:31:48Why? Because it has a different and much more elaborate wardrobe.

00:31:54The others have an impressive headdress that shows the image of a jaguar.

00:32:02And since we're on the subject of history, let's look at a photograph received here at Cuarto Milenio.

00:32:06which has a somewhat old-fashioned feel.

00:32:09Medieval atmosphere.

00:32:10Juan Martín sent it to us.

00:32:12This image was taken at the Alhambra in Granada.

00:32:14A friend of hers named Isabel took it.

00:32:17And she told us that a strange individual had come out whom she did not recognize.

00:32:20and that apparently he wasn't there.

00:32:22We have analyzed the photograph, as always,

00:32:25And what has actually occurred is motion blur.

00:32:28which affects the entire photograph.

00:32:31In addition, a curious effect has occurred that creates that translucent appearance.

00:32:34What we cannot explain is whether that person wore some kind of metal mesh.

00:32:39like the ancient soldiers and warriors of other eras

00:32:42or even like the Templars.

00:32:44Do you remember? Those suits they wore.

00:32:46Very curious. As curious as, for example, the topic that comes next.

00:32:49The astral journey.

00:32:51How many messages have we received at Cuarto Milenio saying

00:32:53Please, are you talking about a day of astral travel?

00:32:56How is it done? What dangers are involved?

00:32:58Have you ever had an astral projection experience?

00:33:00Not me. And I don't want to try either.

00:33:02Not consciously. Why? Because people say they're dangerous?

00:33:04There is talk of certain dangers, that you have to be very aware

00:33:08about what you're doing and that you need to have a studied technique

00:33:12in order to be able to get out of that trance later.

00:33:14Well, myth or reality, dangers or benefits.

00:33:17We're going to solve it here on Cuarto Milenio, in a few minutes.

00:33:20I don't feel alone.

00:33:22What is your face?

00:33:47What is your face?

00:34:12Body and mind, anatomy and spirit.

00:34:15I am convinced, friends of Cuarto Milenio,

00:34:17This is going to be one of the topics that will generate the most discussion.

00:34:20Let me explain.

00:34:21Whenever we've touched on the subject,

00:34:22on our Radio Hermano program, on Milenio 3, on the SER network,

00:34:25We have received thousands of messages from people

00:34:28who have lived experiences that we could call astral travel.

00:34:31I'm sure that this term, also shrouded in a lot of myths,

00:34:35It continues to generate a great deal of interest.

00:34:37Is our body capable of splitting in two?

00:34:39Is there a consciousness that is capable of rising?

00:34:41and begin their own explorations?

00:34:44Why did the ancients already talk about this type of experiment?

00:34:47Can they be carried out safely?

00:34:50Is there any danger?

00:34:51How many myths?

00:34:52How many stories?

00:34:52Today we want to have two positions, two views of this phenomenon,

00:34:55which I think will be truly enriching.

00:34:58Don José Cabreras, a collaborator of this team,

00:35:00Forensic psychiatrist, it's always an honor to greet you.

00:35:03Hello.

00:35:04Hello.

00:35:04Astral travel.

00:35:05What is it according to psychiatry?

00:35:07Me, like Victor...

00:35:08What could it be?

00:35:09Already.

00:35:09I, as Victor Hugo said, would give what I know for what I don't know.

00:35:12And having said that, which is very nice, because it was Victor Hugo,

00:35:14not because it was mine,

00:35:15astral travel for psychiatrists

00:35:16These are states of consciousness that differ from normal.

00:35:20That is, sleep, epilepsy, chemicals,

00:35:24mystical perceptions of saints, of any religion,

00:35:27That would encompass a different state of consciousness.

00:35:31There is much more to the brain than we know.

00:35:34Sure.

00:35:35We have the collective memory of thousands of years of humanity,

00:35:38It's inside our brain.

00:35:39The question is finding the key to open that door.

00:35:42Many explorers have tried to clarify the issue of higher education institutions.

00:35:46in a matter that became, for example, very fashionable in the 1970s,

00:35:49as a result of many experiences that we are going to talk about.

00:35:51For example, the story of the Amazonian shamans began to be discussed,

00:35:54For example,

00:35:55that also reached states of gliding over their own body

00:35:59and see other things.

00:36:00There was also talk of people who had conducted experiments.

00:36:03even by modifying something in their own bedroom,

00:36:06However, having the experience hundreds of kilometers away.

00:36:09And they could see that vase, that envelope,

00:36:11experiments that are true or are myths.

00:36:13Mariano Bueno is a restless person,

00:36:16writer, expert in geobiology,

00:36:17who has written essential books,

00:36:19like death, the birth into a new life,

00:36:21no more, no less.

00:36:22And he knows this subject very well.

00:36:24Don Mariano, welcome.

00:36:25Delighted.

00:36:26You speak of knowing the facts,

00:36:27Have you ever practiced astral travel?

00:36:29Let's say, I had a temporary clinical death experience at age six.

00:36:33and the only memory I have of that time

00:36:35It's like being at the hospital door,

00:36:37In other words, observing the scene at the hospital entrance,

00:36:39seeing my father arrive on a motorcycle,

00:36:43because back then we didn't have,

00:36:44with a bundle on his arm,

00:36:46to see him pass by, to follow behind him,

00:36:48to see that bundle placed on a stretcher,

00:36:51And when I open it I say,

00:36:52Oh, it's me.

00:36:53Was that bundle you?

00:36:54That bundle was my body,

00:36:56at six years old,

00:36:57that due to a medication error he had suffered a cardiac arrest

00:37:00and was clinically dead.

00:37:03We're going to talk about these kinds of experiences.

00:37:04As you can see, these are no longer just theoretical matters.

00:37:08from the books,

00:37:08of the more or less scientific experiments,

00:37:11but life experiences.

00:37:13Lately, in recent years,

00:37:15A name has become fashionable,

00:37:16a fairly advanced doctor,

00:37:18purely scientific,

00:37:19Dr. Persinger,

00:37:20who has tried to go a little further.

00:37:22He has attempted to induce altered states of consciousness,

00:37:27including mystical visions,

00:37:28terrifying visions,

00:37:30and even astral travel,

00:37:31the splitting of the body.

00:37:33And he did it with electrodes,

00:37:35with computers.

00:37:36Is this possible?

00:37:37This would explain that enigma that I'm sure

00:37:39that many of our friends who see us

00:37:40have suffered,

00:37:42consciously or unconsciously.

00:37:43Suddenly,

00:37:44It has been terrifying,

00:37:45something pleasant.

00:37:46They've seen other things.

00:37:47Above all,

00:37:48They have seen their own body lying in bed.

00:37:50I'm sure that right now many people

00:37:52is being felt in their homes.

00:37:54Let's learn about Persinger's experiments

00:37:55And we're going to start a debate,

00:37:57I think it's fascinating.

00:37:58Science,

00:37:59spirit,

00:38:00astral travel.

00:38:05Between life and the afterlife,

00:38:08astral travel

00:38:09It is one of the mystical experiences

00:38:10present in all beliefs and cultures.

00:38:14The splitting of the spirit and the body

00:38:16It remains a phenomenon

00:38:17which sparks everyone's interest

00:38:19How many have heard of him.

00:38:29Astral travel is a state

00:38:32in which, according to those who have experienced it,

00:38:34the body remains in one place

00:38:36and the spirit departs from him.

00:38:39So,

00:38:40that other immaterial self

00:38:42He can see the lifeless body perfectly,

00:38:45float around the room

00:38:46or go anywhere else

00:38:49without having any physical sensation.

00:38:52Normally,

00:38:53This state is achieved during sleep,

00:38:56in most cases

00:38:57accidentally,

00:39:00although there are also methods

00:39:02to reach this state.

00:39:04In Canada,

00:39:06Professor Michael Persinger

00:39:07He has been researching for years.

00:39:09how magnetic fields

00:39:10influence the human brain.

00:39:13Recently,

00:39:14His name made headlines

00:39:16having successfully conducted an experiment

00:39:19in which the patients

00:39:20They had all the sensations

00:39:21of an astral journey

00:39:23and other similar phenomena

00:39:24when they are stimulated

00:39:26various areas of the brain.

00:39:28If we apply fields

00:39:30in certain sequences,

00:39:32we can induce the experience

00:39:33to create the feeling

00:39:35of a presence

00:39:36and thus create the idea

00:39:37in the person

00:39:38that there is someone nearby.

00:39:41The patient experience

00:39:42It's usually pleasant,

00:39:44although not always.

00:39:46Sometimes,

00:39:47They're having a bad trip.

00:39:49in which even

00:39:50they are assaulted

00:39:51by threatening entities,

00:39:53beings of a diabolical nature,

00:39:55to those whom spiritualist literature

00:39:57called

00:39:58inhabitants of the lower astral plane.

00:40:00I don't feel alone.

00:40:10We assume that these experiences

00:40:12of intense sensations

00:40:14of presences

00:40:14and that something takes over the body

00:40:16They come from the brain

00:40:17and they happen at 3 in the morning

00:40:19when you're alone in the room.

00:40:21Not just astral travel,

00:40:23Dr. Pessinger's experiments

00:40:25are equally headed

00:40:27to discover the origin

00:40:29and nature

00:40:29of other psychic phenomena

00:40:31equally unexplained,

00:40:33like experiences

00:40:35near death

00:40:36or mystical ecstasies

00:40:38of the saints.

00:40:39Something we already know

00:40:41It's that these experiences

00:40:42that we call mystical

00:40:43have been recorded on tapes

00:40:45can be recorded

00:40:46and at least we have

00:40:48some fragments

00:40:49in the laboratory.

00:40:50All these experiments

00:40:52They have an ultimate purpose.

00:40:53answer a

00:40:55of the big questions

00:40:56of science

00:40:57determine

00:40:59if our brain

00:41:00It's just gray matter

00:41:01and electrical impulses

00:41:03Or is there something more?

00:41:05a soul capable of existing

00:41:08and travel outside the body.

00:41:14Interesting experiences

00:41:16by Dr. Pessinger

00:41:17modifying consciousness

00:41:18and even doing

00:41:19that a subject

00:41:20I see a disturbing presence

00:41:22another pleasant

00:41:23What field does this open up for us?

00:41:24It's wonderful.

00:41:25It's happening right now.

00:41:26in universities.

00:41:27However,

00:41:28Dr. Cabrera

00:41:29In Spain we have an example

00:41:30of people

00:41:31who worked

00:41:32in this type of experiment

00:41:33in modify

00:41:34consciousness

00:41:35and the brain

00:41:36mechanically

00:41:37They might not be that well known

00:41:39like Pessinger.

00:41:40We're talking about Dr. Delgado

00:41:41For example.

00:41:41Dr. Rodríguez Delgado

00:41:42I agreed with him

00:41:43three months ending

00:41:44my career in medicine

00:41:45in the Pyramidon

00:41:46famous Ramón y Cajal

00:41:47He had some experiments there.

00:41:48very nice

00:41:49with electrodes

00:41:49inside the brain

00:41:50modified behavior

00:41:51to such an extent

00:41:52than in monkey families

00:41:54altered the dynamics

00:41:55of the family

00:41:55that is to say,

00:41:55the one who was the leader

00:41:56became the last one

00:41:57of the row

00:41:57And all this is a little

00:41:59the key I was talking about earlier

00:42:00that is to say,

00:42:01the question is to find

00:42:02a key

00:42:02with which we open

00:42:03what the brain has

00:42:04that accumulates

00:42:06millions of years

00:42:07of evolution

00:42:07Let us not forget

00:42:08that what we have

00:42:08inside the head

00:42:09He wasn't born yesterday

00:42:11That's many millions of years.

00:42:12And there's a lot.

00:42:12a lot of collective memory

00:42:14inside that brain.

00:42:15How do we open that brain?

00:42:17With which key?

00:42:17That's where the hypotheses come in.

00:42:19However,

00:42:19How extraordinary that would be!

00:42:20Or how dangerous that would be too

00:42:22with a simple electrode

00:42:23and a button

00:42:24There's the famous experience

00:42:25from Dr. Delgado

00:42:26of which there is evidence

00:42:27photographic

00:42:28stopping the onslaught

00:42:30from a ball of yarn

00:42:31putting himself in front

00:42:32modifying the brain.

00:42:34Obviously

00:42:34Yes, it can be done with animals

00:42:35It could be done with people

00:42:37generate fear

00:42:38For example

00:42:39and not just with electrodes

00:42:41it has been discussed

00:42:41at the distance

00:42:42opens a field

00:42:43authentic science fiction

00:42:44but I imagine

00:42:45that the governments

00:42:46and states

00:42:46They have been very interested

00:42:47The governments

00:42:48above all

00:42:48the most powerful

00:42:49They have fields of research

00:42:50They're so quiet

00:42:51because they are not

00:42:52politically correct

00:42:53where is that studied

00:42:54electromagnetic induction

00:42:56in fact

00:42:56We live in a magnetic field

00:42:57The world is a magnet

00:42:59and in that magnet

00:43:00sleeping is not the same

00:43:00one way or another

00:43:01There are people

00:43:02the one who has a headache

00:43:03that only

00:43:04by turning your bed

00:43:05perpendicular

00:43:05It leaves him with a headache.

00:43:07There are many things

00:43:08That's why I was saying it too.

00:43:09We would give what we know

00:43:10Therefore we ignore

00:43:11we know nothing more

00:43:12of what we know

00:43:13Interesting

00:43:14that reflection

00:43:15by Dr. José Cabrera

00:43:16forensic psychiatrist

00:43:16and colleague of this program

00:43:18who always instructs us

00:43:19with scientific light

00:43:20but analyzing

00:43:21curiously

00:43:21everything there is

00:43:22Mariano Bueno

00:43:23He also accompanies us

00:43:24because I imagine

00:43:25that don't surprise you

00:43:26at all

00:43:27Persinger's experiments

00:43:28you were telling me

00:43:29that since the 1930s

00:43:30This has been happening

00:43:31Yeah

00:43:31in the years

00:43:32in the 1930s and 40s

00:43:37Dr. Penfield

00:43:39I don't know if he pronounced it correctly

00:43:40Penfield

00:43:42He dedicated himself to researching

00:43:43a very curious thing

00:43:44And that's because

00:43:45the sick

00:43:47or the people

00:43:47that they had had

00:43:49some accident

00:43:50and they lacked

00:43:51a piece of the skull

00:43:52I mean

00:43:52of the bone

00:43:54and they had the brain

00:43:55or let's say

00:43:56brain mass

00:43:56exposed

00:43:57He dedicated himself to mapping

00:43:59let's say the areas

00:44:01from the gravel

00:44:01by placing electrodes

00:44:03and observing reactions

00:44:04what he is doing now

00:44:06with other electrodes

00:44:07or with electromagnetic fields

00:44:08This man did it.

00:44:08directly on

00:44:09because it had open skulls

00:44:12and could experience

00:44:13then he saw

00:44:14that certain areas

00:44:15because they caused crying

00:44:16other memories

00:44:17of childhood

00:44:18and he mapped it

00:44:19but it reached an area

00:44:20of the right temporal lobe

00:44:21above the ear

00:44:22more or less

00:44:23I think that

00:44:23It's the crack

00:44:24by Silvian

00:44:27where to place

00:44:29the electrodes

00:44:29the person

00:44:30it looked

00:44:31outside the body

00:44:32the person

00:44:34suddenly

00:44:35was

00:44:36talking

00:44:37with ancestors

00:44:39who had died

00:44:39or saw

00:44:40the famous tunnel

00:44:41and the light

00:44:42at the end of the tunnel

00:44:43modifying just

00:44:44That area, Mariano?

00:44:45activating

00:44:45creating neuronal activity

00:44:47in that area

00:44:48specifically

00:44:48of the right temporal lobe

00:44:49in fact

00:44:50what he says

00:44:51is

00:44:51we have several brains

00:44:53inside our brain

00:44:54and there are some brains

00:44:55very old

00:44:56when we were reptiles

00:44:57I mean

00:44:58It's not that we were lizards

00:44:59It's that in evolution

00:45:00We have gone through all the phases

00:45:01of the animal

00:45:02so

00:45:02there is a very old brain

00:45:03What is the temporal lobe?

00:45:04when a person walks down the street

00:45:06and slips

00:45:06What is he doing with his arms?

00:45:08or extends

00:45:09nobody

00:45:10nobody

00:45:10knows

00:45:11Why do we extend our arms?

00:45:12and yet

00:45:13extend

00:45:14because we are looking

00:45:15the tree branch

00:45:16that is no longer there

00:45:18hold on

00:45:18clear

00:45:18that is to say

00:45:19we were monkeys

00:45:20we have been primates

00:45:21we have been in a tree

00:45:22and when a monkey fell

00:45:23He was clinging to a branch

00:45:25that's it

00:45:26It's happening to us now

00:45:27a footprint there

00:45:28a footprint in the brain

00:45:29That is memory

00:45:29which I was referring to

00:45:30which is in the temporal lobe

00:45:32I find it absolutely fascinating

00:45:33I hope the same happens to him.

00:45:34to the television viewers

00:45:35because we are talking

00:45:36of that key

00:45:37to another world

00:45:37that perhaps is in here

00:45:38and not outside

00:45:40the truth is that

00:45:41Mariano

00:45:41There are many myths

00:45:42we have received

00:45:43countless messages

00:45:44requesting this topic

00:45:45silver cord

00:45:46I think that's how to do that

00:45:47and others spoke

00:45:48that the physical body

00:45:50and the ethereal body

00:45:51the astral

00:45:51whatever you want to call it

00:45:52was connected by that silver cord

00:45:53Oh my God

00:45:54so many myths

00:45:55I don't know if they're accurate or not

00:45:56we have received

00:45:57of the dangerous

00:45:58which could be an astral journey

00:45:59if it is not done according to a certain pattern

00:46:01many books

00:46:02Take an astral journey

00:46:04A great deal has been published

00:46:05There is a high probability

00:46:06that it creates a lot of confusion for you

00:46:07that you find it difficult to fit in

00:46:10that experience

00:46:11in your daily life

00:46:12have you encountered experiences

00:46:13even of people

00:46:14which they had then had

00:46:15Let's say a bad return

00:46:17No?

00:46:17quite

00:46:17I mean

00:46:18a colleague

00:46:20who told me about his experience

00:46:21with the height

00:46:22with jimsonweed

00:46:23and after it was done

00:46:24a strong infusion

00:46:26because it was seen outside the body

00:46:27He got so scared

00:46:28who wanted to return

00:46:30But of course

00:46:30In fact

00:46:31you are inducing

00:46:31an activity

00:46:32that you cannot control

00:46:34and he became distressed

00:46:35He became so distressed

00:46:36that forced so much

00:46:37the process

00:46:37to reconnect

00:46:39he looked

00:46:40outside of your body

00:46:42that the sensations

00:46:43when it reconnected

00:46:44It was connected backwards

00:46:45like the head

00:46:45of the feet

00:46:46that is to say

00:46:46I was there for a week

00:46:47But that was super

00:46:49very strange

00:46:50walking

00:46:50with the head

00:46:51at the feet

00:46:51and the feet

00:46:52as if the return

00:46:54the assembly

00:46:55It would have been the opposite

00:46:55that which we see

00:46:57that image

00:46:57that comes out

00:46:58that astral body

00:46:58upon reconnecting

00:46:59those two energies

00:47:01or electromagnetic fields

00:47:03because actually

00:47:03We're talking

00:47:04of frequencies

00:47:04of electromagnetic fields

00:47:05They didn't fit together well.

00:47:06and it was in a deep sleep

00:47:08precisely one night

00:47:09that fit back together

00:47:11the two

00:47:12realities

00:47:13the feeling we have

00:47:14we don't know

00:47:15everything about the brain

00:47:16and that sometimes

00:47:17those little doors

00:47:18generate phenomena

00:47:19who have given so much

00:47:20what to talk about

00:47:20throughout history

00:47:22look closely

00:47:23these images

00:47:25are from

00:47:26from an ayahuasca session

00:47:27in the upper Amazon

00:47:29They are doing

00:47:29a species

00:47:30of ancestral ritual

00:47:32that for many

00:47:33It's very unpleasant.

00:47:33And what do they say?

00:47:34that as a result

00:47:35of the so-called

00:47:35dead man's rope

00:47:36one can travel

00:47:37that is to say

00:47:37with that substance

00:47:38astral travel occurs

00:47:40And some say

00:47:41even

00:47:41For example

00:47:42Juanjo Benítez

00:47:43He conducted experiments

00:47:44reflected on television

00:47:46where thousands of kilometers away

00:47:47specifically in Spain

00:47:48He was in Brazil

00:47:49someone at home

00:47:51at their home

00:47:52modified an object

00:47:53daily

00:47:54in the living room

00:47:56from his house

00:47:56and he

00:47:57I was aware

00:47:58I saw him

00:47:58There was a real trip

00:48:00doctor fiction

00:48:01or there may be some certainty

00:48:02We must be careful.

00:48:03with all this

00:48:04because ayahuasca

00:48:04For example

00:48:05for some religions

00:48:06very old

00:48:07It is a sacrament

00:48:08I mean

00:48:08It is a

00:48:09is just like us

00:48:10in Judeo-Christian culture

00:48:11We have sacraments

00:48:13a very serious issue

00:48:13It is a serious matter

00:48:14because it gives the impression

00:48:15otherwise

00:48:15There are a few stoners here.

00:48:17who talk nonsense

00:48:18clear

00:48:18if I take

00:48:1914 joints

00:48:20Of course

00:48:20I speak with Jesus Christ

00:48:21with Muhammad

00:48:22and with Napoleon Bonaparte

00:48:23logically

00:48:23you are intoxicated

00:48:24and you see things

00:48:25then on the topic

00:48:26of ayahuasca

00:48:26indeed

00:48:27Ayahuasca is a plant

00:48:28with some chemical instances

00:48:29who do that

00:48:30that they disconnect

00:48:31two areas of the brain

00:48:32But if that disconnection

00:48:34It is done without control

00:48:35without someone there

00:48:36That's why sorcerers

00:48:37in the tribes

00:48:38not everyone

00:48:39I was taking ayahuasca

00:48:39in the tribes

00:48:40I was taking ayahuasca

00:48:41the sorcerer

00:48:42and the child

00:48:43that had the ritual

00:48:44to start adult

00:48:45that is to say

00:48:46Not the entire tribe was there.

00:48:47taking ayahuasca

00:48:48because if you take ayahuasca

00:48:49the whole tribe

00:48:49because when it comes to hunting monkeys

00:48:50because they were blown

00:48:51with the blowgun one another

00:48:52that is to say

00:48:53I'm not just joking.

00:48:54because it seems

00:48:55otherwise

00:48:55Let's all take everything

00:48:56which has become popular

00:48:57excessively

00:48:58exact

00:48:59Now it's true

00:48:59what you're saying

00:49:00with ayahuasca

00:49:00with many other substances

00:49:01mescaline

00:49:02peyote

00:49:03etc.

00:49:03This disconnection is achieved

00:49:05and in that disconnection

00:49:06trips are made

00:49:09The truth is that it unfolds

00:49:10personality

00:49:11And there is a new level of awareness

00:49:13and that new level of consciousness

00:49:14It makes you see things

00:49:15that you consciously don't see

00:49:16just like you don't see the same thing

00:49:17that sees a bee

00:49:18the bee sees other colors

00:49:19The horse sees other circumstances

00:49:21There are animals that cannot see

00:49:22in three dimensions

00:49:23as we see it

00:49:24that is to say

00:49:24all that world

00:49:25We return to the key

00:49:26We have a key

00:49:27wonderful on the other hand

00:49:28thrilling

00:49:28It's exciting and dangerous

00:49:30I'm saying it

00:49:30because of what I was saying before.

00:49:31the one from the datura

00:49:32You can't take it now

00:49:33clear

00:49:34but Mariano

00:49:36experiences where someone

00:49:37It has really remote viewing capabilities.

00:49:39of something that is happening

00:49:40elsewhere

00:49:41You were recounting an experience

00:49:42yours near death

00:49:43Well

00:49:43Yeah

00:49:44and I have one from my father

00:49:45my father a few years ago

00:49:46He had quite a few problems

00:49:48cardiac

00:49:49and being admitted

00:49:51in the hospital

00:49:51Divineroz

00:49:52under observation

00:49:53because he had had

00:49:54a strong arrhythmia

00:49:55suddenly

00:49:56All the guns were fired

00:49:57because he entered

00:49:58in an arrhythmia

00:49:58very very intense

00:50:00and suddenly

00:50:01He felt that peace

00:50:02that tranquility

00:50:03that people feel

00:50:04who are in experience

00:50:04near death

00:50:05very good

00:50:06and felt as if it were coming out

00:50:08of the body

00:50:08and suddenly

00:50:10he thought

00:50:11Rosita

00:50:11my mother

00:50:13his wife

00:50:13as if to say

00:50:14leave

00:50:15And I don't say goodbye to her

00:50:16and at that moment

00:50:17He was seen at the front door of the house

00:50:19which is 8 kilometers away

00:50:20from the hospital

00:50:22watching my mother

00:50:22who was leaving through the door

00:50:23that entered a garage

00:50:25in the garage

00:50:25I was taking something from the garage

00:50:26and upon re-entering

00:50:28it was turning

00:50:29he was looking in the direction he

00:50:30supposedly was

00:50:31because he was

00:50:32in the hospital bed

00:50:33and it spun again

00:50:36and entered

00:50:36And that's when he heard

00:50:38my father

00:50:38good sir

00:50:39good sir

00:50:40come back

00:50:41come back

00:50:41and turned

00:50:42to see himself

00:50:43in the hospital bed

00:50:44then I ask

00:50:46what time is it?

00:50:46I told him

00:50:47at 7:10

00:50:47and when my mother came

00:50:49around midday

00:50:51to see him there at the hospital

00:50:52he told her

00:50:52Rosita

00:50:52you to the exact

00:50:54that you trust

00:50:54sorry

00:50:55at 7 in the morning

00:50:56What were you doing?

00:50:57I don't know

00:50:57I've done so many things

00:50:58this morning

00:50:58You haven't gone to the garage

00:51:00You picked this up

00:51:00and then when you were about to go in

00:51:02You turned around and looked

00:51:03Yeah

00:51:03And why did you look that way?

00:51:05I don't know

00:51:05Something has caught my attention

00:51:07I mean

00:51:07consciousness

00:51:09from my father

00:51:10at the moment that body

00:51:11that heart

00:51:12stop beating

00:51:13his conscience

00:51:15Something's wrong

00:51:15that becomes

00:51:17extracorporeal

00:51:18so to speak

00:51:18and has the capacity

00:51:19that there are no limits

00:51:21of distances

00:51:22because this very thing

00:51:23They've told it

00:51:23hundreds of people

00:51:24and instead of being 8 kilometers

00:51:26maybe they have been

00:51:27500 kilometers

00:51:28In fact, what he says

00:51:29all cultures

00:51:31over time

00:51:32and of humanity

00:51:32all

00:51:33They have all had a religion

00:51:34and the latest experiences

00:51:36of those religions

00:51:36They all agreed

00:51:37that is to say

00:51:38a Christian mystic

00:51:39has had the same experiences

00:51:41that a Muslim Sufi

00:51:42the same as an Indian yoga

00:51:43or that a Zen Buddhist

00:51:45therefore

00:51:46we came to the conclusion

00:51:47of animal evolution

00:51:48that is to say

00:51:49We all have

00:51:49the same brain

00:51:50and the same collective memory

00:51:51We all reach a final point.

00:51:53from the point of view

00:51:54of that state

00:51:55Let's not call it conscious

00:51:56but a state

00:51:57special awareness

00:51:58that some call

00:52:00astral travel

00:52:01Psychiatrists cannot

00:52:02talking about astral travel

00:52:04due to conditions

00:52:04based on scientific evidence

00:52:07But it is true.

00:52:08that there is an awareness

00:52:08different

00:52:09in which

00:52:10all the culture

00:52:10of humanity

00:52:11coincide

00:52:12doctor

00:52:13you were talking before

00:52:14I was talking

00:52:15dangerous topic

00:52:17dangerous

00:52:17because?

00:52:18What could happen to someone?

00:52:19let him get involved

00:52:19And I believe that always

00:52:20in fourth millennium

00:52:21We made this point very clear.

00:52:22perhaps without rigor

00:52:23to experiment

00:52:25young people

00:52:26I see a lot of young people

00:52:26in this program

00:52:27in bed

00:52:28states of meditation

00:52:29sometimes without the proper guidelines

00:52:31Let's see

00:52:32between

00:52:33what he did

00:52:34Aldous Huxley

00:52:34Nobel Prize

00:52:35that wrote

00:52:36at the gates of perception

00:52:37What is taking hallucinogens?

00:52:38under medical supervision

00:52:39and have feelings

00:52:41and then write them down

00:52:42and what it can do

00:52:43a young boy

00:52:4417 years old

00:52:44there is a chasm

00:52:45that is to say

00:52:45Don't even think about it.

00:52:47nor take substances

00:52:48or do strange things

00:52:49because one of the hypotheses

00:52:51of the case

00:52:51of mental illness

00:52:52serious

00:52:53such as schizophrenia

00:52:54It is the break

00:52:56permanent

00:52:57between

00:52:58the cerebral cortex

00:52:59What is consciousness?

00:53:00and the primitive brain

00:53:01That is one of the hypotheses

00:53:03therefore

00:53:03we know kids

00:53:04that at 17 years old

00:53:05have taken substances

00:53:06important chemicals

00:53:07and they have taken the step

00:53:08no return

00:53:09to mental illness

00:53:11therefore

00:53:12careful

00:53:12similar to what can happen

00:53:13to a person

00:53:14due to a head injury

00:53:16For example

00:53:17There are many people

00:53:17that after an accident

00:53:19They have begun to hear voices

00:53:20have begun to see

00:53:21such

00:53:21have begun to unfold

00:53:23because?

00:53:24because there has been damage

00:53:24in those connections

00:53:25and in those systems

00:53:27security

00:53:28of the neural processor

00:53:30that prevents

00:53:31that they mix

00:53:32the two pieces of information

00:53:33so

00:53:33when we

00:53:34We forced that door.

00:53:35Well, with a chemical key.

00:53:37or with any other technique

00:53:40we take the risk

00:53:41to a certain

00:53:42mental incoherence

00:53:43most people

00:53:45who live this experience

00:53:45if it's the first time

00:53:46and they have no information

00:53:47They are terrified

00:53:49It's distressing

00:53:50suddenly

00:53:50It's an experience

00:53:52that you don't control

00:53:53that you see

00:53:54that you cannot control

00:53:55like people

00:53:56that have had

00:53:57a tetany

00:53:57or that have stayed

00:53:58suddenly

00:53:58It's happened to me.

00:54:00suddenly

00:54:00are you aware

00:54:01and you can't tell him

00:54:02to your finger

00:54:02move

00:54:02I mean

00:54:03your conscience

00:54:04does not control

00:54:05your body

00:54:05How many people

00:54:06has written to us

00:54:06with these things?

00:54:07with these experiences

00:54:08there is one

00:54:09therefore

00:54:09There is often a lot of anxiety.

00:54:11and most cases

00:54:11It ends badly.

00:54:12because he/she has the feeling

00:54:14of falling

00:54:14to hit

00:54:16Well

00:54:16And that's a classic.

00:54:17No?

00:54:17sudden vertigo

00:54:18Has this happened to you?

00:54:19that suddenly

00:54:20They are in bed

00:54:20and they notice they are falling

00:54:21from some well

00:54:22from some abyss

00:54:22suddenly

00:54:23that happens

00:54:23we have received

00:54:24hundreds of messages

00:54:25dreams are

00:54:27a royal door

00:54:28to the unconscious

00:54:29as Freud said

00:54:29and the psychoanalysts

00:54:30It is true that dreams

00:54:31reveal a life

00:54:32that we have in there

00:54:33that is to say

00:54:34when sometimes

00:54:34one even within the dream

00:54:36says

00:54:37I'm going to see if I'm dreaming.

00:54:38and I pinch myself

00:54:39and indeed

00:54:40You're dreaming

00:54:41and you're doing it

00:54:42a test

00:54:42in which you yourself

00:54:43You're faking it

00:54:44to yourself

00:54:44anyway

00:54:45the anguish

00:54:45that he mentioned

00:54:46It's terrible.

00:54:47because of that anguish

00:54:48It is anguish

00:54:49to the dissolution of the self

00:54:50which is the greatest anguish

00:54:51that one can have

00:54:51Nobody is afraid

00:54:52to death as death

00:54:53what we are afraid of

00:54:54It's to nothingness

00:54:54to disappear

00:54:55That's the real fear.

00:54:57a very accurate conclusion

00:54:58we were left with the feeling

00:54:59that in here

00:55:00and that they understand the joke

00:55:01We have a kind of PC

00:55:02or an Apple, for example

00:55:04who always work

00:55:05at different frequencies

00:55:06in different worlds

00:55:07and from time to time

00:55:08they get together

00:55:09from time to time

00:55:10Things happen

00:55:11we will learn from them

00:55:12and we will continue investigating

00:55:13from the point of view

00:55:13of science

00:55:14and from the point of view

00:55:15of the exploration

00:55:16of learning

00:55:17of rigorous learning

00:55:18always on fourth millennium

00:55:19Mariano

00:55:19thanks a lot

00:55:20Thank you for your visit

00:55:21of course

00:55:21A highly recommended book

00:55:23death

00:55:23birth

00:55:24a new life

00:55:25We'll talk about many more things

00:55:26It has been a pleasure

00:55:27thanks a lot

00:55:27As always, Dr. Cabrera

00:55:29to you

00:55:29the key to consciousness

00:55:31it gives us the impression

00:55:32that at the next door

00:55:34Many secrets are hidden.

00:55:36stories that have fascinated

00:55:38and have terrified humankind

00:55:39from the beginning of time

00:55:40and now precisely

00:55:41We talked about that

00:55:42of disturbing stories

00:55:43the governments

00:55:44they will have used

00:55:44this knowledge

00:55:45these same electrodes

00:55:47these experiments

00:55:48in an attempt to generate fear

00:55:50to generate an appearance

00:55:51to see it again

00:55:52that circle of death

00:55:54Do you remember the painting by Bosch?

00:55:55well then

00:55:56at the University of Canada

00:55:57exploring the brain

00:56:00modifying a certain part

00:56:01the experiments

00:56:02they demonstrated

00:56:03that was seen again

00:56:04that tunnel of light

00:56:05that repeated image

00:56:06of one's own life

00:56:07that is to say

00:56:07There is an amazing mystery

00:56:09and we are

00:56:10on the borders

00:56:11to discover it

00:56:12We're also going to talk

00:56:13of one of the cases

00:56:14darkest

00:56:15of those we have had

00:56:16news on Cuarto Milenio

00:56:17The X-Files

00:56:19perhaps the last

00:56:19that has been done in Spain

00:56:20Ceuta funeral home

00:56:21cries

00:56:22regrets

00:56:23police intervention

00:56:24Let's find out everything here

00:56:25in fourth millennium

00:56:27and

00:56:58And at this point, I propose an experiment.

00:57:01It's called remote viewing and it has interested many governments, although this has almost always been kept secret.

00:57:07What is remote viewing? It would be like a step beyond astral travel or using it with other cinemas.

00:57:14for example, espionage.

00:57:15Don't they understand? I don't understand it very well either.

00:57:18Perhaps I'll get a much better sense of direction with the amazing drawings, the sketches that Don Santiago Camacho brings me.

00:57:23Good evening, Santi.

00:57:24Good evening, Iker.

00:57:25Everyone's staring at the plasma screen. What is this?

00:57:28These are two images. One is a real image, the one on the left, taken from a photograph.

00:57:35satellite spy.

00:57:37And the other is a drawing. Obviously, they look very similar, but this drawing was taken by one of those who

00:57:44They were called psychic spies.

00:57:46This man, without ever having been to this place, without ever having looked at a photograph of this place,

00:57:54Simply by pointing to a spot on the map, he drew this.

00:57:59And indeed, if we look closely, it corresponds to a secret Soviet facility that housed a crane with very specific characteristics.

00:58:07similar to the one this man drew

00:58:09that he had no way of knowing that there was such a crane there, or such rails, or even any kind of installation.

00:58:15human.

00:58:15He could have painted cows, little trees, or anything else like that.

00:58:19No, he did it using a technique that the Stanford Research Institute jointly developed.

00:58:26and the US Defense Intelligence Agency, which they called Remote Viewing.

00:58:31Was this story called Project Stargate?

00:58:33Would it be like using what we were talking about earlier regarding the brain, the ability for astral travel?

00:58:37so that someone in their consciousness can travel and see other things?

00:58:40Yes, the story of Project Stargate is fascinating because indeed in the 1970s

00:58:46The Department of Defense Intelligence spends $20 million on a psychic espionage program.

00:58:52They couldn't afford to go all over the country looking for gifted children,

00:58:57looking for people with extrasensory powers

00:59:00And they decide, they decide to develop a technique by which a volunteer, anyone,

00:59:05a soldier, any soldier who volunteered for the experiment,

00:59:09could somehow acquire remote knowledge, clairvoyance of some things that were happening.

00:59:16Sometimes experiments were done with much more common things, right?

00:59:19In other words, well, something that cannot be confused in any way,

00:59:21Because maybe the buildings, the runways, well, okay.

00:59:25But let's look at a set of windmills.

00:59:28Yes, it's more or less commonplace in many parts of Spain now, but it wasn't that well known before.

00:59:32No, at that time there were relatively few in the United States.

00:59:35And well, it was almost a curiosity.

00:59:37Let's show him a location on the map

00:59:39where there is a group of this type of wind turbine generator.

00:59:44And let's see what the subject draws.

00:59:46And what did he draw?

00:59:47Well, he drew something that looks quite similar.

00:59:50A series of hills, as we have seen, with some posts or pinnacles sticking out

00:59:56And there was something circulating about that said it saw a halo.

01:00:00In fact, it is perfectly written, halo not visible to the eye, places the experimental subject,

01:00:08but which would obviously correspond to the movement of the blades.

01:00:13A wonderful and fascinating story, and the proof, Santiago,

01:00:16that at least in the sphere of espionage they believed that maxim

01:00:20that anyone can be a seer, a gifted person.

01:00:23Something that other cultures, theories, and schools of thought also say.

01:00:26In other words, it's not just people who are capable of having visions,

01:00:29but all of us, deep within ourselves,

01:00:31We have that dormant something that the military wanted to awaken.

01:00:35Yes, and it seems that, judging by the evidence, they succeeded.

01:00:38Thank you very much, Santi, as always.

01:00:39To you, of course.

01:00:40And somehow we're going to keep talking about that halo,

01:00:42of that mysterious halo that remains on the other side of our consciousness

01:00:46and that sometimes, for example, it can take human form and frighten us,

01:00:51or laments, cries, screams.

01:00:53That's what was happening at the funeral home in Ceuta.

01:00:55a place that, like any funeral home, is certainly not pleasant to visit.

01:00:59And in that environment, things began to happen,

01:01:02things that ended up forming the last, perhaps, Spanish X-File,

01:01:06police documents.

01:01:08But in letters and reports, sometimes the whole picture isn't shown.

01:01:12Not everything that really happened is seen.

01:01:14It happened to people just like any of you or any of us,

01:01:17officials, members of the Security Force and even security guards.

01:01:22They experienced it there.

01:01:23Some things are unbelievable, but they happened.

01:01:26We imagined them like this.

01:01:29The hours passed peacefully.

01:01:32Gema and Encarna had no idea that everything was going to change that night,

01:01:36at the Ceuta funeral home.

01:01:39While they were reading peacefully,

01:01:41strange noises,

01:01:43similar to a sudden cry,

01:01:45They were taken out of that usual stillness.

01:01:48It sounded like a groan from beyond,

01:01:51accompanied by a strange murmur,

01:01:54as if it were a wake.

01:01:57The problem is that that morning,

01:01:59There were no deceased individuals at that facility.

01:02:04Gathering courage,

01:02:05The two began a tour of the funeral home's premises.

01:02:09They advanced in the darkness,

01:02:11hearing those heart-wrenching screams growing louder and louder,

01:02:14about which there was no longer any doubt.

01:02:17They belonged to a young woman.

01:02:20The noises seemed to be playing with them.

01:02:23If they went up one floor,

01:02:25The noise could be heard from below.

01:02:27If they went down,

01:02:28above.

01:02:30Suddenly,

01:02:31on one of the walls,

01:02:32The sound of knocking knuckles could be heard.

01:02:36A tapping sound,

01:02:37which made them panic.

01:02:40Sitting on the stairs,

01:02:42They hesitated to call the police.

01:02:44Who would believe them?

01:02:46But at about 2:10 in the morning,

01:02:49again,

01:02:49and stronger than ever,

01:02:51those screams that seemed to be peeling a non-existent dead body,

01:02:55They began to make themselves known once again,

01:02:57advancing like a scream from another world.

01:03:00And they couldn't take it anymore.

01:03:03Two vehicles and a total of eight local rapid intervention police officers,

01:03:07They witnessed those events.

01:03:10Two of them,

01:03:11listening to the sound from the entrance,

01:03:13They refused to go up to the offices,

01:03:15overcome by fear.

01:03:17The rest of the detachment combed every square meter of the funeral home,

01:03:21and they found no explanation for those horrible sounds.

01:03:24The security guard from the Duca oil company also joined that search.

01:03:29A man who had been there for several hours,

01:03:31I had been hearing those laments.

01:03:34After several hours of fruitless searching,

01:03:37The officers concluded their service.

01:03:40Upon arriving at the police station,

01:03:42the incidents of that night,

01:03:44They were recorded in a police report.

01:03:47Perhaps,

01:03:48the last great Spanish X-File.

01:03:56Cuarto Milenio traveled to Ceuta.

01:03:58He was at that funeral home.

01:03:59We were doing research,

01:04:00And we really realized that fear could still be felt in some people.

01:04:05Alberto Granados accompanied us in this investigation and prepared this report.

01:04:09Alberto, good evening.

01:04:09How are you? Good evening, Iker.

01:04:11You might be interested in paying attention to that document written by the police.

01:04:15Eight witnesses,

01:04:17a security guard and two people from the funeral home.

01:04:21In total, eleven witnesses to a supposedly paranormal event.

01:04:24We will try to discover what those voices really are.

01:04:27And parapsychology has something to say about it.

01:04:30It seemed, according to what we were told,

01:04:31that in those empty rooms,

01:04:34in those empty burial mounds,

01:04:35There was a wake,

01:04:37non-existent,

01:04:38but that was happening,

01:04:39with those same macabre tunes that they also knew.

01:04:42The report contains extracts worth noting.

01:04:45Alberto.

01:04:45Yes, because it takes us back to November 2002

01:04:47and it says something like where the officers on duty

01:04:50They reported hearing screams inside,

01:04:52apparently from a woman,

01:04:54then giving a tour of its interior,

01:04:56being able to witness and hear the cries of lament

01:04:58without knowing their origin.

01:05:00I believe that for many of our viewers

01:05:02that they be more skeptical,

01:05:03as soon as we talk about the police,

01:05:05local police,

01:05:06of eight members who were there

01:05:08registering, looking, seeing,

01:05:10I believe that skepticism will gradually fade away.

01:05:12Alberto, thank you very much.

01:05:13Thank you.

01:05:14Of course, history, as we say,

01:05:16has a first and last name,

01:05:17has individuals who argue

01:05:19who saw it, who lived it.

01:05:21This is their story,

01:05:22the story of the last Spanish X-File,

01:05:24the Ceuta Funeral Home.

01:05:28It's a modern building,

01:05:30erected just a decade ago.

01:05:34Stones, crystals, corridors,

01:05:36and seemingly,

01:05:38nothing to make us suspicious

01:05:39that paranormal events occurred here.

01:05:43However, the past,

01:05:44the story,

01:05:46It already indicated that that had always been the case.

01:05:48a place of concentrated pain.

01:05:50Perhaps that same pain

01:05:52that was sliding down these stairs

01:05:54and hallways.

01:06:02It was a municipal public school.

01:06:05which I believe was founded there

01:06:07during the time of the dictatorship

01:06:09of Primo Rivera,

01:06:10more or less,

01:06:11during the Republic,

01:06:12was.

01:06:13And that's it.

01:06:14from the end of the civil war,

01:06:16I mean,

01:06:16already in the post-war period,

01:06:17well,

01:06:18it became

01:06:20as if it had been

01:06:20in a sanatorium.

01:06:22But the real story

01:06:23that transformed this place

01:06:25in a real X-File

01:06:27It begins one November night

01:06:29from the year 2002.

01:06:31A terrifying early morning

01:06:32that those officials

01:06:34They will never forget.

01:06:36And we're in the fourth

01:06:37What about the janitor?

01:06:39And then she was studying

01:06:41and I was reading a magazine.

01:06:42Then I told her,

01:06:44This girl's name is Encarni,

01:06:45I tell Encarni,

01:06:46Do you hear what I'm hearing?

01:06:48Says,

01:06:48Well, the truth is, yes.

01:06:50Then we heard it

01:06:52like a woman.

01:06:53So we wanted to eat

01:06:54Saturday night,

01:06:55we said,

01:06:56Let's open the door,

01:06:57Let's see if she's a girl from the neighborhood.

01:06:58I don't know,

01:06:59because one Saturday night

01:06:59and goes out partying,

01:07:00Maybe he hears,

01:07:01He doesn't know what it is.

01:07:02And we opened the door

01:07:03of what the sanatorium is

01:07:05and we started to look

01:07:06And there was absolutely no sound.

01:07:08We closed the door

01:07:08and all the voices

01:07:09They were inside the sanatorium.

01:07:11So it was heard,

01:07:13It was like,

01:07:14I'll place you,

01:07:15It was like the situation

01:07:15It was a wake,

01:07:17It was the murmur of many people

01:07:18and the crying stood out

01:07:22like a woman's lament.

01:07:26And on the wall,

01:07:27on the staircase in the sanatorium,

01:07:29on that wall,

01:07:29They hit each other as if with knuckles,

01:07:32like blows like that.

01:07:32Those terrified officials

01:07:35They began to travel

01:07:36all departments

01:07:37in search of the mysterious voices.

01:07:40Perhaps it was the worst moment,

01:07:43alone,

01:07:43advancing in the darkness,

01:07:46climbing the steps,

01:07:47facing those laments

01:07:49growing stronger,

01:07:51nearest.

01:07:52We called and they brought four cars

01:07:54of the local police,

01:07:56who were eight local police officers,

01:07:59and they went in,

01:08:00Six people entered first thing in the morning.

01:08:01and two,

01:08:02Well, they didn't want to go in.

01:08:05Then they started recording,

01:08:06The other two boys have already gone in,

01:08:08And there were already eight of them,

01:08:08They were searching,

01:08:09They recorded everything,

01:08:10just like us,

01:08:11but they've already been uploaded

01:08:11the top part,

01:08:13then I was listening

01:08:14just like us.

01:08:15I was going up,

01:08:15The voices were lowering,

01:08:16was going down,

01:08:16The voices rose,

01:08:17then they registered

01:08:18everything totally

01:08:19and nothing,

01:08:20The voices were still inside.

01:08:21The noises stopped

01:08:22around six in the morning.

01:08:24The police officers were impressed

01:08:26They also left the building

01:08:28without knowing what decision to make.

01:08:31That same morning,

01:08:33the then director

01:08:34of the local police,

01:08:35Angel Gomez,

01:08:36he was facing

01:08:37to the strangest file

01:08:39that he had ever seen in his life.

01:08:41An official report

01:08:42where they were recorded in detail

01:08:44all incidents

01:08:45of that night.

01:08:47They searched the building

01:08:48of the two floors it has,

01:08:50There was nobody there,

01:08:51But they did listen.

01:08:52these noises

01:08:53of this type of scream.

01:08:55Whereby,

01:08:57Initially it was thought

01:08:58going hand in hand

01:08:59of logic

01:09:00that could have been

01:09:01an animal

01:09:02that it was

01:09:03in a well,

01:09:04in a gap

01:09:05and that he had fled.

01:09:07Oh well,

01:09:07a record was made

01:09:09thorough

01:09:09of the entire area,

01:09:10of all the tunnels

01:09:11that connected to the beach,

01:09:12since the funeral home

01:09:13It's right across from a beach.

01:09:15Nothing was found there.

01:09:17And that's all.

01:09:17That's what's surprising.

01:09:18of history.

01:09:19Or there was

01:09:20a concert

01:09:21of wills

01:09:21among all those who

01:09:23They were there

01:09:24and there was a psychological influence

01:09:26that the subconscious

01:09:28He made them listen

01:09:29or really

01:09:29Did they hear something?

01:09:30out of the ordinary.

01:09:32The firefighters

01:09:33They performed another

01:09:34underground survey

01:09:35to explore

01:09:36the existing wells

01:09:37near the area.

01:09:39They found nothing either.

01:09:40objects or animals

01:09:41that they might have generated

01:09:43a sound

01:09:44so similar

01:09:44to the torn

01:09:46human voice.

01:09:47It was the firefighters

01:09:48They were surveyors

01:09:50municipal

01:09:51They looked at each other

01:09:52the plans

01:09:52of the building

01:09:53being a building

01:09:53newly built

01:09:54It didn't have to have

01:09:56no type

01:09:57double-walled

01:09:58or I don't know

01:09:59some explanation.

01:10:01It was a new building

01:10:02newly built

01:10:03the funeral home

01:10:05We saw the plans

01:10:06The firefighters were there

01:10:07experts were present

01:10:08in buildings

01:10:10They were looking at everything

01:10:12and well

01:10:12In the end I say again

01:10:13that there is no explanation

01:10:15and because we would have

01:10:16found an animal

01:10:17dead

01:10:17or anything

01:10:18a cat

01:10:18a dog

01:10:18any type

01:10:20of animal

01:10:21would have been

01:10:22an explanation

01:10:22that entered

01:10:23within reason

01:10:23But there was none there.

01:10:25no explanation

01:10:25And that is true

01:10:27that they express

01:10:28who heard the noises

01:10:29the screams

01:10:30the groans

01:10:31the lamentations

01:10:31but it was not located

01:10:33the focus.

01:10:34And so

01:10:34with a certain helplessness

01:10:36the case of the voices

01:10:37from the funeral home

01:10:38it became

01:10:40part of the files

01:10:41unresolved

01:10:42condemned to oblivion

01:10:43for a society

01:10:44that he cannot interpret them

01:10:46There was repercussion

01:10:48a repercussion

01:10:49important

01:10:49both at the local level

01:10:50as well as at the national level

01:10:51all media

01:10:52communication

01:10:53national scope

01:10:53they echoed

01:10:54of the so-called

01:10:55case of the funeral home

01:10:57here in the city

01:10:58the truth

01:10:58that the citizens

01:11:01well they began

01:11:01to say

01:11:03that they knew

01:11:04those cases

01:11:05that there were

01:11:06I heard some noises

01:11:07They also spoke

01:11:08from other places

01:11:08like the autonomous palace

01:11:10like the Atlante hotel

01:11:12they were already beginning to emerge

01:11:14comments

01:11:15about the appearance

01:11:16of sounds

01:11:16as a matter of course

01:11:17if previously

01:11:19Nobody was speaking

01:11:19of those noises

01:11:20of those possible noises

01:11:21of those possible moans

01:11:22in many places

01:11:23of the city

01:11:24began to emerge

01:11:25everyone

01:11:26was interested

01:11:26what is it really

01:11:27had happened

01:11:28at the funeral home

01:11:29from Ceuta

01:11:31after four years

01:11:32of imposed silence

01:11:33the team

01:11:34from Fourth Millennium

01:11:35spent the night

01:11:36in that building

01:11:37trying to find

01:11:38a logical explanation

01:11:40for what we experienced

01:11:41that night

01:11:42It was then

01:11:43when we became aware

01:11:45that many people

01:11:46in those days

01:11:47November 2002

01:11:49had suffered

01:11:50similar phenomena

01:11:52because we had been keeping watch

01:11:54to my grandmother two days

01:11:54because he died

01:11:55early morning

01:11:56of the 22nd

01:11:57And then it arrived

01:11:58one moment

01:11:59in what

01:11:59the relatives

01:12:01Well, they left.

01:12:01to change

01:12:02for the funeral

01:12:05and nothing

01:12:06we stayed

01:12:06my aunt Tata and I

01:12:07we were there

01:12:08alone

01:12:09in the anteroom

01:12:09where the coffin is

01:12:10in the previous room

01:12:12and we listened

01:12:13some sobs

01:12:14very complainers

01:12:15with great sorrow

01:12:16and then

01:12:17clear

01:12:17we were amazed

01:12:18because

01:12:19we thought

01:12:20if we

01:12:20We are the most affected

01:12:22who cries like this

01:12:23with so much sorrow

01:12:24and we went in

01:12:25and the truth

01:12:25we didn't see anyone

01:12:26we started looking

01:12:26they could be heard

01:12:28the sobs

01:12:28but not

01:12:29We didn't see anyone

01:12:30and was

01:12:30what used to be the funeral home

01:12:31I was practically

01:12:32desert

01:12:34although officially

01:12:35the strange sounds

01:12:36ceased

01:12:37that same morning

01:12:38of the police intervention

01:12:39fourth millennium

01:12:41has confirmed

01:12:42that there are more employees

01:12:43and visitors

01:12:44that they have felt

01:12:45how they were shooting at them

01:12:46of the hair

01:12:46finding

01:12:48alone in the building

01:12:49how they were blowing on them

01:12:51or they called

01:12:51by his name

01:12:52how it appeared

01:12:54a dark shadow

01:12:54moving

01:12:55towards the second floor

01:12:57as

01:12:57in short

01:12:59the phenomena

01:13:00they were repeated

01:13:00again and again

01:13:01on certain nights

01:13:03it was with

01:13:05a sob

01:13:06with great sorrow

01:13:07It was a woman's

01:13:08She cried with great sorrow.

01:13:11with lamentations

01:13:11as if lamenting

01:13:13and they were very strong

01:13:15we track

01:13:16we recorded

01:13:18we asked

01:13:19and we reviewed

01:13:20every corner

01:13:21of the building

01:13:22and we didn't find

01:13:24no explanation

01:13:25to the noises

01:13:25just as

01:13:26They described it to us

01:13:27the witnesses

01:13:28human voices

01:13:30unmistakable

01:13:31voices that raised

01:13:33the death of someone

01:13:35voices of mourning

01:13:36that officially

01:13:37they cannot exist

01:13:47I want to thank

01:13:48on behalf of Cuarto Milenio

01:13:49especially

01:13:50courage

01:13:51of people like

01:13:52Gema Sánchez

01:13:53that opened the doors for us

01:13:54from that place

01:13:54He taught us

01:13:55all the secrets

01:13:56main protagonist

01:13:57of this story

01:13:57and of people

01:13:59of authorities

01:13:59as if he were

01:14:00local police chief

01:14:01today, delegate of the government

01:14:02in Ceuta

01:14:03Don Ángel Gómez

01:14:04Thanks for showing

01:14:06so openly

01:14:06an event that happened

01:14:07and that no one has been able to solve

01:14:09the big question would be

01:14:10What are we facing?

01:14:12when we talk about parapsychology

01:14:13of rigorous parapsychology

01:14:15about what we don't think about

01:14:16or not us

01:14:17but what they say

01:14:18the old treaties

01:14:19of these matters

01:14:20so strange

01:14:20we always refer

01:14:21to our dear colleague

01:14:22Santiago Vázquez

01:14:23Welcome Santiago

01:14:24good night

01:14:25good night

01:14:25voices

01:14:26usually

01:14:27the viewers

01:14:29of our program

01:14:29have heard

01:14:30of strange voices

01:14:31when they are recorded

01:14:32there we must say

01:14:33the results

01:14:33our colleague Alberto

01:14:35I was with the recorder

01:14:36There were no positive results.

01:14:38there was nothing

01:14:39out of the ordinary

01:14:39but rarely

01:14:40The voices are audible

01:14:41I mean, like if someone

01:14:42there would have

01:14:42to the point

01:14:43that the police

01:14:45in the report

01:14:46highlights that

01:14:46they were about to

01:14:47to tear down

01:14:48one of the doors

01:14:49because the police

01:14:50I thought there was

01:14:50someone

01:14:51really

01:14:51locked up there

01:14:52yes yes

01:14:53so sharp

01:14:54were

01:14:55It's very interesting.

01:14:56because

01:14:56clear

01:14:57we talk about

01:14:58professionals

01:14:59that is to say

01:15:00first of all

01:15:01we have to rule out

01:15:03natural causes

01:15:05in this case

01:15:06they are totally

01:15:07discarded

01:15:07He also plays

01:15:09an important role

01:15:09can play

01:15:10a very important role

01:15:11suggestion

01:15:12But of course

01:15:13a person

01:15:14could be

01:15:14suggestible

01:15:15but not

01:15:16two employees

01:15:17a watchman

01:15:18security

01:15:18and eight police officers

01:15:19that is to say

01:15:20that on that side

01:15:21the matter

01:15:22It's clear.

01:15:23I consider

01:15:24very important

01:15:25extremely important

01:15:26this case

01:15:26Iker

01:15:27because again

01:15:28the police

01:15:29appears through

01:15:30with police report

01:15:31that attest

01:15:32that give

01:15:32that authenticate

01:15:34really

01:15:34these phenomena

01:15:35Is there a name?

01:15:36for the voices

01:15:37When are they audible?

01:15:38Yeah

01:15:38clear and audience

01:15:39clear and audience

01:15:42now then

01:15:42It is a term

01:15:44That has to be said

01:15:44It needs to be made clear

01:15:45It is a term

01:15:46which is included

01:15:47within the vocabulary

01:15:49spiritualist

01:15:49or spiritualist

01:15:52that is to say

01:15:52We are not saying that

01:15:53I'm not saying

01:15:54that these people

01:15:56these witnesses

01:15:57have heard

01:15:58voices of the spirits

01:15:59simply that they perceive

01:16:01sounds

01:16:02in this case

01:16:03a voice

01:16:03in this case

01:16:04a groan

01:16:05wailing

01:16:06cries

01:16:06regrets

01:16:07from someone

01:16:08that we don't know

01:16:09who

01:16:09of a paranormal cause

01:16:10that manifests

01:16:11and?

01:16:13I would dare

01:16:14although I haven't been

01:16:15in this place

01:16:16I would dare

01:16:17to say

01:16:17by the study

01:16:18what have I done

01:16:20that the cause

01:16:21not found

01:16:22within our level

01:16:23otological

01:16:24within our

01:16:25spatiotemporal coordinates

01:16:26is found

01:16:27beyond

01:16:29They are spirits

01:16:30We can't do that

01:16:31ensure

01:16:33But it's not from here.

01:16:35cold

01:16:35clear

01:16:36cold

01:16:37thermogenesis

01:16:38thermogenesis

01:16:39thermogenesis

01:16:40she feels

01:16:40a sudden cold

01:16:41Yeah

01:16:41This is very common

01:16:43You know that perfectly well.

01:16:44It's a sudden change

01:16:45temperature

01:16:46at room temperature

01:16:48logically

01:16:49Yeah

01:16:49you are in the place

01:16:50with a meter

01:16:51a thermometer

01:16:53can be taken

01:16:54the temperature

01:16:54then we will be able to

01:16:55perfectly

01:16:56when it happens

01:16:56the phenomenon

01:16:57consider

01:16:58that the temperature

01:16:59can descend

01:17:0010-15 degrees

01:17:01and this has

01:17:02very extensive bibliography

01:17:03of cases of people

01:17:04who say that fair

01:17:05before something happens

01:17:06They feel that cold

01:17:07It's like the preamble

01:17:08It's like a species

01:17:09advertisement

01:17:09that is to say

01:17:10occurs

01:17:10that feeling of cold

01:17:12it can be more or less

01:17:13intense

01:17:13more or less violent

01:17:15and after that

01:17:16it happens

01:17:17It often happens

01:17:18not always

01:17:18a paranormal phenomenon

01:17:20They even spoke to us

01:17:21of smells

01:17:21Santiago

01:17:22smells

01:17:23Clarence

01:17:24Clarence

01:17:25I was left wanting more

01:17:26to know

01:17:26what kind of smells

01:17:28exactly

01:17:28sometimes like incense

01:17:30They told us

01:17:31as if it permeated

01:17:32a modern building

01:17:33with no one inside

01:17:34we repeat

01:17:35without any ceremony

01:17:36for a deceased person

01:17:37It must also be said

01:17:38I have to say it

01:17:39We were very impressed.

01:17:40with work

01:17:40For example

01:17:41by Gema Sánchez

01:17:41that he received there

01:17:42the coffins

01:17:43completely alone

01:17:44It needs to be said

01:17:45that many times

01:17:47in that funeral home

01:17:47The power went out

01:17:48I was alone

01:17:49picking up the coffin

01:17:50that they left it there

01:17:50putting it in a room

01:17:52without anyone

01:17:52and sometimes without light

01:17:53There has been something

01:17:54very important

01:17:55who called me

01:17:55a lot of attention

01:17:57and that's when

01:17:57the witnesses report

01:17:59that woman's moan

01:18:01that lament

01:18:02that woman's cry

01:18:04I went from one place to another

01:18:05exactly

01:18:06that is to say

01:18:09we could conclude by saying

01:18:10the conclusion would be

01:18:11that the paranormal cause

01:18:13which caused this phenomenon

01:18:15at the Ceuta funeral home

01:18:16It's a smart cause.

01:18:18that is to say

01:18:20treats

01:18:20to attract attention

01:18:21and not only

01:18:23to attract attention

01:18:23but plays

01:18:25in quotation marks

01:18:25by the witnesses

01:18:27because according

01:18:28as we have heard

01:18:29as they approached

01:18:30on a floor

01:18:31where it was heard

01:18:32automatically

01:18:32the voices

01:18:33or the moans

01:18:35they changed places

01:18:36and they went to another one

01:18:37They were going to that other one

01:18:38and the voices changed

01:18:39and they went to another one

01:18:40that is to say

01:18:41the paranormal cause

01:18:41play

01:18:42with the witnesses

01:18:43by the way

01:18:45sounds like these

01:18:46They also called

01:18:47Your attention is very much needed.

01:18:48There are many bibliographies

01:18:49about these sounds

01:18:50many

01:18:50You know that perfectly well.

01:18:51knuckles in a piece of wood

01:18:52on a wall

01:18:54They are raps

01:18:55in parapsychology

01:18:56They are blows

01:18:57So, this begins

01:18:58look

01:18:58It begins in 1848

01:19:00with the Fox sisters

01:19:01the first communication

01:19:02that is officially known

01:19:03with alleged entities

01:19:06from beyond

01:19:06It starts precisely

01:19:08in that year

01:19:0919th century

01:19:10with the Fox sisters

01:19:10through blows

01:19:13tiptology

01:19:13then it devolved

01:19:14in grammatology

01:19:15that is to say

01:19:16communication

01:19:16with alleged causes

01:19:17from beyond

01:19:18through blows

01:19:19which curiously

01:19:20the paranormal cause

01:19:21he answered the same way

01:19:22Santiago finally

01:19:24these phenomena

01:19:25They emerge with that force

01:19:26one day in November

01:19:27from 2002

01:19:27and disappear

01:19:28suddenly

01:19:29It is important to say

01:19:31which is not always the case

01:19:32that is to say

01:19:33in phenomena of enchantment

01:19:34an enchantment

01:19:36or a haunted place

01:19:37can last

01:19:38years

01:19:38even decades

01:19:40Are there similar cases?

01:19:40Santiago to this one?

01:19:41There are similar cases

01:19:42For example

01:19:43We have the Linares Palace

01:19:44where you already know

01:19:46that I was

01:19:46investigating

01:19:47over there

01:19:49Things happened

01:19:50very similar

01:19:51have

01:19:52There is a place

01:19:52very interesting

01:19:53Well

01:19:53You managed to get that out there.

01:19:54a film

01:19:55that we have had the pleasure

01:19:57in the first stage

01:19:58of fourth millennium

01:19:59to observe

01:20:00a strange recording

01:20:01in the mirror

01:20:02are reflected

01:20:03some figures

01:20:03which I believe is one

01:20:04of the documents

01:20:05rarer

01:20:05obtained in history

01:20:06of psychology

01:20:06in this country

01:20:07No?

01:20:07Yeah

01:20:08It's a video

01:20:08awesome

01:20:09really because of the content

01:20:10when they appear

01:20:11two spectral figures

01:20:12that were not

01:20:13then

01:20:14period dresses

01:20:15and that were collected there

01:20:16in the palace of Linares

01:20:17there were phenomena

01:20:18of this type

01:20:18and there was a lot of fraud

01:20:19One day we'll tell that story.

01:20:20the EVP fraud

01:20:22from Mrs. Carmen Sánchez de Castro

01:20:23It is evident that

01:20:25It did a lot of damage

01:20:26to parapsychology

01:20:27and to all people

01:20:28that we believe

01:20:29that the EVP recordings

01:20:30through experimentation

01:20:31They are a real phenomenon

01:20:33What can be done about this?

01:20:34when one sees

01:20:34in a situation of this type

01:20:35Should we be afraid?

01:20:37Do we have to flee?

01:20:38of these phenomena?

01:20:39What needs to be done?

01:20:39the best thing is

01:20:42It's difficult

01:20:42But the best thing is

01:20:44ignore

01:20:45to the extent

01:20:46of what is possible

01:20:46the phenomena

01:20:47because it's proven

01:20:49that

01:20:49to the extent

01:20:51that the paranormal cause

01:20:52whoever causes the phenomenon

01:20:53He feels watched.

01:20:55that is to say

01:20:55captures attention

01:20:56of people

01:20:58It gains strength

01:21:00acts more violently

01:21:02with more insistence

01:21:03so

01:21:04has been proven

01:21:05for example

01:21:07in this case

01:21:08It would be impossible.

01:21:08but at a residence

01:21:10if the family

01:21:11leave the place

01:21:12for a while

01:21:12the phenomena

01:21:13can cease

01:21:14that is to say

01:21:15the recommendation would be

01:21:16Don't give it importance.

01:21:18to the point

01:21:19that it is possible

01:21:20ignore them

01:21:21very good conclusion

01:21:22to avoid causing distress

01:21:23to many people

01:21:24that we know

01:21:24who is watching us

01:21:25and that in their homes

01:21:26have lived

01:21:27or are living

01:21:28events

01:21:28of this type

01:21:29not paying attention

01:21:30to a cause

01:21:30Whatever happens

01:21:31We don't know here.

01:21:32mental power

01:21:33your management

01:21:34beings from another plane

01:21:35who knows

01:21:36But it seems they're growing.

01:21:37when one pays attention

01:21:38that's how it is

01:21:39Santiago, it's a pleasure.

01:21:39as usual

01:21:40Thank you very much, mate.

01:21:41Thanks Iker

01:21:41good night

01:21:42Now let's look at the photographs.

01:21:43photographs that

01:21:44in this case of Ceuta

01:21:45There were none

01:21:45of alleged presences

01:21:47But there are many.

01:21:49apparently

01:21:49in which they send us

01:21:50the friends

01:21:51of fourth millennium

01:22:11Jung

01:22:11that I already knew something about this

01:22:13He wrote a book

01:22:14which was called

01:22:14about things

01:22:15that can be seen in the skies

01:22:16and it is to heaven

01:22:17We need to be very attentive.

01:22:18Right, Carmen?

01:22:18Yeah

01:22:19We have also received

01:22:20two curious

01:22:21images taken

01:22:22in Tenerife

01:22:23the two

01:22:24Emilio Larcón

01:22:25he sent us

01:22:25some of them

01:22:26some tremendous

01:22:27lenticular clouds

01:22:28He knew this effect

01:22:30It happened on occasion

01:22:31But the truth is

01:22:32because they are worthy

01:22:33from a book

01:22:33from that book by Jung

01:22:34For example

01:22:35It's a type

01:22:36of clouds called

01:22:38as I said before

01:22:39lenticular cloud

01:22:40It is called

01:22:41due to its shape

01:22:41saucer

01:22:42lentil

01:22:43or converging lens

01:22:44precisely because of its shape

01:22:45that remembers

01:22:46like a flying saucer

01:22:47the other image

01:22:48she sent it to us

01:22:49José Barroso

01:22:50from Granadilla de Abona

01:22:51also

01:22:52on the island of Tenerife

01:22:54and as we see

01:22:55Iker

01:22:55They are two images

01:22:56that really

01:22:57They are truly shocking

01:22:59because it looks like a flying saucer

01:23:00rather

01:23:01a mothership

01:23:02I think Guillermo León

01:23:03our IT analyst

01:23:04he has been especially fascinated

01:23:06with this shot

01:23:07made in a cemetery

01:23:08Yeah

01:23:08we kept staying

01:23:10in Tenerife

01:23:11because Marité

01:23:11who is the person

01:23:12that sends it to us

01:23:13from Guimar

01:23:14because he traveled to the United States

01:23:15over there

01:23:16visited a cemetery

01:23:17above all

01:23:18those who were dedicated

01:23:19to the fallen

01:23:20in the Vietnam War

01:23:21and in World War II

01:23:23And the truth is that

01:23:24captured an image

01:23:25very curious

01:23:26I was taking a picture

01:23:27of that cemetery

01:23:29that was

01:23:29in Washington

01:23:30and suddenly

01:23:31when he went to reveal

01:23:32the photographs

01:23:33he found that

01:23:34the soldiers appeared

01:23:35like running

01:23:36through that cemetery

01:23:38What was that?

01:23:38she didn't remember

01:23:39having seen

01:23:40those images

01:23:41never

01:23:42But there's an explanation.

01:23:43Guillermo León

01:23:44has sailed

01:23:45all over the internet

01:23:46trying to find

01:23:47a response

01:23:48to this curious image

01:23:49And Iker has it.

01:23:51It's a wall

01:23:52as we see

01:23:53here

01:23:53we have rescued

01:23:54from their website

01:23:55of this cemetery

01:23:56and it specifically concerns

01:23:58of the Korean War

01:23:59Veterans Memorial

01:24:00besides

01:24:01There is an epitaph

01:24:02at the base

01:24:02There is a wall

01:24:03dark gray granite

01:24:04with 2,400 faces

01:24:06of troops

01:24:07support

01:24:07terrestrial

01:24:08aerial

01:24:08and maritime

01:24:09so

01:24:10phenomenon explained

01:24:11now then

01:24:12this one that's coming

01:24:13It's like

01:24:13with an aged flavor

01:24:15fairies

01:24:16Yeah

01:24:17It's curious

01:24:18this image

01:24:19in previous programs

01:24:20we have captured

01:24:22funny little dolls

01:24:23that appeared to be floating

01:24:25in some of the rooms

01:24:26but we had never met

01:24:27with this that seems

01:24:28a fairy

01:24:29José Manuel López Flores

01:24:30He says they were passing by

01:24:32a birthday

01:24:33There we see it

01:24:33with the cake

01:24:34leaving

01:24:34from the kitchen

01:24:35to give a surprise

01:24:36and suddenly

01:24:37They captured this image

01:24:38there is an object

01:24:39flying

01:24:40They identify him

01:24:41with a fairy

01:24:41but Guillermo León

01:24:42It tells us that it is about

01:24:43of an insect

01:24:44We've even done

01:24:45the comparison

01:24:46with a bee

01:24:47There we see her

01:24:48that because of the contrast

01:24:49of lights

01:24:50of shadows

01:24:50and even the flash

01:24:51from the camera

01:24:52because it has given

01:24:52this curious effect

01:24:54who knows

01:24:54if it's an insect

01:24:55or a fairy

01:24:56really

01:24:57Well, of course.

01:24:58that the great Arthur

01:24:59Donald Doyle

01:25:00I would be eager

01:25:01of having a photo

01:25:02how are you

01:25:02because back then

01:25:03They deceived him

01:25:04with photographs of fairies

01:25:05precisely

01:25:05one day we have to play

01:25:06this topic

01:25:07the fairies

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