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00:00:22Thirty long years have passed, but I am convinced that no one has been able to forget it.

00:00:27No one who had witnessed this scene.

00:00:30José María Íñigo, an exceptional witness. A very direct program. 18 million viewers.

00:00:35And as a star guest, the enigmatic Uri Geller.

00:00:39A person with a penetrating and magnetic gaze who claimed to use the hidden powers of his own mind.

00:00:45But the curious thing is that he didn't say it, he proved it.

00:00:48And not only that. Bending spoons, repairing broken watches...

00:00:52All of that happened in thousands of homes.

00:00:55People began to experience it by following his strange instructions.

00:00:58As I said, a lot of time has passed.

00:01:01But no one knows if it's a trick, a reality, or a mixture of both.

00:01:06Tonight on Cuarto Milenio, the presidents of the Spanish Society of Parapsychology...

00:01:10...they are going to repeat what happened in that Spanish television studio.

00:01:14We're going to experience it here.

00:01:14And we're going to discover the real Geller enigma, the real code.

00:01:18Was it real or was it an elaborate hoax?

00:01:21We also have other absolutely fascinating topics.

00:01:29Tonight we travel to a place marked by bad luck.

00:01:33A psychiatric hospital where a horrific crime took place...

00:01:36...and where even today people talk about rituals and sinister apparitions.

00:01:41Blanquete and the funereal smell of wax.

00:01:43Manolete and the man in gray who tormented him until his death.

00:01:46Cursed posters and fulfilled omens.

00:01:49Today we will discover the hidden mysteries of the bullfighting world.

00:01:53It's the real crime museum.

00:01:56Photos, documents, gadgets, and stories...

00:01:59...are stored as a sample of the authentic dark history of our country.

00:02:03It will be a visit that's hard to forget.

00:02:06And as always, there will be no shortage of enigmatic photographs...

00:02:10...sent to us by our friends at Cuarto Milenio.

00:02:16Two hundred years ago, Goya drew a series of characters...

00:02:20...which today seem almost ghostly to us.

00:02:22However, they were bullfighters.

00:02:24One of them was the lawyer from Fals.

00:02:26A man who defied the beast's deadly horns...

00:02:29...cloaked in a dark cloak that almost resembled that of death.

00:02:33There were also individuals like Martíncho...

00:02:34...who would eventually be ringed or chained in front of the antlers.

00:02:38These things were common in a world that still drew from ancestral, ancient rites...

00:02:43...which we hardly understand anymore.

00:02:45However, throughout the 20th century, the world of bullfighting reflected omens of death...

00:02:50...cursed posters, objects, or colors that are absolutely hated...

00:02:54...a series of rituals that may seem absurd to us, but that are there nonetheless...

00:02:58...and that condition the lives of even the greatest.

00:03:00Tonight we will discover the mystery behind that controversial discipline or art of bullfighting.

00:03:07Let's begin with a truly incredible story.

00:03:10The one of a subordinate, the one of a silver-clad man.

00:03:13Those who never had fame, but who nevertheless are sometimes essential for the fight to go well.

00:03:18His name was Blanquette and his story is truly incredible.

00:03:22The man who had a certain premonition of death.

00:03:25The man who smelled of wax.

00:03:35In the 1920s there was a junior bullfighter named Blanquette, who was highly regarded by the bullfighters of the time.

00:03:41In the final stretch of his career as a silver medalist, strange things began to happen to him.

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00:11:03They think it had something to do with his last fateful afternoon, when in a strange mistake

00:11:08The island bull learned it the hard way as a beginner. It is even said that the mysterious

00:11:16The character was on his deathbed, in the dilapidated infirmary, staring intently at him

00:11:24with eyes still open, but orphaned of life. Undoubtedly, the blackest poster of

00:11:31The bullfighting team was made up of Paquirri, Gillo and Soro, that September afternoon

00:11:39From '84 in a second-class bullring, Pozo Blanco. A clever, well-built bull, small but with

00:11:48According to the Cadiz team, a very brazen man cut short the life of Francisco Rivera with a goring.

00:11:54which broke his femoral artery. Paquirri fought until the very last moment, and scenes of his composure

00:12:01In their agony, they circled the globe. All of Spain mourned an unexpected tragedy.

00:12:07which showed that sometimes the celebration is also a time of mourning for a bullfighter. A year later, José

00:12:15Cubero el Gillo was the victim of a fatal goring in Colmenar Viejo, one of the most

00:12:21The most dreadful of all time. The heart was ripped open like a book by the horn

00:12:27of the mocking bull. For his part, Vicente Ruiz, "El Soro," suffered a brutal goring in the Maestranza bullring.

00:12:34which forced him to walk with crutches for the rest of his life. As if that weren't enough, one of

00:12:41Avispado was murdered a few years later by the owners of the cattle ranch to which he belonged.

00:12:45by one of his employees. Bullfighting people have always clung to superstitions.

00:12:52ancient rituals and premonitions to try to silence that choral sigh that comes out

00:12:58from the throats of the stands when the animal's horn extinguishes the lights of the suit and the blood

00:13:04She is swallowed by the sand of the arena as a final ovation resounds, leading the bullfighter out.

00:13:10out of this world through the front door.

00:13:17Well, there we had the great Manolete, a mythical, legendary figure, but with an end too

00:13:21Mysterious, especially because of that man in gray. Did he really exist? Was he a fable? Was he

00:13:26a moment of obsession for Manolete himself, who was subjected to an incredible amount

00:13:30Bullfights? What was it? Who was Joaquín, the man in gray? What do you think?

00:13:34Well, it's very well presented, as is the man in gray, because nobody else would be able to.

00:13:39He refused to give us his name or show us a photograph of himself. This is an oral legend.

00:13:43that has been circulating in the bullfighting world since the 1940s, relating to a mysterious fan

00:13:50Wherever Manolete was bullfighting in his last season, he could always be seen in the stands.

00:13:55occupying the same seat on the same line. He was a man, as described, who apparently

00:14:02He didn't attract attention for anything. A man who dressed in a way that was no longer normal, but

00:14:07Vulgar. His features were those of a man condemned to go unnoticed his entire life.

00:14:13Wherever he went. Impossible to identify him, Joaquín. Impossible to identify. Then he killed Manolete.

00:14:16The last bull, or the swordsman who was to kill the last bull, would bend the bull and that

00:14:20The man had already disappeared. And it seems that Manolete asked people several times.

00:14:25close to him, from his circle, from his followers, hey, do you know this man who is always

00:14:29In every square? I don't know who he is. And nobody knew him. They also knew each other.

00:14:33They were saying, "Hey, who is this man?" Because, of course, everyone found it very strange that a follower

00:14:38So staunch, so devoted, he would never approach the other supporters of Manolete, never

00:14:45He was never seen having coffee with anyone, he was never seen at the hotel, he was never seen

00:14:49in the area surrounding the square. And yes, perhaps the most reliable testimony is that of Luis.

00:14:57Miguel Dominguín, in some writings that he left behind and that he published, I believe, to Antonio

00:15:01Dolano, recalling that afternoon in Linares, when he saw a man in the stands,

00:15:08A man described him as wearing a white, buttonless shirt and a gray suit.

00:15:12And a hat, which, well, was shouting in an unusual way, insulting

00:15:16Manolete, attacking him very fiercely, with great feat. And, well, curiously,

00:15:23Luis Miguel then spoke about that man to several of his friends who were sitting down

00:15:28next to him. Nobody remembered him. He was the only one who remembered that man who was

00:15:33attacking Manolete with such a great feat that day. And, well, when Manolete was already there

00:15:37In the infirmary, dying or I don't know if he's already dead, Luis Miguel saw that man enter.

00:15:41man who fell to his knees beside the bed, crying, Manolete, monster, that the

00:15:47You've left. Of course, Manolete, sorry, Luis Miguel Dominguín, because he was absolutely astonished.

00:15:53Seeing that scene, that man who had been reprimanding the bullfighter in that way,

00:15:57After seeing him fall at her feet like that. And he said, I've always thought it was about

00:16:02of a human incarnation of death, because he was a man no one knew, no one

00:16:07has never been able to identify. And, in fact, the same ones who were sitting next to

00:16:10He was in the stands, and his close friends in the audience didn't remember seeing him. And it was

00:16:14A man who spent the entire afternoon gesticulating wildly, shouting, and throwing things. In other words,

00:16:18It was impossible for someone sitting next to him not to remember him. Luis Miguel

00:16:22He was the only one who saw it. There are even objects, too, Joaquín, there are objects, rapiers,

00:16:27elements, which have also been adorned over time with things that are out of the ordinary.

00:16:32My grandfather, when he was starting out, was still a supporter of Becerro, because one of his followers, one of the men

00:16:36Having seen her bullfighting in the countryside, he gave her a set of swords.

00:16:39Your grandfather, Joaquín el Bacín, a bullfighter. Rafael, Rafael el Bacín, a bullfighter.

00:16:42Well, my grandfather couldn't kill the young bull because he cut his hand on one of the

00:16:47rapiers that had been given to him. It wasn't the first time he'd had bad luck with

00:16:51This thing about sharp objects, because, in fact, he already had to abandon his vocation

00:16:56authentic and first, that she was a pianist, due to an accident in which, because of a cut

00:16:59One of his tendons in his hand became slightly stiff. And, well, following this

00:17:04The festival, a year later, took place in Valencia, in Ovillero, and, bullfighting naturally,

00:17:09He held the rapier to his hip with his right hand and pricked himself in the ankle, a second wound

00:17:14with the rapier.

00:17:14The same rapier?

00:17:15The same sword. With that same sword, we spoke several years later, when

00:17:19He was already a bullfighter, I think it was in San Sebastián, at the press bullfight.

00:17:23In 1948, he was bullfighting with Antonio Bienvenida and Vito. Well, he killed one of his bulls.

00:17:28And the bull, then, in those final throes as it struggled against death, made a movement

00:17:34Very abruptly, the sword flew out and pierced the chest of a banderillero, Minuto, who

00:17:39He survived, thankfully, but, well, it's still another tragedy. My grandfather told him

00:17:46to his sword handler, who was Jaime Quiroz, who had already gone with José Lito, at one time,

00:17:50He told him, "Look, Jaime, don't give me this sword again, don't give it to me again."

00:17:54Well, while bullfighting at a festival in Tudela, it was already the year 1950, he went in to kill with another sword,

00:18:00The sword struck bone, and fell to the ground. Well, he approached Barreras, the sword handler,

00:18:05Jaime gave him another thrust, he didn't realize it, and gave him the aforementioned thrust, and with such

00:18:11Bad luck, because this is really unlikely to happen, but, well, the point is

00:18:14What happened? When my grandfather was crossing paths with the bull, the bull stepped on the other one.

00:18:18The rapier, which was lying on the ground, rose slightly and severed his Achilles tendon.

00:18:23My grandfather. It's a one in 100,000 chance, but that's what happened. And it can be said, at least.

00:18:29He maintained that this sword thrust was what ultimately forced him to retire from bullfighting, because

00:18:33He kept having problems with him, and in the end, he was the one who got him out of the bullring.

00:18:39Yes, afterwards he recovered and fought in some festivals, but he never fought bulls again.

00:18:43Joaquín Olbaicín, colleague, it has been a real pleasure to reminisce with you about some

00:18:46scenes that are not usually told, but are part of a mysterious ancient world

00:18:51and which is currently in vogue at this time of year.

00:18:55Thanks a lot.

00:18:55The pleasure has been all mine, and I also thank you for the opportunity to talk about

00:18:58bulls with this seriousness in times when in certain grills, in certain

00:19:02chains, because we fans sometimes feel embarrassed for others by the things we hear

00:19:08Because of the ignorance and the audacity with which one speaks. Then I thank you, no.

00:19:12Just for the invitation and to share a table with you, I'll be here whenever you want.

00:19:17not only for your wishes, but also for the seriousness, dignity, and professionalism with which you have

00:19:21the topic has been discussed.

00:19:22Joaquín, a pleasure, maestro.

00:19:23The pleasure has been all mine.

00:19:24A pleasure.

00:19:25We have seen black and white images, old images, images of mystery,

00:19:28Some of the bullfighters who are already practically members of that immortal museum of some

00:19:34Men who faced the bull sometimes triumphed, sometimes lost their lives in

00:19:39the bullring. Now let's look at some very different photos. They are those enigmatic photos that

00:19:42We are sent this by viewers of Cuarto Milenio.

00:20:02The logical thing, and what's happening right now, is that you're seeing with your

00:20:06Our own eyes, Fourth Millennium. But sometimes that process mysteriously reverses and it is

00:20:12The television screen seems to be looking at us. Right, Carmen? Good night.

00:20:16At least that's what happened in this photograph. José Luis Marín sent it to us looking a little scared.

00:20:20because it was indeed in that gaze that he recognized a recent relative of his.

00:20:24deceased. This photograph was taken in 1990, and exactly one year earlier, an uncle who was a priest had died.

00:20:33deceased, and he identifies that it might be that look. We would need a photograph of that

00:20:38familiar so that physical features can also be compared. But in this case, the image would have

00:20:44One explanation is that the television appears to be on because when you brighten the image...

00:20:49This makes the existence of a scan line on the screen evident. What is unclear and what

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00:20:54What we can explain is that they identified a family member there. Curious, to say the least. And it really has been

00:21:00The response from our friends, specifically from Córdoba, was gratifying, explaining to us that the ancient UFO that

00:21:06It was flying over a street we couldn't identify; it originated there in the city of the mosque. It has been

00:21:11It's been amazing. We've received so many messages and letters, but there's one that has really touched us.

00:21:18Iker has given us a lot of information and even sent us photographs where we can see step by step what the UFO is.

00:21:24She appears in that old photograph, and what street is it? Indeed, the street is still called that.

00:21:31It belongs to the city of Córdoba and the street is an artery that leads to the central square of

00:21:37Tendillas. The building where we saw a sign in the background that clearly read

00:21:42Pérez and Fernández, bicycle repair shop, that one's gone. But it's true that the church

00:21:49It's still there, and the UFO is nothing more and nothing less than a lantern for the light.

00:21:54that

00:21:55It was placed between two cables. There it is. A curious shot and a curious image we're seeing in these

00:22:00moments. Well, speaking of light and shadow, I invite you to a different kind of museum in the shadow of the

00:22:06most popular. A museum that is not usually open to the public. It is primarily for specialists.

00:22:11Researchers, police officers. They have opened their doors and we are truly grateful for them showing us.

00:22:16Amazing things. Some are truly terrifying. The Police Museum in a few minutes here on Cuarto Milenio.

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00:23:02The Prado Museum, the Guggenheim, the Picasso Museum; in our country, we are truly privileged.

00:23:08We have a large number of places where you can enjoy art, culture, and the most sublime aspects of humanity.

00:23:14However, there are other very different museums, where the opposite is reflected.

00:23:18The shadowy force that makes, for example, the criminal act, documents, images, composite sketches, surprising gadgets.

00:23:26I invite you on a completely different journey, to a place that is not very well known to the general public, the

00:23:31Ávila Police Museum.

00:23:33I'm sure you won't be able to forget this guide, this unique journey; sometimes, I warn you, it's breathtaking.

00:23:40Welcome to a different kind of museum, a place that holds hundreds of fascinating stories and anecdotes.

00:23:46of the fight against crime.

00:23:49The aim of the Police Museum, located in Ávila, is to learn in order to always be one step ahead.

00:23:55in front of the criminal.

00:24:03They say firearms are loaded by the devil.

00:24:06Many of them have been protagonists of savage wars and bloody crimes.

00:24:11Here we have a 16th-century Japanese musket, which is a unique specimen.

00:24:15Here we have several pistols, pairs of dueling pistols.

00:24:20Some of them are custom-made and therefore unique.

00:24:24We have a pair of pistols signed by Zuloaga, who was the master gunsmith of King Charles III,

00:24:29and a wide collection of pistols that have been placed according to the evolution of the firing mechanism.

00:24:36In some rooms we have the feeling of having taken a leap into the past.

00:24:41Logically, the police have evolved in tandem with our young democracy.

00:24:45We are looking at a set of office furniture that belonged to General Mola.

00:24:50And here begins a collection of uniforms.

00:24:52The first of these is the gray uniform, which emerged in 1941.

00:24:56It was a uniform that had connotations related to the time of the dictatorship.

00:25:00In 1978 the brown uniform we have here emerged, which was the uniform of the transition.

00:25:07And currently, since 1986 the blue uniform has emerged, the one I'm wearing right now,

00:25:13which is the most socially accepted and the most elegant.

00:25:16There was a time when people had to be resourceful to get their hands on some pesetas,

00:25:20often to get food in a Spain plagued by hunger.

00:25:24But others, just to treat themselves.

00:25:29We are here in Bertillon's room.

00:25:31Bertillon was the father of modern forensic science.

00:25:34Spanish roguery is very well represented in this room.

00:25:37Among other things, there are numerous scams and also counterfeit banknotes.

00:25:42Among the counterfeit banknotes we have this example, which was hand-drawn in the 1940s.

00:25:47The person who did it bought a straw hat, which cost him seven pesetas.

00:25:52and with the rest he went partying with some friends.

00:25:54We have this curious device, which was used to steal light bulbs from the public lighting in Madrid.

00:26:01It was a time when a light bulb could cost seven pesetas,

00:26:05and the workers' wages were five or six pesetas.

00:26:10Before digital cameras and computers existed,

00:26:13Criminals were registered using devices that were genuine works of art,

00:26:17and with a lot of imagination.

00:26:19One of the goals of the police has always been the identification of people suspected of crimes.

00:26:25Therefore, various objects and instruments have been developed in photographic themes.

00:26:29like this one, which is a team that takes photographs of detainees.

00:26:32The photo was taken from the front, with the person placed on this chair,

00:26:37and then, without moving the person mentioned from their place, turning this lever.

00:26:41The profile picture was taken, maintaining the same standard.

00:26:46In the next room, objects of undeniable historical value coexist with the museum's mascot.

00:26:52a true champion in the fight against drug trafficking.

00:26:55So here we have Jasso, he was a dog trained to search for drugs,

00:26:58who died of natural causes after working for eight years,

00:27:01and we decided to keep it here permanently in the museum.

00:27:04These are machines for packaging drugs, ecstasy and hashish.

00:27:07And here we approach the reproduction of a guard inspection from the 1950s.

00:27:14The characteristics of this environment are like an oyster bullet.

00:27:17that separated the citizen from the police officer,

00:27:19and a state, a stage, where there was always a position of superiority of the official with respect to the citizen.

00:27:26Increasingly advanced security measures do not deter thieves.

00:27:30who devises new methods to take every last penny.

00:27:34The "butrón" consists of making a series of holes to penetrate through them.

00:27:37in the vaults of banks.

00:27:39As you can see, this is a great drill/hole punch.

00:27:42Today they use even more drastic means, such as excavators.

00:27:46But, however skilled the thief may be, he will never be able to steal what this chest contains.

00:27:52The intense love of a man who knew he was going to die.

00:27:56We have in our hand one of the most unique objects in the museum.

00:27:59He portrays a 24-year-old militiaman, condemned to death in 1938,

00:28:04He faces death with great resignation, and says goodbye to his girlfriend.

00:28:09creating this chest with allegories to love and with impressive cards of tremendously emotional content.

00:28:15And we pause here to delve into brief moments

00:28:19in the creepiest place in the police museum.

00:28:22The room dedicated to the most horrendous crimes.

00:28:28We stopped right in front of the most macabre, most sinister, strangest, darkest area,

00:28:33the crime room.

00:28:35We have spent many years fighting this scourge, and sometimes learning from it in order to investigate better.

00:28:40Paco Pérez Caballero did this report, really, Paco, good night.

00:28:44Good night.

00:28:45Amazing gadgets, some of them, and all used in real crimes or criminal operations.

00:28:50That's the main thing about the Police Museum, that we can see things that have actually been used in crimes.

00:28:55in robberies, some really curious, like that 100 peseta banknote we saw that was authentically handmade.

00:29:00If it's alright with you, Iker, I'd like to thank the chief inspector of the National Police,

00:29:04Carlos Canelo, who treated us wonderfully and explained all the details of that museum,

00:29:09who has a collection of impressive stories.

00:29:11However, I must say, my friend, that you have brought me some documents that I haven't seen in a long time.

00:29:15It's not that they were chasing me, but that I imagined them.

00:29:17Yes. There are some crimes that marked an era, crimes that defined a period, some horrifying.

00:29:22For example, the one about the so-called exorcist of Cordoba.

00:29:26We are about to see graphic images, and we must warn you that these are materials that may be disturbing to some viewers.

00:29:32our viewers,

00:29:33Before we move on to this second room of the museum. It has to be said, Paco.

00:29:35Yes, it must be said that these are powerful images, but they are images that are part of life.

00:29:39and that we have to learn from them so that they don't happen again and so that we can fight them.

00:29:43Let's delve into that always hidden part of history.

00:29:46What drives a human being to commit murder?

00:29:50The Police Museum in Ávila depicts some of the most terrifying events in our history

00:29:56criminal.

00:30:00On April 11, 1924, during the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera,

00:30:05A gang of five robbers assaulted the Andalusia Express in Alcázar de San Juan.

00:30:10Their goal was to steal the mail, valued at more than one million pesetas at the time.

00:30:16To achieve their goal, they did not hesitate to murder the two postal officers who were guarding her.

00:30:22It is a meeting of a group of criminals, including a former postal worker,

00:30:27a son of a high-ranking military officer of the time, who knew the structure and how it was manipulated and

00:30:33how the journeys were made.

00:30:35They board the train, where there are two postal officers, requesting, based on this person's knowledge that there had

00:30:42been employed,

00:30:43Three of them get on the train.

00:30:45The three of them, together, kill the two postal workers and take a large part of the loot.

00:30:51that there, as loot, a large part of the money that was being transported.

00:30:54They are sentenced, then later, subsequently, to a lesser sentence.

00:30:59Another one of them is the one who prepares the narcotics to drug the postal officers.

00:31:06And they are arrested.

00:31:07Later, all three of them, since one of those who gets on the train, commits suicide.

00:31:12The three are condemned to death by garrote and are executed.

00:31:16This man with virile features and a hard gaze is Jarabo, the first heartless psychopath to act in our country.

00:31:23On July 19, 1958, in Madrid, he ended the lives of four people using this pistol.

00:31:31an FN 7.65 millimeter knife and this kitchen knife.

00:31:36He coldly planned the crime and took exquisite care not to leave any traces.

00:31:40Furthermore, he altered the crime scene to mislead the police.

00:31:45This individual commits, out of a histrionic love, in the search for the recovery of a jewel and a letter of

00:31:52property,

00:31:54kills a married couple, one of whom is a partner in a pawnshop,

00:31:59to his wife and the maid, who is the one who opens the door for him.

00:32:03Later, after a day in between, with complete coldness,

00:32:07He returns to the pawnshop on Monday and murders the other partner.

00:32:15and take all the bloodstained clothes to a dry cleaner,

00:32:19detail by which he is located by the police and accused of committing those crimes.

00:32:27He is being tried for those four deaths,

00:32:30The wife of the first partner was four months pregnant,

00:32:34and is condemned to death by garrote.

00:32:38On January 9, 1984,

00:32:41María Teresa Mestre was brutally murdered in Tarragona.

00:32:46His killer, Ángel Mayallo, 22,

00:32:49He hit her with this pipe wrench and dismembered her with this saw.

00:32:53He then sent a letter to his family demanding a ransom of 25 million pesetas.

00:32:59She goes with a close friend of her children to an apartment she knew perfectly well,

00:33:05because in the same building he also had a rented apartment where he spent his summer holidays.

00:33:09In this apartment they have a series of discussions,

00:33:13who disagree with some of the things this guy, this Mayallo, is proposing,

00:33:17and who happens to be the close friend of his children,

00:33:21And he hits it, he hits it with one of those wrenches for removing bolts, for taking the wheel off,

00:33:26He hits her and kills her.

00:33:28Then he dismembers her.

00:33:30He confesses to a crime when asked why.

00:33:33He always denied it, and it was never known why there were two of them.

00:33:37It was thought at one point that there might have been some sexual problem between them,

00:33:42But it was never known, he never said it, and he always argued that he was ashamed to say it.

00:33:48But perhaps the most shocking crime in this gallery is the one committed by Álvaro Rafael Bustos,

00:33:5433 years old, in Córdoba, on January 4, 1987.

00:33:59He believed his father was possessed by the devil.

00:34:02To free him, he drove a wooden stake through his heart.

00:34:06We are here looking at a series of objects that represent a crime in which a son killed his father

00:34:11in the middle of a satanic ritual.

00:34:14Taking advantage of the fact that the father was asleep, he drove a stake into the fourth intercostal space.

00:34:18and then he cut his Achilles tendons with this silver knife

00:34:24so that it would not haunt him in the afterlife, as the satanic ritual indicates.

00:34:28He was an individual who frequently read books on spiritualism.

00:34:32He flooded the room with handfuls of salt,

00:34:35and was even preparing another stake to kill another member of his family

00:34:39who also understood that he was possessed by the devil.

00:34:42Robberies with homicide, dismemberments, cruel murders, satanic crimes.

00:34:50Knowing about these macabre events can help us prevent them from happening again in the future.

00:34:55and to be alert so as not to become the next victim.

00:35:06In some rooms of this museum that we have visited

00:35:09Items and objects are preserved that, as we said, marked an era.

00:35:13The satanic crime in Cordoba and here the dagger Paco is overwhelming, I imagine, to confront and touch it.

00:35:19It's that having these things in your hands, even if you're not much of a festival-goer,

00:35:24It's impressive, very impressive, especially in this case.

00:35:25This case that shocked Córdoba and that even when we remember it, Iker

00:35:28They give us goosebumps.

00:35:30The case of Álvaro Rafael Bustos marked a turning point, we say,

00:35:32because we hadn't seen anything like it in Spain.

00:35:35Books on spiritualism, handfuls of salt

00:35:37and nail your own father while he sleeps

00:35:39as if he were a vampire hunter, a stake.

00:35:44Interestingly, this story goes back quite a while.

00:35:46It is perhaps the story of a broken doll.

00:35:48A popular hit was the song Carmen by the group Trébol

00:35:52and Bustos was part of that group that later had no more success.

00:35:55That left a mark on him.

00:35:56That song that went Carmen, Carmen, Carmen, I love you and you know it,

00:36:00which I'm sure viewers will remember and be discussing.

00:36:02A tremendous success in 1972.

00:36:04A great success, but it was the only success of this group from Trébol.

00:36:07And according to the psychiatrist who treated him after he committed this terrible crime,

00:36:11Carlos Castilla del Pino, a prestigious psychiatrist,

00:36:13because it couldn't withstand that ephemeral presence in the top numbers of the charts

00:36:19and that number of fans who followed him

00:36:21And from one day to the next, they stopped chasing him and forgot about him.

00:36:25He was unemployed when he committed the crime.

00:36:27He lived in a two-story house with his father, Manuel Bustos,

00:36:30a retired professor of music, highly respected in Córdoba,

00:36:34a very well-known and beloved person.

00:36:35She lived on two floors, because after a few hours of the night,

00:36:40He had fully planned what he was going to do,

00:36:43who had prepared the handfuls of salt,

00:36:44that he had read the ritual he had to perform to exorcise the demon from his father.

00:36:47Also, original books, antique books from the 19th century,

00:36:50authentic gems of spiritualism that he already used.

00:36:52He climbs down with a stake he had made from a curtain rod,

00:36:57sharpening it for days, to talk to his father

00:36:59And as he himself stated, so that they could have a trial together.

00:37:02of the 70 years of life that Manuel Bustos had lived.

00:37:05He considered his father a danger to humanity,

00:37:08He believed he was Satan and that he could destroy humanity

00:37:10And he believed he was actually doing a service,

00:37:13So she goes downstairs, wakes him up, after a heated argument,

00:37:15He drives the stake through his heart and kills him.

00:37:18But the ritual doesn't end there.

00:37:21Take the knife, that impressive knife we saw,

00:37:24a silver knife, cuts his heels, his Achilles tendons,

00:37:27so that it cannot haunt him after life, once he is dead.

00:37:31To ensure that he cannot be reincarnated,

00:37:33He turns the mirrors around so she can't go to the other side.

00:37:36and to gain strength, to become stronger.

00:37:37There is a convention that his father was a demon.

00:37:39Absolutely, 100%.

00:37:40He thought he was really doing good,

00:37:42that he was putting an end to evil personified.

00:37:45He covers it with salt, because he says that salt is for a demon.

00:37:49like an acid for a person.

00:37:51And after that, he wraps him in a blanket,

00:37:53He takes it to the victim's car

00:37:55and drives around Córdoba for 24 hours

00:37:57to make sure that he has really defeated the devil.

00:38:01It must be said, Iker, that in the trial

00:38:03He was not declared not criminally responsible.

00:38:05In other words, it was thought that this person was suffering from psychosis.

00:38:07who was really obsessed with the themes of God and the devil,

00:38:11and that he was not responsible for his actions when he murdered his father.

00:38:14Therefore, he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital.

00:38:16where he received treatment for that severe illness.

00:38:19He has not been in jail for this brutal crime.

00:38:23Paco, great job. Thank you very much, mate.

00:38:25Thank you very much, Iker.

00:38:26Now we move on to another world, I think a kinder one, obviously.

00:38:29It also has to do with the mind.

00:38:30Álvaro Rafael Bustos heard voices,

00:38:32He thought he was facing the devil,

00:38:34His life was completely troubled.

00:38:35The brain remains a completely unknown vessel.

00:38:38Things happen in here that even we can't control.

00:38:42Not even science can know.

00:38:43what percentage of our own brain do we control?

00:38:46But we know that sometimes he does exceptional things.

00:38:49I'm sure you remember these images

00:38:50because they also marked a time.

00:38:52Thirty years ago, one autumn night, in 1975,

00:38:57and some 18 million viewers watching a prodigy.

00:39:01A young Israeli man with a shock of curly hair,

00:39:04with a thin face and hypnotic eyes.

00:39:06It was Uri Geller.

00:39:07The feeling, the profound shock that night caused,

00:39:11It cannot be compared to anything.

00:39:12These are images that, they say, are the most representative.

00:39:15of the entire history of television in Spain.

00:39:17Something happened that night.

00:39:18And some people say there was a trick involved.

00:39:20Others said no, that that man could bend metals.

00:39:23Let's meet Uri Geller.

00:39:24We're going to find out if there was a trick or not.

00:39:26We will also learn

00:39:27What lies hidden in the occult powers of the mind?

00:39:30In a few minutes, on Cuarto Milenio.

00:39:44Fourth Millennium.

00:40:06The equation isn't exactly exact, but it sometimes happens.

00:40:08In places where there have been Iberian funerary sculptures,

00:40:14Then strange phenomena occurred.

00:40:16The beast of Balazote or the lady of Baza

00:40:19They became protagonists after a series of disturbing events

00:40:23as many neighbors said, for example,

00:40:24that prodigious phenomena occurred.

00:40:27It seems that the connection between this type of art

00:40:29And the enigmatic has always been there.

00:40:32We no longer know how to read those codes,

00:40:34We can only understand those strange stone faces

00:40:36It seems they want to reveal their secret

00:40:38so many centuries ago.

00:40:40Now, the most famous of these figures is making headlines.

00:41:06Obviously, like all television viewers

00:41:07They will have guessed the first one,

00:41:09We are referring to the great lady of Elche, Carmen.

00:41:11Yes, and the people of Elche have reason to celebrate.

00:41:14because their Lady of Elche has returned

00:41:16to the place where it was found in 1897.

00:41:19The ancient effigy was housed in the National Archaeological Museum of Madrid

00:41:22since 1971 and will return there after six months.

00:41:27109 years ago, a young farmer discovered in Alcudia

00:41:31This unique piece, which, according to experts,

00:41:33It belongs to the 5th century BC.

00:41:35The Moorish Lady, as she was originally called,

00:41:37It was sold to the Louvre Museum for 4,000 francs

00:41:40where he remained until 1941.

00:41:43That year I would return to our country

00:41:45where it was exhibited at the Prado Museum

00:41:46until it was moved to the Archaeological Museum in 1971.

00:41:50About this mysterious taste

00:41:51Dozens of theories have been put forward

00:41:53which range from actually

00:41:55She was a lady belonging to royalty.

00:41:57until he was a warrior.

00:41:59And I'll add more, books by scholars like Moffitt

00:42:01who said it was a fraud.

00:42:02Of course, we don't believe him.

00:42:04It is one of the great pieces of our ancient history.

00:42:07And now let's move on to something else that's already history.

00:42:09The death of a crew member of a mythical ship.

00:42:12The truth is, yes.

00:42:13The last surviving American woman has died.

00:42:16of that tragedy, the Titanic.

00:42:18It was Lillian Hertrud Asplund,

00:42:21a 99-year-old woman who died in her home in Shesbury.

00:42:24I was five years old when the Titanic sank

00:42:26in the North Atlantic

00:42:27after crashing into Universe on April 15, 1912.

00:42:31His father and three brothers died in the disaster.

00:42:34along with about 1,500 other people.

00:42:37Thousands of messages have arrived since his death

00:42:38from all over the world

00:42:40who have been placed next to her in her final resting place.

00:42:43Only two other people remain

00:42:44who survived the Titanic tragedy.

00:42:47And by the way, it's the middle of World Book Day!

00:42:50book fairs throughout Spain.

00:42:52It's time to read.

00:42:53And we have to surprise them.

00:42:55and also full of love.

00:42:57Something dedicated to our little twin sister

00:42:59Ship of Mystery, Carmen.

00:43:01Of course.

00:43:01This whole team is in luck.

00:43:04We have a new member.

00:43:05This is Millennium 3, the book.

00:43:08The truth is that he was a much-wanted child.

00:43:10our four years at the SER network

00:43:13with the parallel program to Cuarto Milenio, Milenio 3.

00:43:17Iker, we'll be with all the friends who want to be there.

00:43:19in a meeting that is for friends from all over Spain

00:43:22They have to go to it, the Madrid Book Fair.

00:43:25We'll be there signing this and any other works

00:43:28that all members of this team have written.

00:43:32We will be there on the first day, Saturday the 27th.

00:43:35the following Sunday, the 4th, and finally, the 10th.

00:43:38Always in the afternoon.

00:43:40Black cover, the moon as our emblem

00:43:42And of course, those stories that kept us up at night.

00:43:45Apparitions, bedroom visitors,

00:43:47Cathedrals and mysteries of history

00:43:48and so many events that we have experienced.

00:43:51Nearing 500 programs.

00:43:53This is certainly a new opportunity to tell them

00:43:54Thank you for your trust.

00:43:57Millennium 3 is now also a paper story.

00:44:00And now we're going to talk about those powers too.

00:44:01which we have sometimes told, both here and on the radio.

00:44:03Powers of the mind.

00:44:04Do they exist or are they just a fable?

00:44:06Are there people capable of predicting the future?

00:44:08For example, finding water, finding oil,

00:44:11to move objects, telekinesis.

00:44:13Are the tests accurate, they say at the lab?

00:44:15Are there some gifted individuals who are capable of bending metals?

00:44:18Do you remember Uri Geller?

00:44:19Let's go in search of this new adventure.

00:44:21Hidden powers of the mind.

00:44:28From the beginning of time,

00:44:31Human beings have been attributed with powers

00:44:33that science cannot yet explain.

00:44:35Halfway between exaggeration,

00:44:38fantasy and stark reality,

00:44:40Our brain seems to still possess dormant faculties

00:44:43that we have never been taught to use.

00:44:54Throughout history there have been characters

00:44:56that fascinated the rest of their peers

00:44:59because of his amazing mental faculties.

00:45:02Among them, we could highlight the Russian Nina Kulayina,

00:45:06which he was capable of, according to the scientists

00:45:08who examined her dozens of times under strict control,

00:45:11to move small objects with the mind

00:45:13simply by passing their hands at a certain distance from them.

00:45:17Fraud, prodigious illusionism

00:45:19or the true sixth sense.

00:45:26Parapsychologists are convinced

00:45:28that the hidden powers of the mind

00:45:30They also work on seemingly normal people.

00:45:34In the late 1970s

00:45:36These popular predictions turned out to be so accurate

00:45:39that public telephones were installed

00:45:41for recording this type of feeling.

00:45:44Interestingly, the night before tragedies

00:45:47like the Challenger shuttle disaster in 1986

00:45:50or the brutal impact against the Twin Towers

00:45:53on the fateful morning of September 11, 2001

00:45:57They broke all records.

00:46:00Hundreds of people had seen the image clearly.

00:46:03within their own dreams.

00:46:07Obviously, neither did the intelligence services.

00:46:10and governments have left out

00:46:12these almost supernatural phenomena

00:46:14and they have dedicated a lot of time and money

00:46:16in parapsychological research.

00:46:19Scan-8, Grillfain, Center Lane, Stargate

00:46:23Many names for a single purpose

00:46:26to use those hidden powers of the mind

00:46:28in various high-risk missions.

00:46:31Although in 1995 the CIA officially ended

00:46:35parapsychological research

00:46:37Some journalists claim that the United States

00:46:40used people with special perceptions

00:46:43to try to locate the mobile shuttles

00:46:45that the Iraqis used in the Gulf War

00:46:48or to locate later

00:46:50Bin Laden's whereabouts.

00:46:52It is clear that in this last question

00:46:55They have not had the expected success.

00:47:01In the 21st century, the debate remains open.

00:47:05Some claim that we only use

00:47:0710% of our mental capacity

00:47:09And some claim that this

00:47:10It is just a mere popular legend without any basis.

00:47:18Illusionism, reality, fraud...

00:47:19The images are certainly shocking, very much so.

00:47:21people who seem to be capable

00:47:23to move objects with the sole power of his mind.

00:47:25By the way, remind me to explain later.

00:47:28What exactly is this contraption?

00:47:30I have already warned you that it is historic

00:47:31who was present on a historic night.

00:47:34They say it's the most famous in history

00:47:35of television in Spain.

00:47:37We're talking about hidden powers

00:47:38of mysterious energies that originate from our brain

00:47:41and it seems they can modify the elements.

00:47:43Myth or authentic real existence of these powers.

00:47:46For Enrique de Vicente there is no doubt

00:47:48He has published the hidden powers of the mind.

00:47:51All mystery lovers know him

00:47:53because he has a long career disseminating these topics

00:47:56always controversial but always exciting.

00:47:58Director of the magazine Año Cero, writer, journalist.

00:48:00Enrique, welcome. Good evening.

00:48:03Delighted to be on your show, Iker.

00:48:04I'm delighted to have you here. You know that very well.

00:48:06The question is very simple because we have a lot to discuss.

00:48:09Do hidden powers of the mind exist?

00:48:11I have no doubt.

00:48:12Otherwise, I wouldn't have written a book with that title.

00:48:15Let's see.

00:48:16Our mind, our psyche

00:48:18It is truly an unknown universe.

00:48:21We know very little.

00:48:23We're making progress little by little.

00:48:24and it has a whole range of enormous capabilities.

00:48:29Among others, the abilities studied by parapsychology

00:48:32as phenomena, yes.

00:48:34In two ranges.

00:48:35The y-gamma phenomena,

00:48:37that is, extrasensory perception

00:48:40such as telepathy, clairvoyance

00:48:41or precognition or retrocognition,

00:48:44That is, to know future or past events.

00:48:46And on the other hand, the phenomena of yes-gapa

00:48:49or psychokinesis.

00:48:50Which range from bending metals,

00:48:53levitate,

00:48:54or influence computers

00:48:56or in electrical appliances.

00:48:59Or even something much more sophisticated,

00:49:02influence on small devices

00:49:03that are distributed all over the world

00:49:05in something called

00:49:06global awareness project

00:49:08and in which it is intended to measure how

00:49:11the collective consciousness of the people

00:49:13detects events.

00:49:15Events like March 11

00:49:17in Madrid,

00:49:18September 11th,

00:49:19the tsunami,

00:49:21that has been seen

00:49:22that those devices

00:49:24reacted

00:49:24at the time they occurred

00:49:25such tragedies.

00:49:26So, for you, Enrique,

00:49:27no doubt.

00:49:28We have another exceptional guest,

00:49:30He is Ramos Pereira,

00:49:31President of the Spanish Society

00:49:32of Parapsychology,

00:49:33but also president

00:49:34from the Club's Culture Committee,

00:49:36most prestigious 21st century,

00:49:37writer journalist.

00:49:38And it's very curious because it was the first person

00:49:41who faced,

00:49:42at least in literary terms,

00:49:43to Uri Geller.

00:49:44Let's talk about Uri Geller

00:49:45because he is undoubtedly the character,

00:49:47the supposedly gifted

00:49:49of hidden powers of the mind

00:49:50most famous of all time.

00:49:52And Ramos has brought us,

00:49:53among many other things,

00:49:55this object.

00:49:55Ramos,

00:49:56welcome,

00:49:56a pleasure.

00:49:57Me too.

00:49:58Hidden powers of the mind.

00:49:59Let's begin the debate.

00:50:00Do they exist for you?

00:50:02Yeah,

00:50:02Well,

00:50:03I think that

00:50:05there is a percentage

00:50:06very high

00:50:07of faculties

00:50:08of the human being

00:50:09that have not yet been explored

00:50:11through science

00:50:11and therefore

00:50:13They are currently hidden.

00:50:14In that sense,

00:50:15No?

00:50:15But I believe that someday

00:50:16That's going to come out

00:50:17and they're going to be

00:50:18in textbooks.

00:50:20That is to say,

00:50:20I believe that human beings

00:50:21It has enormous potential

00:50:23yet to be discovered

00:50:25And one day it will be discovered.

00:50:27Many will wonder

00:50:28what is this?

00:50:29And what is that you have there, Ramos?

00:50:31We are speaking without a doubt

00:50:32by Uri Geller.

00:50:33Before we begin, let's introduce

00:50:34to the character

00:50:34because I believe that

00:50:35many people

00:50:36very young

00:50:37they don't know

00:50:37what happened

00:50:38that night

00:50:38of 1975

00:50:39if you want

00:50:40then we remember.

00:50:41The shock was incredible,

00:50:43unimaginable.

00:50:4420 million people,

00:50:4518 million

00:50:45They've done the calculations.

00:50:47Of course

00:50:47It would be impossible now.

00:50:48having so many people

00:50:49behind the receiver

00:50:49and a young Israeli

00:50:51that is capable

00:50:51of bending metals.

00:50:53But the most disturbing thing

00:50:54as Íñigo said

00:50:55It's that many people

00:50:56in their homes

00:50:57He did the experiment.

00:50:58Let's get to know

00:50:59to that phenomenon

00:51:00fraud or not

00:51:01called Uri Geller.

00:51:04It happened 30 years ago.

00:51:06A cold night

00:51:07October

00:51:08of 1975

00:51:0918 million

00:51:11of television viewers

00:51:12they stayed

00:51:12hypnotized

00:51:13in the presence

00:51:14stellar

00:51:14of that young Israeli

00:51:16who attended

00:51:17as a guest

00:51:17to the popular

00:51:18television program

00:51:19very direct

00:51:19presented by

00:51:21José María Íñigo.

00:51:25definitely

00:51:26It's one of the moments

00:51:27summit of history

00:51:28from our television.

00:51:29The metal

00:51:30is being

00:51:30side.

00:51:31The metal melts

00:51:34and touch

00:51:34There is no heat.

00:51:35That individual

00:51:37bent spoons

00:51:38as if they were

00:51:39butter

00:51:40using

00:51:41supposedly

00:51:41his powers

00:51:42mental.

00:51:46Also

00:51:47they began

00:51:48to walk

00:51:48stopped clocks.

00:51:50Uri invited

00:51:50that the viewers

00:51:51do the same

00:51:52following his instructions

00:51:54and the impact

00:51:55It was brutal.

00:51:56All the press

00:51:57the radio

00:51:58bookstores

00:51:59they were filled

00:52:00of the mysterious

00:52:01Uri effect.

00:52:02In favor

00:52:03and against

00:52:03the gale

00:52:04It was something unknown

00:52:05for a Spain

00:52:06that was heading

00:52:07the last few days

00:52:08of the dictatorship.

00:52:10Over time

00:52:11the debate

00:52:12among believers

00:52:13and skeptics

00:52:13of the powers

00:52:14from the Israeli

00:52:14It declined.

00:52:16Meanwhile

00:52:17he

00:52:17with the face

00:52:19forever youthful

00:52:19despite the years

00:52:21was hired

00:52:22for important

00:52:23oil companies

00:52:24to find

00:52:25hidden deposits

00:52:26thanks to the powers

00:52:28of his mind

00:52:29already converted

00:52:30in the sensitive

00:52:30most popular

00:52:31and media

00:52:32of all time.

00:52:34The metal melts

00:52:42Well then

00:52:43that magical night

00:52:44this object

00:52:45that has come out

00:52:45for the first time

00:52:46from the laboratory

00:52:47by Ramos Pereira

00:52:47was there

00:52:48Ramos

00:52:49but Uri

00:52:50It failed to move

00:52:50this material

00:52:51but instead

00:52:52I said yes

00:52:53and also

00:52:54Íñigo

00:52:55He stated it

00:52:56and said

00:52:56it moves

00:52:57They are bending

00:52:58the sheets

00:52:59and not

00:53:00No

00:53:00There they are

00:53:01They are sealed

00:53:02just like the first day

00:53:03with the seal

00:53:04that guarantees

00:53:05that has not been touched

00:53:06the seal

00:53:08and they are exactly the same

00:53:09and they haven't moved

00:53:10not even a millennium

00:53:11Ramos Pereira

00:53:12And I have to say it

00:53:13because we're going quickly

00:53:14to advertising

00:53:14He has there

00:53:15a series of spoons

00:53:16of elements

00:53:17of tubes

00:53:18on the way back

00:53:18What are we going to do?

00:53:19in fourth millennium

00:53:20Well, I think

00:53:20that has arrived

00:53:21the moment

00:53:22to be able to show him

00:53:23to the

00:53:24television viewers

00:53:25how to do it

00:53:27the trick

00:53:28even

00:53:28if you'll allow me

00:53:30we can teach them

00:53:32also

00:53:32how to do it

00:53:33that is to say

00:53:33that not only

00:53:34I'll do the trick for them

00:53:35but also

00:53:35I'll tell you exactly

00:53:36how can they bend

00:53:38a spoon

00:53:39how can they bend

00:53:40even

00:53:41a key

00:53:42which seems

00:53:43which seems impossible

00:53:45exerting force

00:53:46just like Uri did

00:53:47therefore

00:53:47that night

00:53:48of 75

00:53:48indeed

00:53:49I'm going to teach you

00:53:50so that tonight

00:53:51at home

00:53:51may surprise

00:53:52to his friends

00:53:54folding

00:53:54and also

00:53:55we are going to teach

00:53:56this piece

00:53:58which is also historic

00:53:59because with this piece

00:54:00Uri Geller

00:54:01suspended

00:54:02the press conference

00:54:03Let's see

00:54:04Let's see

00:54:04Ramos

00:54:05Do you want to tell me

00:54:05that the powerful

00:54:07Uri Geller

00:54:07master of mental forces

00:54:09he left

00:54:10from a press conference

00:54:10because I couldn't

00:54:11with that

00:54:12because I told him

00:54:12yes

00:54:14because he said

00:54:16at that press conference

00:54:17who was here

00:54:18pointing at me

00:54:19a person

00:54:20that has made me

00:54:20much damage

00:54:21and that also

00:54:23is making a profit

00:54:25because I had already published

00:54:26the book already

00:54:27benefits

00:54:28of my powers

00:54:29And then I said

00:54:31no, look

00:54:31It's very simple.

00:54:32if you

00:54:34Bend this spoon

00:54:35in my presence

00:54:36me next

00:54:39I get on my knees

00:54:41for as long as they want

00:54:42the photographers

00:54:43so that I

00:54:43to be able to take the photo

00:54:44and that it goes around the world

00:54:46the photo

00:54:47of the president

00:54:48of Spanish society

00:54:48of parapsychology

00:54:49asking for forgiveness

00:54:51for having doubted

00:54:52of his powers

00:54:53Ramos

00:54:53Tell me about it later

00:54:54please

00:54:54a few minutes

00:54:55and in fourth millennium

00:54:56the authentic

00:54:57scientific parapsychology

00:54:58really

00:54:59which has nothing to do with it

00:55:00with a lot of chatter

00:55:01that's out there

00:55:01try

00:55:02They are the first

00:55:03in knowing

00:55:03where there is fraud

00:55:04and where there is reality

00:55:04because for many

00:55:05Uri Geller

00:55:07It did a disservice.

00:55:08Let's put it this way

00:55:09to the advance

00:55:09of these disciplines

00:55:10that for many

00:55:11already

00:55:11because they are a science

00:55:12in a few minutes

00:55:13that demonstration

00:55:14after 30 years

00:55:16Uri Geller

00:55:16trick, reality

00:55:17Let's find out here

00:55:18in fourth millennium

00:55:32Music

00:55:57Thanks for watching the video.

00:56:0418 million people staring at a spoon.

00:56:09It happened in the fall of 1975.

00:56:11The mental power of many people perhaps acting.

00:56:14Who knows?

00:56:15This same teaspoon, like any other coffee or tea spoon,

00:56:19Uri Geller folded it and left his signature.

00:56:21He did it to our colleague Carmen Porter.

00:56:24He'll tell us about it later.

00:56:25But before Ramos shows us and all the viewers of Cuarto Milenio

00:56:28How could that type of metal bending be done?

00:56:31How can one be a Uri Geller?

00:56:33Yes, I would like Enrique to tell us something about this character.

00:56:36I think I don't know if it's fable, fiction, reality,

00:56:38but it has also left room for mystery.

00:56:41It's just that Uri, after those television appearances,

00:56:44His life is already fading into memory,

00:56:46But he is hired by large oil companies

00:56:49to search for oil, and apparently successfully.

00:56:51Yes, there's little doubt about that.

00:56:53And those of us who know his house in London,

00:56:56like Javier Sierra, who could tell you about it on the same day as me,

00:56:58We know he is a multimillionaire man

00:57:01who not only owns a palace by the Thames and a yacht,

00:57:04but it has a whole city around it,

00:57:07In other words, houses for friends.

00:57:09So the friends who go there, well, they leave them a house.

00:57:11so that they can be their neighbors.

00:57:12And where will that money come from?

00:57:13He is a multimillionaire.

00:57:14That money, under no circumstances,

00:57:17working all these years on television sessions

00:57:21with the caches being minimal,

00:57:24I know he's been on TV shows like La Gallada

00:57:26Due to the number of minimums, it was impossible.

00:57:28That money is very well documented,

00:57:30that has received it from the percentage

00:57:33that he held positions in certain oil companies,

00:57:35such as the one that was directed

00:57:37by a former president in Mexico, López Portillo,

00:57:40in which he held a minimal percentage

00:57:42and in which he, through remote viewing

00:57:45or radiesthetic procedures,

00:57:46on some occasions with this aircraft,

00:57:48He provided advice both there and in South Africa,

00:57:50Riotinto Zinc, for example,

00:57:51where they had to look for oil

00:57:54or deposits of certain mineral substances.

00:57:59And was he right?

00:58:00There is no doubt that he was right

00:58:01as to the fact that they weren't paying him

00:58:03because they received recognition,

00:58:05but in the case of López Portillo

00:58:06There are documents that prove

00:58:08that he had a minimal percentage

00:58:11and that some money has come in there.

00:58:13Okay, let's analyze

00:58:14what really made Uri Geller famous.

00:58:15Telekinesis or bending

00:58:18or act with the mind

00:58:19about objects as physical as that.

00:58:22According to you, and as you denounced in this book,

00:58:24Uri Geller has discovered,

00:58:25How did he do it?

00:58:26Well, he, I mean, if you remember the...

00:58:29I'm going to make a new addition.

00:58:32Then I'm going to do exactly

00:58:34what he did on television.

00:58:36The added benefit is that there is a control spoon.

00:58:41So, these are two teaspoons.

00:58:42Normal and ordinary.

00:58:43And then, with your hands,

00:58:47Please extend them.

00:58:48Simply extend them.

00:58:49Then tell me which of the two hands

00:58:51You notice a greater warmth.

00:58:53A strange energy?

00:58:54Yes, a strange energy.

00:58:55This one.

00:58:55That.

00:58:56Well, take it as a controller

00:58:57And you chose it yourself.

00:58:59So now, with the other one,

00:59:01Let's do the Uri Geller test.

00:59:03So now, let's see, please.

00:59:05Yeah.

00:59:05Please.

00:59:06Hold it like this.

00:59:06Ah, I have to hold on.

00:59:07Good.

00:59:08So, here's what we have...

00:59:11This is what needs to be done...

00:59:13It's noticeable that each time...

00:59:14Each time...

00:59:15This is like butter.

00:59:18Hey?

00:59:18This is like butter.

00:59:20See?

00:59:20As it gradually folds.

00:59:22Yes, because there is mechanical pressure.

00:59:23Yeah.

00:59:23Hey?

00:59:24It keeps bending.

00:59:25Hey?

00:59:25It keeps bending.

00:59:26Hey?

00:59:27It keeps bending more and more.

00:59:28But what's more,

00:59:29what we are going to do now

00:59:32It's something that...

00:59:33Just a moment, please.

00:59:34Let it go.

00:59:35Because we're going now...

00:59:36So, this, now...

00:59:38Notice that now,

00:59:40How easily?

00:59:42How easily?

00:59:43But now,

00:59:43What we're going to do is

00:59:45watch how it folds

00:59:47that looks like butter.

00:59:51It folds completely.

00:59:53It bends.

00:59:54It bends.

00:59:55It bends.

00:59:56It bends.

00:59:57And it breaks.

01:00:01This moment had arrived

01:00:02And they applauded Origener.

01:00:04But anyway, I don't expect...

01:00:05She was applauded by 20 million people.

01:00:06I have to hold back.

01:00:07so as not to applaud

01:00:08to the teacher Ramos Pedida.

01:00:1020 million people.

01:00:12We are seeing it again

01:00:13those images.

01:00:14Autumn 1975.

01:00:16And I repeat that

01:00:16in all the anthologies,

01:00:18now that there have been celebrations

01:00:19on Spanish television,

01:00:21They use her as an icon

01:00:22for a while,

01:00:23of all 70,

01:00:24At least, right?

01:00:25Íñigo,

01:00:25the great master José María Íñigo,

01:00:27who was already on this program,

01:00:28Uri Geller and all that.

01:00:30Well, what's the explanation?

01:00:31Simple friction?

01:00:32Well yes.

01:00:34The teaspoons

01:00:35They can be folded

01:00:37In two ways, basically.

01:00:38One is preparing it.

01:00:41I mean,

01:00:42Now you can say,

01:00:43oh well,

01:00:44this...

01:00:45If I have,

01:00:45There is a control one.

01:00:46Yeah,

01:00:46the one I have freely chosen.

01:00:48The one you have freely chosen.

01:00:49Well,

01:00:50you actually

01:00:50You did not choose them freely.

01:00:52Of course,

01:00:53I want to say to the viewers

01:00:55that I never

01:00:56I would discover a trick

01:00:57of an illusionist.

01:00:59It seems to me...

01:01:00If that's a mortal sin

01:01:01in the world of illusion.

01:01:02No no.

01:01:02I would never do that.

01:01:03But this one says

01:01:05who is gifted

01:01:06And that's why

01:01:06I am discovering

01:01:07his tricks.

01:01:09First question,

01:01:11You do not choose freely.

01:01:13I mean,

01:01:13I have this little spoon

01:01:15prepared

01:01:16And that one isn't ready.

01:01:18So,

01:01:19if you had done

01:01:19opposite

01:01:21and you would have said

01:01:22that was getting hot

01:01:22plus this,

01:01:24you would have,

01:01:25Well, that's fine.

01:01:25Let's do the test

01:01:26with which you have decided

01:01:28And I'll give you the other one

01:01:29as a control.

01:01:30Do you understand the trick?

01:01:32Well,

01:01:32so,

01:01:33This one is ready.

01:01:34That is to say,

01:01:34How is it prepared?

01:01:35It is prepared based on

01:01:36by doing so

01:01:38quite often

01:01:38taking care

01:01:39to avoid getting burned

01:01:40because this generates

01:01:41quite hot

01:01:41when bent.

01:01:43And then,

01:01:44there is a moment

01:01:44that is

01:01:45about to

01:01:46of rupture.

01:01:48But when it is

01:01:49on the verge of breaking

01:01:50have seen

01:01:51the viewers

01:01:52that's what I've done.

01:01:52I mean,

01:01:53it seems

01:01:54It's perfect.

01:01:55but inside

01:01:56The structure is damaged.

01:01:58It has been

01:01:58a previous manipulation

01:01:59of 100 or 200 times

01:02:01doing so

01:02:01But did Uri do that?

01:02:03Yes, yes, of course.

01:02:04Did he always wear it?

01:02:05your own material?

01:02:06Sure, sure, sure.

01:02:07He had it all prepared.

01:02:08That was one of the clues

01:02:09that there is half

01:02:11that he wasn't gifted

01:02:13because

01:02:14He is an illusionist

01:02:15establishes

01:02:16their own rules of the game.

01:02:17And he established

01:02:18their own rules of the game.

01:02:20So,

01:02:20anyway

01:02:21There is another system

01:02:23which is very easy

01:02:24to do

01:02:25And I'm going to do it

01:02:26right now

01:02:26so that they can see it

01:02:27the viewers

01:02:29which is called

01:02:30The Mis Direction

01:02:31what is

01:02:32of

01:02:35distract attention.

01:02:37So,

01:02:37You take a teaspoon

01:02:39and it is said,

01:02:39For example,

01:02:40Well,

01:02:40we're going to find

01:02:41well, a,

01:02:42I don't know,

01:02:43something of I don't know what

01:02:44distract the public.

01:02:46So,

01:02:46it is taken

01:02:47and it is taken

01:02:49the teaspoon

01:02:51and it folds like that

01:02:53and then you see

01:02:53that keeps bending

01:02:55alone,

01:02:56alone,

01:02:56it keeps bending

01:02:57alone,

01:02:59It folds itself.

01:03:00Have you bent over more?

01:03:01that the one

01:03:01the Durie Heller?

01:03:02Exactly,

01:03:03like the Durie Heller.

01:03:03Some more,

01:03:04some more.

01:03:05Yeah.

01:03:07How is this done?

01:03:08It's very simple,

01:03:09It's very simple.

01:03:11It is about

01:03:12to divert

01:03:13attention,

01:03:13that is to say,

01:03:13that there is a moment

01:03:14that need to be addressed

01:03:15so they don't see you.

01:03:15But a fraction of a second

01:03:16He practically did it himself.

01:03:17Clear,

01:03:18clear.

01:03:18So,

01:03:18For example,

01:03:19I didn't used to do this.

01:03:21in front of the cameras.

01:03:22I've done it

01:03:22because I think it's good

01:03:23that the viewers

01:03:24get to know him.

01:03:25So,

01:03:25This is what is done

01:03:26It is as follows,

01:03:26it is taken

01:03:27the teaspoon

01:03:29in this position,

01:03:30clear,

01:03:31In a place

01:03:32Don't let them see you.

01:03:32No?

01:03:32and it folds like this.

01:03:34Once it's folded,

01:03:37This will remain as is.

01:03:40And of course,

01:03:41by putting this

01:03:42in a horizontal position,

01:03:44it gives the impression

01:03:45that it is horizontal

01:03:46the whole teaspoon.

01:03:48So,

01:03:48doing so,

01:03:49what it does

01:03:50It's the little spoon

01:03:51It's progressing

01:03:52and it keeps doing

01:03:54It's like it's bending.

01:03:55Esperón Ramos,

01:03:56But I had a question for you.

01:03:57You know,

01:03:58I have faced

01:03:59them

01:03:59when I have stated

01:04:00minimal skepticism

01:04:02with regard to Geller,

01:04:04For example,

01:04:04when we worked

01:04:05with Fernando Jiménez del Oso,

01:04:06there was in the team

01:04:07by Jiménez del Oso

01:04:08and there are some on Spanish Television

01:04:10a lot of people,

01:04:11workers,

01:04:11that they were going to put

01:04:12the keys to your house

01:04:13or the car keys,

01:04:15If you know that.

01:04:15Before the program

01:04:17television,

01:04:18He asked for that,

01:04:19He passed his hand over it.

01:04:20They swore to me

01:04:21and they perjured themselves

01:04:22that he hadn't touched the keys

01:04:23and they couldn't get in

01:04:25to the car

01:04:25or enter their house.

01:04:26Enrique,

01:04:26I'm going to tell you something,

01:04:27They swore to you,

01:04:28that is to say,

01:04:29They swore falsely to you.

01:04:30Yeah.

01:04:31Because,

01:04:31absolutely,

01:04:32Because you caught me.

01:04:34Because that's what it is...

01:04:35I've already given the explanation.

01:04:36Because you yourself

01:04:36You've explained it.

01:04:37Yeah.

01:04:37They swore to you.

01:04:39That is to say,

01:04:39They spent tonight

01:04:39many phenomena

01:04:40and social contagion

01:04:41It was terrible, wasn't it?

01:04:43I believe in that,

01:04:44people

01:04:45bona fide

01:04:47They think they haven't touched it

01:04:48But they haven't realized it

01:04:49that they have touched it.

01:04:50But it is also a mystery,

01:04:51Enrique,

01:04:51the mystery of

01:04:52that autumn night

01:04:5330 years ago

01:04:53the whole country

01:04:54he went in

01:04:54in a species

01:04:55of dynamics

01:04:55that made it possible

01:04:56almost miracles

01:04:57even if one did it

01:04:58unconsciously,

01:04:59Maybe, right?

01:04:59Clear,

01:04:59I believe there were clocks

01:05:00that went into operation

01:05:04mysteriously at home

01:05:04and the mysteriously

01:05:05for me,

01:05:06I know that Ramos Perea

01:05:08differs,

01:05:09It's because those people

01:05:10launched

01:05:12the appearance

01:05:13of a charlatan

01:05:13probably

01:05:14on television,

01:05:15for me,

01:05:15I do believe in these things

01:05:17because I have lived through them,

01:05:19launched

01:05:19that mechanism

01:05:20so difficult

01:05:21which is the mechanism

01:05:23psychokinetic.

01:05:23It's there, lying dormant.

01:05:24and that sometimes awakens.

01:05:26I believe in that.

01:05:26Let's see, Ramos,

01:05:27Let's do it with the key

01:05:28which would be like the colon

01:05:29to this...

01:05:29Uh, we'd talk...

01:05:31Let's get to it then.

01:05:33We have four keys here.

01:05:36which can be

01:05:37of anyone

01:05:38of the study.

01:05:39I this

01:05:40It makes me feel bad.

01:05:41do it with

01:05:42with keys

01:05:43of the others

01:05:45because...

01:05:45Because they bend.

01:05:46Yes, they bend.

01:05:48Well,

01:05:48So let's do one thing.

01:05:49I now

01:05:50I'm going to take

01:05:51the keys

01:05:52and I'm going

01:05:53to put them there

01:05:55in your hand

01:05:56And you now

01:05:57what you are going to do

01:05:59It's about squeezing hard,

01:06:01squeeze tightly,

01:06:02concentrate.

01:06:03You who have faith

01:06:03Because I don't...

01:06:04Mine don't bend

01:06:05But you're sure...

01:06:07There are people who say

01:06:09I don't believe any of it.

01:06:10But they usually tell me that.

01:06:10many seers,

01:06:12many healers,

01:06:13especially the healers

01:06:14frauds.

01:06:15There are so many of them.

01:06:16That man doesn't believe anything.

01:06:17That man is coming to attack...

01:06:18Well, you believe it at this moment.

01:06:19Enrique, let's see what happens.

01:06:20Let's see what happens.

01:06:21Let's see what happens, Enrique.

01:06:22This...

01:06:22I hope my ring doesn't bend.

01:06:24Okay, open this,

01:06:25Let's see what happens.

01:06:26Okay, let's see

01:06:27What happened here?

01:06:28Let's see what happened here.

01:06:29Well, we can see it here.

01:06:30that has been folded,

01:06:32As you can see,

01:06:33has bent

01:06:35this key.

01:06:36And this one.

01:06:36And this other one.

01:06:37Two keys have been bent.

01:06:39Two keys.

01:06:40So if we put them here,

01:06:41That's how it looks perfectly

01:06:42that both are folded.

01:06:46I don't know if it looks good.

01:06:48I think they'll look good on him

01:06:49the cameras.

01:06:49We've certainly messed things up for him.

01:06:50to the man who was about to enter the house.

01:06:52Yeah.

01:06:52Okay, then,

01:06:53How is this done?

01:06:55Shall I explain?

01:06:59This is also a trick

01:07:00of the so-called

01:07:02of misdirection.

01:07:04In other words, first we have to divert

01:07:05a little bit of attention

01:07:06saying, for example,

01:07:08Well, I need a radiator.

01:07:11to be near a place

01:07:12so that there is a moment

01:07:13that one might get a little distracted.

01:07:15And then,

01:07:16the secret is

01:07:17in which one of the keys

01:07:18have this wide hole.

01:07:22not this other little one.

01:07:24It has to be

01:07:25of the ones with a wide hole.

01:07:28So,

01:07:28when you let go of your hands,

01:07:31the key in his hand,

01:07:32or the keys in my hand,

01:07:34Two are left like that.

01:07:38Put in like that.

01:07:40And now,

01:07:41when they're stuck like that,

01:07:42It's very easy now.

01:07:45fold them.

01:07:46When I...

01:07:49When I...

01:07:50But you already distribute them

01:07:51in that initial jumble...

01:07:52I'll give it a double-dip.

01:07:55And that's it.

01:07:56in this case,

01:07:58as there was more confusion,

01:07:59I put two in.

01:08:00And then,

01:08:02sometimes,

01:08:03Sometimes I do those excesses.

01:08:04And then they get involved

01:08:05all together

01:08:06And it has already been seen.

01:08:08What is very clear,

01:08:09That's very clear, Ramos.

01:08:10It's because in sealed objects

01:08:11with full scientific control,

01:08:14Uri was not able,

01:08:15And this object was on that table,

01:08:16to move it.

01:08:17He wasn't able to.

01:08:18And the big question,

01:08:19because I think we enjoyed it

01:08:19everyone very much,

01:08:20There's much more to discuss.

01:08:21of the hidden powers of the mind,

01:08:23of course,

01:08:23We have focused primarily

01:08:24in Uri Geller,

01:08:25as a social event,

01:08:26But perhaps the most interesting thing

01:08:28That's why,

01:08:29If that's relatively simple,

01:08:31There is only one Uri Geller.

01:08:32Well,

01:08:32because he's a showman.

01:08:34That's like...

01:08:37He's a showman.

01:08:38And so it has been.

01:08:39his launch

01:08:41in the world, right?

01:08:42But he has been unable

01:08:43to fold,

01:08:44For example,

01:08:45in a laboratory

01:08:46from England,

01:08:49inside a tube

01:08:50A scientist named it,

01:08:52He put a metal plate on it

01:08:53very fine,

01:08:54very thin.

01:08:55It was sealed.

01:08:57He was unable to bend it.

01:08:59And yet,

01:09:00Look at that!

01:09:01a fellow countrywoman of ours

01:09:02from Extremadura

01:09:03Yes, he has managed to bend it.

01:09:05The famous Geller girl,

01:09:07Monica Nieto.

01:09:09And then it was a commission

01:09:10of the Spanish Society

01:09:11of Parapsychology

01:09:12with a sealed tube

01:09:16and a plate,

01:09:17which is a...

01:09:18This is a cassette deck

01:09:18that has one millimeter

01:09:19of section.

01:09:21And then he appeared

01:09:23folded.

01:09:24I don't know if you can see it there,

01:09:26It looks...

01:09:26Yeah,

01:09:27It is appreciated.

01:09:27It's appreciated.

01:09:28It looks bent.

01:09:29Okay, then,

01:09:30How did he do it?

01:09:32She

01:09:33He liked it a lot

01:09:35distract attention.

01:09:37I mean,

01:09:37danced,

01:09:38It moved around a lot,

01:09:39etc

01:09:39It seems, Ramos,

01:09:40That's the big trick.

01:09:40of all these gifted individuals,

01:09:41No?

01:09:42That moment

01:09:42that we are not paying attention to.

01:09:44attention.

01:09:45And then,

01:09:45The trick is...

01:09:47This is a circuit board

01:09:48lead.

01:09:50And then what does

01:09:52the thing is,

01:09:53at a certain point,

01:09:54He does this.

01:09:55So,

01:09:55when the lead falls,

01:09:58That's when it bends.

01:10:00It's bending now

01:10:01even more.

01:10:02Yeah,

01:10:02a lot more.

01:10:03I mean,

01:10:04as it falls,

01:10:05It bends.

01:10:06That's the thing.

01:10:07I mean,

01:10:07that Mónica Nieto

01:10:08did something

01:10:09that he was not able

01:10:10of origin.

01:10:11And I say goodbye

01:10:12with two things,

01:10:12Enrique.

01:10:13I challenge you

01:10:13let's talk

01:10:13one day

01:10:14of the Spanish Uri Gellers,

01:10:15For example,

01:10:15Perhaps Monica Nieto.

01:10:16But,

01:10:17What have we seen?

01:10:18today,

01:10:18we have lived here,

01:10:19invalidates telekinesis,

01:10:21mental strength

01:10:22of some people

01:10:23that are not objects?

01:10:23I, personally,

01:10:24I don't think so.

01:10:25And I completely agree.

01:10:27with the explanations

01:10:28that Ramos has given.

01:10:29I believe they are undeniable,

01:10:30That's something, isn't it?

01:10:31These are proven facts.

01:10:32In addition to what he has demonstrated,

01:10:34There's much more.

01:10:35But,

01:10:35I don't think that invalidates it.

01:10:38Finally,

01:10:38There's that other issue

01:10:40which would be broader

01:10:41to talk on another program,

01:10:42the Global Conscience project.

01:10:44It's an enigma

01:10:45how does that work?

01:10:46But, I insist,

01:10:47There are about 70 eggs,

01:10:51They are called,

01:10:51that is to say,

01:10:52detectors of possible

01:10:53psychokinetic influences

01:10:55distributed worldwide

01:10:56and connected to the Internet.

01:10:58That creates a data flow.

01:11:00And thanks to that,

01:11:01It has been seen

01:11:02that 24 hours before the tsunami

01:11:04There were beginning to be disturbances,

01:11:06than one hour earlier

01:11:08September 11

01:11:09There were disturbances,

01:11:11than half an hour earlier

01:11:12of 11M,

01:11:12from the Madrid bombing,

01:11:13There were alterations.

01:11:14Why those earlier periods?

01:11:16Pure speculation.

01:11:17But,

01:11:18apparently,

01:11:19because the unconscious

01:11:20collective

01:11:21was capturing

01:11:2224 hours before

01:11:24earthquakes.

01:11:26One hour earlier,

01:11:27the tension

01:11:28of the terrorists

01:11:29that they had set up

01:11:29the planes.

01:11:30Half an hour earlier,

01:11:31the tension

01:11:32of the terrorists

01:11:33that they had set up

01:11:33the trains

01:11:34that they were going to suffer

01:11:36the attack.

01:11:37Of course,

01:11:38It is a mere hypothesis.

01:11:39We'll talk about that.

01:11:40Enrique.

01:11:41As usual,

01:11:41thanks a lot

01:11:42for your first visit

01:11:43to Cuarto Milenio,

01:11:43which will not be the last.

01:11:44Hopefully.

01:11:45Thanks to you,

01:11:46Ramos.

01:11:46And I want to tell you

01:11:47a deference

01:11:48truly wonderful

01:11:49to have brought us

01:11:51objects that are

01:11:52authentic history

01:11:53from the scientific study

01:11:54of these phenomena

01:11:55and having made us

01:11:56this wonderful

01:11:57demonstration.

01:11:58Do you think,

01:11:58despite Uri,

01:12:00always in your opinion,

01:12:00It's a blaz,

01:12:01a fake gifted one,

01:12:04There may be others

01:12:05Uri hiding somewhere

01:12:06which are not exactly

01:12:07showmen?

01:12:08That is my hope,

01:12:08That is my hope.

01:12:09Thank you very much, Ramos.

01:12:11And if there was anything left to see,

01:12:13well,

01:12:13to the person

01:12:14which has concentrated

01:12:15all our attention,

01:12:16Uri Geller,

01:12:17but about 25 or 30 years

01:12:18after those

01:12:19events.

01:12:20She spoke with our colleague

01:12:21Carmen Porter

01:12:22and the thing about the bent spoon

01:12:24It was just one of his,

01:12:25in quotation marks,

01:12:26prodigies.

01:12:26Let's get to know them here,

01:12:27on Cuarto Milenio.

01:12:29I wrote the book

01:12:30because for many years

01:12:33I have been

01:12:34abandoning the backs

01:12:35and read the mines

01:12:37and fixing their backs

01:12:38but all the time

01:12:39I have reached six people

01:12:41because they said

01:12:42Oh, Mr. Geller,

01:12:44Can I heal us?

01:12:44And I said

01:12:45No, no, no,

01:12:46no, no, no,

01:12:47no, no, no,

01:12:47but I couldn't say

01:12:50no to parents

01:12:51who had six children.

01:12:52So I had

01:12:53the children in my house,

01:12:54in the rooms

01:12:55And I spoke with them

01:12:57and I did positive exercises

01:12:59and many of them

01:13:01They have become better.

01:13:02So I said

01:13:03now is the time

01:13:04to put my experience

01:13:06and my teaching

01:13:08in a book

01:13:09about healthcare.

01:13:13There we had Uri Geller,

01:13:15the epicenter man

01:13:16of this great controversy

01:13:16that does not cease.

01:13:17Speaking of healing,

01:13:19mental healing

01:13:20and to help children,

01:13:21something that seems

01:13:22Quite commendable, Carmen.

01:13:23The truth is, yes.

01:13:24is Uri Geller

01:13:25has never stopped

01:13:26to help those most in need.

01:13:28It is true that he has won

01:13:28big money

01:13:29as I mentioned before

01:13:30Enrique de Vicente

01:13:32searching for oil

01:13:33Or so they say,

01:13:34but it is also true

01:13:35that has helped

01:13:35to many people

01:13:36to overcome their problems

01:13:37especially mental ones.

01:13:39There's news

01:13:39breaking news

01:13:40And it's because he's bought

01:13:41a house

01:13:42which also curiously

01:13:43It belonged to Elvis Presley.

01:13:45It was the one she had in Memphis,

01:13:46has acquired it

01:13:47for one million dollars

01:13:48and he bought it

01:13:49at the auction

01:13:50internationally known

01:13:51like E-Buy.

01:13:53What did you buy it for?

01:13:53Well, to help

01:13:54to children with problems.

01:13:55He says he's going to admit them there.

01:13:56that it will deal with

01:13:57to cure their problems

01:13:58and that also

01:13:59the house itself

01:14:01It will help you

01:14:01because it has very good energy.

01:14:03We had Carmen Porter,

01:14:04our colleague,

01:14:05It's been almost a decade now,

01:14:06face to face

01:14:06with Uri Geller

01:14:07and of course

01:14:08that the supposedly gifted

01:14:09he could not escape

01:14:09without doing a test.

01:14:10The first one is that spoon.

01:14:11And the most enigmatic thing,

01:14:13According to what you tell us,

01:14:14It's that spoon

01:14:14I wasn't prepared.

01:14:16No,

01:14:16this spoon

01:14:17I couldn't have been prepared

01:14:18by no means

01:14:19because I'm carrying it

01:14:20from my house

01:14:22precisely

01:14:22so that there would be no

01:14:23no tricks whatsoever

01:14:24for their part

01:14:25or that,

01:14:26As Ramos Pereira told us,

01:14:27I already had these instruments

01:14:29prepared.

01:14:30He takes her

01:14:31from the tip

01:14:32just as I'm doing it

01:14:33me now

01:14:33and begins to float

01:14:34this part

01:14:35in front of

01:14:36from my eyes

01:14:37without at any time

01:14:38hide it

01:14:40or do with it,

01:14:41I took her out of my sight

01:14:42at no time

01:14:43it's true

01:14:44that the cutlery

01:14:45it starts to bend

01:14:46And it remained like this

01:14:47that then

01:14:48because he was kind enough

01:14:49besides

01:14:49to sign me

01:14:50on the spoon

01:14:51like a memory.

01:14:52Well,

01:14:52And there was one more surprise.

01:14:53still.

01:14:54Uri Geller

01:14:55He was famous

01:14:55not only because of the alleged

01:14:56telekinesis

01:14:58modify objects

01:14:59but through telepathy

01:15:01notice,

01:15:01visualize

01:15:02what someone else is thinking

01:15:03and ordered you to make a drawing

01:15:05but at a great distance

01:15:06without being able to see it.

01:15:07Well yes,

01:15:08The truth is that we carried out

01:15:08another telepathic experiment

01:15:10which is still

01:15:11most impressive

01:15:12if possible, like the one with the spoon.

01:15:13He at one point

01:15:14he tells me

01:15:15excellent

01:15:15to test his powers

01:15:17we are going to do

01:15:19a telepathic experiment

01:15:21he tells me

01:15:22draw

01:15:22whatever I want

01:15:23besides

01:15:24I take

01:15:24a sheet of notebook paper

01:15:26that wore

01:15:26when I went to interview him

01:15:28leave

01:15:29to a place

01:15:30completely

01:15:30away from him

01:15:32It was a place

01:15:33In a place

01:15:33where we were performing

01:15:34the interview

01:15:35that was not

01:15:35previously prepared

01:15:37We chose it

01:15:38He couldn't have

01:15:39at no time

01:15:40no tricks

01:15:41no game

01:15:42of mirrors

01:15:43with which I could

01:15:44see what I drew

01:15:45and indeed

01:15:46when I am already

01:15:47interviewing

01:15:47he at a certain point

01:15:48It seems to be coming

01:15:49an inspiration

01:15:50a telepathic message

01:15:52what does he tell me

01:15:52which is the one I send him

01:15:53for the interview

01:15:55and makes the same drawing

01:15:57that I minutes before

01:15:58had done.

01:15:59It was more

01:16:00of the face

01:16:01from my dog's face

01:16:01from the face of the UFO

01:16:02because I didn't want to

01:16:03make it easy for him

01:16:04I didn't build a typical house

01:16:06the typical tree

01:16:07or the flower

01:16:08I put it on him

01:16:08a little more difficult.

01:16:09Uri Geller

01:16:10fraud or reality

01:16:11to you as always

01:16:13it is their responsibility

01:16:13give your opinion

01:16:14and draw your own conclusion

01:16:15Now I invite you

01:16:16to a different trip

01:16:17perhaps also

01:16:18with the same origin

01:16:19strange energies

01:16:20that we do not control

01:16:21But there are some

01:16:22much darker

01:16:22And some say

01:16:23that concentrate

01:16:24in certain enclaves

01:16:25obviously

01:16:26the places

01:16:26such as

01:16:27abandoned psychiatric hospitals

01:16:29They have always been pasture

01:16:30of legends

01:16:30that there is truth

01:16:31what's a lie

01:16:32our team

01:16:32It was one of those places

01:16:34to try to find out

01:16:35a place that impressed us

01:16:36sincerely

01:16:37I invite you to get to know it

01:16:38The Watchtower in Ciudad Real

01:16:43The Watchtower in Ciudad Real

01:16:45It's one of those buildings

01:16:47touched by bad luck

01:16:48a place that people

01:16:50prefers to avoid

01:16:51an enclave

01:16:53full of dark stories

01:17:03their first destination

01:17:04was to become

01:17:05in a hospital

01:17:05for the sick

01:17:06of tuberculosis

01:17:07Hence its location

01:17:08on a hill

01:17:09facing the sun

01:17:09although fair

01:17:11upon completion of its construction

01:17:12the disease

01:17:13it practically happened

01:17:13by eradicated

01:17:14in Spain

01:17:15and he had to be found

01:17:16another task

01:17:17another function

01:17:18intended to alleviate

01:17:20the pain

01:17:20of the most disadvantaged

01:17:23It became a psychiatric hospital

01:17:25children

01:17:25for later

01:17:26to become a hospital

01:17:27for all types

01:17:28of the mentally ill

01:17:30a huge building

01:17:31like a gigantic

01:17:33stranded city

01:17:34in the middle of nowhere

01:17:35in which they swarmed

01:17:36just a few

01:17:37inpatients

01:17:40in the 1980s

01:17:42the building was abandoned

01:17:43remaining glass-ruined

01:17:44to be pasture

01:17:45of gangs

01:17:46drug addicts

01:17:47or couples

01:17:48who were seeking privacy

01:17:49in a macabre place

01:17:50even back then

01:17:51it was being said

01:17:52of strange presences

01:17:54of children's visions

01:17:55of inexplicable phenomena

01:18:00soon they began

01:18:01the legends

01:18:02from the watchtower

01:18:02to circulate

01:18:03throughout Ciudad Real

01:18:05rapidly becoming

01:18:06in a marked place

01:18:08when it finally closes

01:18:10as a result of the 1980s

01:18:12that building

01:18:13starts to enter

01:18:14the people in it

01:18:15and starts running

01:18:16the legend

01:18:17about the past

01:18:18of the building

01:18:19what was happening

01:18:19with the sick

01:18:20in there

01:18:20that had suffered

01:18:21that there had been lamentations

01:18:23and groans

01:18:23which indeed

01:18:24when there were sick people

01:18:25The groans could be heard

01:18:26of the sick

01:18:27but not that they complained

01:18:28They were doing nothing to them

01:18:29but because of his mental illness

01:18:30because some preferred shouting

01:18:32within his madness

01:18:33But there were people

01:18:34that associated it

01:18:35to mistreatment

01:18:37or some type of treatment

01:18:38unnatural

01:18:40or inhuman

01:18:40towards them

01:18:41That's what's stuck in my mind

01:18:42of many people

01:18:43and that building

01:18:45since then

01:18:45has always had

01:18:47It has sent shivers down my spine

01:18:49many of the people

01:18:50who still pass by there

01:18:51especially at night

01:18:53what he was missing

01:18:54to this environment

01:18:55was

01:18:55the blood

01:18:56the crime

01:18:58and the most tragic

01:19:00that is remembered

01:19:00throughout the province

01:19:01It happened there

01:19:03precisely there

01:19:05the brutal murder

01:19:07was committed

01:19:07April 21st

01:19:08of 1987

01:19:10in the same shadow

01:19:11from the watchtower

01:19:12or an event

01:19:14that despite the time

01:19:14elapsed

01:19:15It was never clarified

01:19:17and that has increased

01:19:19the mystery of the place

01:19:21that early morning

01:19:23young people

01:19:24Alfredo Lozano

01:19:25and María del Mar Perales

01:19:26were executed

01:19:28in cold blood

01:19:29in their own vehicle

01:19:30They barely had

01:19:3220 years

01:19:32and they were kissing

01:19:34the culprit

01:19:36the national police officer

01:19:38Isidro Mejías

01:19:39he committed suicide

01:19:40just a few meters away

01:19:41thence

01:19:41perhaps wrapped

01:19:42in a strange madness

01:19:44It happened in the year 1987

01:19:45at night

01:19:46Easter Monday

01:19:48to Easter Tuesday

01:19:48after Easter

01:19:49and was

01:19:51and it's wrapped

01:19:52in the mystery

01:19:53It's what we usually call

01:19:54dirt was thrown on top of him

01:19:56and it was never clear

01:19:58what happened there

01:19:59and how it happened

01:20:01the Cuarto Milenio team

01:20:03had received

01:20:03dozens of messages

01:20:04of people

01:20:05that they had suffered

01:20:06terrifying experiences

01:20:08in the entrails

01:20:09from Istamole

01:20:10abandoned

01:20:10and we do not doubt

01:20:12at the time

01:20:12to get started

01:20:13and to know

01:20:14that gloomy world

01:20:15in the middle of the night

01:20:20disturbing graffiti

01:20:22debris

01:20:23the sound of the air

01:20:25seeping into every corner

01:20:26remains of pigeons

01:20:28decapitated

01:20:29precisely

01:20:29reports and invoices

01:20:31of the old psychiatric hospital

01:20:32the elements

01:20:34from oblivion

01:20:35They were approaching us

01:20:36at every turn

01:20:37around 3

01:20:38in the early morning

01:20:39one of our

01:20:40digital recorders

01:20:42He registered something

01:20:43disturbing

01:20:44a voice that seemed

01:20:46approach forcefully

01:20:47to tell us something

01:20:49perhaps an effect of the wind

01:20:51or maybe not

01:20:56to this set design

01:20:57the legend was added

01:20:58of the lady of the watchtower

01:20:59a woman in her forties

01:21:02that according to many witnesses

01:21:04She appears in a nightgown

01:21:05in the vicinity

01:21:06always performing

01:21:08the same route

01:21:09And there are those who speak

01:21:11of appearances

01:21:11of similar figures

01:21:12to former patients

01:21:14in the hospital

01:21:15or in the same

01:21:17entry curve

01:21:20the watchtower continues

01:21:22with its doors open

01:21:23hoping that from

01:21:24some administration

01:21:25measures are taken

01:21:26first

01:21:27because of the danger

01:21:28which represents a building

01:21:29open

01:21:29of these characteristics

01:21:30and the second

01:21:32because perhaps it already deserves

01:21:33rest in peace

01:21:34after so much

01:21:36dark history

01:21:36accumulated

01:21:38over time

01:21:43Javier Lluvero

01:21:44It's an excellent

01:21:45chronicler

01:21:45journalist

01:21:46from Ciudad Real

01:21:47the watchtower

01:21:48which precisely

01:21:48You live nearby

01:21:49from that place

01:21:50It is abandoned

01:21:51at a given moment

01:21:53already accumulated

01:21:54very few patients

01:21:55and from there

01:21:55The legends begin

01:21:56to follow

01:21:57some of them

01:21:58He really called you

01:21:59attention

01:21:59as a journalist

01:22:00could be

01:22:01not just myths

01:22:02but to enclose

01:22:03some truth

01:22:03about the shouting

01:22:04of sick people

01:22:05visions

01:22:06When does it start?

01:22:07Why is all that happening?

01:22:08Well, when I was

01:22:09occupied by sick people

01:22:10the building

01:22:11because screams could be heard

01:22:12obviously

01:22:13from the patients themselves

01:22:14Were those real?

01:22:14Yeah

01:22:15in his madness

01:22:16because they were shouting

01:22:17and they hit real

01:22:18frightening screams

01:22:20especially at night

01:22:21But the legend arises

01:22:23once closed

01:22:24the building

01:22:24because I was busy

01:22:25just a bit of wool

01:22:26single floor

01:22:27because there were few sick people

01:22:29They could still be heard

01:22:30some noises

01:22:31at night

01:22:32Some say

01:22:33that I saw some image

01:22:34night shift

01:22:35like with a candle

01:22:36something like that

01:22:37what was happening

01:22:37in the Linares Palace

01:22:38as it appeared

01:22:39from the Bank of Spain

01:22:40here in Madrid

01:22:41And that's how it began

01:22:42to enhance the legend

01:22:43It may be an exaggeration

01:22:45over time

01:22:45But it's a typical building.

01:22:47that you enter

01:22:48unless you're broke

01:22:49You're up to something

01:22:50that worries you

01:22:51And it's not pleasant.

01:22:52not even at night

01:22:52not even during the day

01:22:53Even less so at night

01:22:54The crime

01:22:55from the watchtower

01:22:57of those two boys

01:22:58It definitely changed

01:22:59the story

01:22:59or how I saw

01:23:00that area

01:23:01the town of Cedro Real?

01:23:03well obviously

01:23:04an area that was

01:23:05for leisure

01:23:05especially in summer

01:23:07he was there for many years

01:23:08deserted

01:23:08because people

01:23:09He was afraid

01:23:09to go

01:23:10among other hours

01:23:10because of that lack of clarity

01:23:12of the police

01:23:13when explaining

01:23:14what had happened

01:23:15because they gave seven or eight versions

01:23:16to each one

01:23:17more outlandish

01:23:18and in the end

01:23:19none definitive

01:23:20And that created a lot of fear.

01:23:21in people

01:23:22of the city's population

01:23:23especially in people

01:23:24younger

01:23:24that went at night

01:23:26to the watchtower

01:23:26like any couple

01:23:27and they stopped going

01:23:28and that combined

01:23:29to the legend of the building

01:23:30because it gave that environment

01:23:31a certain darkness

01:23:33in the most

01:23:34interior of the word

01:23:36You were telling me, Javier

01:23:37that there were even family members

01:23:39related to crime

01:23:40from the watchtower

01:23:40who died of grief

01:23:41That's how you told me

01:23:42Yeah man

01:23:43specifically

01:23:44Maria del Mar's mother

01:23:45the girl

01:23:46a big woman

01:23:48of these women

01:23:49which measured 80

01:23:49and broad-shouldered

01:23:51And I saw it over time.

01:23:52to be consumed

01:23:53little by little

01:23:54and died of grief

01:23:55The diagnosis was poor.

01:23:56because of the drama

01:23:57that her daughter suffered

01:23:59because, as she herself said

01:24:00if he had killed himself

01:24:01on a curve

01:24:01or an accident or something

01:24:02but that they killed her

01:24:03in cold blood

01:24:04and in that place

01:24:05That's what this woman

01:24:06was never able

01:24:06to assume

01:24:08psychologically

01:24:08and it has had to be consumed

01:24:10until he died

01:24:11these places

01:24:12as we say

01:24:12appear to be

01:24:14some nuclei

01:24:15where people

01:24:15it is incorporating

01:24:16legends

01:24:17that sometimes

01:24:17cannot be verified

01:24:18one of them

01:24:19an old acquaintance

01:24:20of the viewers

01:24:21of fourth millennium

01:24:22It's the girl's

01:24:23that appears in the middle

01:24:24of the road

01:24:24urban legend

01:24:25or not

01:24:25We don't know

01:24:26but also here

01:24:28we found stories

01:24:29of this type

01:24:29Alberto

01:24:29right there

01:24:30at the entrance

01:24:31if we find that story

01:24:32right on that curve

01:24:33Where is this building located?

01:24:34I think maybe

01:24:35because of that combination

01:24:36of a dimly lit place

01:24:37It's at the top

01:24:38of the city

01:24:40well, a place

01:24:41as we have said

01:24:41that with a murder

01:24:42in between

01:24:43the psychiatric hospital

01:24:44and many of our

01:24:45listeners said

01:24:46at least

01:24:47the legend

01:24:47He was talking about how it appeared

01:24:49from time to time

01:24:49on that corner

01:24:50a person

01:24:51well with the clothes

01:24:52of a mentally ill person

01:24:53of having been

01:24:53in that hospital

01:24:54Sometimes they also said

01:24:55which was a

01:24:56It could be a woman

01:24:57wearing a nurse's uniform

01:24:58and always on that curve

01:25:00right on the corner

01:25:01from the watchtower

01:25:01It was said that it appeared

01:25:03so

01:25:04Xavier

01:25:05the watchtower

01:25:05It's a death trap

01:25:07man

01:25:07It's super deadly

01:25:08because

01:25:09also the door

01:25:10it's stuck

01:25:10to a small road

01:25:11that goes up to a forest park

01:25:12and that in summer

01:25:13well the boys

01:25:14younger

01:25:1414-15 years old

01:25:15They go up by bicycle

01:25:17to spend the day there

01:25:18a building

01:25:19abandoned

01:25:19and with these characteristics

01:25:20It's a complaint

01:25:22Entire elevator shafts?

01:25:24Yes, the elevator is not working.

01:25:25and a child falls down there

01:25:26and until it doesn't smell

01:25:28They won't find it

01:25:29And that has been reported.

01:25:31on some other occasion

01:25:32in some media outlet

01:25:33and it's still open

01:25:34It doesn't close

01:25:34nor does it collapse

01:25:36or it is closed with bricks

01:25:37It's still open

01:25:38And I say that's a complaint.

01:25:40for the kids

01:25:41that enter

01:25:42Furthermore, many of them do it.

01:25:43And one day will come.

01:25:44that it doesn't come out

01:25:45or get badly hurt

01:25:46It's good to make that very clear.

01:25:48because maybe

01:25:48as a result of this report

01:25:50of this research

01:25:51of this approach

01:25:52to that somewhat abandoned place

01:25:53we can achieve something

01:25:54we realized

01:25:55that there were real dangers

01:25:56at every turn

01:25:57and we also realized

01:25:58of something else

01:25:59We were moving forward along the watchtower

01:26:01It was not yet night

01:26:02It was the first inspection

01:26:03And we realized

01:26:04that there were many pigeons

01:26:05cleanly decapitated

01:26:06just the head

01:26:07but biased

01:26:08as with a scalpel

01:26:10That was there, Alberto.

01:26:11Yes, we were quite impressed.

01:26:13and even

01:26:14one of them

01:26:15It caught our attention

01:26:17I also believe that

01:26:17in one of the images

01:26:18It has been seen

01:26:19because I was totally

01:26:20like a nail

01:26:21on a skewer

01:26:21in one of the windows

01:26:22like an impaled woman

01:26:23impaled

01:26:23Yeah

01:26:23and this one we're seeing

01:26:25specifically

01:26:25And I believe that

01:26:26I had been there for quite some time.

01:26:28and it seemed as if he were

01:26:30incorrupt

01:26:30hanging there

01:26:31the truth is that

01:26:33She was quite curious

01:26:34Spiritism

01:26:35Satanism

01:26:35rituals

01:26:36or people who think

01:26:37that does things

01:26:37which then are nothing

01:26:38but they do generate

01:26:39a kind of fascination

01:26:41because of its macabre nature

01:26:41It has also happened

01:26:42on the watchtower

01:26:43Could this be a sample?

01:26:44About that, Javier?

01:26:45I think so

01:26:45because there was a time

01:26:46that gave them at the beginning

01:26:47for the boys

01:26:48go there

01:26:48boys already teenagers

01:26:50to practice spiritualism

01:26:51conduct sessions

01:26:52that they thought

01:26:53that were going to be presented

01:26:54or the two deceased boys

01:26:55or some spirit

01:26:56of some sick person

01:26:57that he had died there

01:26:58then it ended up being a place

01:26:59for drinking

01:27:00of some other boys

01:27:01That's passed through many hands.

01:27:03But I believe some ritual

01:27:04Yes, it has been done there.

01:27:05especially in light of

01:27:07of the graffiti

01:27:07that we found

01:27:08which are certainly macabre

01:27:10and inappropriate for teenagers

01:27:11Javier, thank you very much, mate.

01:27:12To you, as always.

01:27:13Alberto, as always.

01:27:14thank you so much

01:27:15thank you

01:27:15there you were

01:27:16wandering through the darkness

01:27:17trying to decipher something

01:27:18which of course

01:27:19It will remain there, a mystery.

01:27:20as often happens

01:27:20The photos remain

01:27:21from our friends

01:27:22television viewers

01:27:23photos that have to do with

01:27:24also with appearances

01:27:25with faces

01:27:26with lights

01:27:26photos that always

01:27:28we tried to find

01:27:29instead of the plot

01:27:30reality

01:27:31fraud or fiction

01:27:32fraud or reality

01:27:33Let's try to find out.

01:27:34here on Fourth Millennium

01:27:52the gruesome stories

01:27:54concentrated in the watchtower

01:27:55many times

01:27:56as happens in other places

01:27:57They were referring to children crying

01:27:58They seem to be a classic

01:28:00well then

01:28:00sometimes the smoke

01:28:01and perhaps chance

01:28:02They may make children appear

01:28:04where they don't exist

01:28:05Carmen

01:28:05Nerea showed it to us.

01:28:07who was the friend

01:28:08who sent us this photograph

01:28:09who also told us

01:28:10who was captured in Tunisia

01:28:12while they were on vacation

01:28:13It's smoke

01:28:14because according to Guillermo León

01:28:16it may be

01:28:16of water vapor

01:28:17or indeed

01:28:17that someone around

01:28:18I was smoking

01:28:19but it does get

01:28:21a figure

01:28:21quite curious

01:28:23that we have recreated

01:28:23in three dimensions

01:28:25a fetus

01:28:25which is also

01:28:26at the height

01:28:27from our friend Nerea

01:28:28And what does that tell us?

01:28:29at the level of the tummy

01:28:30from our friend Nerea

01:28:31And what does that tell us?

01:28:32that she was not pregnant

01:28:33then

01:28:34and it hasn't been any longer

01:28:35So she's a curious one.

01:28:36chance

01:28:37that it came out

01:28:38that child

01:28:39probably

01:28:40desired by her

01:28:41Well, as always

01:28:41It's already a matter

01:28:43of rigor and logic

01:28:44two directions

01:28:44two ways of contact

01:28:46so that they send us

01:28:47both their messages

01:28:48his letters

01:28:49like those photographs

01:28:50that they want us to analyze

01:28:51on Cuarto Milenio

01:28:52at4.com

01:28:54And of course

01:28:54our post office box

01:28:5518189

01:28:57with the postal code

01:28:5928080 Madrid

01:29:00And we're already prepared.

01:29:02to start

01:29:02a new journey

01:29:03in search of the mystery

01:29:04a new journey

01:29:05in search of new surprises

01:29:06of new discoveries

01:29:07They already know

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