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00:00:15Welcome to Fourth Millennium.

00:00:16Tonight we present you with a monographic investigation.

00:00:20The investigation into one of the strangest events that has crossed this team's path

00:00:24researchers.

00:00:25Photographs taken in an old cemetery in the province of Ávila.

00:00:29Three girls forming a circle around a grave.

00:00:32Are they ghosts? Are they specters? Is it a hoax?

00:00:35We're going to try to find out with all the data, all the analyses, and all the tests, after a long year.

00:00:40work.

00:00:41Ultimately, we are talking about a subject that overwhelms human beings, because perhaps it is as old as humanity itself.

00:00:47The presences on the other side, those who are no longer there, those who sometimes appear, some call them ghosts.

00:00:57For some, it is one of the most impressive ghost images obtained in our country.

00:01:02For others, it is an elaborate and complex fraud.

00:01:06Tonight we will try to solve, with analysis and official documents, the enigma of the girls in the cemetery.

00:01:15Images of supposed specters have been around since the very moment the photographic camera was invented.

00:01:22Some are just innocent tricks, others, however, seem to withstand any analysis.

00:01:28Tonight we will learn about the most famous ones of all time.

00:01:34It happened at Giuseppe Verdi's house.

00:01:37Professional photographers captured something very strange near the piano of the great Italian composer.

00:01:42This is one of the best analyzed images in recent years.

00:01:46But to this day, there is no answer to discover who this mysterious individual is.

00:01:51who smiles with a disturbing grimace.

00:01:57What is a ghost?

00:01:59A moment of pain, perhaps?

00:02:02A blurry photograph?

00:02:04An insect trapped in amber?

00:02:06Is this how the play The Devil's Backbone began?

00:02:09And Ernesto Alterio asked those questions, the same ones that human beings have been asking for centuries.

00:02:15It is said that Pliny the Younger described the first ghost story.

00:02:19In addition, a visit in his own bed, at the foot of his own bed.

00:02:24A plaintive figure, wrapped in white robes and wearing chains.

00:02:29From then on, the figure of the specter, the ghost, the entity, whatever you want to call it,

00:02:34becomes a benchmark.

00:02:36Some say that in the oldest library of humankind, the oldest in the world,

00:02:40the one from the city of Nineveh, in southern Banipal,

00:02:43Some forbidden, cursed books that spoke of that subject were kept there.

00:02:47of ghost sightings.

00:02:49Of those who were straddling two worlds, neither here nor having just left for the other shore.

00:02:57Much has been said, much has been published.

00:02:59Fraud, truth, the story of those who have left continues to intrigue us deeply.

00:03:05I have to confess that I am quite skeptical about the possibility of capturing a photograph of a ghost.

00:03:11However, over these past 11 weeks, more than 25,000 photographs have shown us that people

00:03:17He manages to capture these scenes.

00:03:20What are they? We don't know.

00:03:22I also have to confess that the most exciting story that has crossed our path, on the path of

00:03:27this mystery ship,

00:03:28It happened a couple of years ago.

00:03:31It was the summer of 2004.

00:03:32And a family from a village in Ávila sent us some amazing pictures.

00:03:38A cemetery, a holy ground.

00:03:40And in complete darkness, almost hidden in the mist, three girls.

00:03:45There were many more things that seemed so suspiciously real that they drew us completely into this whole plot.

00:03:53worthy of a novel.

00:03:54But what we're going to tell you here is fiction, it's pure reality.

00:03:58After a year of research, after a year of information gathering and documentation,

00:04:03We can perhaps reach a point of conclusion.

00:04:07I would like to introduce you to the person, we can call her the spokesperson for this family, Isabel García Peña,

00:04:12who sent us some photographs in the summer of 2004 that still move us deeply.

00:04:18Isabel, good evening, welcome to Cuarto Milenio.

00:04:21Hello good evening.

00:04:22First of all, thank you for the helpful attitude you and your family have shown us all.

00:04:28You took us to the place, we were able to reproduce the photographs again.

00:04:33This intrigues you as much as it does us, doesn't it?

00:04:35Yes, that's true.

00:04:37We find it very intriguing because it's something you wouldn't expect to find when the photographs were taken.

00:04:44It's a cemetery in a small town in Ávila, in Navalperal; you have a relative buried there.

00:04:49Yeah.

00:04:49And how do you come up with what might attract people's attention?

00:04:52We received digital copies of some photos taken in a cemetery at night.

00:04:58You will understand that it is not common to go to a cemetery at night to take photographs.

00:05:02Because?

00:05:04Well, mainly because there were legends or people in the village heard that a creature was crying.

00:05:10child in the cemetery and so that's why one night my nephews went for no other reason, I mean, they went to

00:05:19They took photos and spent about half an hour taking pictures of all the graves, and this came up at one of them.

00:05:26However, as I understand it, Isabel, they take the photographs. In each of the photographs that you are going to

00:05:31As you can see in this program, there is an exact route, entering through a south gate of that small cemetery, like another

00:05:36any.

00:05:36First and foremost, respect for that town; they too are neither to blame nor fortunate enough to have been witnesses.

00:05:44in his town that this would happen. It just happened that way.

00:05:47We want to know what's going on, and of course, I reiterate my gratitude for the honesty and kindness of the mayor and the guard.

00:05:55civil, of the people who have helped us in this long investigation.

00:05:58They reach a point, they take the photos, but you don't see them at first.

00:06:02You realize what it is when you download them to your computer.

00:06:06Well, at first I didn't see anything. I mean, I was looking at the photos one by one, and then the second time...

00:06:14I looked at them more closely because that's when I saw the thing in question.

00:06:19That thing we have there, which you will see in different shots, some clearer, some less clear, the photograph

00:06:27The original was really hard to watch.

00:06:29Those girls, if they are indeed girls, were hiding. It's curious, Isabel, because that's precisely the location of that small cemetery.

00:06:37Then we will talk about the history of this cemetery where the remains of a family member rest.

00:06:41Therefore, it must also be said, for those who think that making jokes about a relative's grave is wrong...

00:06:46So it doesn't fit these parameters, right?

00:06:48No, no, and especially not in ours. It doesn't fit because I'm also a very religious person, I have a

00:06:56great respect for all these topics.

00:06:58For a sacred place, as it is said.

00:06:59Because it's a sacred place and more and less, and it's a family member's grave, as you say.

00:07:04So no, it's just that this group of girls has coincidentally emerged right behind them.

00:07:11What do you see? I think each viewer of Cuarto Milenio is going to see something different.

00:07:16But look closely, because you can see the folds of the dresses; they look like girls dressed for their First Communion, from another time.

00:07:21What do you see, Isabel?

00:07:23Well, I see a group of girls who are holding hands and who have a kind of luminosity about them.

00:07:29in the middle.

00:07:30As if they had some sparkles, a reflection.

00:07:35And you can also see another figure that is there, which is not as clear as these, but which

00:07:43It's like it's only half-appeared.

00:07:45Three girls forming a circle, a light, appearing due to the magical situation, perhaps.

00:07:51It was a day, I think a full moon.

00:07:53Full moon.

00:07:53A photographic camera, like any other, a small digital camera.

00:07:57She seems like a mystery.

00:07:59That's where a form of investigation begins.

00:08:01Many things have been said.

00:08:03Since, of course, I had invented this story, or it was a model.

00:08:06A thousand stories, because people certainly have a lot of free time.

00:08:09We don't have it.

00:08:10What we have done is investigate.

00:08:11Turn to the resources of the forensic police.

00:08:14Consult with computer and forensic experts that you will meet.

00:08:18Try to find out, simply, what this is and why.

00:08:21The impact of these photographs in that small town in Ávila has been significant.

00:08:25Especially because many have begun to remember stories from that place.

00:08:30Luis Álvarez is really obsessed with this story.

00:08:32Our reporter has tried to delve deep to uncover the enigma of the Campo Santo.

00:08:38The truth is that he encountered many surprises.

00:08:40Do you want to visit this place?

00:08:41The place of the mystery?

00:08:43Here we go.

00:08:50It's three thirty in the morning.

00:08:53The streets are deserted.

00:08:55And three young people decide to go down to the cemetery, drawn by an old story of children's cries.

00:09:01Equipped with a digital camera, they desecrate the tranquility of this sacred place.

00:09:07Aware of the stories told about the strange phenomena of the Campo Santo,

00:09:11They enter through the south door and take several photographs.

00:09:15They also make a psychophonic recording, which yields no results.

00:09:20Everything seems calm.

00:09:22Back home, after transferring the images to a computer,

00:09:25Isabel García, the aunt of both, encounters an anomaly that shouldn't be there.

00:09:30In the background, among the tombs, under the light of the full moon, something appears.

00:09:43A team from Cuarto Milenio traveled to Navalperal,

00:09:46with the intention of finding an answer for these surprising images,

00:09:50which, when properly clarified, fluidly reflect the bodies of three girls

00:09:55that seem to come from a very distant time.

00:09:57Well, that's amazing to everyone.

00:10:00Because, well, you don't expect it, but they're also very clear for girls, you know?

00:10:04The controversy is served.

00:10:06A few months later, the images were uploaded to the website IkerGiménez.com

00:10:11so that they can be analyzed by any interested IT professional.

00:10:16Many opinions arrive through cyberspace,

00:10:18Meanwhile, in Navalperal, it's all anyone is talking about.

00:10:21despite the fact that up until this broadcast of Cuarto Milenio

00:10:24The location of the events has never been revealed.

00:10:26I saw the photo, as a result of that little commotion.

00:10:32So I went to the town hall and told Paco,

00:10:35I say Paco, I say, take it out there on this website,

00:10:39And I was just as curious before.

00:10:41And of course, we saw that yes, it was Navalperal.

00:10:44Without a doubt, the entrance, the morgue that's there,

00:10:48In other words, we saw that it was indeed Navalperal.

00:10:51As in a blurry memory, upon seeing the image,

00:10:55Some old man claims to recognize the face of a little girl

00:10:58who died accidentally in the 1940s,

00:11:01in the same town square.

00:11:02And I heard that he died in the square,

00:11:05in full right here in front of the town hall,

00:11:10But I don't know any more.

00:11:11He's going to be at the parties,

00:11:13It being the day of Christ,

00:11:14It's gone.

00:11:15It went there, it fell, it fell badly and it got stuck.

00:11:18Well, his name was Antonio,

00:11:20But come on, that's 40,

00:11:22Well, no, not 40 years ago.

00:11:24You remember his face, don't you?

00:11:27Yes, yes.

00:11:27And do you recognize her here, in this image?

00:11:30No, right?

00:11:32Benito knows this cemetery like the back of his hand.

00:11:35He has worked there burying deceased neighbors

00:11:38or in remodeling tasks.

00:11:41The graves of deceased children are easily located.

00:11:45Some, next to the wall,

00:11:47They weren't even baptized.

00:11:49It is a vivid memory that proves

00:11:51how at the beginning of the last century

00:11:53Survival was a matter of luck.

00:11:56But those girls could be real.

00:11:58because there are children's graves.

00:11:59But you're going to do the interest

00:12:00and tiny children's graves

00:12:02that there are many, many small ones.

00:12:03The mass grave was located here.

00:12:05with the remains of many who were shot

00:12:07in the civil war.

00:12:08Naval Peral was a particularly bloody front

00:12:11in the contest.

00:12:12One of the last bastions of resistance

00:12:15before the final collapse

00:12:17of the republic

00:12:18with the fall of Madrid.

00:12:20Benito was in charge of exhuming the remains,

00:12:23group them

00:12:23and bury him in this place.

00:12:25To leave a record

00:12:27of this dark chapter in our history,

00:12:29A plaque was sculpted

00:12:30that still peeks out from the wall.

00:12:32If the photographs are authentic,

00:12:34the three girls

00:12:35they must have appeared

00:12:37a few meters from this same point.

00:12:40But the one in the cemetery

00:12:41It doesn't seem to be the only strange story

00:12:44that has occurred

00:12:45in this small town.

00:12:46Straddling the real

00:12:48and popular legend,

00:12:49We came across the Watchtower mansion,

00:12:52on the outskirts of the town.

00:12:54The Watchtower was a house...

00:12:57Damn, you can't see it anymore...

00:12:59You can't see what that chalet used to be like.

00:13:01But it was a huge chalet,

00:13:03very wealthy people,

00:13:05from the 40s and 50s

00:13:07or before they came to the village

00:13:08and they stop coming

00:13:10because a child fell

00:13:11and he was buried in the crystal.

00:13:13Naval Peral de Pinares

00:13:14It is a town with a great sense of community.

00:13:17of the religious,

00:13:18a deeply rooted spirit

00:13:19that face in each and every one

00:13:21of its inhabitants.

00:13:22I've had to go through it

00:13:23around the cemetery area at night

00:13:25to close some doors

00:13:26so that the cattle would be like that.

00:13:27And I couldn't go down alone.

00:13:29In this area,

00:13:30The locals feel

00:13:31a great respect for their traditions

00:13:33and because of its more recent past.

00:13:35Proof of this

00:13:36It is the ethnological museum

00:13:37which is located on the outskirts,

00:13:39in what in times past

00:13:40the old washhouse,

00:13:42restored today

00:13:42as an exhibition hall.

00:13:45Beyond any speculation

00:13:47or unfounded rumor,

00:13:48This is the story

00:13:49of a town

00:13:50who just wants to know

00:13:51what happened that night

00:13:52in its most sacred place,

00:13:54his cemetery.

00:13:56To know what those figures are

00:13:58that appear in the place

00:14:00where they rest

00:14:01their ancestors.

00:14:02I don't think I know.

00:14:04how to speak

00:14:05In fact, that photograph,

00:14:06how it was formed,

00:14:07If it's a setup,

00:14:09If it isn't,

00:14:09I'm not an expert,

00:14:10I have no idea.

00:14:12For me,

00:14:12that I am an expert,

00:14:13that says

00:14:14This photo is doctored.

00:14:15It's not rigged,

00:14:15or it could have happened,

00:14:17because there are some very strange things

00:14:17that are happening today.

00:14:25Such a simple action,

00:14:26so common,

00:14:27of those that repeat themselves

00:14:28millions of times

00:14:28throughout a single day,

00:14:30like this,

00:14:31take a photo,

00:14:34It triggered the beginning

00:14:35of a true mystery,

00:14:37of a plot,

00:14:37As I said,

00:14:37that has us hooked,

00:14:39to put it mildly,

00:14:41because there are opinions in favor,

00:14:42against,

00:14:43Why at that moment?

00:14:45in that cemetery,

00:14:46why in a certain way

00:14:47so clear,

00:14:48It could be a model,

00:14:49It could be a scam.

00:14:51nowadays,

00:14:51the digital image

00:14:52It certainly allows us

00:14:53to work wonders,

00:14:55however,

00:14:56we are full

00:14:57of doubts,

00:14:58sincerely,

00:14:58we wanted to attend

00:14:59to the specialists,

00:15:01they have been able to see

00:15:01how this small cemetery

00:15:03It has a history

00:15:03behind him,

00:15:04a story full of blood,

00:15:06a story full of,

00:15:07even,

00:15:08burials

00:15:08of newborn children

00:15:09or unbaptized,

00:15:11a history of executions

00:15:12in the civil war,

00:15:13like so many other peoples

00:15:14of this country,

00:15:15marked by pain,

00:15:17And I repeat:

00:15:17a constant of this program,

00:15:19It seems that in the stories

00:15:20of mystery,

00:15:21in the stories

00:15:22where things happen

00:15:22too strange,

00:15:24there is a species

00:15:24of invisible bond

00:15:25that we cannot understand,

00:15:27a tie

00:15:27with a dramatic past,

00:15:29Luis Álvarez,

00:15:30good night,

00:15:31good night,

00:15:31Ezekiel,

00:15:32welcome,

00:15:32Luis,

00:15:33a cemetery,

00:15:33As we say,

00:15:34very special,

00:15:35You were able to go

00:15:36with the photographs in hand,

00:15:38by calling on witnesses,

00:15:40the neighbors,

00:15:40older people

00:15:41from Navalperal,

00:15:42and they've told you stories

00:15:43surprising

00:15:43that may be related

00:15:45with what was obtained

00:15:46for this family.

00:15:48Well,

00:15:48we have indeed gone

00:15:49to the people,

00:15:50we've been talking

00:15:51with all people

00:15:52that we were able to meet,

00:15:53We're talking,

00:15:54Iker,

00:15:54that we went

00:15:55on a daily basis,

00:15:57Navalperal de Pinares,

00:15:58It's a town

00:15:58like anyone else,

00:15:59with, well,

00:16:00well, all the people

00:16:01I was working

00:16:02that morning,

00:16:03and we simply entered

00:16:04in a bar,

00:16:05We were showing

00:16:06the images,

00:16:06Iker,

00:16:07They had already seen them,

00:16:09They knew about these photos,

00:16:10And they were just telling me

00:16:11that in the month of August

00:16:12had been generated

00:16:13a great commotion

00:16:14as a result of the,

00:16:16that they were published

00:16:17on the internet,

00:16:17As I said.

00:16:18Well,

00:16:19in general the whole town

00:16:20I wanted to know

00:16:21What was the origin

00:16:22from these photos,

00:16:23They asked us

00:16:24us.

00:16:24There was curiosity.

00:16:25Yeah,

00:16:26not just curiosity,

00:16:26even,

00:16:27I would say Iker,

00:16:28That's even an obsession.

00:16:29Okay?

00:16:29Because they wanted to know

00:16:30whether it was a fraud or not,

00:16:31We've taken care of it.

00:16:33interviewing everyone

00:16:34the specialists

00:16:35that we have been able to,

00:16:37who could tell us

00:16:38if they were true

00:16:40or they weren't real,

00:16:40whether they were rigged or not.

00:16:41Now let's find out

00:16:42some experts,

00:16:43each with their own different opinion

00:16:45so that you

00:16:45bring yours,

00:16:46his conclusion,

00:16:47which is the one that works for us.

00:16:48Because we really,

00:16:49I'm going to be very honest with you,

00:16:50upon seeing the clarity

00:16:51from the photographs,

00:16:52always the clear photographs,

00:16:54The original is much more difficult

00:16:55to realize,

00:16:56one might even think

00:16:56which is a tomb

00:16:57what appears there,

00:16:58some forms,

00:16:59we think

00:16:59which could be a fraud,

00:17:01Because, damn it,

00:17:02we hadn't seen

00:17:02some photos of ghosts,

00:17:04in quotation marks,

00:17:04so impressive

00:17:05in recent years.

00:17:06And we got to know the family,

00:17:08And we went to the place,

00:17:09and we gained experience,

00:17:10and we went with the team

00:17:11of Millennium 3,

00:17:12and we put it on our website

00:17:13on ikerjimenez.com

00:17:14the photographs

00:17:15available to everyone

00:17:17so that they could analyze them.

00:17:19Our choice was clear,

00:17:20absolute presence

00:17:21of light and shorthand writers

00:17:22to find out what that was.

00:17:24And then the opinions

00:17:25they began to cross paths

00:17:25of all kinds.

00:17:26But what surprised us the most

00:17:28is understanding

00:17:29I saw stories, Luis,

00:17:30like death

00:17:30of some girls,

00:17:32Of course,

00:17:33we cannot say

00:17:33that it is the cause

00:17:34from this photo,

00:17:34not at all,

00:17:35but the death of girls,

00:17:37For example,

00:17:37of communion,

00:17:38at least

00:17:39They are unsettling.

00:17:40That's the first clue

00:17:42that they gave us

00:17:42and that seemed to me

00:17:43especially important

00:17:44as a result of talking

00:17:45with Juan,

00:17:46one of the neighbors

00:17:48of this town,

00:17:48who is also the one in charge,

00:17:51to put it a certain way,

00:17:52the ethnological museum

00:17:53of this town.

00:17:54Wonderful museum,

00:17:55besides.

00:17:55we've already seen it

00:17:57in the report.

00:17:59And well,

00:17:59Well, that's what he was telling us

00:18:01It was speculated

00:18:01with the possibility

00:18:02to the elderly

00:18:03of the town,

00:18:03Iker,

00:18:04they had thought they recognized

00:18:05in this middle girl

00:18:06that we see here,

00:18:07that has a blurry image,

00:18:08but more or less

00:18:09His face is visible,

00:18:10that belonged

00:18:11to a deceased girl,

00:18:12We're not going to give the name

00:18:13out of respect,

00:18:14Iker,

00:18:14who had died

00:18:15around the 1940s

00:18:17in an accident

00:18:18in the town square.

00:18:20She rushed

00:18:21from a high point there,

00:18:23from a small platform

00:18:23and he broke his neck.

00:18:26Well,

00:18:27we were talking

00:18:27with some elderly people,

00:18:28we tried somehow

00:18:29that someone would tell us

00:18:30on camera

00:18:31and in the end

00:18:32we came to the conclusion

00:18:33about what,

00:18:34Well,

00:18:35As I said in August,

00:18:36a huge commotion ensued

00:18:37And there has been a great deal of speculation.

00:18:38with many other things,

00:18:39No?

00:18:40We need to understand

00:18:40that has been generated

00:18:41a sociological phenomenon,

00:18:42I personally

00:18:43I had never had

00:18:44the possibility

00:18:44to see something like that

00:18:45and the people knew

00:18:46When we went there,

00:18:48They were aware of the story,

00:18:50Everyone knew her

00:18:50and there was like a kind

00:18:51of hermetic silence

00:18:52that little by little,

00:18:53as they passed

00:18:54the hours

00:18:55and the days,

00:18:56Once they got to know us,

00:18:58Well,

00:18:58Well, it seems they've left.

00:18:59smoothing out those rough edges

00:19:00And in the end they told us

00:19:01another series of stories.

00:19:02Collaborating with history

00:19:03of that cemetery.

00:19:04Isabel,

00:19:05by the way,

00:19:05We're talking about First Communion Girls,

00:19:071940s

00:19:08one can see

00:19:09And you're going to see it

00:19:10And they're watching it.

00:19:11in different images

00:19:12that he is putting

00:19:13at different times

00:19:14our team

00:19:14from Cuarto Milenio,

00:19:15It's even visible in the folds

00:19:16of that dress,

00:19:18You can even see a bow,

00:19:19It must be said

00:19:19that we have tracked

00:19:20And many people have done it,

00:19:22logically,

00:19:23a photographic image

00:19:25that this scene has

00:19:26of the three girls

00:19:27as if embracing

00:19:28and that it could have been used.

00:19:30To such an extent

00:19:31It is our belief

00:19:32and honesty

00:19:32of this family

00:19:33that we have arrived

00:19:34to think

00:19:34If someone was able to deceive them,

00:19:35He was able to manipulate the photos.

00:19:37It seems that's it.

00:19:38very difficult.

00:19:40Isabel,

00:19:40because one of the biggest scares,

00:19:42I want you to tell me.

00:19:44I have to say it,

00:19:44That's when we get to the cemetery.

00:19:46with the technicians

00:19:47from the SER network,

00:19:48on several trips

00:19:49what we have done,

00:19:49And almost no one has known this,

00:19:51and we realized

00:19:52that in the area

00:19:53where these girls appear

00:19:54and other anomalies

00:19:55that appear on that trip,

00:19:56It is an area

00:19:57with children's graves,

00:19:58many graves of girls,

00:20:00some tombs

00:20:01of several girls,

00:20:02It seems that due to epidemics,

00:20:03all at the beginning of the century,

00:20:04and you give

00:20:05a real leap

00:20:06because you

00:20:07You didn't know that detail.

00:20:09Was it impressive?

00:20:10For you?

00:20:11Yes, yes,

00:20:11clear,

00:20:12It was impressive.

00:20:13because after seeing

00:20:14the photographs

00:20:15that had come out

00:20:16and to know from you

00:20:18that there were so many graves

00:20:19as girls there,

00:20:21well it was

00:20:22as if it were related

00:20:24a little bit of everything,

00:20:25No?

00:20:26That cemetery

00:20:27It's still something special

00:20:28for you,

00:20:29What is the feeling?

00:20:29that you,

00:20:30if you've returned

00:20:32to this place,

00:20:33have?

00:20:34Well,

00:20:35Well, now it's different.

00:20:36completely,

00:20:37clear,

00:20:37after watching

00:20:38the photographs,

00:20:39well,

00:20:40You're going with a little more

00:20:41of, well,

00:20:42You always carry respect,

00:20:43clear,

00:20:44but you go

00:20:45a little wary,

00:20:47No?

00:20:47Have they told you anything?

00:20:48in the village,

00:20:49Isabel?

00:20:49Have people reached out to you?

00:20:51to involve

00:20:53of other secrets,

00:20:54from other stories,

00:20:54as Luis recounted,

00:20:55of some strange events

00:20:56that could be related

00:20:57with this story?

00:20:59I spoke with Juan,

00:21:01specifically with the person

00:21:02What Luis said,

00:21:03from the museum,

00:21:04and he was telling me

00:21:06Yes, indeed.

00:21:08that the people of the town

00:21:09I had thought I saw

00:21:11in this photograph

00:21:13to a girl

00:21:14who died

00:21:15from an accident

00:21:17in the town

00:21:18and well,

00:21:19well,

00:21:19more or less

00:21:20what Luis has said.

00:21:21There is a story

00:21:21even

00:21:22from a lady

00:21:23so they can see

00:21:23that in this cemetery

00:21:25really, then,

00:21:25Well, anything can happen.

00:21:27But as it happens

00:21:28in cemeteries

00:21:29from many other points.

00:21:30What happens

00:21:30It's a place

00:21:30that, honestly,

00:21:31We have a lot of respect for him.

00:21:33Too often

00:21:34We try not to go to him.

00:21:36It's a little bit too

00:21:37the presence,

00:21:37the call of death

00:21:38that we deny

00:21:39in this society.

00:21:40There is a lady

00:21:41which said incorrupt

00:21:42that they took out

00:21:43in certain processions

00:21:44some very intense stories

00:21:45in such a small area.

00:21:46Yes, yes, yes.

00:21:47There's like a central chapel

00:21:49where she is buried

00:21:51a lady

00:21:52which is the one that donated

00:21:53the land

00:21:54to do there

00:21:55the cemetery

00:21:56and that they were taking her out.

00:21:58All Saints' Day

00:21:59They were raising it

00:22:00And apparently,

00:22:01Then I found out

00:22:02through your program

00:22:04who is also buried

00:22:05the husband.

00:22:06I didn't know that.

00:22:07I want you to listen

00:22:08to the other document

00:22:09Because I'm being honest with you.

00:22:11We were thinking

00:22:11that has to have

00:22:12an explanation,

00:22:13a photographic error,

00:22:15a non-manipulation

00:22:17because we don't believe

00:22:17that has been manipulated

00:22:18but it has happened

00:22:19something natural,

00:22:20Well, let's go there.

00:22:21with all means.

00:22:22They are viewing images

00:22:23of the deployment that it makes

00:22:23Millennium 3

00:22:24from the SER network

00:22:25with the technicians,

00:22:26with the head of programs,

00:22:27Javier Rodríguez,

00:22:29Mariano Revilla,

00:22:30a whole team

00:22:30of people

00:22:31that have been going on for decades

00:22:32working with sound.

00:22:34The surprise we got

00:22:35It's capitalized.

00:22:36There are several recordings

00:22:37that I want them to listen to

00:22:38with us

00:22:38and that they feel

00:22:40on the spot

00:22:41where they occurred.

00:22:42Recordings that the experts

00:22:44They would say psychophonies,

00:22:44We didn't go that far,

00:22:46It's simply what they could do

00:22:46record our microphones

00:22:48high sensitivity.

00:22:51Listen.

00:23:01We have heard

00:23:02the choir of voices

00:23:04of some girls

00:23:05or some children

00:23:06that is obtained

00:23:06at 2:13 in the morning.

00:23:08I assure you

00:23:09that in absolute silence

00:23:10It is an isolated cemetery.

00:23:11of the population

00:23:12next to a road

00:23:13sepulchral silence

00:23:15Never a truer word spoken

00:23:16and suddenly

00:23:16a children's choir

00:23:17which for some screams

00:23:19potato,

00:23:19for others, mom, mom

00:23:22Luis, curiously

00:23:23a circle,

00:23:24the same as appears

00:23:25in the photographs.

00:23:26In fact,

00:23:26some neighbors

00:23:27They told us

00:23:27It seems that the girls

00:23:29They're playing a game,

00:23:30a rather old game,

00:23:32maybe it's no longer played

00:23:33to this,

00:23:33during recess

00:23:34and in schools,

00:23:36But it does seem like it,

00:23:37Iker,

00:23:37They are 3 girls

00:23:38playing ring-around-the-rosy

00:23:39of the potato.

00:23:40It's curious.

00:23:40I also want

00:23:41that they listen

00:23:42the following recording

00:23:43because it showed us

00:23:45than on other occasions

00:23:47the voices

00:23:48even appeared

00:23:49in the recording

00:23:50from the video camera,

00:23:51not on minidiscs,

00:23:53but while we

00:23:53We were there.

00:23:55I want you to understand

00:23:56that both Nacho

00:23:57like Victor,

00:23:57Isabel's nephews,

00:23:59like Isabel,

00:23:59like the whole team,

00:24:00we went again,

00:24:02We played it again

00:24:03the scene of the events,

00:24:04We went through it step by step,

00:24:06with millimeter precision,

00:24:06We saw the lighting conditions,

00:24:08we wanted to know

00:24:08It might be an optical illusion.

00:24:10And voices

00:24:11that were not

00:24:11none of them

00:24:12of us

00:24:13They were sneaking in.

00:24:14They were sneaking in.

00:24:15and sometimes

00:24:16It seems they were saying

00:24:17things that had

00:24:18What to see.

00:24:19When Mariano Revilla

00:24:20She talks about three girls

00:24:21describing the scene,

00:24:22a very clear voice

00:24:23of woman

00:24:23or as a girl

00:24:25says

00:24:25No, no.

00:24:27Let's listen to her.

00:24:29Three girls playing,

00:24:31three girls playing,

00:24:33Three girls playing.

00:24:36Finally,

00:24:37I want them to listen

00:24:38another voice,

00:24:39another psychophonic insertion.

00:24:41It's also peculiar

00:24:42note that,

00:24:43as in others

00:24:43many great cases

00:24:44of the mysteries,

00:24:45assuming this

00:24:46may it be a genuine mystery

00:24:47and let's not be facing a mistake

00:24:48from which, well,

00:24:49We'll have to clear things up.

00:24:50have occurred

00:24:51when in cemeteries

00:24:52The pieces have been removed.

00:24:54It's true,

00:24:54That's right,

00:24:54It sounds like a movie,

00:24:55But that's just how it is.

00:24:56When one goes to the biography

00:24:57of the major cases,

00:24:58We have brought books

00:24:59ancient,

00:25:00on the threshold of the invisible,

00:25:01wonderful phenomena

00:25:02from beyond,

00:25:03spiritualist phenomena,

00:25:04they attracted attention

00:25:05in Spain

00:25:05since the beginning of the century.

00:25:07And the investigations

00:25:08they demonstrated

00:25:09that in many places

00:25:10where things would later happen,

00:25:12there had been

00:25:12a change of graves,

00:25:13a renewed land,

00:25:15This also happened here.

00:25:16But the big surprise

00:25:17that was when

00:25:18when we announced

00:25:19These photographs,

00:25:20EVP recordings arrived

00:25:21from other friends

00:25:22that years before

00:25:23of us,

00:25:24being there

00:25:25in that small cemetery,

00:25:27had obtained

00:25:27some curious insertions.

00:25:30We only put one,

00:25:31one that is a voice

00:25:32also a little tormented,

00:25:33that arises suddenly

00:25:35And what does it say?

00:25:36as always the author

00:25:37from this recording,

00:25:38He's dead, just like me.

00:25:50Psychophonic recordings,

00:25:51paranormal insertions,

00:25:52We don't know.

00:25:53There they are,

00:25:53and they happened there,

00:25:54We can vouch for that.

00:25:55They have an explanation,

00:25:56We don't know.

00:25:57Do they have anything to do with each other?

00:25:58with the photographs,

00:25:58with those girls,

00:25:59with history

00:25:59of the accidents

00:26:01or crimes that occurred there?

00:26:02We don't know either.

00:26:04We wanted to ask

00:26:05to a sound specialist,

00:26:06to the chain technician

00:26:07to be Javier Rodríguez.

00:26:08He was there,

00:26:09investigating,

00:26:10He was among the tombs,

00:26:11He placed the microphones

00:26:12and gives us his opinion

00:26:13about these mysterious voices.

00:26:18Well, in the atmosphere

00:26:18There was nothing but sounds

00:26:20from some passing car,

00:26:24a few gusts of wind,

00:26:25But nothing,

00:26:27some barking dog,

00:26:28But nothing.

00:26:28The people who were there,

00:26:29We were in absolute silence.

00:26:31We've been here for about a quarter to twelve.

00:26:33at night,

00:26:33We prepare the equipment

00:26:34and we went inside the cemetery.

00:26:38I personally went directly

00:26:39to the same grave

00:26:41where the girls had appeared

00:26:44And then I started recording a mini-disc

00:26:48with a microphone

00:26:49and I left it for almost an hour and a half

00:26:52that we're still there.

00:26:55He also carried a video camera.

00:26:56which he was placing in different places,

00:26:59mainly to pick up sound.

00:27:01On the video camera I was carrying

00:27:03It is captured as a small melody,

00:27:07But we don't know what it is.

00:27:09because there was no music of any kind there

00:27:11nor anything,

00:27:11only ambient car sound

00:27:13and nothing more.

00:27:15It wasn't my first experience.

00:27:17And I was truly surprised.

00:27:20Furthermore, at that site

00:27:22as if you were being constantly watched.

00:27:25It's a strange feeling.

00:27:35And now let us make a stop along the way

00:27:38of this monograph on spectra,

00:27:40although we're really going to keep talking

00:27:41of these strange apparitions.

00:27:43Let me explain.

00:27:44Many things happen every seven days.

00:27:47Recently, in Mexico,

00:27:48A video has surfaced

00:27:49I don't know how to define it.

00:27:50Carmen Porter, good evening.

00:27:51Good evening, Siquer.

00:27:52Many viewers were putting us

00:27:54on the trail of this video

00:27:56that you are now beginning to see.

00:27:58A city in Mexico,

00:28:01This is Mérida,

00:28:02there a collaborating researcher

00:28:03of this program,

00:28:04Miguel Iturria,

00:28:05He gave us the information

00:28:07that two children were playing

00:28:08with a ball.

00:28:10One of them lets slip

00:28:12And as you can see right now,

00:28:14a hand that emerges

00:28:15of a kind of stick

00:28:18that's in the middle of that street,

00:28:20A very long hand appears,

00:28:22a bald head,

00:28:24who grabs his arm.

00:28:25It's a very strange figure.

00:28:27Measures have been taken,

00:28:28interventions have even been carried out

00:28:28police experts

00:28:30who work with the police

00:28:31Because, well,

00:28:32It might be a joke.

00:28:33That mobile phone

00:28:34It was recorded with a mobile phone.

00:28:35in the month of August,

00:28:37It does not have a pause option

00:28:39And it seems that in Mexico

00:28:40At least that's what they say

00:28:41that there is no fraud.

00:28:41Therefore,

00:28:42Who is that individual?

00:28:43An overly narrow individual

00:28:45to appear behind

00:28:46From a lamppost, right?

00:28:47Yes, also,

00:28:48The arms have been measured

00:28:49and it has been calculated

00:28:50between the site that there is

00:28:52from the lamppost

00:28:53to the road

00:28:54which one he is going

00:28:55this boy

00:28:56that there are approximately

00:28:57one meter twenty centimeters,

00:28:59an extremely long arm

00:29:00and a person

00:29:01that he shouldn't be there,

00:29:03as on other occasions

00:29:04It has happened with photographs

00:29:05that you have sent us

00:29:06to Cuarto Milenio.

00:29:07Just kidding.

00:29:08a fraud,

00:29:09Definitely a video

00:29:10amazing,

00:29:10Mexico,

00:29:11Mérida,

00:29:11the researchers

00:29:12They're throwing things at each other.

00:29:13at the head

00:29:14because some people think

00:29:15which could be a setup

00:29:16and others that it is impossible.

00:29:17Who is that being?

00:29:18and why was he hiding?

00:29:19in that alley

00:29:20from a suburb of Mérida?

00:29:22But there's much more news,

00:29:23There are other careers,

00:29:23not with so much panic

00:29:25like these boys,

00:29:26but to search

00:29:27good luck,

00:29:28Carmen.

00:29:29Two thousand Japanese

00:29:30have gathered

00:29:31early hours

00:29:31a.m.

00:29:32in a sacred place

00:29:33and all to achieve

00:29:35good fortune.

00:29:36In this temple

00:29:37dedicated to the god

00:29:38Sevisú,

00:29:39He was born in the 15th century

00:29:40the tradition

00:29:41that one day a year

00:29:42the faithful

00:29:43They challenged each other

00:29:43to see which one of them

00:29:44I used to go in earlier

00:29:45in the holy place

00:29:46and pray thus

00:29:47their prayers.

00:29:48Over time

00:29:49this became

00:29:50in a competition

00:29:50And that was more than 200 years ago.

00:29:52that is celebrated

00:29:53This curious race

00:29:54in which the winner

00:29:55obtains good fortune

00:29:57for a whole year.

00:29:59And who hasn't had

00:30:00good fortune

00:30:01without a doubt

00:30:01It was the unscrupulous ones

00:30:03who have pretended to be

00:30:03by exorcists,

00:30:05Some have performed exorcisms,

00:30:06Others have been imprisoned

00:30:07Therefore.

00:30:08It's sad, Carmen.

00:30:09but we always end up counting

00:30:10these news

00:30:11every seven days.

00:30:12We need to move

00:30:13to the Argentinian town

00:30:15from Villa Lanús.

00:30:16There a girl

00:30:1715 years old

00:30:18has been suffering

00:30:18starting this Christmas

00:30:19terrible convulsions

00:30:21and attacks

00:30:22that they think

00:30:23that are from the devil.

00:30:24Apparently

00:30:25the girl began

00:30:26to find bad

00:30:27after a session

00:30:28of spiritualism

00:30:28in which it was invoked

00:30:29to Satan.

00:30:30A few days later

00:30:31left his home

00:30:32as if he were in ecstasy

00:30:33and it went directly

00:30:35to the house

00:30:35from your neighbor

00:30:36Rafael Menéndez

00:30:37which just happens

00:30:38that possesses the image

00:30:39of a plaster virgin

00:30:40that for a year

00:30:42She is crying

00:30:42tears of blood.

00:30:43The young woman began

00:30:44to talk

00:30:45with a hoarse voice

00:30:46and at that moment

00:30:47his neighbor Rafael

00:30:48fell to the ground

00:30:49with tremendous convulsions.

00:30:50We can see

00:30:51in the images

00:30:52the scratches

00:30:53that an invisible hand

00:30:54a claw

00:30:55performed on his body.

00:30:56By the way

00:30:57as we were saying

00:30:57than in Belgium

00:30:58There have also been

00:30:59a person being prosecuted

00:31:00for performing exorcism rituals.

00:31:02A Belgian court

00:31:03has condemned

00:31:03five years in prison

00:31:05to a character

00:31:06who pretended

00:31:07by an exorcist.

00:31:08He carried out

00:31:09an exorcism

00:31:10to a young woman

00:31:1122 years old

00:31:11which ended

00:31:12causing his death.

00:31:14Apparently

00:31:14the young woman's father-in-law

00:31:15contract

00:31:16to Abdeslam Mucid

00:31:17so that he would perform

00:31:18an exorcism

00:31:19to the girl

00:31:19that for months

00:31:20I had marital problems

00:31:21with his son.

00:31:22The Exorcist

00:31:23forced the victim

00:31:24to ingest 11 liters

00:31:25water

00:31:26and after each drink

00:31:27he put his fingers in

00:31:28in the throat

00:31:29of the woman.

00:31:30After five hours had passed

00:31:31the relatives

00:31:32they finally decided

00:31:32call the health authorities

00:31:34so that they would attend

00:31:36to the young woman

00:31:37But she was already dead.

00:31:39Terrible news.

00:31:40By the way

00:31:41which we now continue

00:31:41with history

00:31:42of those photographs

00:31:43that have revolutionized

00:31:45to this team.

00:31:46Let's try

00:31:47to discover the whole truth.

00:31:49The truth about computers

00:31:49with experts

00:31:51with analysts

00:31:51we're on the trail

00:31:53from some photographs

00:31:54amazing.

00:32:17For a whole year

00:32:18these photographs

00:32:19of the cemetery

00:32:20from Navalperal

00:32:20have traveled

00:32:21all types of laboratories

00:32:23information places

00:32:25computing

00:32:26hands of analysts

00:32:27people who have tried

00:32:28decipher

00:32:29How could this have happened?

00:32:29that creation

00:32:31what has been done

00:32:31what has stopped being done

00:32:32They are authentic

00:32:33They are not

00:32:33Everything seems very complicated.

00:32:35initially

00:32:35Nothing is that simple.

00:32:36how to say

00:32:37Well, it's cut off here.

00:32:38and it's stuck

00:32:38It's more

00:32:39I want them to see

00:32:41a document

00:32:42Home Office

00:32:43Civil Guard

00:32:44General Directorate

00:32:45I was writing it

00:32:46José Antonio García Sánchez Molero

00:32:48He is the chief colonel.

00:32:49from the forensics service

00:32:50which was one of the first

00:32:51high authorities

00:32:52who had access

00:32:53to these photographs

00:32:54and very surprised

00:32:55they spoke

00:32:56that it is very difficult

00:32:57determine

00:32:57authenticity

00:32:58of digital photography

00:33:00and they left

00:33:01step to that

00:33:02above all

00:33:03if the alleged setup

00:33:04in case there were

00:33:05has been done

00:33:06with the necessary care

00:33:08the truth is that

00:33:09after much analysis

00:33:11They haven't arrived

00:33:11to a specific determination

00:33:12they don't know

00:33:13how it was done

00:33:14exactly

00:33:15that setup

00:33:16I also have to say

00:33:17that a large part

00:33:18from the analysts

00:33:19who have seen the photographs

00:33:20They agree that

00:33:20if it's a setup

00:33:21It's a setup.

00:33:22excellent

00:33:23a setup in which

00:33:23A lot of work has been done

00:33:24for a long time

00:33:25to see that effect

00:33:26But that's not it.

00:33:28we have invited

00:33:29to Eugenio Picón

00:33:30computer analyst

00:33:32computer engineer

00:33:33and expert

00:33:34in expert reports

00:33:34judicial

00:33:35that is to say

00:33:37photos that

00:33:37can end

00:33:38if a trial

00:33:39It goes to one side

00:33:39or towards another

00:33:40and therefore

00:33:40we consider him

00:33:41suitable person

00:33:41to give us some information

00:33:43supplementary

00:33:43Very interesting information

00:33:45This is worthy of CSI.

00:33:46Eugenio

00:33:46welcome

00:33:47good night

00:33:47thank you so much

00:33:48these photographs

00:33:49at the very least surprising

00:33:50It must be said

00:33:51I certainly didn't know that.

00:33:52than what we see today

00:33:53It's a photograph

00:33:54But there's like a kind of

00:33:55of card

00:33:55internal identity

00:33:56text information

00:33:57which is what the specialists

00:33:59you control and manage

00:34:00indeed

00:34:01all digital photos

00:34:03it remains

00:34:04a computer file

00:34:06a computer file

00:34:08because it stores

00:34:09lots of information

00:34:09that at first glance

00:34:11it doesn't have to be seen

00:34:13It would be enough to open

00:34:14the file

00:34:16from the image

00:34:17with a processor

00:34:18of texts

00:34:18and that they appeared

00:34:19characters only

00:34:20or words

00:34:21in that information

00:34:22which already appears

00:34:23readable by people

00:34:24because it can be interpreted

00:34:26lots of data

00:34:26in the information

00:34:27about photography

00:34:28of these three

00:34:29hypothetical

00:34:30ghostly images

00:34:31of the girls from the cemetery

00:34:32You have found data

00:34:34at least dignified

00:34:35to keep in mind

00:34:35No?

00:34:36Yeah

00:34:38information relating

00:34:39to a program

00:34:40which is called

00:34:41Adobe Photoshop

00:34:42that is dedicated

00:34:43to retouch the photos

00:34:44appear within

00:34:45of that computer file

00:34:46you at the judicial level

00:34:48Let's put it this way

00:34:48we are determining

00:34:49Well, one question

00:34:51of any kind

00:34:52What would you rule?

00:34:53about this photograph?

00:34:55Your suspicions

00:34:56are enough

00:34:56food for thought

00:34:57that something was modified

00:34:58that was restructured

00:34:59somehow?

00:34:59I would indicate

00:35:00that photo

00:35:01has happened

00:35:02through a program

00:35:03photo retouching

00:35:04the one that has been modified

00:35:06I wouldn't know.

00:35:08if they have been included

00:35:09some girls

00:35:10or have they changed

00:35:11some letters

00:35:11from a tomb

00:35:12I wouldn't know.

00:35:13clear

00:35:13any information

00:35:14supplementary

00:35:15not the girls

00:35:16that it be modified

00:35:17It also appears there

00:35:19No?

00:35:19indeed

00:35:20any information

00:35:21that it be modified

00:35:21in a pure image

00:35:23brought from a digital camera

00:35:25the information

00:35:26of a program

00:35:27photo retouching

00:35:28It shouldn't appear

00:35:29No, it would never appear.

00:35:31if it's a setup

00:35:32to put ourselves in the situation

00:35:33that this may have been

00:35:34a setup

00:35:35I repeat

00:35:35that honesty

00:35:36of this family

00:35:37It is beyond doubt

00:35:37that someone

00:35:38may have been able to deceive them

00:35:39to intervene in these photographs

00:35:40at some point

00:35:41of this process

00:35:43Would you consider it?

00:35:44Very well done?

00:35:44really made?

00:35:45The truth is, I don't understand.

00:35:47I don't understand

00:35:48quality

00:35:49of photographs

00:35:50I see this image

00:35:52I haven't analyzed it

00:35:53according to the images

00:35:55I have analyzed it

00:35:55according to the text

00:35:56that stores the file

00:35:58in that text

00:35:59retouching appears

00:36:00Eugenio

00:36:01Well, we thank you.

00:36:02lot

00:36:02this concrete vision

00:36:04This call

00:36:06alert

00:36:06about specific data

00:36:08that only specialists

00:36:09they can see

00:36:09and that they have made us see

00:36:11excellent

00:36:11that all this

00:36:11It's much more complex.

00:36:12Eugenio Picón

00:36:14thanks a lot

00:36:14Thank you for your participation

00:36:15on Fourth Millennium

00:36:16Thank you for inviting me

00:36:16Let's see

00:36:18if you agree

00:36:18the moment

00:36:19in which

00:36:21we recreated

00:36:21with the whole family

00:36:22the exact place

00:36:23the light point

00:36:25how

00:36:25were taken out

00:36:26those were times

00:36:27impressive

00:36:28for us

00:36:28in the middle of the night

00:36:29in that place

00:36:30right where they came out

00:36:31the three girls

00:36:32we try to do

00:36:32all kinds of tests

00:36:33and so much Nacho

00:36:34like Victor

00:36:35photographers

00:36:35they reminded us

00:36:36in detail

00:36:37their big surprise

00:36:38Nacho is more like him

00:36:39person of temperament

00:36:40completely skeptical

00:36:40He says he can't believe it

00:36:42And he is the author of the photo

00:36:43There must have been some mistake.

00:36:44that something has happened

00:36:45we were there

00:36:46and of course

00:36:47what we were able to verify

00:36:47It's that there's no optical effect.

00:36:49no brightness

00:36:50no tomb

00:36:51no species

00:36:52of natural anomaly

00:36:53could generate

00:36:54this mysterious effect

00:37:04Then it was like this:

00:37:06about 20 photos

00:37:09There was a full one

00:37:10It looked quite

00:37:11but in the photo

00:37:12once viewed through the viewfinder

00:37:13from the camera

00:37:14It wasn't visible either.

00:37:15big deal

00:37:18I'm looking at the computer

00:37:19And I didn't see any appreciation either.

00:37:20initially

00:37:21nothing

00:37:24I sent them

00:37:24to my aunt

00:37:25that was already

00:37:26the one who actually saw

00:37:26the thing in question

00:37:29that image

00:37:30strange

00:37:31that appears

00:37:31that is unknown

00:37:32exactly what it is

00:37:34Where do you think

00:37:35What appears more or less?

00:37:37attached to the wall?

00:37:37I don't think so

00:37:38that are a little closer

00:37:39right behind that cross

00:37:41I think it will be

00:37:41a couple of meters

00:37:42of the wall

00:37:43maybe

00:37:45attached to the wall

00:37:46It seems not.

00:37:47that is not

00:37:55I hope that at this

00:37:57hours of the night

00:37:57are engrossed

00:37:58already in our plot

00:37:59that really

00:38:00we cannot solve

00:38:01definitely

00:38:02as we would like

00:38:03sincerely

00:38:04we long to know

00:38:05What are those girls?

00:38:06why do they appear

00:38:08then

00:38:08Why in that place?

00:38:09And why these protagonists?

00:38:10Because it's clear

00:38:11that we were

00:38:12and it didn't happen

00:38:14we actually did

00:38:15all types of photographs

00:38:16It has to do with

00:38:17with the moon

00:38:17in the sense

00:38:18of a luminosity

00:38:18different

00:38:19but it looks like a reflection

00:38:20too spectacular

00:38:21the one that arises

00:38:22in those photographs

00:38:23from the cemetery

00:38:24from Navalperal

00:38:24not everything is so clear

00:38:26and look

00:38:27we have invited

00:38:27to Javier Pagés

00:38:28computer science graduate

00:38:29specialist

00:38:30in information

00:38:32computer forensics

00:38:33their website

00:38:34inforenses.com

00:38:35specialist

00:38:36in jobs

00:38:37extremely important

00:38:38at this level

00:38:39and also

00:38:40He is the president

00:38:40of the association

00:38:42of engineers

00:38:43in computer science

00:38:43AI Squared

00:38:44Welcome Javier

00:38:45good night

00:38:46good night

00:38:46They arrived

00:38:47the photographs

00:38:48were you able to analyze them

00:38:49your first impression

00:38:53the first impression

00:38:54the thing is

00:38:54the level of quality

00:38:55from the photograph

00:38:57It raises many questions.

00:38:58to treat

00:38:59to recognize

00:38:59if there has been manipulation

00:39:01or not

00:39:01after doing

00:39:03some study

00:39:04some more

00:39:04in detail

00:39:05the conclusion

00:39:06which one arrives

00:39:06because they have been altered

00:39:07with a program

00:39:08photo retouching

00:39:09specifically

00:39:09Adobe Photoshop

00:39:10the Windows version

00:39:13but that

00:39:13does not mean

00:39:14that it has been retouched

00:39:15the photograph

00:39:16but it has been

00:39:17edited and saved

00:39:18with a program

00:39:20photographic

00:39:20which

00:39:21from the point of view

00:39:22forensic

00:39:22makes

00:39:24if this

00:39:25outside a trial

00:39:26It would be a test

00:39:26dismissed

00:39:27because it has been

00:39:28altered

00:39:29the original test

00:39:31That could have been it.

00:39:32simply

00:39:33for the attempt

00:39:35to reduce

00:39:36the size

00:39:37from the image

00:39:37to send it

00:39:38by email

00:39:38For example

00:39:39That would make it appear

00:39:40a modification

00:39:41in fact appears

00:39:43that photo

00:39:45has been created

00:39:46by Adobe Photoshop

00:39:47if that photo

00:39:48would have been

00:39:49extracted directly

00:39:50of the camera

00:39:51would not appear

00:39:52that information

00:39:52So that

00:39:53It gives rise to doubt

00:39:55or question

00:39:55legal validity

00:39:57or legal

00:39:58It must be said

00:39:59Javier at this point

00:39:59and to leave it

00:40:00everything is clear

00:40:01than the camera

00:40:04Well, similar to this

00:40:04another trademark

00:40:06but similar to this

00:40:07has a series

00:40:08of problems

00:40:09also afterwards

00:40:09the graphics card

00:40:10where they appear

00:40:11those photos

00:40:12They send them to you

00:40:14You already open them

00:40:14with a program

00:40:15that appears

00:40:16let's say marked

00:40:17on that card

00:40:17identity

00:40:18from the photograph

00:40:18therefore

00:40:19we would already have that process

00:40:20that is to say

00:40:21you already

00:40:22you have

00:40:24command

00:40:24from one to the other

00:40:25the photographs

00:40:26is your daughter

00:40:27who takes them out

00:40:27on a computer

00:40:28Let's put it this way

00:40:29she sees them

00:40:30and then you

00:40:30when you realize

00:40:32That's how the process works

00:40:32No

00:40:33He was the one who

00:40:35on your computer

00:40:36put

00:40:37the card

00:40:39then

00:40:39He sent me

00:40:40the photos

00:40:41She sent them to me

00:40:42one by one

00:40:42because they took up a lot of space

00:40:44and she sent them to me

00:40:46and my daughter

00:40:46then he passed them on

00:40:47to our

00:40:48one of the things

00:40:49that has called the most

00:40:49attention

00:40:50also from other analysts

00:40:50That's it

00:40:52that there is no cut

00:40:53of these figures

00:40:54that there is no manipulation either

00:40:55blurring

00:40:56of the figures

00:40:57and that the plot

00:40:58is similar

00:40:59you watching this

00:41:00These would be evidence in favor

00:41:01at least to say

00:41:02whether it's a fraud

00:41:03It's a very complex fraud.

00:41:04or at least elaborate

00:41:05It's a very good one.

00:41:06The problem is that

00:41:07computer tools

00:41:08current retouching

00:41:09or photographic handling

00:41:10They are very good.

00:41:11and each time it is relatively

00:41:13easier to do it

00:41:13Now this is a

00:41:15I would be

00:41:16of being

00:41:16very good handling

00:41:18There is something else

00:41:18which we have kept secret

00:41:20until now

00:41:20Isabel

00:41:21before this photograph

00:41:22that is to say

00:41:24a few steps

00:41:25previously

00:41:26to arrive

00:41:27or that they arrive

00:41:29Nacho and Miguel

00:41:30whom I previously called Victor

00:41:31Nacho and Miguel

00:41:32to that specific point

00:41:33There had been another photo

00:41:35another surprise

00:41:37He looks like a child

00:41:39clear

00:41:39also the printing

00:41:40after seeing these photographs

00:41:42He looks like a child to one.

00:41:43anything

00:41:43I've even thought

00:41:44sincerely

00:41:45which is the back of the cemetery

00:41:47But I don't know.

00:41:48He looks like a child

00:41:49sinking into a grave

00:41:50a child with hair

00:41:50lopsided

00:41:51a child from another era

00:41:53Look at these images

00:42:04two minutes earlier

00:42:05from obtaining

00:42:05of the already famous

00:42:06photograph of the girls

00:42:07of the three girls

00:42:08in a circle

00:42:10another one appears

00:42:11almost imperceptible

00:42:13hidden

00:42:13in the darkness

00:42:14of the cemetery

00:42:15You're the first one you see

00:42:16the face

00:42:17of a child

00:42:19apparently

00:42:19It's the first one I saw

00:42:22What was your feeling?

00:42:23What did you see?

00:42:23well, in principle

00:42:25upon seeing her for the first time

00:42:27I didn't see anything

00:42:28but then when I looked at her

00:42:30more closely

00:42:31I saw then

00:42:32what it seems

00:42:33like a bust

00:42:34that in principle

00:42:37you could think

00:42:38which was a bust

00:42:39that there was

00:42:39on a tombstone

00:42:41but then getting closer

00:42:43I saw that no

00:42:43which was

00:42:44like a face

00:42:45a child

00:42:47Javier even

00:42:47you have detected

00:42:48other anomalies

00:42:49in this photograph

00:42:50anomalies already

00:42:50within curiosity

00:42:52what it seems

00:42:52that there are more expensive

00:42:53I'm telling you

00:42:53because many people

00:42:54many expert analysts

00:42:55in the photo of the girls

00:42:56and surely

00:42:57right now

00:42:57many people

00:42:58of fourth millennium

00:42:58it's already

00:43:00sending us communication

00:43:01via email

00:43:01because it looks

00:43:02another fourth figure

00:43:03We haven't said anything.

00:43:04but many people

00:43:05see a fourth figure

00:43:05here with the child

00:43:06in quotation marks

00:43:07the child

00:43:07Something similar also happens

00:43:08No?

00:43:09You could get here

00:43:10to think

00:43:10that next

00:43:11of that figure

00:43:12another side appears

00:43:13quite a bit more

00:43:15difficult to see

00:43:15but I think

00:43:16that maybe

00:43:17It is important

00:43:18or significant

00:43:20highlighting as if

00:43:21It would look like the photo

00:43:22of a bust

00:43:22but what comes out

00:43:24of the gravestone

00:43:24and it lacks

00:43:25the body

00:43:26You can see up to the shoulder

00:43:28so

00:43:29I don't know

00:43:30It also catches your attention

00:43:31that detail

00:43:31No?

00:43:31attracts attention

00:43:32that is

00:43:33very significant

00:43:34It's that in this photograph

00:43:36There is a lot of light

00:43:37of the moon

00:43:38It was a full moon.

00:43:38as you can see

00:43:39at the top

00:43:40from the photograph

00:43:41and even

00:43:42the letters on the tombstone

00:43:44that's in the foreground

00:43:45are reflected

00:43:46perfectly

00:43:47at the base of the gravestone

00:43:48from the tomb

00:43:50That implies

00:43:51that has been done

00:43:51a photographic

00:43:52very good presentation

00:43:54with tripod

00:43:55a night shot

00:43:56pretty good

00:43:58that is not reflected

00:43:59with quality

00:44:00with which he has arrived

00:44:01the photograph

00:44:01to your analysis

00:44:02that is to say

00:44:03This leads one to suppose

00:44:05that photograph

00:44:06taken in reality

00:44:07with very good quality

00:44:07whatever it is we have received

00:44:09us

00:44:10has been reduced

00:44:11at its level of quality

00:44:12It may be because of sending it

00:44:13to the email address

00:44:14or for any reason

00:44:15which may have

00:44:17in fact

00:44:18much information removed

00:44:19to make it more

00:44:20more compact

00:44:21that could be

00:44:23very important

00:44:23for this

00:44:23There's one last detail

00:44:25Xavier

00:44:25I would like to ask you

00:44:26which also attracted attention

00:44:27first of our computer technicians

00:44:28Guillermo León

00:44:28which is that the three girls

00:44:30from the cemetery

00:44:31And we discovered this

00:44:32being with the family there

00:44:33first

00:44:33the attitude

00:44:34of the García Peña family

00:44:36I can assure you

00:44:37And that's what it says.

00:44:37which is not the one of

00:44:38who commits fraud

00:44:39We have encountered many frauds

00:44:40throughout these years

00:44:41and nobody commits fraud

00:44:43It gives you its details

00:44:43is at your disposal

00:44:45It takes you to the place

00:44:46performs the relevant tests

00:44:47to see if anything comes of it or not

00:44:49and above all

00:44:50is surprised

00:44:50with the data

00:44:51that we were giving them

00:44:52one of them was a cross

00:44:53an old cross

00:44:55iron

00:44:56which precisely

00:44:57It is the family member's grave.

00:44:58Right, Isabel?

00:45:00that cross

00:45:00is only visible

00:45:01in the cemetery

00:45:02in that position

00:45:04and appeared

00:45:05among the girls

00:45:06appears in a way

00:45:07well, almost very subtle

00:45:09that cross

00:45:11already blackened

00:45:12due to the passage of time

00:45:12somehow

00:45:13because it's been there for a while now

00:45:14and

00:45:15it is reflected

00:45:17above

00:45:17of the girls

00:45:19we thought at first

00:45:20whether it was a fraud

00:45:21whether someone had cut

00:45:22those girls and stuck

00:45:23He wasn't going to bother

00:45:24to cover a cross

00:45:25that is only visible

00:45:26if one goes there

00:45:27and proves it

00:45:27to trick a program

00:45:29television

00:45:29or in our case

00:45:30a radio program

00:45:31would not have been taken

00:45:32nobody those problems

00:45:33however

00:45:34That's also true, Javier.

00:45:34It needs to be made clear

00:45:35that this could be done

00:45:36doing the process

00:45:37conversely

00:45:38indeed

00:45:39It can be done

00:45:40instead of overlapping

00:45:41the image of the girls

00:45:42in another photograph

00:45:43overlay another photograph

00:45:45in one image

00:45:46of the girls

00:45:47therefore

00:45:47if that cross is already coming

00:45:48in the image of the cemetery

00:45:49would appear superimposed

00:45:58this cemetery

00:45:59It's a very special place

00:46:00and as is the norm

00:46:01of our program

00:46:01of fourth millennium

00:46:02the mystery ship

00:46:03had to go

00:46:04and perform their usual

00:46:06deployment of resources

00:46:07to try to capture

00:46:08some kind of anomaly

00:46:09to get to know the terrain well

00:46:10and so that you

00:46:11see it

00:46:12from all angles

00:46:12and points of view

00:46:13Our colleague was there.

00:46:14Francisco Contreras

00:46:15spending a night

00:46:16in this cemetery

00:46:17Welcome Francisco.

00:46:18Well found Iker

00:46:19a special place

00:46:20you have traveled

00:46:21the strangest places

00:46:22of the mystery in Spain

00:46:23And what do you think?

00:46:25What did you feel?

00:46:26What was happening that night?

00:46:26in the middle of the fog

00:46:27in this cemetery?

00:46:28It was a cold night

00:46:30very cold

00:46:30and very hard

00:46:32as they demonstrate

00:46:33the images

00:46:34It snowed all night

00:46:35We were all

00:46:37feeling as if

00:46:38we were observed

00:46:40It was very strange.

00:46:41very subjective

00:46:42They are emotions

00:46:43and they are sensations

00:46:44maybe

00:46:45because of the stage

00:46:46What is the most

00:46:46Does it attract attention?

00:46:47now we are seeing

00:46:47those images

00:46:48Which points?

00:46:50and we're talking

00:46:50of course

00:46:51of sensations

00:46:51from the reporter

00:46:52but that I want

00:46:53that they know

00:46:54What points were calling you?

00:46:55more attention?

00:46:57In which of these

00:46:57Did you feel more restless?

00:46:58that cemetery is

00:47:00curiously full

00:47:00of children's graves

00:47:01He called me

00:47:02a lot of attention

00:47:02there is an area

00:47:04Where are the children?

00:47:05unbaptized

00:47:06another one where they are

00:47:07the baptized

00:47:07There is a wall

00:47:09We're looking at it

00:47:10Now in the images

00:47:11we toured

00:47:11all the walls

00:47:12from the cemetery

00:47:13There is a wall

00:47:13Where are they all?

00:47:14the executed

00:47:15of the civil war

00:47:15And the most impressive thing

00:47:17It's that until recently

00:47:17not many years

00:47:18All Saints' Day

00:47:20They took them out

00:47:21to cut their hair

00:47:22and the nails

00:47:23It's a cemetery.

00:47:24out of the ordinary

00:47:25out of the ordinary

00:47:26in the sense

00:47:26How impressive

00:47:27perhaps because also

00:47:28Let's go with the

00:47:30psychological baggage

00:47:31having seen

00:47:32these photographs

00:47:33have been taken

00:47:34EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena)

00:47:34You have heard them

00:47:35in this same program

00:47:37What happened

00:47:37on the night of the investigation?

00:47:38we deployed a material

00:47:41Quite interesting.

00:47:42three infrared cameras

00:47:44who were

00:47:45monitoring in real time

00:47:46on a hard drive

00:47:47three and a half hours

00:47:48recording

00:47:49unfortunately

00:47:49we have not succeeded

00:47:50capture nothing

00:47:51anomalous

00:47:52in the area

00:47:52where the girls appear

00:47:53absolutely nothing happens

00:47:54nothing

00:47:55absolutely nothing

00:47:56Luis was doing

00:47:57different photographic sweeps

00:47:59and downloading

00:47:59on-site images

00:48:00to see if it came out

00:48:01any strange situation

00:48:03in those images

00:48:04We even ran several tests

00:48:06to see how it could be done

00:48:07to commit that fraud

00:48:08I located myself

00:48:09at that same point

00:48:10Where are the girls?

00:48:11and Luis took several snapshots

00:48:12to see if I could

00:48:14to try someone

00:48:15that was put there

00:48:15a mannequin

00:48:16or a figure

00:48:17completely ruled out

00:48:18full

00:48:19and we carried out

00:48:20different psychophonic tests

00:48:22as on other occasions

00:48:23and as has already been done

00:48:24in Millennium 3

00:48:26a year ago

00:48:27to see if we could record

00:48:28something

00:48:30strange

00:48:30were made

00:48:32different EVP recordings

00:48:33both in the pantheon

00:48:34like on the wall

00:48:35of those shot

00:48:36like in the well

00:48:3720 minutes total

00:48:38short EVP recordings

00:48:39everything with

00:48:41a base center

00:48:44with the security measures

00:48:45a security perimeter

00:48:46so that no one could sneak in

00:48:47controlling all noises

00:48:49dogs barking

00:48:50cars passing by

00:48:52and nothing normal

00:48:52absolutely nothing

00:48:53They were short recordings

00:48:553 minutes

00:48:55at no time

00:48:56No sound emerged

00:48:58no voice

00:49:00we stayed

00:49:01with that detail

00:49:02a place

00:49:03at least on a subjective level

00:49:04very special

00:49:04We'll stick with that.

00:49:06Francis

00:49:06thank you

00:49:06to you

00:49:07He lived through the night

00:49:08as reporters always do

00:49:09of fourth millennium

00:49:10and we haven't met

00:49:11with the mystery

00:49:12the mystery remains

00:49:13in those photographs

00:49:13and in those voices

00:49:14Isabel, I hope

00:49:15sincerely

00:49:16that at some point

00:49:17we can discover

00:49:18to arrive at the truth

00:49:18You have placed your trust in us

00:49:20and we

00:49:21as I say

00:49:21far from controversy

00:49:22without believing

00:49:23nor stop believing

00:49:24we know

00:49:25of your honesty

00:49:26beyond all doubt

00:49:27you have met

00:49:28with this mystery

00:49:29The experts are there.

00:49:30the reports

00:49:30some day

00:49:31who knows

00:49:33this phenomenon

00:49:34these girls

00:49:34this anomaly

00:49:35whatever

00:49:36give us the answer

00:49:37Isabel

00:49:38Thank you so much for your visit.

00:49:39And thank you for your trust.

00:49:40that your family

00:49:40the Garcia family

00:49:41has had with us

00:49:42by the way

00:49:43Images that are hard to forget

00:49:46the feeling one has

00:49:47over there

00:49:47in the thick fog

00:49:48to several degrees

00:49:50below zero

00:49:50and with these photographs

00:49:52as I was saying

00:49:52the back

00:49:53is

00:49:54disturbing

00:50:17And despite the fact that we are

00:50:19focusing on this story

00:50:20thrilling

00:50:21we do not disdain

00:50:22and much less

00:50:23the many photographs

00:50:24that keep arriving

00:50:25to the mystery ship

00:50:26of fourth millennium

00:50:27There are thousands of images

00:50:28but few

00:50:29so surprising

00:50:30like the ones that bring us

00:50:31right now

00:50:32Carmen Porter

00:50:32This has left me

00:50:34pale

00:50:34Carmen

00:50:34the truth is that

00:50:36many times

00:50:36chance

00:50:37makes us arrive

00:50:38photographs

00:50:39how are you

00:50:40you, for example

00:50:41They may be stirring

00:50:42in any house

00:50:43field

00:50:44that they have

00:50:44of his family

00:50:45find images

00:50:46ancient

00:50:47has been the case

00:50:48from this viewer

00:50:49Germán Fernández

00:50:50who sent us this curious photograph

00:50:52carried out in a village

00:50:53You can see a woman

00:50:55and two children

00:50:56But right behind it appears a face

00:50:58which of course

00:50:59He wasn't there

00:51:00we have analyzed the photo

00:51:02as usual

00:51:03we do

00:51:03with all the ones that come our way

00:51:05to fourth millennium

00:51:05and we haven't found

00:51:07elements around the scene

00:51:08not even deep down

00:51:09that could cause

00:51:10such effect

00:51:11It doesn't appear to be a crack.

00:51:13or scratch

00:51:13in the photograph

00:51:14like the one that appears

00:51:16in other parts

00:51:16from this image

00:51:17There is no manipulation

00:51:20in the negative

00:51:20and we might think

00:51:22in a double exposure

00:51:23on the original reel

00:51:24But it's not possible at all.

00:51:26Let this come out

00:51:27when no other party

00:51:28from the photograph

00:51:29has shown

00:51:30items

00:51:31like this terrible face

00:51:32who appears to be looking at the photographer

00:51:34that anonymous face

00:51:35There are others that are not so much

00:51:37which appears to belong

00:51:38to famous people

00:51:39I'll explain later

00:51:40especially with history

00:51:41that we are going to tell

00:51:42in our next segment

00:51:44But first, Carmen

00:51:44important

00:51:45the fundamental direction

00:51:46so that they send us

00:51:47this type of documents

00:51:48contact videos

00:51:49as usual

00:51:50our email

00:51:51that is open

00:51:51at 24 hours

00:51:52of the day and of the night

00:51:54fourth millennium

00:51:55at4.com

00:51:56And of course

00:51:57a post office box

00:51:5818189

00:52:00putting 28080 from Madrid

00:52:02like postal code

00:52:04I was telling them

00:52:04that there are other spectra

00:52:05most famous

00:52:06at least

00:52:07They appear in places

00:52:07with greater substance

00:52:08I mean

00:52:10to Verdi's house

00:52:11There's a photograph

00:52:13broke

00:52:14all the controversies

00:52:15became famous

00:52:16it made the front pages

00:52:16They say it's photography

00:52:18more analyzed

00:52:19of history

00:52:20But we're also going to talk

00:52:21of filming

00:52:22filming in a location

00:52:23which I'm sure sounds familiar.

00:52:24have heard

00:52:25from the Linares Palace

00:52:53just a month ago

00:52:55It was being inaugurated in New York

00:52:56in the heart of the city

00:52:56of the Big Apple

00:52:57a mysterious exhibition

00:52:59they were hanging there

00:53:00of the walls

00:53:01the strangest

00:53:02photographs

00:53:03of spectra

00:53:03and supposed ghosts

00:53:05as is logical

00:53:06has triggered

00:53:07a great wave

00:53:08of visitors

00:53:09and above all

00:53:09of unknowns

00:53:10of questions

00:53:11tricks

00:53:12crude frauds

00:53:14manipulations

00:53:15to deceive

00:53:16to unsuspecting people

00:53:17and also

00:53:18Why not say it?

00:53:18photographs

00:53:19that have happened

00:53:20all filters

00:53:21authenticity

00:53:22They are ghosts

00:53:23They are truly specters

00:53:25They are mistakes.

00:53:28scientists

00:53:28or their own mistakes

00:53:29of the technique

00:53:30They're all questions

00:53:31Never a truer word spoken

00:53:32the story

00:53:34from the photograph

00:53:34of ghosts

00:53:35has already

00:53:36more than a century

00:53:37Santiago Camacho

00:53:37and Luis Álvarez

00:53:38They have traveled through it

00:53:39for fourth millennium

00:53:42There are many

00:53:43those who claim

00:53:44that have accompanied

00:53:44to humanity

00:53:45from the beginning

00:53:46of the times

00:53:47the stories

00:53:48of appearances

00:53:49They went from mouth to mouth

00:53:50in mouth

00:53:50even literature

00:53:52however

00:53:53a new invention

00:53:55the photograph

00:53:56brought with it

00:53:57the possibility

00:53:58to capture

00:53:58for the first time

00:53:59the images

00:54:00of ghosts

00:54:01and spectra

00:54:01even if I could

00:54:03appear to

00:54:04They are not the same thing

00:54:06the ghost

00:54:07is a character

00:54:09that you know

00:54:10He knows you

00:54:11to you

00:54:11It comes with a purpose.

00:54:13that is to say

00:54:14that there is communication

00:54:16can be telepathic

00:54:17It is not always verbal

00:54:19because they

00:54:19They no longer have

00:54:20larynx

00:54:21in order to be able to talk

00:54:22But it's a transmission.

00:54:23telepathic

00:54:24and can be established

00:54:25a dialogue

00:54:33however

00:54:34the spectrum

00:54:35It's a scrap

00:54:36of an experience

00:54:38that someone

00:54:40performed

00:54:40In a place

00:54:41I'll tell you a place

00:54:42because it can be a house

00:54:43and it may not be

00:54:44but it's like

00:54:46the scrap

00:54:46like the piece

00:54:47from a movie

00:54:47ancient

00:54:48what passes in front

00:54:48from your eyes

00:54:49It does not have

00:54:50no relationship

00:54:51with you

00:54:51nor that character

00:54:52Does it make you think

00:54:53to you

00:54:53not at all

00:54:57the first photographs

00:54:58that reflected

00:54:59these anomalies

00:55:00They were warrior types

00:55:01taken in study

00:55:02whose authenticity

00:55:03has been put

00:55:04frequently

00:55:05in question

00:55:05these photos

00:55:07are linked

00:55:08to the boom

00:55:08at the beginning

00:55:09of the last century

00:55:09of the doctrines

00:55:11spiritualists

00:55:11whose defenders

00:55:13They sought to convince

00:55:14to the unbelievers

00:55:15with compelling evidence

00:55:16however

00:55:17over time

00:55:19and the progress

00:55:20from the photograph

00:55:21the variety

00:55:21of images

00:55:22ghostly

00:55:22it kept increasing

00:55:24exponentially

00:55:26Well, look

00:55:27You can register

00:55:28orbs

00:55:29that they now call

00:55:29What are the little balls?

00:55:30those who travel

00:55:32randomly

00:55:33for a site

00:55:34could be

00:55:35also record

00:55:36For example

00:55:37changes

00:55:38of luminosity

00:55:39within a

00:55:40of a quarter

00:55:41that does not have

00:55:42no reason

00:55:42and for example

00:55:44us

00:55:44an investigation

00:55:45what did we do

00:55:46in northern Spain

00:55:47there was a painting

00:55:48of a nun

00:55:48that suddenly

00:55:51It was getting dark

00:55:52but you only saw it

00:55:53through the viewfinder

00:55:54from the video

00:55:57some of the best

00:55:58photographs of ghosts

00:55:59were taken

00:56:00in places

00:56:01that since time

00:56:02immemorial

00:56:02They were famous

00:56:03delighted

00:56:04such as the rector's office

00:56:05from Borley

00:56:06or Reinhard Hall

00:56:07in these enclosures

00:56:09even today

00:56:09is possible

00:56:10trigger the camera

00:56:11random photograph

00:56:12and capture

00:56:13anomalous images

00:56:14as if the supposed

00:56:15appeared

00:56:16were especially

00:56:17linked to them

00:56:18Sometimes ghosts

00:56:20They're not leaving.

00:56:21that is to say

00:56:25They are people

00:56:26that have already completed

00:56:28his career

00:56:30here

00:56:31in this reality

00:56:32that they have to

00:56:34transcend

00:56:34to another reality

00:56:35and?

00:56:37they don't know

00:56:38they can't find

00:56:39the path

00:56:40Sometimes they don't know

00:56:41that are dead

00:56:42so

00:56:43It's not that they're coming back

00:56:45It's that still

00:56:46They haven't left

00:56:47and then

00:56:48they are clearly trying

00:56:49get in touch

00:56:50or return to your site

00:56:51of origin

00:56:52to the house

00:56:52where they lived happily

00:56:53or where they lived

00:56:54unhappy people

00:56:55and we must help them

00:56:56to leave

00:56:57throughout the last century

00:56:59the typology

00:57:00of the figures

00:57:01captured in the emulsion

00:57:02photographic

00:57:03has changed considerably

00:57:04at first

00:57:06It was

00:57:07almost always

00:57:07of anatomies

00:57:08translucent

00:57:08or solid

00:57:09however

00:57:10as they left

00:57:11popularizing

00:57:12home cameras

00:57:13and especially

00:57:14with the boom

00:57:15of digital photography

00:57:16they began to appear

00:57:17other

00:57:18They looked so good

00:57:19energy vortices

00:57:21some experts

00:57:22They call them

00:57:23orbs

00:57:26They are energies

00:57:27small energies

00:57:29lighting

00:57:29transparent

00:57:30round ones

00:57:31I have one

00:57:32that appears

00:57:32in the corner

00:57:33of the victory

00:57:34in the cave

00:57:36of the treasure

00:57:36that looks like a ball

00:57:37tennis

00:57:37and that are

00:57:39well energies

00:57:40that are

00:57:40dancing there

00:57:42then I have

00:57:42another one in that palace

00:57:44also from the north

00:57:45of the nun

00:57:45in a fireplace

00:57:47where they appear

00:57:48as if they were

00:57:48small lights

00:57:49as if they were

00:57:50little fairies

00:57:50who stroll

00:57:52that go

00:57:53I'm telling you

00:57:53randomly

00:57:54because the same

00:57:55They're going to the right.

00:57:55that upwards

00:57:56that downwards

00:57:57energies

00:57:57but like physics

00:57:58cannot

00:57:59measure these energies

00:58:01They know that they exist

00:58:02But they don't know what they are.

00:58:03currently

00:58:04a new element

00:58:05security cameras

00:58:07have contributed

00:58:08ghostly images

00:58:09so disturbing

00:58:09like the old ones

00:58:12not even

00:58:13the world of cinema

00:58:14has been alien

00:58:14to this phenomenon

00:58:15in a single frame

00:58:16from the movie

00:58:17three single men

00:58:18and a baby

00:58:18They claim that it appeared

00:58:19the ghostly figure

00:58:20of a child

00:58:21that was not seen

00:58:22by no one

00:58:23on set

00:58:24It is unknown

00:58:25with accuracy

00:58:25who is it about

00:58:26but they exist

00:58:27two different versions

00:58:28that coincide

00:58:29in pointing

00:58:30which is about

00:58:31of a child

00:58:31who died

00:58:32in the apartment

00:58:32where it was filmed

00:58:33the scene

00:58:35we met

00:58:36in the face of an urban legend

00:58:37or in the face of a genuine

00:58:39mystery

00:58:41we can be sure

00:58:42that the new media

00:58:43of capturing images

00:58:44that will provide us

00:58:45technology

00:58:46of the future

00:58:47will serve to continue

00:58:48registering the presence

00:58:49of these visitors

00:58:50mysterious

00:58:51those that appear

00:58:53suddenly

00:58:54despite

00:58:55no one invited us

00:59:15Let me read to you

00:59:16the introduction

00:59:17of this wonderful work

00:59:18I think we are

00:59:19against one of the best

00:59:20analyses performed

00:59:21in Spain

00:59:22about a photograph

00:59:23allegedly paranormal

00:59:25It says this

00:59:26image obtained

00:59:28in Villa Verdi

00:59:28in Buseto, Parma

00:59:30October 31

00:59:31from the year 2000

00:59:32in the room

00:59:33that hosts

00:59:34one of the pianos

00:59:35by Giuseppe Verdi

00:59:35that great artist

00:59:36among other elements

00:59:38furniture

00:59:39of the five slides

00:59:41obtained successively

00:59:42in the second

00:59:43warning

00:59:44a presence

00:59:44unidentified

00:59:45have passed

00:59:47five years

00:59:47and no one so far

00:59:48has been able to clarify

00:59:50and explain

00:59:50that could have happened

00:59:52Manipulation ruled out

00:59:54as we shall now discover

00:59:56we must ask ourselves

00:59:57who is it?

00:59:59these words

01:00:00are work

01:00:01of a magnificent

01:00:02journalist and writer

01:00:03friend of this program

01:00:04José Manuel Alonso Ibarrola

01:00:06I think he took it

01:00:07the surprise of his life

01:00:08when I was investigating

01:00:10on the centenary of green

01:00:11welcome

01:00:12hello good evening

01:00:13What is the story like?

01:00:14of this photograph

01:00:15so surprising

01:00:15so amazing

01:00:16that everyone

01:00:17I'm sure

01:00:17is thinking

01:00:18Well

01:00:18Something must have happened here.

01:00:20But of course

01:00:20It's been many years.

01:00:22of reports

01:00:22and analysis

01:00:23and for the moment

01:00:23The mystery continues

01:00:24Well, I've been here for five years now.

01:00:25completed

01:00:26on that topic

01:00:27that arose by chance

01:00:29somewhat casually

01:00:31would be in fact

01:00:31that I am

01:00:32a madman

01:00:33of lyric opera

01:00:34a madman

01:00:34from the reports

01:00:35cultural

01:00:36and that I carry

01:00:3725 years of my life

01:00:38all over the world

01:00:40paying tribute

01:00:42generally

01:00:42in chronological time

01:00:44to universal figures

01:00:45and five years ago

01:00:47it was my turn

01:00:48or I had the idea

01:00:49riding

01:00:50a report

01:00:51around Giuseppe Verdi

01:00:52because it was being celebrated

01:00:53its centenary

01:00:54I went ahead

01:00:55to many people

01:00:56Above all, I think that

01:00:57In Spain I was the first

01:00:58in proposing

01:00:59to do a great report

01:01:00about Giuseppe Verdi

01:01:01in the places

01:01:01where he lived

01:01:02and where he is buried

01:01:04which is in Milan

01:01:05then me

01:01:07approved

01:01:08the topic

01:01:09a diary

01:01:10of great prestige

01:01:11at the national level

01:01:12and I chose

01:01:14or they chose me

01:01:14a photographer

01:01:15also prestigious

01:01:16Blanca Berlín

01:01:17And off we went.

01:01:18to explore

01:01:19the lands

01:01:19by Giuseppe Verdi

01:01:20which are

01:01:21well

01:01:21Roncole

01:01:23mostly

01:01:24Buseto

01:01:24the people

01:01:25where he

01:01:26was born

01:01:27Roncole

01:01:27It's a neighborhood

01:01:28from Buseto

01:01:29which is three kilometers away

01:01:30then he

01:01:31when he made money

01:01:31He bought a house

01:01:32in Buseto itself

01:01:33and when still

01:01:34made more money

01:01:35with his operas

01:01:35it was bought

01:01:36a large estate

01:01:37which is now called

01:01:39Villa Verdi

01:01:40It used to be called

01:01:41Santa Agata Village

01:01:42and that he lived

01:01:43in it

01:01:43for thirty years

01:01:44Did Ñin die?

01:01:45No

01:01:45Died

01:01:46when he became a widower

01:01:47by Giuseppe Nesterpone

01:01:48and his second wife

01:01:49in the great solitude

01:01:51of that property

01:01:52which is seven kilometers away

01:01:53of the town

01:01:54chose

01:01:55go to Milan

01:01:56and next to the scale

01:01:57from Milan

01:01:57There is a hotel

01:01:58very famous

01:01:59Milan hotel

01:02:01and from England

01:02:01where he had

01:02:02a room

01:02:03and there he died

01:02:04It's very curious.

01:02:05we are seeing

01:02:06a hand

01:02:06a body

01:02:07It's also a photo

01:02:08that has

01:02:08a whole series

01:02:10a whole rosary

01:02:10of enigmas

01:02:11for those who know how to observe

01:02:12probably a lot of people

01:02:13has been set

01:02:13in that strange position

01:02:16on a piano

01:02:16a Verdi piano

01:02:17but then

01:02:18I invite you to continue

01:02:19little by little

01:02:20which would

01:02:21the body silhouette

01:02:22they will end up facing a face

01:02:24one face

01:02:26disturbing

01:02:26terrifying

01:02:27I don't know how to define it

01:02:28well, for some

01:02:29It's unsettling.

01:02:30enigmatic

01:02:31diabolical

01:02:31and for others

01:02:32It even gives them

01:02:33they give them

01:02:34sympathy

01:02:35Man, I'm going to clarify.

01:02:36that the photographer

01:02:38Blanca Berlín

01:02:39which I accompanied

01:02:40We requested the permits

01:02:42relevant

01:02:42because it is

01:02:43strictly prohibited

01:02:45take photographs

01:02:46visiting Villa Berlin

01:02:47I obtained the permit

01:02:48It took us seven days

01:02:50visit all the places

01:02:51to the grave of Berlin

01:02:52in Milan

01:02:53and upon returning

01:02:54that's when

01:02:55the photographer

01:02:55like everyone else does

01:02:56the professionals

01:02:57all their rolls

01:02:58he deposited them

01:02:59in the laboratory

01:03:00where she works

01:03:01What is Ascolor?

01:03:02and then

01:03:03they revealed to him

01:03:04ten days later

01:03:05they handed it to him

01:03:06all the revealed

01:03:07She began to prepare

01:03:09The report already

01:03:10with its thread counter

01:03:11and I remember

01:03:12who called me

01:03:13at eight in the morning

01:03:14because at two

01:03:15in the early morning

01:03:15when selecting

01:03:17the slides

01:03:18discovered

01:03:19that from a collection

01:03:20five slides

01:03:21obtained

01:03:22in the room

01:03:23where is the piano

01:03:23and the bed of green

01:03:24on the other side

01:03:26I felt a hand

01:03:27strange

01:03:27about the keyboard

01:03:29from the beginning

01:03:29We didn't believe in anything

01:03:30we thought it was

01:03:31a mistake

01:03:32from the laboratory

01:03:33It must be said

01:03:33José Manuel

01:03:34important

01:03:34that this photograph

01:03:35It's not digital

01:03:36It's a slide

01:03:37It's a professional job

01:03:38besides

01:03:38from a very prestigious colleague

01:03:40from the world of photography

01:03:41that is to say

01:03:42that here the trickery

01:03:42It's much more difficult.

01:03:43That's another story.

01:03:44completely different

01:03:45and however you love each other

01:03:46I imagine when you discover the body

01:03:48not like

01:03:49We were aseptic.

01:03:50on the topic

01:03:50There has been an error here.

01:03:51a confusion

01:03:52so

01:03:53Something must have happened

01:03:54in the laboratory

01:03:56We went to the laboratory

01:03:57and in the laboratory

01:03:58We wanted to talk

01:03:59with the person in charge

01:04:00and with the director

01:04:00and then

01:04:02They summoned the staff

01:04:03They looked at everything

01:04:04and they realized

01:04:05that

01:04:06It was not possible

01:04:07that there was a trick

01:04:08nor any manipulation

01:04:09then I

01:04:10over the course of 5 years

01:04:12I've already explored everything

01:04:13to the 3 laboratories

01:04:14most important

01:04:15that there is in Madrid

01:04:16Where has it gone?

01:04:17that photograph

01:04:18José Manuel?

01:04:18this very extensive dossier

01:04:20full of copies

01:04:21of processes

01:04:23chemicals

01:04:24to analyze the photo

01:04:25They are watching

01:04:26some of these images

01:04:27it seems that

01:04:28whatever

01:04:29that smiling being

01:04:30reborn

01:04:31in some of the shots

01:04:32with some of these processes

01:04:33have passed

01:04:34by dozens of hands

01:04:35from the best specialists

01:04:37from the best specialists

01:04:38and even from the factory

01:04:39multinational

01:04:40that manufactured

01:04:42the material

01:04:43of all

01:04:45they told us

01:04:45not detected

01:04:47none

01:04:49process

01:04:49developing

01:04:50overlay

01:04:52technical failure

01:04:53there must have been

01:04:54a previous manipulation

01:04:56in any case

01:04:56So what happens

01:04:57I think

01:04:58that there has been no

01:04:59no prior manipulation

01:05:01never

01:05:02People will be saying

01:05:03I'm sure

01:05:03because that's what

01:05:04when we did here

01:05:05the test to show

01:05:06the photographs

01:05:07against our team

01:05:07in front of the cameras

01:05:08the waste

01:05:10have seen

01:05:10Gee

01:05:11He has sunglasses

01:05:12That sounds a little strange

01:05:13but

01:05:13you have even

01:05:15to do analysis

01:05:15anatomical

01:05:16by hospital specialists

01:05:18and what they said

01:05:18No

01:05:19my equestrian

01:05:19which is called

01:05:20He is a teacher

01:05:20from the university

01:05:21has analyzed it

01:05:22In other words, it has overwhelmed

01:05:23I have it written down

01:05:24the report

01:05:24saying that

01:05:25It has overwhelmed her

01:05:27and that he doesn't wear glasses

01:05:28It doesn't even have eyes

01:05:28They are empty bowls

01:05:30when you were there

01:05:31José Manuel

01:05:32Was there anyone

01:05:33that can be identified

01:05:34somehow

01:05:35with this individual?

01:05:37No

01:05:37because we have reviewed

01:05:38in the end

01:05:39the responsible

01:05:40the guide

01:05:41from Villaverdi

01:05:42who is a very serious lady

01:05:43Giovanna Kiozza

01:05:44she is so immersed

01:05:46on the topic

01:05:47who wanted to help us

01:05:48reviewing all the photographs

01:05:50of Verdi's family

01:05:52and has not found

01:05:52to no one

01:05:53like no one else

01:05:54They have examined it

01:05:55Gustavo Marquesi

01:05:56Corrado Mingardi

01:05:58leading specialists

01:05:59Verdi's biographers

01:06:00they can't find

01:06:01no similarity

01:06:01Is there a note?

01:06:03Never a truer word spoken

01:06:03in the biography

01:06:04by Giuseppe Verdi

01:06:05that relates it

01:06:06with interest

01:06:06through the afterlife

01:06:07or a passion

01:06:08through esotericism

01:06:09I don't know what to call it

01:06:10if there is

01:06:11This is a topic

01:06:12that it's very dangerous there

01:06:14because

01:06:15apparently

01:06:16There's a documentary

01:06:16about Verdi

01:06:17that Verdi

01:06:18he was very loving

01:06:18was considered

01:06:20like a hygromancer

01:06:21and very loving

01:06:22of esoteric things

01:06:23and of magic

01:06:24therefore

01:06:25maybe

01:06:26In fact, it has been discovered

01:06:27in an Italian documentary

01:06:28that the garden

01:06:30wonderful Verdi

01:06:31It's enormous, too.

01:06:32It's done

01:06:33according to an astrological chart

01:06:34until now

01:06:35That was not known

01:06:36They discovered it

01:06:37three years ago

01:06:37and then

01:06:39And the topic continues.

01:06:40For example

01:06:41They have not yet been cataloged

01:06:43the books

01:06:43from Verdi's library

01:06:44because the family

01:06:45she didn't want to

01:06:46then

01:06:46it has been discussed

01:06:48of many stories

01:06:48about Verdi

01:06:49in the town

01:06:49but like Verdi

01:06:51has been considered

01:06:52a national myth

01:06:53Nobody wants to play

01:06:54that myth

01:06:55because obviously

01:06:56because it would be dangerous

01:06:57right now

01:06:58the latest discovery

01:06:59discovered

01:07:00I'm saying it now, right here.

01:07:01from a month and a half ago

01:07:02They called me

01:07:03And I went there

01:07:04to show me

01:07:05a place

01:07:06in the garages

01:07:07that is giving way

01:07:09the land

01:07:09and

01:07:11thank you

01:07:11to the

01:07:12Italian television

01:07:13that has published

01:07:14the report

01:07:14a bricklayer

01:07:16retired

01:07:16has said

01:07:17that was

01:07:19the exit

01:07:20of a secret passageway

01:07:21that communicates

01:07:22with the bedroom

01:07:22by Verdi

01:07:23with the place

01:07:24where it appears

01:07:24the photograph

01:07:25so

01:07:26They have asked themselves this question

01:07:27to the two descendants

01:07:28that remain

01:07:29from Verdi's family

01:07:29who are two ladies

01:07:31who live there

01:07:32alone

01:07:32with a dog

01:07:33Do you mean to tell me

01:07:34that in the place

01:07:35of this photograph

01:07:36where this appeared

01:07:37right now

01:07:37Are elderly men living there?

01:07:39Yeah

01:07:39because half

01:07:40It is Verdi's home

01:07:41and the other half

01:07:42It's a museum

01:07:42me 20 years ago

01:07:44I met him

01:07:45like everything else

01:07:46museum

01:07:47because nobody lived there

01:07:48then they moved

01:07:49to live there

01:07:49in the middle

01:07:50of the building

01:07:51one can conclude

01:07:51therefore

01:07:52José Manuel Alonso Ibarrola

01:07:53journalist, writer

01:07:55history lover

01:07:56of the biographies

01:07:57This was a genuine surprise

01:07:59as of today

01:08:005 years

01:08:01laboratories

01:08:01researchers

01:08:03experts

01:08:03we don't know

01:08:04Who is this individual?

01:08:05what we know

01:08:06There's no trick to it.

01:08:06And I would like that

01:08:07which people

01:08:08that they are

01:08:09listening now

01:08:10that if they wanted

01:08:11get in touch

01:08:11with me

01:08:12I am always

01:08:13very willing

01:08:13to help them

01:08:14to go with the 5

01:08:16original slides

01:08:17for them to analyze

01:08:18investigate

01:08:19and tell me

01:08:20before dying

01:08:21if what we have seen

01:08:22It is a vision

01:08:23or it's not a vision

01:08:24Or is it simply a mistake?

01:08:26technician or scientist

01:08:27nothing else

01:08:27José Manuel

01:08:28thanks a lot

01:08:28for your first

01:08:29visit to Cuarto Milenio

01:08:31because there will be others

01:08:32Thank you very much

01:08:33thank you so much

01:08:33Well

01:08:34I don't know what adjective

01:08:36to put this story

01:08:37by Giuseppe Verdi

01:08:37myth in Italy

01:08:38and in his own home

01:08:40next to his piano

01:08:40This unusual image

01:08:42and as I rightly said

01:08:43our guest

01:08:44Well, as always here

01:08:46We offer the opportunity

01:08:47that they investigate

01:08:48and shed light on us

01:08:49about this wonderful story

01:08:50By the way, speaking of

01:08:52of stories

01:08:52There is one here in Madrid

01:08:53We're not going very far.

01:08:54because it captivated

01:08:55to the general public

01:08:56It's been more than 15 years now

01:08:58It happened, no more and no less.

01:08:59in the heart of the city

01:09:00next to Cibeles

01:09:01in the palace

01:09:02of the Marquises of Linares

01:09:03I would like them to remember

01:09:05one of the moments

01:09:06I think they are critical

01:09:06of this first journey

01:09:07from the mystery ship

01:09:08He is the commissioner

01:09:10of the central district

01:09:10from Madrid

01:09:12José Manuel Sánchez

01:09:13that here

01:09:14on this same set

01:09:15he told us

01:09:15the strange sensations

01:09:17that he had in that place

01:09:18a marked place

01:09:19because of the mystery

01:09:20and perhaps

01:09:22supernatural

01:09:22the palace of Linares

01:09:27the strangest place

01:09:28in José Manuel

01:09:28where you have been

01:09:31as a police officer

01:09:32as a fellow countryman

01:09:33and that he has felt

01:09:33strange feeling

01:09:34that palace

01:09:35go in there

01:09:36and let them tell you.

01:09:38the places where you are

01:09:39a place where dogs

01:09:41that they have to do

01:09:42the inspections

01:09:43police dogs

01:09:44They refused to enter

01:09:44in certain rooms

01:09:45who don't want to enter

01:09:45in a specific area

01:09:47Tomás Navarro was with us.

01:09:48which was then

01:09:49the boss

01:09:49of canine guides

01:09:50of the Civil Guard

01:09:51or let me tell you

01:09:52someone who goes to the sacristy

01:09:54and I heard those noises

01:09:55like the ones you

01:09:55you said at the beginning

01:09:56like those calls

01:09:57And what happens

01:09:59This woman

01:09:59I lived it

01:10:01with such naturalness

01:10:02that he told us

01:10:03I had to tell him

01:10:04Don't be annoying

01:10:05He is calm

01:10:05one moment

01:10:05that I am working

01:10:07us

01:10:07that we weren't

01:10:09and in this

01:10:10he left us

01:10:11surprised

01:10:12his attitude

01:10:12But she would get it

01:10:13like any other beings

01:10:14who were there

01:10:17And now on this monographic journey

01:10:19to the world of photographs

01:10:21of supposed specters

01:10:22we're taking it a step further

01:10:24a leap into the afterlife

01:10:26Never a truer word spoken

01:10:27because very rarely

01:10:28a recording is obtained

01:10:29with alleged irregularities

01:10:31or entities we don't know about

01:10:32in addition to the circumstance

01:10:34that was obtained

01:10:35in that exact place

01:10:36one of the first researchers

01:10:38who arrived there

01:10:38who were able to access

01:10:39inside

01:10:39of what today

01:10:40It is the House of America

01:10:41He was our dear colleague

01:10:43and colleague

01:10:44in information work

01:10:44Santiago Vázquez

01:10:46Welcome Santiago

01:10:46good night

01:10:47an unforgettable moment

01:10:4815 years ago

01:10:49inside the Linares Palace

01:10:50and you with your

01:10:51shoulder-mounted video camera

01:10:52No?

01:10:53that's how it is

01:10:54that's how it is

01:10:54we ask for permission

01:10:55to the Madrid City Council

01:10:57for

01:10:58to know that there was certain

01:11:00if really

01:11:00phenomena occurred

01:11:02paranormal

01:11:03in the property

01:11:05and already looking ahead

01:11:06the answer

01:11:07Yes

01:11:08Did you experience it?

01:11:10Yes, yes

01:11:11that night

01:11:11There was in the Palace

01:11:13phenomena

01:11:14authentic

01:11:15which we were able to confirm

01:11:16the four members

01:11:17from our group

01:11:18It must be said

01:11:19Santiago

01:11:20that had occurred

01:11:21hysteria

01:11:22almost social

01:11:23we remember

01:11:24newspaper front pages

01:11:25magazine headlines

01:11:27the ghosts

01:11:28from the Linares Palace

01:11:29the story

01:11:29of a girl

01:11:30Raimunda

01:11:31who became famous

01:11:31a story

01:11:32of incest

01:11:33of past crimes

01:11:34it was discussed

01:11:35of a girl

01:11:35sandwiched

01:11:36We talked about everything

01:11:36and all media

01:11:37communication

01:11:38even starting

01:11:39by the state

01:11:40like National Radio

01:11:41with Julio César Iglesias

01:11:42in the head

01:11:42they managed to obtain

01:11:43alleged EVP recordings

01:11:45Let's call it that

01:11:45very strange

01:11:46but our colleagues

01:11:47They stumbled upon something

01:11:48even weirder

01:11:49and it's the filming

01:11:50above all

01:11:51at the epicenter

01:11:53of that palace

01:11:54in the ballroom

01:11:55Right, Santiago?

01:11:55Yeah

01:11:55You know perfectly well

01:11:57that when

01:11:58usually

01:11:59when one looks for it

01:12:00the paranormal phenomenon

01:12:02This happens

01:12:03and when he looks for it

01:12:04the other way around

01:12:04and when one looks for it

01:12:06It's the complete opposite

01:12:06it does not usually appear

01:12:08indeed

01:12:08It was in the ballroom

01:12:09the first

01:12:11recording to highlight

01:12:13appear

01:12:14two figures

01:12:16two figures

01:12:16in a sweep

01:12:17from the image

01:12:18what are you doing

01:12:19Fernando Vázquez

01:12:20who is my brother

01:12:20the person who was carrying

01:12:21then

01:12:22the camera

01:12:23at the back

01:12:24from the image

01:12:25Two figures are visible

01:12:26which of course

01:12:28we have to say

01:12:29that were not

01:12:29there was nobody

01:12:31then

01:12:31We were in the palace

01:12:32our team

01:12:34research

01:12:34and two guards

01:12:3626 people

01:12:38a man

01:12:39and a woman

01:12:41period dresses

01:12:42It is even possible

01:12:43distinguish

01:12:44the hat

01:12:45carrying

01:12:46the woman

01:12:46and the dress

01:12:48flight

01:12:48carrying

01:12:49the knight

01:12:51who is dressed

01:12:51suit

01:12:52dark

01:12:53It carries as

01:12:54yesteryear

01:12:55it was done

01:12:55hand behind

01:12:58and it's in the movement

01:13:00is in the movement

01:13:00that's when

01:13:01bursts onto the scene

01:13:02a third person

01:13:03that does not correspond

01:13:05with none

01:13:05of us

01:13:06who is she

01:13:08He's not dressed

01:13:09as

01:13:10late 19

01:13:11early 20s

01:13:12but he's dressed

01:13:13wearing normal clothes

01:13:14totally normal

01:13:15in white

01:13:16even with something

01:13:16on the back

01:13:18This was recorded

01:13:19June 5th

01:13:19June 5

01:13:20of 1990

01:13:23until 1998

01:13:25we didn't discover

01:13:26that was there

01:13:27And how did you discover it?

01:13:29well one afternoon

01:13:30We were at home

01:13:31with some friends

01:13:31and they asked us

01:13:33knowing that

01:13:34we had been

01:13:34in the palace

01:13:35they asked us

01:13:36if we could

01:13:37put it

01:13:38that recording

01:13:39We played the recording

01:13:40and one of the people

01:13:42warned

01:13:43that in that image

01:13:44there was something

01:13:45that was

01:13:46out of the ordinary

01:13:48but it means

01:13:49therefore

01:13:49Santiago

01:13:50that at the moment

01:13:50of being there

01:13:51with the team

01:13:51research

01:13:52didn't you notice

01:13:52nothing strange

01:13:53no voice

01:13:53no presence

01:13:54nothing at that moment

01:13:55from the recording

01:13:55No

01:13:56then

01:13:57There was no

01:13:59no type

01:14:00of phenomenon

01:14:01paranormal

01:14:01But there were

01:14:03overnight

01:14:03other phenomena

01:14:05there were phenomena

01:14:06of thermogenesis

01:14:06that is to say

01:14:07descent

01:14:08rude

01:14:09of the temperature

01:14:09temperature variation

01:14:10This appears to be

01:14:11something common

01:14:12you who have been

01:14:12a person

01:14:12that you have studied

01:14:13deeply

01:14:13the matter

01:14:14of parapsychology

01:14:15appears to be

01:14:16like an almost

01:14:16visiting card

01:14:18I don't know what about.

01:14:18but that something

01:14:19It's going to happen

01:14:19indeed

01:14:20and so

01:14:20many movies

01:14:21dedicated to these topics

01:14:22They reflect it

01:14:24that is to say

01:14:24thermogenesis

01:14:25it occurs

01:14:26usually

01:14:26in haunted houses

01:14:28and in places

01:14:29where they are produced

01:14:30phenomena

01:14:30of type

01:14:31poltergeist

01:14:31It's a variation

01:14:33of the temperature

01:14:34usually

01:14:35a decline

01:14:36very abrupt

01:14:36of the temperature

01:14:37it happened to us

01:14:38specifically

01:14:39on one of the staircases

01:14:41service

01:14:41going up to the roof

01:14:43then

01:14:45we're talking about June

01:14:47instead of June

01:14:47It's hot

01:14:48in the palace

01:14:49tremendous

01:14:50We were carrying a flashlight

01:14:52and at that moment

01:14:53a cold current

01:14:55very cold air

01:14:55that pierces us

01:14:57to the whole group

01:14:57and the flashlight

01:14:58that we were wearing

01:14:59It turns off

01:15:00good

01:15:01We went up to the rooftop

01:15:02with the lighters

01:15:03tranquillity

01:15:04that does not arise

01:15:05mass hysteria

01:15:06and fair

01:15:07upon leaving

01:15:09to the rooftop

01:15:10It turned on

01:15:11the flashlight

01:15:12those two figures

01:15:13that appear

01:15:14on the embed

01:15:14from the mirror

01:15:15Let's call it that

01:15:16as if they were

01:15:16On the other hand

01:15:17precisely

01:15:17It could be an optical illusion.

01:15:19It can be anything

01:15:20but of course

01:15:20It's very curious

01:15:21Were you able to search

01:15:22some relationship

01:15:23in the history of the palace

01:15:24or some historical significance

01:15:25with what happened there?

01:15:26The curious thing

01:15:27the thing is

01:15:27the image was recorded

01:15:29in the ballroom

01:15:32And it's true.

01:15:32that those two figures

01:15:35at least

01:15:36From what I've been able to see

01:15:38deduct

01:15:40They are in position

01:15:42to dance

01:15:43as if they were

01:15:44to start

01:15:45a dance

01:15:45as if

01:15:46the knight

01:15:47invite yourself somehow

01:15:48to the lady

01:15:48that appears

01:15:49in the image

01:15:50in the spectral figure

01:15:51I invited her to dance

01:15:53also Santiago

01:15:54as I understand it

01:15:55in that same filming

01:15:57when I checked again

01:15:58eight years later

01:15:59that is to say

01:15:59It was something so

01:16:00hidden

01:16:01as happened

01:16:01with the photos

01:16:02of the cemetery

01:16:02initially

01:16:03that they didn't realize

01:16:04Things appear

01:16:05but much rarer

01:16:07And I dare say

01:16:09that a little

01:16:10dark

01:16:10like a coffin

01:16:11Yes, yes, yes

01:16:12This is an image

01:16:13that

01:16:16We've talked many times.

01:16:17of the matter

01:16:18which one impresses more

01:16:19personally

01:16:21at first

01:16:22I was very impressed

01:16:23the one about spectra

01:16:24but

01:16:25that coffin that appears

01:16:28specifically

01:16:29in the office

01:16:29of the Marquis

01:16:30with a yellow rose

01:16:32on the cover

01:16:34even

01:16:34in a viewing

01:16:35from the video

01:16:37more detained

01:16:38It is even possible

01:16:39identify

01:16:40a small Christ

01:16:43I'm impressed.

01:16:44lot

01:16:44that image

01:16:46I can assure you

01:16:47that

01:16:49there was no

01:16:50in that room

01:16:51nor any other

01:16:52no table

01:16:53or any object

01:16:54that could be confused

01:16:55with the lid

01:16:56from a coffin

01:16:57There it is, very clearly

01:16:58the lid

01:16:59with a rose piercing it

01:17:00a yellow rose

01:17:01that can be seen

01:17:02perfectly

01:17:02and

01:17:03conducting a study

01:17:04more detailed

01:17:05a Christ

01:17:07a Christ

01:17:08Santiago Vázquez

01:17:10buddy

01:17:10which also carries

01:17:11many years

01:17:12investigating these matters

01:17:13with total rigor

01:17:14He encountered the mystery

01:17:15as he rightly says

01:17:16when you least expect it

01:17:17that's when it arises

01:17:18eight years later

01:17:19from the viewing

01:17:20The surprise appears

01:17:20when you look for it

01:17:21It seems the mystery

01:17:22It is much more elusive

01:17:23And you know it very well.

01:17:24buddy

01:17:25Until next time

01:17:27which I hope will be very soon

01:17:28Santiago

01:17:28Thank you for these

01:17:29stunning images

01:17:30of a statement

01:17:31of something very strange

01:17:33Thanks mate

01:17:33at your disposal

01:17:34good night

01:17:35thank you

01:17:35Santiago was speaking

01:17:36from the Linares Palace

01:17:37I have to tell them

01:17:38that in Millennium 3

01:17:39on the SER radio network

01:17:40we have received

01:17:40many calls

01:17:42of security guards

01:17:43who continue to claim

01:17:45that even today

01:17:45with everything renovated

01:17:46all new

01:17:47Things keep happening

01:17:49That's the opinion

01:17:50of these workers

01:17:51which evidently

01:17:51come see a palace

01:17:52very different

01:17:52whom we see

01:17:54They see him in darkness

01:17:54and in total silence

01:17:56although sometimes

01:17:56that silence

01:17:57it breaks

01:17:58with strange voices

01:17:59we have tried

01:18:00to gauge opinion

01:18:01by many researchers

01:18:02who believe that there

01:18:03sincerely

01:18:04past

01:18:08in the palace of Linares

01:18:10They ran a lot

01:18:11rumors

01:18:11But I can speak.

01:18:12from what I have experienced there

01:18:13I have lived there

01:18:14without a doubt

01:18:15along with other people

01:18:17really

01:18:17strange energies

01:18:19at times

01:18:20those energies

01:18:21have been photographed

01:18:23and detected

01:18:24by researchers

01:18:25serious

01:18:25like the group

01:18:26from Father Pilón

01:18:28but also

01:18:29have given rise

01:18:30to a whole series

01:18:31of charlatanism

01:18:32and terrible hoaxes

01:18:33which is what he revealed

01:18:34the press and television

01:18:35at the time

01:18:36But there is no doubt

01:18:38that there was

01:18:38some kind of presence

01:18:40What was its origin?

01:18:40I don't know

01:18:44It is worth noting

01:18:45the fact that this week

01:18:46we have received

01:18:47countless photographs

01:18:48that have to do with

01:18:49precisely

01:18:49what we're talking about

01:18:50and with what concerns us

01:18:51this intense night

01:18:53faces

01:18:53children

01:18:55like the one that's there

01:18:55Carmen

01:18:56that image

01:18:57It has both things

01:18:58faces and children

01:18:59she sent it to us

01:19:00Hugo Fernández

01:19:01he told us

01:19:02that was captured

01:19:03in 1981

01:19:04and as we can see

01:19:05It's a baby.

01:19:06that is on top of a bed

01:19:07and around it

01:19:08there are dolls

01:19:09if we look closely

01:19:10We're seeing it right now.

01:19:11on the foot

01:19:13from one of these dolls

01:19:14the face appears

01:19:15of what appears to be

01:19:16a girl

01:19:16has been thought

01:19:17in a double exposure

01:19:18and for that purpose

01:19:19we have searched

01:19:20in other places

01:19:21from the image

01:19:21and thus find

01:19:22some indication

01:19:23that supports this hypothesis

01:19:25we observe

01:19:26an overlay

01:19:27from the books

01:19:28that appear behind

01:19:28and we can conclude

01:19:30which indeed

01:19:30It is about

01:19:31of which two photographs

01:19:33have joined

01:19:34by revealing them

01:19:35this week

01:19:36Guillermo León

01:19:37our analyst

01:19:37has had extra work

01:19:38some photos

01:19:39They have also arrived

01:19:40coincidence or not

01:19:41from cemeteries

01:19:42Patricia García

01:19:44from León

01:19:44he sent us

01:19:46this image

01:19:46as I rightly said

01:19:47Iker

01:19:47was captured

01:19:48in a cemetery

01:19:49she said

01:19:50see a face

01:19:51or a profile

01:19:52in one of the pantheons

01:19:53the truth

01:19:54because it brought us

01:19:55a little bit of common sense

01:19:56because at first

01:19:57We couldn't see well.

01:19:57that image

01:19:58what we did know

01:19:59There is no manipulation.

01:20:01some in the photograph

01:20:02And it is indeed observed

01:20:03a kind of face

01:20:05profile

01:20:05But there's an explanation.

01:20:07completely coherent

01:20:09that reflection

01:20:10of the cross

01:20:10from the tomb

01:20:11which is located

01:20:11slightly to the left

01:20:13as we see now

01:20:14indicated in the photograph

01:20:15and finally

01:20:16We're talking about that large amount

01:20:17of photographs

01:20:18that flood the entire network

01:20:19the people who receive it

01:20:20He gets scared

01:20:21It's true?

01:20:22Isn't that right?

01:20:22Well

01:20:23This is definitely one

01:20:24one of the most popular

01:20:25the top ten

01:20:26of the ghosts

01:20:27of the network

01:20:27or the top ten

01:20:28of frauds

01:20:29the top ten

01:20:31as Iker rightly said

01:20:32of the assemblies

01:20:33we have received

01:20:34through several routes

01:20:34this image

01:20:35that according to what they said

01:20:36all senders

01:20:37was captured

01:20:38in London

01:20:39Two boys appeared

01:20:41on one of the bridges

01:20:42of this city

01:20:43and then a girl

01:20:44that according to what they said

01:20:45They hadn't seen it there

01:20:46but stare

01:20:47to the camera

01:20:48appears to have eyes

01:20:49blank

01:20:50and go hooded

01:20:51that image

01:20:52of course

01:20:53It's a crude setup

01:20:54by the way

01:20:55what assemblies

01:20:56and above all

01:20:57what interests

01:20:57real phenomena

01:20:59authentic

01:20:59those you obtain

01:21:00not those who arrive

01:21:01through the network

01:21:02We love them

01:21:02in two directions

01:21:03Carmen

01:21:03two directions

01:21:04so that they send us

01:21:05all the material

01:21:06that you wish

01:21:07one as always

01:21:08It is through email

01:21:10on Cuarto Milenio

01:21:11at4.com

01:21:12and also if they wish

01:21:13do it the way

01:21:14ordinary

01:21:15by regular mail

01:21:16They will need to send it to us

01:21:17to the post office box

01:21:1918189

01:21:20with the postal code

01:21:2228080

01:21:23from Madrid

01:21:23we were saying

01:21:24and we remembered

01:21:25the beginning

01:21:25from the movie

01:21:26the devil's backbone

01:21:27with Ernesto Alter

01:21:27and said

01:21:28which is a ghost

01:21:29like a blurry photograph

01:21:31like an insect

01:21:32trapped in amber

01:21:33like a moment of pain

01:21:35condemned to repeat

01:21:36again and again

01:21:37definitely

01:21:37the images we have seen

01:21:39They remind us of that

01:21:40those feelings

01:21:41we cannot be sure

01:21:43we did not reach any conclusions

01:21:44what we have done

01:21:45because it's our job

01:21:46is to approach a world

01:21:47that is always hidden

01:21:48who is always

01:21:49in the embargo of the plot

01:21:50behind things

01:21:51and of which almost never

01:21:52They speak and it is brought to light

01:21:53It is our mission

01:21:55That's what we're here for.

01:21:55to try to reach

01:21:56to the profound truth

01:21:58of these mysteries

01:21:59They already know

01:21:59are

01:22:00fourth millennium

01:22:01in the embargo of the plot

01:22:42Thanks for watching the video.

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