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00:00Yeah, that's ringing a slight bell, and sorry, you're going to have to ring those bells because my memory is
00:06shot somehow.
00:07Well, they say if you couldn't remember the office, you weren't really there.
00:42What's that? Don't do that!
00:48What was your time of the month?
00:51It's Sir Mackenzie. It's a quarter of a century since we filmed for a series of the office.
00:57Silver Jubilee? Silver Jubilee year?
00:59Yeah, it is.
01:01Yeah. Can you believe it?
01:02I can in a way. I can in a way, and in another way it really feels like it was
01:07a few years ago.
01:08Do you know what I mean?
01:09Yeah, I mean we're constantly reminded, well, I'm assuming it's the same for you, that we're constantly reminded of it.
01:16It's been a sort of cycle.
01:17Yeah.
01:18Because it was, you know, the show that it was, it was massive, and then it kind of goes on
01:21these ebbs and flows.
01:22Yeah, for some of my kids, our kids' generation, there's a real nostalgia for that late 90s turn of the
01:2921st century.
01:30They look back on that as this golden era.
01:33Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's understandable.
01:34Yeah, but I remember doing that with the 60s, so you know, maybe that just always happens.
01:40But yeah, so yeah, it makes sense that their generation is looking to those things that were made at that
01:45time.
01:46Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sammy, you old slag. The Brent Meister General.
01:53Have you advertised for the forklift driver's job?
01:55No, good. Don't bother. I've got the man here. He's perfect.
01:59As he passed his forklift driver's test, he gives the tests.
02:05Yeah, yeah. His first aid trained, yeah.
02:09Yeah, yeah. We'll get a CV over to you this afternoon.
02:14What was your audition process?
02:18Uh, I remember going into Television Centre to meet Ricky and Stephen and, um,
02:25I remember getting the script beforehand and thinking, this is the one that I've got to get,
02:32because I was going up for lots of auditions at the time and I'd become a bit blasé about it.
02:35In comedy sort of stuff?
02:36Yes. Yeah, me too.
02:37Yeah, yeah.
02:38And you know, the nerves had gone, I wasn't really worried about auditions anymore,
02:42but this one came along and it was just so beautifully written and so natural.
02:48And I read it and thought, I know how to do this.
02:50This is, you know, a sort of a gift, this naturalistic acting.
02:55Yes, yes.
02:56Um, with believable dialogue.
02:58Yes.
02:59I need to get this.
03:00So yeah, I went in, did that, got called back two or three times.
03:04I think the second time they asked me to do it with a West Country accent.
03:07Right.
03:08Because there's this rumour that it was, the part was originally written for Stephen.
03:12Okay.
03:13But I always imagined that he wrote more of that part than Ricky did.
03:17Right.
03:18And then I remember a wait, waiting, waiting, waiting to hear.
03:23And you know, weeks, maybe even months went past and without hearing.
03:27How about you?
03:28Because is it right that you originally auditioned for Gareth?
03:32It was the showbiz cliche.
03:33It really, it really was.
03:35I was on the way out and as I had my hand on the handle of the door,
03:38I can't remember which one of them said they would both want a credit.
03:41It was them, uh, said, do you think Martin should, uh, read for Tim instead of Gareth?
03:46I was like, yeah, fine, I'll do that.
03:48Um, and I read for that and I've guessed it was an easy, uh, I don't know, I mean,
03:52the truth is I can't remember whether it was an easier fit or not.
03:54I'm very glad because you, you know, you should be Gareth.
03:57But, um, yeah, I was, I think I was, and I wouldn't have got it because you would have got
04:01it.
04:01So I was very, very glad that, um, they called me back and that was last, last second.
04:07But yeah, that, that was, that was true.
04:17David Brent has been with the company for 12 years
04:20and is now the regional manager of Wernham Hog's Slough branch.
04:24I don't give shitty jobs.
04:27When a good man comes to me and says,
04:31thank you, David, for the opportunity and the continued support in achieving my work-related goals,
04:39I've done that. I want to better myself. I want to move on.
04:42Then I can make that dream come true to AKA for you.
04:48January, February, 2000, we made the pilot.
04:51At the read through, I remember thinking, this script is really good.
04:56As, as written is brilliant.
04:58And what, you know, what Ricky was doing with Brent elevated it again.
05:05I thought, oh no, this, this has a chance to be extremely good.
05:08I think all the characters were really well and, and generously written.
05:12Because it wasn't just about him.
05:15We all had a real good crack of the whip.
05:18And, and it was in the doing of it.
05:20And even at a table read, I thought,
05:22fucking hell, this could be really, really fun.
05:25I mean, I remember being helplessly, helplessly laughing.
05:28Oh yeah.
05:29I remember, you know, people have asked, people are always asking,
05:32did you know how, you know, how good it was and what it would become?
05:35And of course we didn't know how huge it would and how, and its longevity.
05:40But I do remember thinking, this is special.
05:43This is like nothing I've seen before. It's, um, yeah.
05:49I remember reading the script and going, yeah, I know, I know how to do this.
05:54Word has leaked out that there may be redundancies.
05:57So far, it's only a rumour, but already reactions are varied.
06:02I just wondered if you were concerned about the sort of redundancies.
06:06No, no, not at all, to be honest.
06:09I wouldn't, I wouldn't cry if I were let go.
06:12I've been here too long now, and if I was here for much longer,
06:14I couldn't see myself just keep cutting my throat, you know.
06:18Yeah, but you wouldn't be like that though.
06:19You'd have to get a nice thing behind the windpipe and pull it down.
06:25Or I could just apply for another job, you know, one of the two.
06:30Tim had slightly different hair.
06:32I'd put it back until it was decided that, you know, they wanted a more louche thing.
06:37But what was, I can't remember what Gareth's hair was.
06:39Was it the same in the pilot as it was in the series, the classic?
06:43I think it was, because I think, I think I had quite long hair at the time.
06:49I remember going to, they told me to go and get my hair cut.
06:53I went to a place in Darbly Street in Soho in London, and I went in and I sat down
06:59and I said to the guy,
07:01can you give me a wanker's haircut?
07:03And I remember him, I thought this was, this would be quite charming.
07:07You know, I explained, but I thought he'd be up for it, find it amusing.
07:10But I remember him being really quite put out by this, you know, he was a professional hairdresser.
07:15He'd been to college, he'd learnt his craft.
07:16He wasn't into giving me a wanker's haircut, but he blooming well did.
07:20Yeah.
07:21Yeah, it was an odd one.
07:23You got married like that?
07:24I did, I got married, I got married just after we finished the first series.
07:28And there's not much I could do with it, you know.
07:31I tried putting products in it and making it, tussling it a bit.
07:36But by the end of the day, it was very definitely Gareth Keenan getting married to Lindsay.
07:50I put my stapler inside a jelly again.
07:53That's the third time it's done, it wasn't even funny the first time.
07:56Why has he done that?
07:57I just told him once that I don't like jelly.
08:00I don't trust the way it moves.
08:01Yeah, you showed him a weakness, he pounced, you should know about that.
08:04I'm sure I've been given a couple of staplers in jelly over the years.
08:09Yes, I have, yes, yeah, yeah.
08:11Whether it's a function or a do, you know, by fans.
08:16You know, people do really like it.
08:18It's funny because I tend to, like I know that's funny.
08:23It's like I know the comic relief dance is funny.
08:25Yeah.
08:25But that's not the thing I think.
08:26When I think of The Office or what I truly, truly love about it, it's not those things.
08:33Do you know what I mean?
08:33It's the tiny, tiny infinitesimal things that you barely see.
08:39Yes.
08:39I really love, I mean, I do like that stuff and I get why people like it as a kind
08:43of,
08:43as a hook to hang your hat on.
08:45But it doesn't sum up, I don't think that's the whole tone of it for me.
08:50I'm sure that's the same with the public, but they can't sort of pick out those tiny,
08:55subtle bits so that, you know, they mention the greatest hits.
08:58Yeah, you can't quote those.
08:59Yeah.
09:00Yeah.
09:00What about that look?
09:02Do that look for us.
09:03The look you do.
09:05There you go.
09:06And that's why.
09:06Yeah.
09:07But it's, yeah, you're right.
09:08The dance, the staker and jelly.
09:09I mean, those things aren't funny.
09:12I mean, the dance was very funny just because we didn't know what was happening, including Ricky.
09:16Yeah.
09:18You know, we didn't know what that was going to be.
09:20And I think he did it a couple of times and they were both absolutely painfully awful.
09:25Yes.
09:25And they just went on and on and on.
09:27Yeah.
09:28Like a, like a nervous breakdown sort of thing.
09:49And another thing people always ask is how much of it was improvised.
09:54Very little of it was because it was all there on the page.
09:57It was all there on the page.
09:59However, I think, I think in the, my true feeling about it is, um, that when it became
10:06the monster that it did, right, and people would say, uh, because it sounded improvised,
10:14understandably Ricky and Steven went, no, none of it's improvised.
10:17Right.
10:17Which is not true.
10:18Okay.
10:18Because I think, I think, and what slightly annoyed me at the time, but only slightly at
10:24the time, um, was that when, when the scripts were published, they weren't the scripts.
10:28They were the transcriptions of what had been on telly.
10:30Okay.
10:30Yes.
10:31So that annoyed me a little bit because like, well, anyone who knows any of us knows that
10:35that line came from you in that moment.
10:37Okay.
10:37That line came from me in that, like, it was loose.
10:40And that's to Ricky and Steve's credit.
10:41Yeah.
10:42Because the scripts were absolutely brilliant.
10:44Yes.
10:45But it wasn't improvised, but it's what I'd call loose.
10:48Yeah, it was, yeah.
10:49So they were, yeah, they were generous in that they would allow us to come away from
10:52those scripts.
10:54No, totally.
10:54It wasn't like, oh, we're going to do as you like it and just riff on it.
10:57Yeah.
10:57It wasn't like syllable by syllable verbatim.
10:59It wasn't that.
11:00And I think that I can understand why there was a little bit of protection about that,
11:04because otherwise people would have gone, hey, and you just rock up and you just make
11:07it all up, which clearly was not the case.
11:09Yeah.
11:09Um, but the writing on it that they did was brilliant.
11:13Yes.
11:14Yeah.
11:14But you only need to know us a little bit or know the process of it.
11:19No, you know, we're also in there, you know?
11:22Yeah.
11:22Um, it doesn't mean it's a co-credit.
11:24It doesn't mean it's improvised, but it's, it's nicely loose.
11:27I'll put a pound in, so you kiss me.
11:28No, I wouldn't kiss you if you paid me.
11:30Oh, I am paying Gareth.
11:31It's quite simple.
11:33So, first of all, just as it's for charity, I need to just get what's right for me.
11:36Why are you such a bender?
11:37Get off of me.
11:37Oh, bender, I'm just getting to...
11:38Get off.
11:39I'm not, get off.
11:40I'm not, I'm not, I'm not kissing you.
11:41I didn't put a pound in.
11:42Well, I'm going to put a pound in.
11:43You're such a pervert.
11:44I'm not a pervert.
11:44Dirty little pervert.
11:45That just feels good though.
11:46That feels better.
11:47I hope you're getting all this.
11:48I hope you're getting all this.
11:49I hope your girlfriend knows that you're gay, because otherwise she's going to get a big
11:51surprise.
11:52Hang on, is that your big surprise?
11:53I've got your big surprise.
11:54I've got it, I've found his big surprise.
11:56Given that you're a writer, I know you were doing stand-up at the time.
12:00Yeah.
12:00So you were writing then, but now you've written more sort of formally structured comedies.
12:06Was there anything about your time in the office that planted a different seed for that?
12:11I learned from the office not to be too precious about my words.
12:14I mean, the thing that I love writing most is dialogue and trying to make it as natural
12:20as possible in the rhythms that people speak.
12:22You know when you get a script and you're like, people don't speak like that.
12:26People don't say that expression.
12:27Yes.
12:28So it's a joy to try and put words into people's mouth that will come out easily.
12:32Yeah.
12:32And that's, you know, that's from the office.
12:35It was easy to learn those lines because it's how people spoke.
12:46Keep your head down and who knows, in a few years' time...
12:54Keep your head down.
12:55You could be in the hot seat like me.
13:00Ricky famously just would do anything to make you corpse.
13:04Mad.
13:05I used to look at him and think, why are you...
13:07Well, I'd say, what are you...
13:08This is your show, what are you doing?
13:10You're making...
13:11You're literally wasting time on this show.
13:13But I was saying that while I was laughing.
13:15Yeah.
13:15So it's hard to be sort of annoyed.
13:17And eventually, Steve would say, we've got to get this done.
13:20Oh, man.
13:21And, you know, he was patient.
13:22But in the end, he'd get a little bit riled up and say, come on, Ricky.
13:26And that's how you knew that it had gone from...
13:32To when you heard Steve say, fellas, come on.
13:35Yeah.
13:36Just from the other room.
13:37You'd think, fuck, yeah, we've got to really do that.
13:39But is he not...
13:40I mean, the atmosphere on set, you know,
13:43it was such a great time.
13:45Yeah, it was.
13:45I don't think I'm looking back through rose-tinted glasses.
13:48But, you know, and it was that...
13:50That was part of it.
13:52Yeah, yeah.
13:52The anarchy.
13:53I've never laughed that much at work before or since.
13:57It was easily the funniest time I've ever had.
14:00And it was because of feeling like a naughty schoolboy, you know.
14:05Ricky was so desperate to make me cool.
14:07So I remember he would draw something diabolical on a piece of paper
14:12and then just sort of slowly push it over so you could see it midway through the shot.
14:16I remember that very clearly.
14:17And I think I was on the verge of laughing, I don't know, 40% of the time.
14:21I think.
14:21Great.
14:23Now, smile.
14:24It's for comic relief.
14:25Can I just do it?
14:25It's down there.
14:26Yeah.
14:26Just...
14:27Can you make it peck at your mates like Roy Hud?
14:29Rod Hull.
14:29Yeah, just do that.
14:37Good.
14:39Yeah.
14:40The comic relief.
14:42Oh, yeah.
14:43When Ricky has to go...
14:45Yeah, Dave Brent has to go outside with the ostrich thing and peck you.
14:49You're holding a giant check.
14:53There's a photographer from the local paper taking photos.
14:56So at the end of that day, I snuck the film out of that camera.
14:59Did you?
15:00And these are the photos here.
15:02And you can see most of them you are...
15:07Look here, your corpse in there.
15:09That's a really good idea that you nick them.
15:11Yeah.
15:12Yeah, it's a good little document of that.
15:15You know what?
15:16If you're ever, you know, on your last pair of trainers.
15:21This is my pension.
15:22Yep.
15:23And the diabolical drawings.
15:25Can you imagine?
15:34What's he doing?
15:35What's he doing?
15:36What's Warren doing telling people to say, please, if they don't know?
15:39I'm sorry, don't deserve a job.
15:42You all right then?
15:43I do.
15:44Yes, thank you.
15:45Good.
15:47Lucy Davis as Dawn Tinsley.
15:50Discuss.
15:51Beautiful.
15:52Just the most subtle, subtle performance.
15:58You immediately, yeah, fell in love with her and wanted her to get away from this place.
16:06You knew that she was better than this.
16:08And it's heartbreaking, right from the beginning, the looks, yeah, the audience know that you're
16:15supposed to be together.
16:16Yeah.
16:16I was wondering if a military man like you, a soldier, could you give a man a lethal blow?
16:28If I was forced to, I could, if it was absolutely necessary, if he was attacking me.
16:33If he was coming really hard?
16:36Yeah, if my life was in danger, yeah.
16:38Oh.
16:39And do you always imagine doing it face to face with a bloke or could you take a man from
16:44behind?
16:45Either way is easy.
16:46Either way.
16:46I love doing all that stuff, like the Tim and Dawn stuff with her was so, and when it was
16:51Tim
16:51and Dawn versus Gareth as well, that was fucking joyful.
16:54That feels nice, actually.
16:56Doing more than with your nails.
16:57Shhh.
17:03You can't do anything with your hair at all.
17:05Also, the points when you're on your own, and I guess a lot of those were improvised.
17:12When she's messing with your hair, you know, that's just beautiful.
17:16Little moments there.
17:17Yeah, just tiny bits.
17:18Yeah.
17:19Yeah, she's, she was incredible.
17:29I do want to mention Patrick Ballady.
17:32Patrick Ballady as Neil.
17:33Yes.
17:34Again.
17:34Oh, yes.
17:35Fantastic.
17:36Yeah, and what a, yeah.
17:37What a nerve-wracking thing that must have been to step into the second series.
17:41Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:42With this, you know, main character.
17:44Yes.
17:44Ah, but that was the perfect, um...
17:47Perfect.
17:47Because he was good-looking, he was charismatic, had an ease about it,
17:50he had a sort of officer-class ease about it, that he didn't have to compete with David.
17:55Yeah.
17:55He knew what David Brent was, he knew he could read him instantly.
18:00And you liked him.
18:01Yeah, you did like him.
18:02Which is a really difficult thing to do.
18:03Is it an intro?
18:04What I'm saying is it...
18:04Hooray!
18:05Finchie!
18:09Oh, here we go, fasten your seatbelt.
18:10No, it's not a seatbelt big enough for you, you fat bastard.
18:12All bought and paid for, innit?
18:14I'll tell you, I'm not saying he's fat, but when he jumps in the air, he gets stuck.
18:17He's like, I'm David Brent!
18:19I'm David Brent!
18:23What was your first memory of Ralph Inneson?
18:26Yes, so the rest of the cast, we were in every single day, all day,
18:31because even when the camera wasn't necessarily on us, we'd be in the back of the office.
18:35And then so occasionally you'd have actors come in just for a day,
18:40and Ralph playing Finchie was one of them.
18:45And yeah, I think his reputation, his character's reputation went before him.
18:49And so it was a weird, exciting, nerve-wracking day.
18:54Yeah, it's like an emperor is about to walk in.
18:56Yeah, this monster that we knew was coming.
18:59Yeah.
18:59And yeah, he didn't disappoint.
19:01Obviously, Ralph isn't Finchie, he's a lovely, lovely man.
19:06Not at all, Finchie.
19:07What he did with that part...
19:09He made it relentless and made it totally unsympathetic.
19:12Yeah, yeah.
19:13Like, completely unsympathetic.
19:15Yeah.
19:15In a way, though, that was still, I think, was believable.
19:19Because there are people who, when they come into a room,
19:22need to make their stamp on it and tell everybody they're the cleverest, the hardest,
19:26that they've shagged the most people, you know, and...
19:28Throwing a kettle over a pub.
19:30I will throw anything that you choose over this building.
19:33If I do it, we win the quiz.
19:35New challenge.
19:36How does that work?
19:36Double or quiz.
19:37It's a challenge.
19:37Yeah.
19:38So you choose anything, if you can throw it over, we've won the champagne.
19:41And that's it.
19:41And that's the real quiz.
19:42That was the real quiz.
19:43If I do it...
19:43So choose one thing.
19:44You really are a couple of sad little men, aren't you?
19:46They are sad little men.
19:47He's throwing a kettle over a pub.
19:49What have you done?
19:49That is still one of...
19:51I mean, Christ, there are...
19:52I would say that I've got about 150 favourite lines in the office.
19:55That is so strange, isn't it?
19:58That's what he's bragging about.
20:00Is Gareth going,
20:00He's throwing a kettle over a pub.
20:02What have you done?
20:03It's just fucking joyful.
20:06Absolutely joyful.
20:07And a three, the four.
20:11Oh, yes.
20:12Looking good.
20:14Come on now.
20:16Well, did it go over?
20:17Did it go over?
20:17Yeah, it came right past me.
20:19Good job, you wonder horse.
20:23Screw blockbusters.
20:24Screw my bonus and screw your goal run.
20:27No, you're right, I'm a loser, I'm a loser.
20:29Everyone was great.
20:30Everyone was really, really good.
20:32Yeah.
20:32And, you know, Olivia Colman.
20:34Oscar winner Olivia Colman.
20:36It's strange to think that.
20:38And she was just beautiful.
20:40Incredible.
20:41Yeah.
20:41She was absolutely brilliant.
20:43Yeah.
20:43Because I think my mark of, you know,
20:45a lot of the time my mark of people being brilliant is them doing nothing.
20:48Yes.
20:49But certainly in that show, I think the mark of you being,
20:51the better you are, the less you're doing sort of thing.
20:55And it's a fine line because some things,
20:57some bits need a bit more comedy oomph.
20:59But yeah, Olivia comes in.
21:01It's again, I think it's like a perfect scene.
21:06Brent mused and then replied.
21:07Sorry, Nadine.
21:08Go on.
21:08Do you just say what's on your mind and I'm getting it down?
21:11Well, are you getting it down?
21:12Because you're not doing shorthand and I'm going to be pretty...
21:17Just...
21:17Well, okay.
21:18Your question, I suppose, was,
21:20is it difficult to remain authoritative and yet so popular?
21:25Well, no, that wasn't my question.
21:26Well, should I answer that one first?
21:28Sorry, no.
21:28Can we just stick to my questions?
21:29Well, maybe you should be clear what the question is,
21:32because I'm getting a little bit and that's, you know.
21:35Okay.
21:45I remember we went to the Golden Globes.
21:49I didn't go to the Golden Globes.
21:50You didn't go to the Golden Globes?
21:52No.
21:52No.
21:53What were you doing?
21:54I was in a film with Al Pacino.
21:59That's my turn camera.
22:00I couldn't make it.
22:02What film was that?
22:04The Merchant of Venice.
22:07Again, who's heard of that?
22:08No one.
22:09No one can.
22:10I went to the Emmys, which we didn't win, but yeah, the Golden Globes, you...
22:13Were we up?
22:14We weren't up for it.
22:15Yeah, yeah.
22:15But I remember at the Globes, that you weren't at, and you were missed.
22:23And I remember people talking about the American one there.
22:25Right, okay.
22:26It was already started.
22:28It was already, you know, like that was the buzz.
22:30And I remember thinking, they don't need that.
22:33Yeah, yeah.
22:34What use have they for that?
22:35And of course, it meant a way, way bigger show than ours.
22:38I remember hearing about it and thinking, well, why?
22:45Why do they need to do that?
22:47We've done it, haven't we?
22:48I thought that, yeah.
22:50And I remember thinking, or joking at the time, one day that somebody will say about The Office,
22:57and I'll say I was in the original, and they'll say, I didn't realise it was in the original.
23:01And I thought that, and that's happened.
23:03That's certainly the way it was.
23:04Yeah, there are millions of people who don't know ours existed.
23:07Yeah.
23:07I've never seen The American Office.
23:09Have you not?
23:10I think I watched the first episode.
23:12Okay.
23:13Which was the same script as our first episode, pretty much.
23:17And then I never went back to watch it.
23:21Not because, not out of any petulance.
23:25Or hate?
23:26Yeah.
23:27It was just more hate than petulance.
23:28Y'all.
23:29Ha ha ha.
23:32Ha ha ha.
23:35Are you familiar with the term, laughter is the best medicine?
23:42Well, it's true.
23:44When you laugh, your brain releases endorphins, your stress hormones are reduced, and the
23:51oxygen supply to your blood is increased, so you feel...
23:55I try and laugh several times a day, just because it makes you feel good, so let's try
24:01that.
24:03Just...
24:05Come on, trust me, you'll feel...
24:20I don't like to give Ricky too much credit for anything, but God almighty, I do think
24:28overall that is one of the best performances of anything I've ever seen in anything.
24:33Because I think what he does really, really well is he goes right, right, right up to
24:39the line of what is credulous, or what is believable, and you think, there are people in real life
24:47that you think, well, no one would believe that, if you wrote this down, no one would
24:51believe it.
24:52And Brent is obviously kind of one of those people, but I think we've all genuinely seen
24:56people behave in that self-aggrandising way that they think they're imparting great wisdom
25:02to you, as he does in that thing, you know, laughing, laughing is the best...
25:06Even the way he does that, like he's helping people, it's so good.
25:14Pretty girl on the hood of a Cadillac, yeah, she's broken down on a freeway night, I take
25:22a look, get her engine started, I leave her purring and I roll on by, by, by, free love
25:29on the free love freeway, the love is free and the freeway's long.
25:34I've got some hot love on the hot love highway, ain't going home, cause my baby's gone, she's
25:41dead.
25:42She's not dead.
25:45I remember hearing, at the time, that McCartney used to get it videoed.
25:51Right, really?
25:52I was like, fuck it out, man.
25:54Yeah.
25:55Yeah.
25:55And I don't even, I think, I think that might have been true, but yeah, when you know that,
25:59or that people would stop, I remember I worked with Richard Curtis a bit after that, and he
26:05was like one of the people, and Sacha Baron Cohen, and that would say, no, you stop at
26:09fucking nine o'clock, you go and see the office, it was great, in the days when you had to
26:13do that, you know.
26:16Yeah, we had our, a real brief moment, and I've always been really, I don't know about
26:21you, I've always been really grateful that it was a brief moment.
26:24Yes.
26:25It was finite.
26:25Yeah, brief and finite, but it opened a whole load of doors for me, at least.
26:30I don't know if you found this at the time, cause you're, you know, I know you're a big
26:34music fan, but it felt like being in a band, and when I would come across musicians, and
26:41you know, people who I thought, oh wow, this person, and they liked the show as well, and
26:47it was like being in a cool indie band, who sort of had a crossover hit, you know.
26:51Yeah.
26:52But also, you know, we were treated like rock stars for a while there, we'd go to photo
26:58shoots together, or to these awards ceremonies, or whatever.
27:02You know, you, me, Ricky, and Lucy, yeah, we were bigger than the Beatles.
27:10What have I said?
27:11We're more bigger than the Beatles now.
27:13Yeah.
27:14Yeah.
27:15Yeah.
27:16Yeah.
27:18Yeah.
27:18Yeah.
27:28Yeah.
27:31Yeah.
27:33Yeah.
27:36Yeah.
27:36Yeah.
27:37Yeah.
27:37Yeah.
27:38Yeah.
27:39Yeah.
27:40Yeah.
27:43Yeah.
27:43Yeah.
27:44Yeah.
27:44Yeah.
27:45Yeah.
27:46Yeah.
27:46Yeah.
27:46Yeah.