E' il 18 settembre 2008. In una sartoria, sulla Domiziana, cadono sei ragazzi ghanesi sotto il fuoco di un numero spropositato di colpi. Solo uno si salva. Tutti gli indizi portano al clan dei Casalesi. Il giorno dopo gli Africani - delle diverse comunità presenti a Castelvolturno - scendono per le strade. Nei loro volti c'è incredulità, sconcerto e indignazione. Una tale efferatezza non si era mai vista prima.
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00:00:06a distant country and Africa, faiute palmare and arid mountains seeking freedom between steal and
00:00:12steals against a slavery to not know the end passing home and family, then they make them happen
00:00:26but who ever felt grateful that this was the end?
00:00:30tamburano 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, coppa domiziana and mesi pomaroli or sterrato
00:01:24the crime scene was particularly gruesome, it was a massacre
00:01:31unheard of ferocity, unheard of violence in short.
00:01:34The massacre took place inside a tailor's shop located on the Domitian state road at kilometre
00:01:4043, the victims are six and they are all young people from Ghana.
00:01:47Contrary to what it may seem or what one might think from simply reading the defendants
00:01:53of this process, this process is not a simple organized crime process,
00:02:00it is a process where the conduct which was then contested to the defendants is conducted
00:02:07which were not only carried out to impose the dominance of a criminal group in a given
00:02:14territory and in a specific historical period, but they are actions that have been carried out
00:02:22for terrorist purposes to instill terror in the population and for racial hatred purposes.
00:02:31Good evening, the Assize Court of Santa Maria Capoavetere is presided over by Dr. Elvica Pecelatro.
00:02:37The defendants are five, Giuseppe Setola, Letizia, Cirillo, Alluce and Granato, all belonging to
00:02:44to the terrible Casalesi clan. This evening the trial must shed light on the San
00:02:50Gennaro occurred on September 18, 2008 and on the attempted massacre of the month before, crimes
00:02:57all committed against non-EU citizens of color, Ghanaians and Nigerians. Certainly the clan of
00:03:04Casalesi is known for having committed horrible crimes, but one should not take it for granted.
00:03:08It is obvious that they committed this one too. In fact, at first it was immediately thought that it was
00:03:15a counter-argument took place between black drug dealers and Italian drug dealers. This caused
00:03:21the anger and protest of all Africans who not only saw their own people killed
00:03:27brothers, but they also felt criminalized and smeared.
00:03:32They gathered in front of the tailor's shop, there was an attack on two cars of the
00:03:41police and then there was a spontaneous procession along the whole Domiziana which this time also
00:03:48against the Italians and the citizens of Castelvolturno they attacked by breaking
00:03:53several shop windows.
00:03:54How many of these protesters were there, approximately?
00:03:59300, 400, 3-400.
00:04:02So a procession left from the site of the street?
00:04:04Yes, reaching right under the police station.
00:04:06It's true that there are also many good guys who come here to work.
00:04:37These are good guys, this is the football game, he is the shop, these are
00:04:42everyone's good.
00:04:43They came here to Italy, they came, they are behaving very badly, really badly,
00:04:47bad, they have to go, for me they are racist, I also called a little black boy to work,
00:04:51I kicked him out, they were leaving because they are thugs.
00:04:53The protest was born above all following the news that was spread by the press, by
00:05:01newspapers, from television too, I think, and that is that they were practically characters
00:05:08somehow connected to organized crime, somehow used for
00:05:16drug dealing and so on.
00:05:17So there was this protest because they believed that under the bodies, I mean, violent
00:05:25people were killed who somehow had nothing to do with these
00:05:30ties and criminal activities.
00:05:33I knew three of the people killed personally.
00:05:36We had taken care of, among them Aisa's uncle.
00:05:40We had personally supervised their path as asylum seekers, up until they obtained their
00:05:45of the residence permit for humanitarian reasons.
00:05:47People who had calluses on their hands, showed them and they had them.
00:05:51They were workers.
00:05:52Some were tailors, some were barbers, some were gardeners.
00:05:56They were workers and non-workers.
00:05:58So, please, let's leave the investigation to the judiciary, sooner or later it will come out
00:06:03why this massacre was carried out, but let's not give hasty news, the kind that arrives
00:06:13easily tops a drug control showdown, because it's probably
00:06:19This has absolutely nothing to do with it and we don't even give a hand to those who need it
00:06:22do the investigations.
00:06:23The black community revolted because the press began to stigmatize those
00:06:31people like criminals and drug dealers, which the African community knew perfectly well
00:06:37which wasn't true, because everyone knows that place but as a place of good people.
00:06:42Look, there was a reaction from the State to this indignation in relation to this
00:06:49massacre?
00:06:50Minister Maroni sent, asked for and then had other reinforcements sent to Parliament,
00:06:58another 500 men including police, carabinieri and financial police and the assistance of the army.
00:07:04He declared textually that the Caserta Camorra had declared war on the State and that it
00:07:10The State had to take back that territory by capturing the fugitives, all the guilty parties.
00:07:16who had carried out both the massacre of the citizens of Canese and all the other actions up to that point
00:07:20day.
00:07:25We immediately sent 400 police officers, carabinieri and investigators to reinforce
00:07:34and precisely to give impetus to the investigations.
00:07:40In the next Council of Ministers I brought an urgent decree law which decided to send
00:07:47of 500 soldiers in Caserta.
00:07:53The first to arrive were the military paratroopers and basically their task was to
00:08:03to further protect, to guarantee an additional security framework for the patrols
00:08:10who worked in the area.
00:08:17I remember telling the Senate that this was a real civil war.
00:08:27The civil war was the one in Spain, the civil war was the war between the partisans and the
00:08:33republicans of the Republic of Salò, but certainly not made in those ways
00:08:39from Sitola and his companions, if it was them.
00:08:43It was an act aimed at sowing terror among citizens and in the community to impose the
00:08:52domination of a mafia clan, the Camorra in this case, over all the activities that take place
00:09:01they carry out economic activities, social life relational activities in that area,
00:09:08thus replacing the State, dictating its own law in place of the State.
00:09:13All the individual episodes were part of a much more complex strategy, carried out
00:09:21precisely from the criminal organization, aimed, in our opinion, at establishing a
00:09:28new climate of terror towards entrepreneurs and the local population in general.
00:09:33And from here the so-called Caserta model was born, that is, a table for coordinating activities
00:09:39investigative and territorial control activities, implemented by the Police Headquarters,
00:09:45to coordinate an action that would protect the territory without hindering the investigations.
00:09:50Then there was also a direct commitment from the Campania Region for the repatriation of the bodies of the
00:09:57six non-EU citizens and then there was this demonstration in Baiaverde with the presence of Miriam Makeber
00:10:04who then, after having traveled the world, chosen, I don't know if I would choose anyway, died in Cassavoltù.
00:10:21I'm here, dear friends, brothers and sisters, to say let's learn to live together.
00:10:33How many people are of Nigerian, Ghanaian, or African nationality in the municipality of Cassavoltù?
00:10:42We are talking about around 10,000 people present in the Cassavoltù area, including both regular and irregular migrants.
00:10:48Is this a deeply rooted community? Has it been present in the Cassavoltù area for a long time?
00:10:54Some of these ethnic groups certainly have, since the 1980s.
00:11:10The fury that broke out the next day was also due to the fact that the attackers showed up disguised as policemen.
00:11:18with flashing vests and this deceived and made the victims more vulnerable and this fact is testified in court by
00:11:28'sole survivor.
00:11:29How many people did you see get out of the car? One or more?
00:11:36First I am a person who gets out of the car, so when I saw this person I was calm because it was the police,
00:11:42police.
00:11:42If it gets checked I've cleaned it, so I have nothing to worry about.
00:11:46Seeing the police arrive to shoot in their belief was to say but there is, yes ok, okay we are black,
00:11:55okay, we didn't allow it, but shooting at them is too much.
00:11:59What was the purpose of the flashing light that made you bring the flashing light with you?
00:12:05It was to avoid further police checkpoints and it was also what we had to appear to the public.
00:12:15non-EU citizens
00:12:15members of the police force to be able to reassure our arrival and immobilize them
00:12:23so that we could do the thing that was done.
00:12:29Aimbora the survivor and Oreste Spagnolo the repentant are the main witnesses for the prosecution.
00:12:36Aimbora because he recognized the faces of all his attackers except Setel and Oreste Spagnolo because he took part in the massacre.
00:12:43But these elements, these two witnesses are certainly important but not sufficient.
00:12:49And in fact the prosecution is looking for other clues and the first is given by the camera of a restaurant located a few steps away
00:12:56hundreds of meters from the Sartoria.
00:12:58The video footage that was acquired during the investigations constitutes an independent source of evidence,
00:13:07essential and in itself decisive for the reconstruction of responsibilities.
00:13:12The Totore restaurant which is 70-80 metres away from the Sartoria where the massacre took place
00:13:20It had a video recording system overlooking the Domitian road.
00:13:26Video is essential because it allows you to detect a series of movements of people and vehicles
00:13:33in the phases immediately preceding, some movements in the phases of the massacre itself and movements even following the massacre itself.
00:13:43The camera frames the entrance of the restaurant, frames the Domitian and reaches the entrance of the Sartoria,
00:13:53but in a much more nuanced way.
00:13:54This is the first image of interest.
00:13:57So a motorbike, one person on board, road model, racing model.
00:14:02Following immediately is a car, presumably a small car,
00:14:07which, and here it is very evident, turns on the brake lights.
00:14:11The car and the motorbike slow to a stop at this point.
00:14:18So in the video you see a car and a motorbike.
00:14:21And this confirms the statements made by Spagnolo,
00:14:25who talked about a motorcycle driven by Davide Granato
00:14:29and of a car in which there were him, Sesola, Letizia and Cirillo.
00:14:34The Garnet came in symbiosis with us.
00:14:40We were copies attached to the back of the motorbike.
00:14:43When this actress came out, he slowed down and waved at us.
00:14:46And it stopped about 10 meters ahead.
00:14:49We had our flashing lights on and Sitola was the first to get out of the car.
00:14:56So the witness evidence and the video evidence are in conflict.
00:15:00But let's go back to this video,
00:15:03which also filmed the phases following the arrival of the car and motorbike.
00:15:10In the lower part we notice people coming out from inside the restaurant.
00:15:12One of them appears, reaches the edge of the road, the other stays here,
00:15:18and a third one comes out and stops at the door.
00:15:22So three people outside, two or three looking north, in the direction of the Sartoria.
00:15:29One comes back and that's where something happens.
00:15:33The one in white runs away, but immediately afterwards the other person catches up with him.
00:15:38We are aware that he reaches it, even slips.
00:15:41He slips on the mat that was there.
00:15:43Because the impetus escapes inside, after all.
00:15:46How many seconds did the massacre last?
00:15:4729 seconds.
00:15:4829 seconds.
00:15:50Listen, how long did this action last, more or less?
00:15:54About thirty seconds.
00:15:5730-35 seconds.
00:15:59Investigators are aware that a motorcycle and a car were seen at the scene of the massacre.
00:16:07But what's happening?
00:16:09That on September 30th, in the Grotte del Sole hideout, where Spagnolo, Letizia and Cirilla were arrested,
00:16:17a car and a motorbike were found.
00:16:21And so the investigators are wondering if these are the very ones seen on the Domiziana in front of the Sartoria on the day of the massacre.
00:16:30And then we try to trace the origin of these means.
00:16:34I don't remember the exact day, but it was the first few days of July.
00:16:39I soon remember my dealership, Molo Giovanni, where he invited me to follow him because there were some people who liked me
00:16:48they wanted to talk.
00:16:50I asked who these people were who wanted to talk to me and he gave me the names of Sedola Giuseppe and
00:16:57Cyril Alexander.
00:16:58I told him no, that if they had anything to tell me, they could tell him directly.
00:17:05After, I think, half an hour he came back telling me that I had to deliver two motorcycles to him.
00:17:11I went to the drummer Luigi, I explained the situation to him, that Sedola wanted a CBR 1000, 1000 engine and a
00:17:21Transalp.
00:17:22And the drummer there and then said to me, Gioama, that you are asking me for an exorcism.
00:17:27I told him no, I need these two motorcycles. He refused.
00:17:32I was forced to tell him I'm sorry, I can't because my company is managed by two doctors, judicial administrators, so
00:17:39is subject to preventive seizure.
00:17:41I'm not able to give you these two motorcycles. Tell the person who sent you that I'm sorry but
00:17:47it's not possible.
00:17:48That same evening I went to Sedola and told him that the drummer had denied me the motorcycles.
00:17:56That evening, when they received the answer, they organized themselves to go and carry out an act of intimidation in the windows of this shop.
00:18:04concession.
00:18:07I was in the bathroom taking a shower after finishing my work day.
00:18:15My wife, who was in the kitchen, since I live 20-30 meters from this business, my wife heard the shots.
00:18:23And when he looked out he noticed some fire lamps coming out of these weapons and he ran to the bathroom to call me to
00:18:33say they're shooting, they're shooting.
00:18:35And I went downstairs and we opened the gates and went inside the courtyard and noticed everything outside.
00:18:42I only saw Peppe Sedola, he had a Valaschinov in his hand that he was shooting, and then he was shooting Letizia and the rest
00:18:49Spanish with two pistols.
00:18:51Do you remember how many gunshots?
00:18:53No, this was told to me by the Carabinieri, that there were approximately 80 rounds of Kalashnikovs and pistols.
00:19:01large caliber.
00:19:02So it was a very serious intimidation?
00:19:04Unfortunately, the holes are still there.
00:19:09So right after this very heavy intimidation, what happens next?
00:19:13My cousin, Tamburino Raffaele, came to me and asked me to take a tour.
00:19:19He got in the car with him, as we were starting to walk, he told me that he had shown up at his house
00:19:26Giuseppe and asked him to come to my house to pick me up.
00:19:31For me it was unexpected that my cousin, because he is a very strange person in these things, stayed there and I
00:19:40he said, what are you saying?
00:19:41I mean, stop the car, come with me, these guys will kill us both, I mean, it's not possible.
00:19:46He with a very white face, who by the way I know has had heart problems, scared too,
00:19:54he said how do I get home?
00:19:55This is at my house. At that point knowing that he was at home and that in any case it was his house,
00:20:01the poor thing, his wife and children were there too, I was afraid of my family but automatically...
00:20:08So did he follow it?
00:20:08Yes, yes, no, with him in the car.
00:20:09Did he follow it?
00:20:10Yes.
00:20:10So he followed him and who was at Tamburino Raffaele's house?
00:20:14She was sitting at the table.
00:20:19I'm starting to insult myself, I don't know if I can use this theme, anyway my name is Sheep Dog, he said that I
00:20:25I was an intractable person, who did not make myself available to anyone and who did not look anyone in the face.
00:20:34To this thing I keep saying, they are no longer two motorcycles, but they become four and he must also give me
00:20:40one hundred thousand euros.
00:20:42To say, look, everything is seized, that is, beyond anything else, you have created other problems for me that
00:20:46I don't understand why.
00:20:48I mean, I shot you, he replied to this.
00:20:52Me personally.
00:20:54But I told him, okay, if you thought it was right to do this, I don't know, that has changed.
00:21:01And he told me that at that point I had to give him four motorcycles, I repeat, and a request was made to me
00:21:06of one hundred thousand euros.
00:21:07I tried to make him understand that it was practically impossible.
00:21:11If I couldn't have two motorcycles, then I could have four and then even one hundred thousand euros.
00:21:16And he replied that he didn't want to know anything, that it wasn't his problem, that otherwise he wouldn't open it again.
00:21:22I understood that things were starting to get even hotter, I tried, in short, to reduce the damage and to
00:21:28try to get away from that place as soon as possible.
00:21:30And if you, then I try to move away.
00:21:32And I told him, I just said, look, I can't make any commitments, I'll see what I can do, but definitely not
00:21:41these will be, that is, I cannot fulfill your requests.
00:21:47I'm telling you very clearly, kill me because it's useless for me to tell you yes and then after I know that I don't
00:21:52I can do it.
00:21:52After what happens?
00:21:53Nothing, he doesn't want to know anything, he says no, I'll send you the documents and you still have to register the motorcycles, if
00:21:58no I'll put a bomb under it, both the business and I'll put it under your house too.
00:22:02How many motorcycles are you delivering in total?
00:22:04There are two motorcycles, the Transalp and the CBR, then there were a series of scooters including the SH 125,
00:22:12300, I don't remember if there were even some 150.
00:22:16Many weapons were also found in the Grotta del Sole lair, and the ballistic examination of these weapons gives
00:22:25a decisive turning point in the investigation because it turns out that these weapons have been used in many murders, but above all for
00:22:34as far as we are concerned, they were used in the San Gennaro massacre and in the attempted massacre.
00:22:41On that occasion, ten weapons were seized: seven pistols, two submachine guns and a shotgun.
00:22:56The clambidognetta is a vice that the guns, which kill people, are not thrown away, they are cleaned, let's say
00:23:05in their own way, they are cleaned, the firing pin is filed down and they are used in subsequent murders.
00:23:13For us it's not that we throw away the gun after every murder, no, sometimes we got to the point that the gun
00:23:22he was shooting crosswise.
00:23:24A semi-automatic pistol, Pietro Beretta brand, caliber 9x21, with serial number brasa, was certainly used in the Orsi, Granata murder.
00:23:40The unfinished massacre of August 18, 2008.
00:23:48Po, po, po, po, po, so I see that those who are, excuse me, we are saved by a miracle, doctor, come on.
00:24:00The second gun, the semi-automatic Pietro Beretta pistol, model 92FS, caliber 9 Luger, would be a weapon supplied to the
00:24:08police forces, with serial number Brasa, this one too, was used for the Noviello murder, for the Cieliento murder and
00:24:16for the massacre of September 18th.
00:24:24Weapons for the clan are like bread, they're a famata. The more weapons there are, the more satisfied the clan is.
00:24:33So, according to the prosecution, the ballistic analysis links without a shadow of a doubt the weapons to the crimes and the crimes to ours.
00:24:42current defendants, because these weapons were seized in the very hideout where some of the defendants were arrested.
00:24:50But the searches of this hideout always reserve surprises and provide other useful and very important elements for the prosecution.
00:25:03And so this moment, that of the arrest, on September 30, 2008, has a vital importance for the investigation, precisely
00:25:11because even some notes pertaining to the Casselvolturno massacre were found.
00:25:18They were found in a garbage can in the kitchen. It was emptied and pieces of post-it notes were found.
00:25:29then, recomposed, we traced some indications.
00:25:37So, tell me about these reassembled notes. First of all, did they all have a sender's name?
00:25:45Almost everyone, yes, everyone with the name Peppe.
00:25:48Pepper.
00:25:48Pepper.
00:25:50So, tell me the content.
00:25:51So, the first recomposed note, we have, there was the wording, dear Reste, I send you my most sincere greetings
00:25:58of great good.
00:26:00Dear brother, I promise I will solve your problem in a few days.
00:26:06I have to talk to someone, as soon as victory is achieved, let him always be a terrorist, a kiss, your brother Peppe.
00:26:13Listen, do you remember how Setola communicated with you when he didn't meet you in person?
00:26:22Either he sent us notes or he sent people to send us to the basciata.
00:26:28Because in that period, immediately after the massacre, the army was mobilized on the territory, army, carabinieri, police, so it was almost
00:26:39impossible to move.
00:26:41To avoid being captured, he sent people he trusted or sent these notes to address them.
00:26:50us.
00:26:50The second note, dear Davide, I send you my best regards, it's urgent, get the money from the dirty ones
00:27:00blacks, a kilogram of drugs, let us know, greetings, your Peppe.
00:27:04I remember that on the note that was delivered to Davide Granato it was written go to those dirty blacks, get them to give you
00:27:1350,000 euros or a kilo of cocaine and then something was written underneath, always under the view.
00:27:21This is what he sent to Davide Granato.
00:27:30So the sender of this note tells Davide, who is the one we later identify as Davide Granato, that
00:27:39go to the blacks, dirty blacks, and get money for a kilogram of cocaine.
00:27:44This second note is addressed by Setola to Davide Granato, one of the current defendants and introduces the topic of drugs,
00:27:54of drug dealing and black drug dealers.
00:27:57But why is it addressed to Davide Granato? Because according to the investigators Davide Granato was the one who controlled the market of
00:28:08drugs inside the Coppola village.
00:28:10When did you meet Davide Granato?
00:28:17I have known Davide Granato for many years, when he lived in the Coppola village with his family.
00:28:23Since I'm from the area, we've known each other for 23 or 24 years. Davide Granato also had drug dealings.
00:28:30Do you know where this drug dealing square was located?
00:28:36In the village of Coppola.
00:28:47Listen, what period does this management and control of this drug dealing center date back to?
00:28:53But in 2006? Doctor, even years before, he was always doing drugs.
00:28:59Mr. President, I want to say something. I don't know how to defend myself regarding what Amatrudi said in the chamber.
00:29:06But I can tell you one thing. In 2006, when I committed the crime of dealing drugs in the Coppola village,
00:29:12The director of the Belli Sirpino prison and the commander were also with me.
00:29:17Because I was detained at the time. I've been detained since 2004.
00:29:21How is it possible that he says this?
00:29:24This is proof that Massimo Amatrudi is telling untrue things.
00:29:28I know that you decide, but this way neither my lawyers nor I can contradict what he says.
00:29:36Massimo Amatrudi.
00:29:36Setola charged Davide Granato to find a black person to give a one-off payment every month to bring a
00:29:46income of 30,000-50,000 euros per month.
00:29:50Do you know who identified Davide Granato for this purpose?
00:29:56Yes, yes, Tony. He's a former authoritarian who used to frequent a pub near Fontana Blu.
00:30:01It therefore emerges from the statements of the informants that Setola wanted to restore control of the drugs in the territory believed to be Casalesi.
00:30:12A control that had been questioned precisely by black drug dealers who did not want to pay.
00:30:18And the mediator was supposed to be a Nigerian named Tony.
00:30:24Did you know the name Granato Davide? He introduced you to a Nigerian, you told me?
00:30:29Yes, a Nigerian, this one could point us to his fellow villagers who sold drugs.
00:30:36She indicated a location where these drug traffickers were located or even showed her places where they were
00:30:42did they find?
00:30:44We drove past where the tailor shop was.
00:30:47He told me that they worked there as a cover, but underneath they had an international drug dealing business that they also supplied.
00:30:55the 167 of Secondigliano of heroin and cocaine.
00:31:01Then, seeing the massacre on television, I understood that it was the same place.
00:31:15Listen carefully to this fact.
00:31:16The head of this situation is not Sedona Giuseppe, it is not Cirillo, it is not Petite Letizia.
00:31:21It's this Tony, this pseudo Tony.
00:31:24And who is this Tony?
00:31:25What made me commanded by a non-EU citizen, Mr. President?
00:31:29I don't hate them, for heaven's sake, I'm not racist, but I didn't let this pseudo-man dictate to me.
00:31:40Tony, because I don't know him personally, I've never seen him.
00:31:43That famous Tony, and here, thinking badly hurts us, okay? It's true.
00:31:51But is it possible that with all the reference points, is it possible that this Tony was not
00:32:00identified?
00:32:01What did I do, Mr. President? With logic.
00:32:06If Davide had a garnet, he would say do something for me, make me a date with this pseudo Tony.
00:32:14And he made the appointment with me.
00:32:15He talked to us, and told us these things.
00:32:18Listen, you deal drugs, you're better, you stay on our territory.
00:32:23Either you have the money, or you're the first to get killed.
00:32:27The simplest thing, without making anything bad happen and without making anything bad happen.
00:32:32Now follow me for a moment, because I'm going to have to talk about something that has never convinced me.
00:32:40It is said on their part, on their part, that Peppe Setola, always Peppe Setola, Peppe Setola and omnipresent,
00:32:50He wanted to impose a bribe on black people who were dealing drugs.
00:32:57who were dealing drugs.
00:32:59This spasmodic will to obtain this bribe through a methodology, through a haphazard action,
00:33:10in the true sense of the word, rambling, it doesn't convince me.
00:33:14So, according to the defense, Setola, described by all as a boss, would never have lowered himself to deal with
00:33:25simple drug dealers
00:33:26to see their rights affirmed.
00:33:30And therefore the motive must not be sought, always according to the defense, in drugs, but elsewhere.
00:33:38And in fact it must be recognized that there is an indication in this direction in the trial.
00:33:43And it comes right from that note that we have already seen, addressed by Setola to Davide Granato,
00:33:51where a certain Marcello is mentioned.
00:33:55Dear Davide, I send you my warmest regards.
00:33:59Make the appointment with Marcello, this time not with kindness, but with force.
00:34:12Can you tell us your general information?
00:34:15Lorenzo Marcello, born in Castelvortuno, January 16, 1957.
00:34:21Yes, good morning Mr. Marcello, listen, I would like to ask some preliminary questions.
00:34:26Have you held public office or performed institutional roles over time?
00:34:30Mayor of Castelvortuno from 1983 to 1992, deputy mayor from 2005 to 2009.
00:34:38Listen, do you remember if this note also referred to Marcello?
00:34:45Yes, Lorenzo Marcello, who had to go to this Lorenzo Marcello's house, call him kindly.
00:34:53If he wouldn't come by kindness, he would have to take him by force and bring him before Setola.
00:35:01Are we still talking about the same note, therefore addressed to Davide Granato?
00:35:06Yes, because Davide Granato lived on the same street as Lorenzo Marcello.
00:35:12I understand.
00:35:14I was practically approached at home, directly at home, because they were knocking on the intercom.
00:35:21I didn't answer, to tell the truth, the gentleman who knocked on the intercom said I was Davide.
00:35:27And then later, with great amazement, I learned that the gentleman who came to the house, Mr. Granato,
00:35:38then he lived practically 500 meters from my house.
00:35:41And he, as soon as I opened the gate with a firm, strong tone, practically told me that I was having the wrong attitude.
00:35:52because I didn't want to meet Setola.
00:35:56His job was to get me together, otherwise Setola would have solved the problem in his own way.
00:36:04But why?
00:36:09Go to Marcello Lorenzo, go to Marcello Lorenzo and this time you don't have to take him easy,
00:36:19but give him a little tug on the ear, I want to be good, benevolent, and bring him before me.
00:36:28But why?
00:36:30What's bothering us about Lorenzo Marcello's bribes to Nigerians and company?
00:36:38Let's ask ourselves this.
00:36:40My answer was
00:36:43I don't have to go to anyone or meet anyone.
00:36:48Then when Mr. Setola decides to come and solve the matter in his own way,
00:36:53since you know my house why did you come to my house,
00:36:56I live here.
00:36:56When you come, I mean, we'll see what happens.
00:37:00Did you find out who the person who came to you was?
00:37:06But to tell the truth, I asked the driver from the municipality.
00:37:10I mean, if he frequents the Pineta Mare, the Viraggio, those areas a bit,
00:37:16I mean, a certain Davide came to my house, well, I asked for Davide and company.
00:37:22And he actually made me understand, you know.
00:37:25And when he told her who David was, what did he make her understand?
00:37:28Ah, I use a term, if I remember correctly, I have to define boss, a boss.
00:37:35This is the version given by the deputy mayor of the meeting between him and Davide Granato.
00:37:41A concise and reductive version that pushes the President of the Court
00:37:46to call a so-called reference test to understand more.
00:37:52This test is the driver of the municipality.
00:38:04Does Marcello Lorenzo know them?
00:38:09Yes, for years.
00:38:10In early summer 2008.
00:38:15Lorenzo Marcello asked her about a person who had knocked on her intercom, a certain Davide.
00:38:26Yes, he asked me and I told him that he lived in that area, in his area.
00:38:33That's what I asked, I answered.
00:38:35Just this, I said?
00:38:36Yes, I am not myself because I am here, in truth.
00:38:40And did you give any indications about what kind of person Davide was?
00:38:44No, I don't know him in the video.
00:38:45There's a Land Registry employee, a good guy, a gambler, who knows, to say a few things.
00:38:54How come he doesn't know him?
00:38:55She said where she lived.
00:38:56Yes, I know him because if I would say that I have been in Cazzafortuna for 68 years, I have been a municipal employee for 25 years.
00:39:02Do you know how many years have passed for the municipality?
00:39:04I know him by sight, if I see him I know it.
00:39:05But I don't know what he does, what activity he does.
00:39:08Excuse me, but how come you and Davide immediately thought of this guy who lives on your Via Lent?
00:39:16Because the question he asked me says, a Davide who lives here in the area, in Pineta Mare, via Porchiera, via
00:39:24Veneto.
00:39:24And he says, a Davide who lives on Via Veneto, lives a little, no, on Via Veneto, on Via Veneto.
00:39:29Surely you made sure he lived in the area, Lorenzo Manceli told him.
00:39:33Who lived in the area?
00:39:37No, I don't remember the exact words as he said them to me, but he made me understand more or less who
00:39:42era.
00:39:43But he immediately understood who he was, then I don't know.
00:39:45That morning I remember he was a little scared.
00:39:49And he told me, do you know a certain Davide, I was like that for a bit.
00:39:53Then he said, yes, maybe he's the one who lives on Via Lent, he's here on Via Porchiera.
00:39:57He said this.
00:39:58Did he tell her for the reasons he was concerned, what had happened?
00:40:03And what did he tell her?
00:40:05What did he tell her?
00:40:06That they had gone to his house and...
00:40:10I don't remember what the conversation was about, exactly, because it wasn't my business.
00:40:15I don't know who Davide went to his house for, because then I didn't see him, I didn't.
00:40:20I know.
00:40:20I heard from him, from Lorenzo, that he said that...
00:40:23But not...
00:40:24What Lorenzo said was that he had gone to his house.
00:40:26I did not understand.
00:40:27If you count what the deputy mayor said, this person had gone to his house.
00:40:36Yes, this is the photo.
00:40:44Did you know Giuseppe Setola by name at that time?
00:40:48In name, yes.
00:40:49In what sense?
00:40:50From the press sources, I mean, Setola was reported as the leader of a group,
00:40:56practically defined as a fire group, even, these were the definitions reported by the newspaper,
00:41:02so, well, this was the opinion I had formed through the press.
00:41:07When he refused, what was David's reaction, if there was one?
00:41:14How did it manifest itself to you?
00:41:17No, if you are in the car and he is gone.
00:41:20At the first refusal, she talked about how she would have reached their way,
00:41:24if I understand correctly, this is the summary of his narrative.
00:41:27How did he say all this?
00:41:29Did he say it in an excited, aggressive, neutral, polite manner?
00:41:35How did he address her?
00:41:37Quite strongly, in short.
00:41:39He was also quite telegraphic,
00:41:41he says she keeps making mistakes,
00:41:44in short, he doesn't want to meet Setola, it means that if he continues to refuse,
00:41:49He will then solve the problem in his own way.
00:41:51Did she manage to understand what Setola and his emissaries wanted from her?
00:41:59The only thing I can imagine, in short,
00:42:02it means that at that time in Castelvortuno there were a series of activities,
00:42:07I can imagine that these were the reasons why they wanted to meet with an administrator.
00:42:11What were these public works that were to be carried out in Castelvortuno at that time,
00:42:18in the municipality, which in any case were under your municipal administration?
00:42:21The tourist port of Pineta Mare was supposed to start,
00:42:26they were about to start the construction of a new golf course with hotels,
00:42:32in short, a sports citadel.
00:42:35There were, I mean, a number of activities going on
00:42:37that they could somehow, for one, I mean, who holds...
00:42:41Exactly, appetizing.
00:42:43The most important works concerned the tourist port of Pineta Mare
00:42:49and the construction of the new hospital center
00:42:52which was headed by Doctor Schiavone at the Pineta Grande clinic.
00:42:59Excuse me, Doctor Schiavone, the one from the Pineta Mare clinic,
00:43:02As far as you know, is he related to Francesco Schiavone, nicknamed Sandocan?
00:43:08I don't think so.
00:43:10He thinks not.
00:43:10No, I mean yes.
00:43:12I tell her yes instead.
00:43:13I tell you yes because he said so.
00:43:16What a relative.
00:43:17Of course, the cousin.
00:43:18So some agreements had already been made.
00:43:22for the construction of numerous public works
00:43:26and these agreements had been signed by the region, province, municipality and private individuals.
00:43:31Well, according to the defense, the motive for this massacre should be sought right here.
00:43:38which would have been committed to force non-EU citizens to move away from these areas
00:43:46so as not to constitute an obstacle to private investments
00:43:52which, as we have heard, among these private individuals
00:43:55there was not only Sandocan's cousin, known as a leader of the Casalesi clans,
00:44:02but also Coppola, a family of builders
00:44:06known for its numerous and troubled legal affairs.
00:44:11But, forgive me, you were a representative of the municipality of Castelvolturno
00:44:17from 83 to 90.
00:44:20Okay, we all know the devastation that was done to the Maniali lands.
00:44:24by Coppola for the construction of the Coppola village.
00:44:28But, excuse me, you are going to make a program agreement
00:44:31with someone who caused that mess.
00:44:34Did she do this or not?
00:44:35Excuse me, lawyer, what do we care about what you personally, privately evaluated the test for?
00:44:43I want to know...
00:44:44As long as we can take part in the public, institutional role,
00:44:50but in his private, personal role...
00:44:53Mr. President, forgive me, I am certainly not required to explain.
00:44:56to the Court or to the Public Prosecutor the interest of my questions.
00:45:00Well, we should understand, we should understand the purpose of his questions.
00:45:04Clearly, honestly, this is about motive, please.
00:45:08Because if we have to hide behind the finger of hypocrisy
00:45:11and to say that the massacre, if it was committed by Setola,
00:45:15she was committed for drugs and singing company,
00:45:18I never believed this.
00:45:20So I have to dig, I have to get to the bottom of it,
00:45:22I have to go and look, to touch other interests,
00:45:25those hundreds and hundreds of millions of euros.
00:45:29In naming Coppola, the defense wants to point out that it is the Coppola village itself
00:45:36the symbol of the compromise between public and private affairs
00:45:42which has blighted, and perhaps still blights, the Domitian coast.
00:45:48The Coppola village was built at the end of the 1960s
00:45:52on a public area, on one of the most beautiful coastlines of Campania.
00:45:57Eight towers, villas with sea view, hotels, commercial activities,
00:46:02a large tourist center inhabited by the families of American soldiers for twenty years.
00:46:07Until the 1980s, when the NATO base was downsized,
00:46:11Coppola village is used for earthquake emergencies.
00:46:16At this point a struggle begins between the public administration and the owners
00:46:20on who should manage the maintenance.
00:46:23It is so degraded that even earthquake victims are abandoning it.
00:46:28The entire area falls into the hands of organized crime,
00:46:31to drug dealing and a predominantly African population.
00:46:36The Coppola village is part of the program agreements between the region, the municipality and private individuals
00:46:42for the redevelopment of the entire Domitia area.
00:46:49Campania region, province of Caserta, they didn't chase a tube.
00:46:53They didn't do anything.
00:46:54The financial exposure was entirely private.
00:46:57But do you want private individuals, who had already deforested the territory for their own purposes,
00:47:07they expose themselves for hundreds and hundreds of millions of euros
00:47:15and are they not interested in that, so to speak, of qualification of the Domitian coast?
00:47:22Do you really want to know who is investing huge sums in redevelopment?
00:47:30Golf course, new hotels, but he was not interested, so to speak,
00:47:38to the concrete redevelopment of the territory?
00:47:44Why was there no investigation?
00:47:54If Peppe Setolo must be sentenced to life imprisonment, let him be sentenced to life imprisonment.
00:48:00But we had to dig.
00:48:02Because it's a trifle, it's nonsense, it's an extremely reductive thesis.
00:48:08to support, to sustain, that the cause of the massacre was the lack of response
00:48:18of Nigerians, of Ghanaians, I don't know who, for the payment of the bribe.
00:48:25If they were interested in capitalizing on that huge chunk of money,
00:48:35which was the redevelopment, but do you really want these people to start doing it?
00:48:39the massacre of Nigerians for 20,000 euros a month?
00:48:45It's not possible.
00:48:47Listen, as far as you can remember, there were places affected by the execution of the agreement
00:48:52of programs that were dilapidated, inhabited by homeless people or other situations
00:49:01similar ones that made a restructuring necessary, therefore a possible removal on the part of
00:49:09of the subjects.
00:49:10There are some buildings on Castelvortunio, rather than buildings of the agglomerations, where
00:49:15it's actually a world apart.
00:49:18We also had the opportunity to verify, in short, that there were people, now more than
00:49:23people, in short, I'm sorry to say, they were human larvae.
00:49:43At this time of freeing the territory to invest in from degradation, the process does not
00:49:50has achieved clarity, it remains in the background as a possible, but unproven, motive.
00:49:56But all the defendants were also charged with two aggravating circumstances, that of terrorism
00:50:03and racism.
00:50:07Mr. President, we live in a dictatorship, to speak of the newspapers, in a dictatorship for
00:50:13to say the mass media, because this is a trial, Mr. President, that you have a
00:50:18huge responsibility, but not only for Italy, but for the whole world, because
00:50:23we have to show that we are not racist and we have to condemn everyone, but Mr.
00:50:28Mr. President, I declare myself innocent. I did not commit this massacre, I was not there.
00:50:32Anyone who found themselves there would have immediately, instinctively, rationally and emotionally
00:50:40perceived that it was A.
00:50:42A massacre B.
00:50:44That since all the victims were black, it was a massacre for discriminatory purposes C.
00:50:50That an action of that kind could only be understood in a logic of dissemination
00:50:57terror.
00:50:57There was no doubt about it.
00:51:00Granato apparently said, Sedola, he wanted the blacks and I gave them to him.
00:51:05The idea of saying that all black people are the same, they are all criminals and 90% are drug dealers.
00:51:12They must be killed.
00:51:13Women and children, women and children, it's not a problem.
00:51:16It's all flesh and blood.
00:51:18But forgive me, I must here break a lance in favor of Spagnuolo.
00:51:23Because Spagnuolo told us countless times, and he also told the public prosecutor,
00:51:29that this alleged and unfounded, but good, extortionate claim, concerned only the people
00:51:37of color who were dealing.
00:51:42They were dealing drugs.
00:51:44So don't come and tell me that the crime of massacre exists, don't come and tell me
00:51:50that the aggravating circumstance of racial hatred exists.
00:51:54Because the color of the skin, the color of the skin, wanting to borrow a beautiful expression
00:52:01of the Honorable Di Pietro, has nothing to do with it, it has nothing to do with it at all.
00:52:06They wanted to hit certain individuals, individuals who acted in a certain way.
00:52:13and who committed certain crimes.
00:52:16In this specific case, the aggravating circumstance of racial hatred does not exist.
00:52:22Nobody, nobody talks about hatred, nobody expresses hatred towards these people because they have
00:52:32a different skin color.
00:52:33A collaborator of justice reported on the training that took place with weapons
00:52:42that on some occasion, for mere demonstration purposes, almost in playful quotation marks, you had shot
00:52:55in the legs of blacks to practice using weapons.
00:53:00Oh, yes, maes, yes.
00:53:03Do you remember this circumstance if you trained?
00:53:09Lawyer, I have never trained with the maes and so on.
00:53:15Non-EU citizens were not used as guinea pigs in our country.
00:53:20Excuse me, excuse me, but I interrupt, when you say from us, you mean you're talking about yourself, you...
00:53:25No, no, he doesn't speak with the pluralis maestatis.
00:53:28So, please let us know who you mean.
00:53:34So, I mean, in the group that I was part of, I'm talking about Cirillo, about Letizia, it never happened to us
00:53:43to see a black person and say
00:53:45Let's do target shooting, then whether someone else did it for training, I don't know.
00:53:51But I would like to ask this about the racial award, Mr. President.
00:53:55Please.
00:53:55Because this fact is very close to my heart.
00:53:57Please.
00:53:57So, I would like to say, I am a person who was born into a humble and dignified family.
00:54:03My father never let me lack anything, not bread, not meat in my house.
00:54:07He always taught me the difference between good and evil.
00:54:10Unfortunately, my destiny was evil.
00:54:14Unfortunately.
00:54:15So, I would like to say, in 2004 I was in prison, I was in prison to say in Santa Maria Capovedere.
00:54:22There were four black immigrants.
00:54:29When we were doing the placements, there was a guy called Mamma Duca, I still remember him, he had a son Williams.
00:54:36This son had a pathology, he had glaucoma in his eyes.
00:54:40This child didn't have the money to get this treatment, because they were also illegal immigrants.
00:54:46I found the professor to do the treatments and I gave him 20,000 euros for my
00:54:50pocket.
00:54:51Racial hatred.
00:54:53Mr. President, I mean, this fact doesn't exist at all, it doesn't exist, it's not in my nature.
00:54:59Because it doesn't exist to say killing people on a whim, or killing them because they deal drugs.
00:55:05I didn't care about this fact at all.
00:55:08They called us cowards, beasts, etc., etc.
00:55:13We didn't hear any beasts.
00:55:14Professor Sandoiani asked me to teach my daughter.
00:55:22She is a 13-year-old girl, she goes to school.
00:55:25She is very polite and is taught very well by my wife and her grandparents.
00:55:32There is an education without offense to anyone who is in the classroom very, very, very, very polite.
00:55:39It's a trial where I could finish in five minutes asking for sentences for all the defendants.
00:55:44because there is absolutely no chance, not even a thousand chances of salvation, not even on appeal.
00:55:48There is just no chance.
00:55:51I am requesting for Giuseppe Setola the essential penalty under Article 73 of life imprisonment plus 18 months of solitary confinement.
00:56:03Maximum penalty essentially.
00:56:06Letizia Giovanni, life sentence, plus 18 months of solitary confinement.
00:56:09Cirilo Alessandro, life sentence, plus 18 months of solitary confinement.
00:56:13Davide Granato, life sentence, plus 18 months of solitary confinement.
00:56:16to Lucia Antonio, 30 years of imprisonment.
00:56:18Dante said that Italy is a brothel, and it's true, but our administration is even more of a brothel.
00:56:24of justice.
00:56:26When Cristiana, my daughter, asks me, will you ever find a judge who will have the courage to acquit Setola?
00:56:33Difficult. Setola told you.
00:56:35I'm sure, I wrote it verbatim, even if I think you'll give us life imprisonment.
00:56:41We are headed down that road, look, and it takes courage not to condemn, but to absolve Setola from these
00:56:51crimes.
00:56:52From these crimes.
00:56:53The worst misfortune, the worst flaw of the judge is not corruption, but conformism.
00:57:00That of adapting, here, to the easy solution, to the accommodating solution, of not having the courage to go and investigate, of
00:57:09not having the courage to absolve.
00:57:13If I wanted to, if I wanted to, I couldn't.
00:57:17This is what I mean.
00:57:18If I wanted to, I couldn't.
00:57:20From my perspective, I've never been a simulator.
00:57:24I am a real person.
00:57:26I'm facing life, I'm facing a life sentence unjustly.
00:57:29I'm giving confidential information, I'm in 41 bis.
00:57:32I have nothing.
00:57:33I live like a dog.
00:57:35So, my humility, my dignity, carry me forward.
00:57:39Because the worst don't tell the whole truth, Mr. President.
00:57:45They don't tell all the truths.
00:57:47They tell the truths that suit them.
00:57:48They are people who have no dignity.
00:57:54They don't respect anyone.
00:57:57They don't respect his friends.
00:57:58They don't respect families.
00:58:00They do not respect their children who take them from their land to safe places just for their freedom.
00:58:12Once upon a time, Professor Mattucci, do you know what he would say?
00:58:18This is not a trial, it's a scam.
00:58:28I ask that the defendant be denied the right to speak if he continues to make statements on facts that are completely unrelated to the facts.
00:58:41so we proceed.
00:58:43No, actually here he wasn't really going into extraneous matters.
00:58:47It was a way of insisting on one's innocence and on the procedural tampering brought about by collaborators of justice.
00:58:58So, I'm moving on.
00:58:59I can?
00:59:00I must add this, Mr. President.
00:59:01No, I'm moving on.
00:59:03I want to say one thing, there is a beautiful song by Franco Califano that says
00:59:08It is useless to explain that if he is clean, the law will affect him.
00:59:12Have a good day, good work, and I wish you all a Happy Easter in advance.
00:59:18Thank you, although I think you will give us life imprisonment, but that's not fair.
00:59:21I am innocent, Mr. President.
00:59:23It's hard to explain that you're a clean person; those who don't know how you've always lived make a big deal out of it.
00:59:37Good day, good day, good day.
01:00:18The name of the Italian people, the court, having regard to articles 533 and 535, code of procedure,
01:00:26declares, set by Giuseppe, Letizia Giovanni, garnet Davide, by Luce Antonio,
01:00:31guilty of the crimes respectively attributed to them
01:00:34and considering the existence of the aggravating circumstances, sentenced by Giuseppe, Letizia Giovanni,
01:00:39Cirillo, Alessandro and Davide Granato, each sentenced to life imprisonment, so-called "doramento" (sleeping) for 18 months
01:00:45and Luce Antonio to a sentence of 23 years in prison.
01:00:49The hearing is adjourned, good evening.
01:00:57As we have heard, all the defendants have been convicted and all the defendants have been granted
01:01:04the two aggravating circumstances of terrorism and racism.
01:01:07All of them appealed.
01:01:09We're done for tonight.
01:01:13I greet you and I will see you again next Saturday,
01:01:17always on the third network, always at around 11.50pm.
01:01:22Until we meet again.
01:01:23Thank you all.
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