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Jacob & Tejay talk Balogun's Red Card Reprieve.
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00:00So plenty of things, but the story of the day,
00:04really the sports story of the weekend came yesterday with the announcement
00:07that Flo Balogun is going to be allowed to play in tonight's game.
00:15I look around this morning, Reuters,
00:19FIFA takes a tough stance on government interference.
00:22This is not a very good look for U.S. soccer.
00:25And I've seen that.
00:26I'm like, hang on.
00:28Was this a bad call or was this not a bad call?
00:31Should Flo Balogun be playing or should he not be playing?
00:35I mean, let's start there because I have not seen anybody say
00:39that the right call was made, not one person.
00:42Why are we upset anybody that FIFA got the call right?
00:46I can't get past that on this.
00:48Like, are you really going to let politics ruin your World Cup fun?
00:51I think the first place to start, you know, that is a side story,
00:56but I think the bigger side story is that, you know,
01:00if it were the questions will now be asked about this of saying,
01:05if Flo Balogun was from Bosnia, would he get his red card overturned?
01:11You know, like, or fill in the blank country.
01:13If he played for Belgium and this happened, would they do that?
01:16If you were an American for Ronaldo, TJ, earlier in the tournament.
01:20Yeah, but that's not the same.
01:21It is the same.
01:22They used the same clause to pull a red card from him earlier in the tournament
01:26to let him play in the knockout.
01:28If you want the precedent, yes, but that was a separate.
01:31It's in the same tournament.
01:32It has happened one other time where they have said that happened in 1962
01:39for a Brazil star.
01:40He had a red card suspended and was allowed to play in the final.
01:43And people, as you can imagine, lost their marvels about it
01:47because they're basically letting them have the treatment,
01:50the favorable treatment in the finals and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:53So this is, you know, my first thought whenever I see this yesterday,
01:56I see this headline is one is, wow, that's awesome.
01:59He's going to get to play.
02:00That's huge for the Americans.
02:02Two, if I was from Belgium, I would be punching walls
02:06that they are going to let them do that.
02:09At the end of the day, the right call was made.
02:12I would ask, I ask most people this way,
02:14and I hope people know how fiercely politically independent I am.
02:19But if your first reaction to this is to get mad at President Trump,
02:23you have to, if you can also, with a lie detector on,
02:29tell me you'd be equally mad if President Obama made that call
02:32and got the call overturned, then okay, I'll listen to it.
02:36But that, you can't let your politics get involved in your fun.
02:40You've got, like, that is not a fun place to be.
02:43I think that if you're having that conversation,
02:46it needs to be the other way.
02:47I think that that needs to be, if you're from Belgium,
02:50you're like, are you for real?
02:52We're just going to let them do that?
02:53Like, just because of that, right?
02:55That's where that conversation immediately goes.
02:58You know, there is the people that are being the...
03:01I guess he's friendly with the FIFA president.
03:03I don't know.
03:03What did I tell you right after the call?
03:05I said, man, I hope the president calls him.
03:08Because it was a bad call.
03:10Like, it was a crap call.
03:11It was.
03:12And it remained to be.
03:13And it was like, they're being stubborn about this.
03:14Now, I also need to fully admit,
03:17I don't understand soccer that much.
03:19I don't understand the rules and the history of the World Cup that much.
03:22But I'm not going to look to FIFA for the moral high ground either.
03:26They put a tournament in Qatar, right?
03:29Like, this isn't some philanthropic, wonderful organization of high moral character.
03:37It's a money machine and an engine.
03:40Just from a financial and business sense, it was a really stupid call.
03:45You can't take America's best player away on a bad call
03:49when they're still in the tournament, probably making you more money
03:53than you've ever made before.
03:55It was a stupid business decision, let alone a stupid soccer decision.
04:00So, there's the part of this as well where, you know,
04:04if the United States, what if it now, you know, it's not apples to apples.
04:09But this is, what if the Chiefs lost Patrick Mahomes in the AFC Championship
04:17and for some reason, I don't even know the comparison to make here.
04:20He couldn't play in the Super Bowl because of a decision that was made by the NFL.
04:24And then a day before the game, the NFL was like, no, no, no, no, no.
04:27He can play.
04:28Like, imagine the outrage of all the other teams.
04:30And I get that.
04:31They absolutely should be outraged because of this thing.
04:33My question becomes then is, in this scenario, Patrick Mahomes
04:38throws for 400 yards and the Chiefs win the Super Bowl.
04:42Every single fan across the world will forever, the Astros, Astros cheated.
04:48It's not cheap.
04:50They already do that with the Chiefs.
04:52They already did that with the Patriots.
04:55Like, you're going to have, like, that's, people are going to be mad
04:58at the decision if it negatively affects their team.
05:00People already think there's cheating and the Chiefs have paid off the refs
05:04and all that.
05:05We talk about that every week.
05:06So it's not like, again, at the end of the day,
05:10and where I land with all of this is they got the call right now.
05:15Like, if it was the wrong call and this happened, I'm with everybody else.
05:22Right?
05:23With the hater, not everybody else.
05:24Because I do think probably 80% of people this morning are excited that the call.
05:29Well, here's what's so funny about that decision.
05:32It comes down.
05:34Universally, everybody's fired up.
05:36Right?
05:37Yes.
05:37That's the right call.
05:39We got him back.
05:40Everything's great.
05:41And then, like, six hours later, you find out the president made a call to FIFA,
05:45whether or not that made it or didn't make the decision.
05:48Now, half those people are like, oh, that's, I cannot believe that they would do this.
05:53But nobody was mad before that that people had never done this before,
05:57that people, like, whatever.
05:58Like, that's what makes it so stupid to me.
06:01Like, okay, now you don't like it?
06:03Get out of here with that.
06:04So now this is where my mind goes with this as well, whenever I heard the news,
06:08is that, you know, America has, since the red card had been given,
06:14turned their brains to be like, we don't need them.
06:17It's fine.
06:18It's fine.
06:19We're going to go beat them without them.
06:21Did you bring your brain that way?
06:23I did.
06:24Absolutely.
06:25I didn't know that I did.
06:25I was pretty worried.
06:26I've been pretty, pretty worried.
06:28I've watched Pepe, or whatever his name is,
06:31miss, like, 96 chances in the middle of the goal.
06:33And I'm like, I don't know, man.
06:35It feels like we need that guy.
06:37Now it turns into this.
06:38And my point that I was making before is that now the Americans had this thing to be like,
06:45it's like FIFA screwed us, but we're going to go win without him anyways.
06:48And then now you get battle again.
06:50And then if you go win, it's like, all right, sure, we'll take him, I guess, right?
06:56You know, it's just a weird, weird ground to be in.
06:59And now where I'm going with this is that the Americans forever in the World Cup have been,
07:07they're this punchy team.
07:09They're kind of fun.
07:09Like, it's fun to root for them.
07:11And even, like, other countries, like, in, you know, in the Olympics, other countries hate America,
07:17like, because they win all the time and things of that sort.
07:20And soccer always just felt like, yeah, it's cool.
07:23Yeah, they could get a win every now and then.
07:25You know, it's all right.
07:26This, like, immediately they're going to be the villains for a long time if they win.
07:31Even if they just win this game and lose the next game, they will forever be the villains for a
07:35long time.
07:35We already are.
07:36That's what I'm saying.
07:37But in soccer, we weren't.
07:38Now we will.
07:39Well, I mean, I think we are because of the jealousy factor, which has been the best part of the
07:43World Cup,
07:44is how fond and how warm so many people who are.
07:48That's what I think, honestly, like, that's what bugs me about the negativity toward it that I keep seeing this
07:55morning,
07:55because I didn't see any of that when this news came down, right?
07:58And none of that was there.
07:59Like, everybody was just excited.
08:01Now people have to, you know, pretend like they're mad about this,
08:04that have never watched soccer before, by the way.
08:06They're just mad because it has, oh, we get to go political with this.
08:10Yes.
08:11But, like, everybody was warming.
08:14Everybody, like, the world is, like, like all of these Europeans
08:19and all of these people from around the world who have come to America
08:23and had the time of their lives, which has made this World Cup so fun to be like,
08:27see, it's not like what you see on TV, just like we would when we went to their place.
08:33The fact that now, like, this isn't going to have any impact on that, I don't think.
08:39Not for those people, but the narrative will come back to life on that.
08:43And it'll be, oh, here we go.
08:46Like, the Americans just bought off the FIFA officials.
08:49Oh, man.
08:50Can we just stop and realize again, back to the very original point,
08:56they made the wrong call.
08:59It was a bad call.
09:01And because it's this rule of soccer with a red card,
09:05he doesn't get to play the next game either because they made a terrible call.
09:11I have not seen one person anywhere say, yeah, I could see it.
09:16That's a red card.
09:17Not one.
09:19Like, it was it was a bad call and it was going to cost a team that's in it their
09:23best player
09:24or at least a player that's been playing the best in the key moment.
09:28There should be room to overturn that.
09:30And I do think if this was an American sport, they would review and repeal and do something like that.
09:36If this happened in the NBA finals, well, one, a ref's not going to make a flagrant, a questionable flagrant.
09:43Do you remember when Draymond got suspended in the finals?
09:50It's Draymond, though.
09:51I know.
09:52And so I just like.
09:55I mean, we kind of just had this.
09:56Remember when women and punch somebody in the throat?
09:59And the other difference with Draymond was it wasn't a bad call.
10:02Yeah.
10:03Like, this was a bad call.
10:05True.
10:05If if there was a bad call, they just wouldn't make it.
10:10They just wouldn't make it or they would or they would fix it afterward.
10:13We do that all the time.
10:14We appeal suspensions.
10:15I don't know.
10:16I don't know.
10:17Again, I've got to plead ignorance.
10:19I don't know enough of the ins and outs to know why they couldn't just go look at that and
10:25be like, oh, yeah, that was wrong.
10:27You can play.
10:27You're fine.
10:28We already your punishment was that we took you out of the game.
10:31And the worst.
10:32That's the worst part of it is that they went to review.
10:35That's that's the part where everybody is kind of, you know, maybe that's I think that's why other countries would
10:41be so upset about this is that it's not a it's it's not pre VAR to say, yep.
10:48Red card.
10:49You have a red card.
10:49You can't play on Monday.
10:51And then now and then you see the review and you're like, what are you talking about?
10:55They went to the review, though, and said, yeah, that's a red card.
10:59Yeah.
10:59Yeah, that's a red card.
11:00And that makes the call even worse.
11:02For one, that's the big argument now is that you can't judge a call on slow motion of what it
11:07looks like.
11:08So I don't know.
11:10Yesterday, Belgium had a press conference.
11:12Yesterday, they do the pre match press conferences one day before quote of the day.
11:16I didn't know that at the World Cup, the 5th of July is actually the 1st of April.
11:20I thought it was an April Fool's joke.
11:24All right, Belgium.
11:26All right, Belgium.
11:29Brandon says the decision to overturn the card was wrong.
11:32But if you're surprised, FIFA is corrupt.
11:34I've got a boat to sell you.
11:35I'm fine with that.
11:36I think that probably comes from a place of soccer knowledge.
11:39Again, I don't know how crazy it is for them to do this.
11:45I know they made a red card change in this tournament with Ronaldo.
11:49You mentioned they've done this in a tournament before with Brazil.
11:54So, again, at the end of the day, like I couldn't I cannot believe yesterday when we saw that this
12:02this has taken a political undertone and I shouldn't be surprised by any of that kind of stuff now.
12:07But I what I don't think is so many of these people pretending to be angry about it today were
12:15angry about it when the news came down.
12:17I don't think they got angry about it until they learned that the president called FIFA.
12:22And we don't even know what that was anyway, by the way.
12:25Like, we don't know that that had anything to do with it.
12:27Who knows?
12:28I mean, that's the that's the White House looking to brag about anything they can brag about.
12:32Just after that, you know, we called them, you know, we made a phone call like I don't know if
12:37that had anything to do with what FIFA.
12:38I don't really care is my point.
12:41They got the call right.
12:43If it was if if Balogun did something bad and they were overturning the call and it's like, oh, that
12:52to me would be bad.
12:53But again, nobody thinks that was the right call.
12:56It was the wrong call.
12:58They got the call right.
13:00People are mad because they got the call right.
13:02And if you are, I would just ask you the question.
13:06Would you be equally angry if it was your president, your politically affiliated president, whoever that is, that made that
13:14same call and got that same result?
13:16Would you have the same energy?
13:17Because I can almost guarantee you that you wouldn't.
13:20And I think that's a sad place to go.
13:22I think that the people that you're talking about are the minority here.
13:26I think that the I think they over overarching, overarching opinion here is Americans saying that's sweet.
13:35We got him back.
13:36But, you know, you know, if this happened to somebody else, I'd be cussing up the world.
13:41Probably.
13:41I think that that's where everybody feels right now.
13:44That's kind of what Brandon's saying.
13:45I think I imagine Brandon, I imagine Brandon and he says probably a soccer guy saying that I think you
13:52don't even need to be a soccer guy to understand the connotations here of saying.
13:56But was it wrong as a general observer?
13:59Was it wrong for them to overturn the red card?
14:01I mean, it doesn't happen often.
14:03But was it wrong?
14:05Was it wrong to overturn?
14:07It was the first thing.
14:08What was the first thing all of us were saying and looking up?
14:11Can they overturn that?
14:12They got that wrong.
14:12I know, but historically, they've done it twice.
14:17They've done it.
14:18No, no, no.
14:18Historically in sports, bad calls just are bad calls.
14:22It sucks.
14:22Sorry.
14:23Like that just had calls historically in sports.
14:26Don't linger into the next game like this.
14:29This is a unique soccer thing.
14:30And again, that's where this gets harder for me.
14:35Just because it's a unique.
14:37So like we don't do this in other sports.
14:38We don't accept a flagrant, too, which is almost impossible to get wrong, by the way.
14:43Like when you get to that level with it, with it, you know, in the NFL, we see guys suspended.
14:50I think back to the fight with Miles Garrett.
14:53Right.
14:54We have those moments.
14:56But those are very obvious.
14:58Like, yeah, that guy needs a suspension.
15:00I mean, targeting is what to think of your targeting.
15:03Targeting is an interesting one.
15:05Because you get suspended for the first half of the next game.
15:08Yep.
15:08That's an interesting one.
15:09And I'd have to I'd have to go back and look.
15:11But but again, I don't I don't recall us sitting here after the fact in like the biggest moments like
15:17you'd have to have you'd have to have targeting in this like in a college football playoff game.
15:24There was a questionable targeting call that for the best player on a deferred Jacob Rodriguez player on a defensive
15:31team that eventually they go back and look at overturn.
15:34I don't think we've ever had that situation happen, so I don't know how to compare that to it.
15:39I'm not sure, but at the end of the day, like I can't believe anybody's not just excited.
15:45We got our best player back again.
15:46They got the call wrong.
15:47If they got the call right in this happened, that'd be that feel dirty.
15:51That would feel dirty.
15:53But to me, again, unless I've missed him, nobody has said, oh, yeah, he deserved to be kicked out of
15:59that game and the next game for that.
16:01Not one person said, I agree.
16:03We did a guy get kicked in the face again last night.
16:05But like you look at the red card they pulled last night versus the red card they gave to Balogun.
16:12And you're like, that cannot be the same color of card with spikes high and literally took that dude out
16:20very obviously intentionally.
16:23How are these both the same thing?
16:26So America's got Balogun back.
16:29I hope tomorrow we have the discussion of was that tainted because they got Balogun back and he scored a
16:34hat trick and they beat Belgium and advanced.
16:36Like, I really hope that's the discussion we get to have tomorrow and not this big nothing burger of.
16:42So I think it didn't matter anyway.
16:43I think that the rest of the country is going to feel what it's like to be a Chiefs fan
16:48or a Patriots fan or I don't want to say the Astros because that's not the same.
16:53They actually did, Chief.
16:54Yeah, that's different.
16:55But it's going to be the people who are having to wrestle with the fact of, you know, that call
17:00kind of went my home's way a little bit.
17:02But, you know, the refs, they make bad calls every now and then.
17:06Yeah, I mean, it's it's a bad call.
17:10It's fine.
17:11What bothers you about it is it lingered into the next game.
17:14Like, even if it was the red card that put him at like, you can swallow that.
17:17That's that was the hardest part.
17:19I think we're in a text thread or with somebody.
17:21I was like, does he get to play the next game?
17:23Like, that's my first question, because like, that's a crap call.
17:26Like, that can't that can't linger.
17:28We got to be able to they can appeal that right.
17:30They'll lift the suspension for the next game.
17:32And I was like, no, I don't think they can.
17:33I'm like, why?
17:35Why can't they?
17:36Maybe the funniest part of this is that now all the new soccer fans that are just getting into watching
17:42soccer and the first time ever they ever watched a World Cup because it's in their home country and the
17:46U.S. is good.
17:47Every time there will be a red card for the rest of their lives.
17:50Like, appeal that there don't he's like, yeah, appeal that they could do that.
17:54That happened.
17:552026.
17:56He's offside.
17:57He's on appeal the red card.
18:01I can't believe there's that many red cards.
18:03We've seen so many of them in this tournament.
18:04Is that normal?
18:06I don't know.
18:07Is it soccer people?
18:08Is that normal to get that many red cards?
18:10We've seen a million of them.
18:12All right.
18:13We'll come back.
18:14We've got several other items to hit headlines.
18:17I missed earlier.
18:18We can talk about some of the other matches of the week.
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