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00:01:28On today's show, find out that your daughter of 15 is using heroin.
00:01:34Zena was in a relationship and then she met Louise.
00:01:38She's enabled your daughter's habit to continue.
00:01:41Why would she do that if she loves her and she knows it's killing her?
00:01:43You've got to be able to do it for yourself, aren't you?
00:01:45You can't do it for anyone.
00:01:46So you're happy to do £54,000 on heroin and kill yourself, are you?
00:01:50And I just spent all that money, yeah.
00:01:52How much have you spent?
00:01:52How do you know?
00:01:53It's all right.
00:01:53You can't do it for me.
00:01:56It's all right.
00:01:57It's all right.
00:01:58Listen.
00:01:59It's all right.
00:02:01It's all right.
00:02:03It's all right.
00:02:06It's all right.
00:02:16She doesn't want to face up to it.
00:02:18And if you two love her, you need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
00:02:21Come with me.
00:02:38Morning, guys.
00:02:42Thank you, my friends.
00:02:43Good morning.
00:02:43It was ever a big, big welcome to the show.
00:02:45Now, my first guest today, Lynn, is here to plead, and I mean plead, with the daughter,
00:02:49Zena, to change everything about her life.
00:02:51Lynn says that the past 17 years have been hell, as the family have battled with Zena's
00:02:55drug addictions.
00:02:56And to make matters worse, Lynn claims that Zena's wife, Louise, is enabling, enabling
00:03:01her addiction.
00:03:01Today, Lynn is here to tell Zena, change, leave your wife.
00:03:05It is all going to end up in the worst possible way.
00:03:08Strong words from a mother who is really concerned.
00:03:10Lynn is first on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
00:03:17Come on, Norm.
00:03:18Come on.
00:03:20How are you?
00:03:21You look terrified.
00:03:23I am.
00:03:23Why?
00:03:24Nice jacket.
00:03:26You alright?
00:03:27Yeah.
00:03:28Um, a lot of people come out here, and a lot of people talk about their desperation,
00:03:34and what they want to achieve from the show.
00:03:36This is about you, and primarily your daughter, Zena.
00:03:40Yeah.
00:03:40Um, just imagine this, you find out that your daughter at 15 is using heroin.
00:03:45I was devastated.
00:03:46How do you deal with that?
00:03:48How do you deal with that?
00:03:48It's been very hard.
00:03:50Um, it's broke my heart.
00:03:52You talk about losing your beautiful daughter, what's that like as a mother?
00:03:57Oh, it's heart wrenching.
00:04:00You can't, unless you're going through it, you really can't describe.
00:04:04And you've reached a point of desperation.
00:04:07Being a parent yourself, um, your little girl hurts her knee, you feel hurt, don't you?
00:04:11But when you see your daughter dying in front of you...
00:04:14Where's your daughter?
00:04:16When you look at her now, what do you think?
00:04:18Of you?
00:04:21She's beautiful.
00:04:23But she's not as beautiful as she is.
00:04:26Without...
00:04:27That, if she...
00:04:28Are you scared of losing her?
00:04:31Definitely.
00:04:32I am losing her.
00:04:35She's had that much money given her.
00:04:38Well, I want to bring it on to this because, um, this is central to this story.
00:04:42I mean, you've talked to my team about how she's stolen from you and done all sorts of things.
00:04:46Oh, yes.
00:04:46But, she's in a relationship married to Louise.
00:04:50And one of the big things that I said in that introduction was that what you and the family
00:04:55feel very strongly about Louise is that she has enabled, it's a word I remember once,
00:05:01well, learning the first time in America, she's enabled your daughter's habit to continue.
00:05:05What do you mean by that?
00:05:06Well, um, Zena was in a relationship and then she met Louise.
00:05:12And Louise has just constantly told her about this money she was getting.
00:05:17She had £54,000.
00:05:19Sorry?
00:05:20She had £54,000?
00:05:22Yes.
00:05:23As an inheritance?
00:05:24Yes.
00:05:24Do you know the truth?
00:05:26That's all gone, isn't it?
00:05:27As far as I know, yeah.
00:05:29Why would she do that if she loves her and she knows it's killing her?
00:05:32I don't know.
00:05:33We've had, we have had, um, we've had our ups and downs, me and Louise.
00:05:36I've tried with her, but she's such hard work, there's no getting through to her.
00:05:41What, is she a control-free?
00:05:42Is she controlling your daughter?
00:05:43Yeah.
00:05:43Yeah.
00:05:44But if you love somebody, why would you buy them drugs?
00:05:47I'd like the answer myself, because, aye, I felt-
00:05:51Do you think your daughter, do you think your daughter is with Louise because she provides
00:05:54her with the drugs?
00:05:55Yeah.
00:05:56Do you?
00:05:56Yeah.
00:05:57And perhaps the flip question would be, what, Louise purports to love your daughter, what
00:06:02does she prefer it off her face?
00:06:03Yeah.
00:06:05She must, who are you?
00:06:06Sorry, mate.
00:06:07So, Zena's brother.
00:06:09Yes, mate.
00:06:10It's a symbiotic relationship.
00:06:12Louise needs to be needed, and Zena needs Louise for the drugs.
00:06:16Simple as.
00:06:17So they feed each other?
00:06:18Yes.
00:06:18Yeah.
00:06:19What's today about, from your point of view?
00:06:22I just need my daughter.
00:06:25I just want her back to-
00:06:26Do you think if she wasn't under the control, you talk about the symbiotic relationship,
00:06:29do you think if she wasn't under the control of Louise, that she would be more able to
00:06:33look clearly at what needs to be done?
00:06:35Because-
00:06:35Yeah.
00:06:35She's stolen from you, she's committed crime.
00:06:38She is, ladies and gentlemen, I mean, it's one of the worst cases we've certainly had,
00:06:42but there's almost this denial that I'm all right, I'm with here with Louise, Louise
00:06:46cuts her off from everybody, that's it, right?
00:06:49Yeah.
00:06:50Louise, she's-
00:06:52Do you think she can ever get off the drugs while she's still married to Louise?
00:06:55No.
00:06:56Not at all?
00:06:56We've tried, I mean, it's not just Louise, though, we have tried with Zena, but Zena now
00:07:00needed it, and she asked to come and stay at my house, to do a cold turkey for three
00:07:06weeks, and then it never happened.
00:07:08So you think this girl is controlling her, she's used the money as a tool to entice her,
00:07:14she runs the whole shebang, but actually your daughter, who you're concerned, I'm going
00:07:17to be really honest, she said to us this morning, it will only end up in one way, and that's
00:07:21with her dead.
00:07:21This girl is not helping at all, that's what today's about, yeah?
00:07:24Let's get Louise on the Jeremy Carr show, she comes that way.
00:07:39You look nice.
00:07:40You all right?
00:07:41Yeah.
00:07:42You all right, you look nice.
00:07:43Yeah, thank you.
00:07:44You all right?
00:07:44Yeah.
00:07:45Why would you spend £54,000 on your wife to have drugs, if you love her?
00:07:49I like the way you say that.
00:07:50Well, what do you want me to do?
00:07:51No, that's right, I agree with what you're saying.
00:07:53Well, why'd you do it?
00:07:54Right, I inherited that.
00:07:55If you love somebody, surely you'd help them get off the drugs, you'd spend the money on
00:07:58a rehab, so she wouldn't kill herself.
00:07:59Well, say you agree with it, it's not the answer.
00:08:02Right, when I met Zena, I didn't know she had this problem.
00:08:05How long?
00:08:05I was seeing her for about three months, just as friends, then we admitted we liked
00:08:10each of her.
00:08:11I'm not bothered about that.
00:08:12Why?
00:08:12You inherited this money, yes or no?
00:08:14Yeah, I sold a house.
00:08:15Why would you buy your wife drugs when you know it's killing her?
00:08:18I agree with that, but I act the only one.
00:08:20You keep saying I agree?
00:08:21I act the only one that pays for Zena's drugs.
00:08:24I'm asking you.
00:08:25Why?
00:08:26Because I love her because she can't stand there and watch somebody climb the walls.
00:08:28Then why don't you pay for her to go to rehab and get clean so her life will be
00:08:32all right?
00:08:32I agree with that.
00:08:35You're going to simply, you're going to answer this by saying I agree with you.
00:08:39No, Zena will tell you that she's always said that rehab is a false environment.
00:08:42Mike asked her to come on this show before and she said no, she didn't want it.
00:08:45I'll tell you about that, shall I?
00:08:46Because you're talking the BS that you just called out now.
00:08:49I'll bring Mike in, because I read this this morning.
00:08:51I think this is actually one of the most extraordinary things I've ever heard.
00:08:55We tried to get, because Zena wanted her to be on this show before.
00:08:59True or false?
00:09:00Yeah, but if Mike tried to get Zena to come on before, yeah.
00:09:03You can speak her.
00:09:04Do you know why it didn't happen, Mike?
00:09:07No.
00:09:08It didn't happen because your wife exaggerated her illnesses, didn't she?
00:09:12I don't know.
00:09:13Well, you're telling me now.
00:09:14You can just sit there and smile.
00:09:15She exaggerated what was wrong with her.
00:09:17She exaggerated that was the medical problem, so it wasn't something that we could do at
00:09:22that time.
00:09:22And then it turned out, Michael, that that was a lie, which says to me that she didn't
00:09:27want to be here, and they think that's you.
00:09:29You've got to speak.
00:09:30You told my team she controls your daughter.
00:09:33I do, Zena does what she wants.
00:09:34Well, talk to her mate, because that's what I was told.
00:09:36No, she does.
00:09:37But she hasn't since she's been with you all the reasons.
00:09:40Right, but you've always been, right?
00:09:41But when I know...
00:09:42I need to come on the shore, because I want ready to come on the shore.
00:09:45You lied, though.
00:09:46No, no, no, no.
00:09:47Excuse me.
00:09:48I thought you did lie.
00:09:49No, I didn't lie.
00:09:49She did.
00:09:50I'm ready to come on in.
00:09:51You lied.
00:09:51I'm ready.
00:09:53What do you mean you weren't ready?
00:09:54What?
00:09:54Because she wouldn't allow you to?
00:09:55Well, you've got to be able to do it for yourself, aren't you?
00:09:57You can't do it for anyone.
00:09:58So you're happy to do £54,000 on heroin and kill yourself, are you?
00:10:02And I just spent all that money, yeah.
00:10:03How much have you spent?
00:10:04How do you know?
00:10:05How much?
00:10:05How do you know?
00:10:06How much of it did you spend?
00:10:07Yeah, a few grand, yeah.
00:10:08Why?
00:10:09Why?
00:10:10Why would you do that?
00:10:11I've got an addiction, that's why.
00:10:13Yeah, but nobody's ever told you the truth.
00:10:16Your wife wipes your backside and your mother wipes your...
00:10:19Thank you, pardon?
00:10:20I've told my wife...
00:10:21Yeah, so why are you getting angry with me?
00:10:23Why are you getting angry with me?
00:10:24Listen, listen, listen.
00:10:26Why are you coming out and lose one of them?
00:10:29Because do you know what you...
00:10:32She'll never tell you what you've done to her.
00:10:34Now you've broken everybody's heart.
00:10:35I know what she's done.
00:10:37I know what she's done.
00:10:37I'll just wash my...
00:10:38I don't need you.
00:10:39I don't need you.
00:10:39I don't need you.
00:10:40I don't need you.
00:10:41I'm sorry.
00:10:43That isn't the grandma who stole the funeral fund money before, wasn't it?
00:10:48No, she never...
00:10:49I'm serious.
00:10:50Did you...
00:10:50You're talking to me.
00:10:52Yeah, you want a minute.
00:10:53I'll tell you what you want.
00:10:54You're talking to me.
00:10:55I'm sorry.
00:10:55Why are you talking to me?
00:10:57Did you steal the funeral fund money?
00:10:59Did you steal the funeral fund money?
00:11:01She never told me.
00:11:02Why did you tell my team she did then?
00:11:03Because I thought that she had.
00:11:05You told my team she stole the funeral fund money.
00:11:07Yes, she did.
00:11:08No, listen.
00:11:10I said, Jeremy.
00:11:11But if I'm told one thing...
00:11:14Why are you with the woman who agrees to pay money?
00:11:16I'm not talking to you.
00:11:17Why would you steal the funeral fund money?
00:11:19If your wife was on the gear, yeah?
00:11:21Yeah.
00:11:21You would do everything so well.
00:11:23I would not...
00:11:24I would not put my hand in my pocket.
00:11:26I'd march her to rehab.
00:11:27I've got Zina on her script.
00:11:28I'd march her to rehab.
00:11:29I've moved her out of the area where she...
00:11:31Whatever.
00:11:31Answer me this.
00:11:32Would you be with her if she didn't buy you drugs?
00:11:34Quick question.
00:11:34You'd still be with her.
00:11:35Yes.
00:11:36But does she buy you drugs?
00:11:37Yes.
00:11:38Do you think that is making you be quiet?
00:11:39But Zina's mum does the same.
00:11:40We all do.
00:11:42One minute.
00:11:42So don't cast a finger.
00:11:43We all do the same.
00:11:45Well, you've done it as well.
00:11:46I sat on stage with you and I just said...
00:11:48We've all done it to her, Pat.
00:11:49...and she stole more than I've had to give her.
00:11:51It was me and Zina that helped my mum's funeral bill was.
00:11:53But I've also been talking to her drugging was banging on the doors.
00:11:55You've paid for her drugs as well?
00:11:57I did.
00:11:58A long time ago.
00:11:59How long?
00:11:59And Zina's mum has dealt drugs...
00:12:00Can you shut up?
00:12:01Can you shut up?
00:12:02Can you shut up?
00:12:03No, I'm telling you the truth you want to know.
00:12:05We've all done mistakes that we didn't want to do.
00:12:07Can you do me a favour?
00:12:08We've all done it.
00:12:09What did she just say?
00:12:10Because this.
00:12:11You know when you had a government?
00:12:12You don't know.
00:12:13We've all done it.
00:12:14Well, let me tell you something.
00:12:15Let me tell you something.
00:12:16This is what I want you to listen to.
00:12:17Because when I read this story this morning, I thought we'll have the usual thing, right?
00:12:20We'll have the usual thing.
00:12:21And then I heard, and you might like this, quite possibly, ladies and gentlemen, the worst thing I've ever heard
00:12:25in ten years.
00:12:26What did she just say to you?
00:12:28What did she just say to you?
00:12:30No, no, no.
00:12:30Can you do me a favour?
00:12:31Because my team are up here with you doing this.
00:12:33Be quiet.
00:12:35No, no, no.
00:12:36You.
00:12:36No, no.
00:12:37This is coming out whether you like this or not.
00:12:39You came out here and you.
00:12:40Can you be quiet?
00:12:41Why don't you give it a rest?
00:12:42She's done it to help her daughter.
00:12:44Can't you see that?
00:12:44Because it's called the Jeremy Kyle Show.
00:12:45That's why.
00:12:46Can you see that?
00:12:47This is interesting.
00:12:49To help her daughter.
00:12:51Be quiet.
00:12:52I do not in any way accept what I read about you is helping your daughter.
00:12:57And I'm going to nail it straight away.
00:12:58So, without anybody interrupting, not only did you give her money for drugs.
00:13:02You know what?
00:13:02You've got no way to start disrespecting her and talking to her.
00:13:06What did she?
00:13:07What did she?
00:13:08Would you like me to come along and speak to your mum like that?
00:13:10Has your mother bought you drugs?
00:13:13Yeah.
00:13:14Has your mother bought you drugs?
00:13:16Your wife just said the word dealt.
00:13:18Say it.
00:13:18Say it.
00:13:19Have you dealt drugs, by the way?
00:13:21Have you dealt drugs?
00:13:22Yes.
00:13:23Right.
00:13:23Now, hear me out.
00:13:24You've dealt drugs.
00:13:25So, apart from giving your daughter drugs, you have actually bought and sold drugs.
00:13:30Yes or no?
00:13:31Yes, because my daughter was...
00:13:32Can you understand why I would find that shocking?
00:13:34For my daughter.
00:13:35Isn't it true you went to jail because you dealt drugs?
00:13:37Yeah, I did.
00:13:39How long?
00:13:40I got three and a half years for £40 worth of drugs and I did 18 months.
00:13:45But she did it to help her daughter.
00:13:46Doesn't help her if you give her drugs, does it?
00:13:48My daughter was dead in front of me.
00:13:50What about the people that you sold drugs to?
00:13:52You've got to understand, because I'll help you, but you've got to understand this.
00:13:55What about people who bought that drugs who might be addicted like your daughter?
00:13:58What about the other mothers who are going through what you went through
00:14:00because you dealt drugs under the guise of helping your daughter?
00:14:03Answer that.
00:14:03What about that?
00:14:04She agrees with that.
00:14:05I didn't tell it to anybody else.
00:14:06I bought it for my daughter.
00:14:08You thought that by buying your daughter drugs, right?
00:14:10Yeah.
00:14:10Of which you got jailed for.
00:14:12That was better.
00:14:14Between you all.
00:14:15No, no.
00:14:15Hear me out a sec.
00:14:16Between you all you thought that was better?
00:14:18No.
00:14:18That's not the answer.
00:14:19Then why would you do that?
00:14:20So Jeremy, listen.
00:14:21Zina's been on a script.
00:14:22She's been off a script.
00:14:23She's been on sub-A.
00:14:23She's been to prison.
00:14:25She's done the lot.
00:14:25Why wouldn't you take her to rehab?
00:14:26Because rehab is an hard option for Zina to get.
00:14:28A residential rehab or any rehab is a long way in the distance.
00:14:31I've moved Zina out of an area.
00:14:32No, no, I haven't worked.
00:14:32You want to go to a rehab, do you?
00:14:34I haven't worked.
00:14:35She's done it this time.
00:14:36So I've got a mother who said she was crying turns out to be a drug dealer.
00:14:39A wife, hear me out, who inherited money and spent a lot of that on giving you drugs.
00:14:45Yeah, but listen, Jeremy, one of the facts.
00:14:45Have you never had an addiction?
00:14:48What are you doing?
00:14:49What?
00:14:49What?
00:14:50You're gambling years ago.
00:14:51What?
00:14:52It's still the same thing, innit?
00:14:53It's addiction.
00:14:54Hold on.
00:14:54Your addiction is the same thing.
00:14:56When I inherited that money, I didn't just help Zina.
00:14:58I helped Zina.
00:14:58Can I point something out?
00:15:00The addiction is still the same thing.
00:15:01I know you won't like this because one of the things I do know about addiction is that
00:15:04you blame everybody else.
00:15:05This isn't about me.
00:15:06No, no, no.
00:15:08I can stand there and I'll tell you what.
00:15:09Then today is about acceptance.
00:15:12Is it right that you dealt drugs to in BRAC?
00:15:14I'm talking to her to save your daughter, yes or no?
00:15:17Yes, I did.
00:15:18Is it right that you did that?
00:15:20No, it isn't right.
00:15:21Is it right, whatever you feel for, that you spent 54 days?
00:15:24No, no, no.
00:15:25But you did it.
00:15:26Listen.
00:15:27Yeah, we have to.
00:15:28Listen.
00:15:29Right, if you're going to ask me a question.
00:15:31Why were you in jail?
00:15:32Who looked after them then?
00:15:32Let me see you then.
00:15:33I was in jail with me.
00:15:35Right, listen.
00:15:35Let me answer you.
00:15:37You want an answer?
00:15:38I'll give you it.
00:15:39Right, when I inherited that money and I sold that house, Xena didn't just get all the
00:15:41money.
00:15:42I helped him with the funeral bills for Nana when Nana passed away.
00:15:44I moved Xena out the area from all the drug dealers and the users and moved all the way
00:15:47into another area so Xena could be clean.
00:15:49Let me ask you a question because you're trying me as an intelligent woman.
00:15:51I've got one of the scripts and I've got one of the scripts.
00:16:04I agree with that.
00:16:06I agree with that.
00:16:07I agree with that.
00:16:07I agree with that.
00:16:07I agree with that.
00:16:07I agree with that.
00:16:07What did it be fair to say that everybody, for whatever reason, just don't interrupt me
00:16:11a minute, right?
00:16:12Try and make sense.
00:16:13In trying to help either their daughter or their wife or their sister, I don't know
00:16:17with it, have enabled this problem.
00:16:20All of us have.
00:16:20enabled this problem to get worse and worse and worse.
00:16:23Yes.
00:16:23Today is surely about acknowledging that and actually saying, don't take this the wrong
00:16:27way.
00:16:28The odd option is to go and do something about it.
00:16:30The easy option is to sponge off people or people to go, we don't like to see like
00:16:33this, we're going to buy drugs.
00:16:34Yes.
00:16:34That cannot continue, can it?
00:16:36This is the point we're at.
00:16:39I'm not having a go at you, but you can't expect a sane person watching this to think
00:16:43that your everyday mother, to get a kid off heroin, would resort to drug dealing and
00:16:47go to jail.
00:16:48Or that your wife, they're loving you, would spend whatever number of money on-
00:16:53But it isn't just that.
00:16:54I've spent it on funeral bills, I've spent it on a new home.
00:16:56You haven't helped her, have you?
00:16:57You haven't helped her.
00:16:58I have.
00:16:58I've put her on the streets.
00:16:59I've put her off the streets.
00:17:00Have you by your-
00:17:01I've moved out of the area.
00:17:02Have you helped-
00:17:03Well, she's not off, is she?
00:17:04No.
00:17:04Have you helped her?
00:17:05Have you helped her?
00:17:06But it's a big addiction to get off.
00:17:08It's not easy.
00:17:09Sina, one question before I go to a break.
00:17:10Why are you here today?
00:17:12Because I want to change my life.
00:17:14Why?
00:17:16Because if I carry on like I am, I'll just end up killing myself.
00:17:19They want Sina back.
00:17:20We all want Sina back, Tracy.
00:17:22We all want Sina back, Tracy.
00:17:22We all want Sina back, Tracy.
00:17:23Let's see what we can do.
00:17:24I'll back off this break.
00:17:25Don't go anywhere.
00:17:26Why is it all my-
00:17:28This is you.
00:17:30This is you.
00:17:30You.
00:17:30Do you know what this is?
00:17:31What?
00:17:32This is the truth.
00:17:33She doesn't want to-
00:17:35She needs-
00:17:35You two love her.
00:17:36You need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
00:17:39Come with me.
00:17:40Tom.
00:17:41Come on, baby.
00:17:42This is the best thing.
00:17:42It's one of the best 12 weeks of your life.
00:17:43I'm telling you.
00:17:44You need to get away from everybody, you know, and move away from all this.
00:17:47She needs it.
00:17:49She needs this.
00:17:49Am I what?
00:17:50Am I doing?
00:17:51Am I doing what?
00:17:52She needs this.
00:17:54See?
00:17:54Come on.
00:17:55Speak to me.
00:17:55Speak to me.
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00:22:52SONIA CHILDREN
00:22:52Apparently it's all my fault.
00:22:53Come with me.
00:22:54Why is it all my fault?
00:22:55I'll tell you what.
00:22:56This is you.
00:22:57You.
00:22:58Do you know what this is?
00:22:59What?
00:22:59This is the truth. She doesn't want to face up to them.
00:23:03If you two love her, you need to stop having a go at me and deal with her.
00:23:06Come with me. It's not about me. Where's she gone now?
00:23:09Zina, come here, Ben. Come here.
00:23:11Why does nobody... Why do you not want to hear the truth?
00:23:16Explain that to me.
00:23:17I'm not hearing the truth. No one more remorseful than me.
00:23:20Then don't come on. Do you want it on a plate? Do you want it on a plate then?
00:23:23I'm not going to play because I ain't shy.
00:23:25They have made it easy on you by providing the drugs.
00:23:28Be quiet. Do you not think that is...
00:23:29I don't hand Zina money like that. I go mad about it.
00:23:32It's not a straight case. Take the blame.
00:23:34Take the blame. Yeah, I do that. I give money and I feed it.
00:23:36Where's the mother? Take the blame.
00:23:37Do you not understand? Can you tell her to be quiet?
00:23:41You will obviously deny...
00:23:45make her an excuse.
00:23:46But you are here because you want to change.
00:23:48The people around you, be it blindly through love,
00:23:51have enabled this problem to continue.
00:23:54Yes or no? Yeah.
00:23:56Not... You don't have to speak for her.
00:23:58Yeah.
00:23:58The people around you, because they love you,
00:24:01because they don't want to see you rattle,
00:24:02they don't like to see you whatever,
00:24:03they've bought you this stuff,
00:24:04which means the problem is never going to get better.
00:24:08Yeah, I know.
00:24:08And you can call me every name under the sun.
00:24:09That's right, I am here.
00:24:10Right.
00:24:10It's because I'm angry because I just...
00:24:13I don't like my mum being slagged off that sort of...
00:24:15But everybody has to understand...
00:24:16Surely you can understand that.
00:24:17Yes, of course, but everybody has...
00:24:18Please don't say a word.
00:24:20You've got to understand that if your mother gives you drugs,
00:24:23if your wife gives you drugs,
00:24:26enabling somebody to take drugs is as bad as taking the drugs.
00:24:30They are not helping you and they need to accept that.
00:24:33And I am not going to stand here, right?
00:24:35Because, yeah, I could change your life in a heartbeat
00:24:36if you've got something inside your head that says you want to do it.
00:24:39I am.
00:24:39But I ain't going to do it...
00:24:40It's there, mate.
00:24:41It's there, mate.
00:24:41It's there.
00:24:42Right.
00:24:42It's there, it's not in there.
00:24:43Well, don't explain me to criticise people
00:24:44who've bought you heroin for the last 10 years.
00:24:47No.
00:24:47Do you want them to get on an ear and beg you?
00:24:49No.
00:24:49I want you to accept that they have not made it easy for you.
00:24:52And I want honesty from everybody.
00:24:54On that stage, all of you can do one.
00:24:55Seriously, I'm not even getting involved.
00:24:58People will only change if they accept where they're wrong.
00:25:00That includes your mother.
00:25:02That includes your...
00:25:04That stage.
00:25:05I regret.
00:25:05Everybody.
00:25:06If you want my help,
00:25:07you three are getting out there and you're going to be honest.
00:25:09You stop.
00:25:13On stage, ladies, now, or no help.
00:25:15I'm not even, I'm not even having a debate about it.
00:25:18If anybody watching this expects me to say it's okay for a wife and a mother to buy drugs
00:25:22for somebody, then it's not going to work.
00:25:24Do you accept what I mean?
00:25:25Because I don't.
00:25:27But you never said that.
00:25:27Do you think I'm happy about what I've done?
00:25:28Right, at least we're getting there.
00:25:30Well, I'm not.
00:25:30I've tried to explain that a minute ago.
00:25:31But it's about, honestly, it's not about sitting there going,
00:25:33my daughter's killing herself.
00:25:34The truth is, actually, you know what, Jez?
00:25:35I got so desperate, I dealt drugs and went to prison.
00:25:40Did I really need to see that?
00:25:43Look at this.
00:25:46Xena, you came today to see me in clinic.
00:25:49The worrying thing is I don't think you even realise how bad your body is.
00:25:54It is literally crumbling around you.
00:25:57When we examined you today, I'm so concerned by your lungs.
00:26:01You felt your lungs were clear and they clearly aren't.
00:26:04The drugs themselves that you've been ingesting and smoking have been sitting on those lungs
00:26:08and have been rotting them from the inside.
00:26:11Both of the lungs had severe wheeze.
00:26:14And when we asked you more questions, it was clear that you have a chronic underlying lung disease.
00:26:20Worse than that, you've picked up hepatitis C.
00:26:23Your liver, as you know, is inflamed and it was tender when we examined it.
00:26:26If you weren't aware of it, this is a direct use from your intravenous drug use.
00:26:32When you start injecting drugs, you take that risk right to the next level.
00:26:36You expose yourself to hepatitis, HIV and lots of other blood conditions.
00:26:41I'm so grateful that you found this out quick enough to get treatment.
00:26:44Because if you didn't, it is fatal.
00:26:47I'm really concerned that you're in denial about how you were injecting these drugs.
00:26:51When we looked at your groins, you said that you never injected and there was clearly a fresh injection mark.
00:26:57They're leaving holes inside your groin which are going to open you up for abscesses and infections and potential clots.
00:27:04This is fatal.
00:27:06You need help and you need help right now.
00:27:09Can I just say something without anybody else shouting, right?
00:27:12Look at me.
00:27:13Look at me.
00:27:15You said to me out there, I put this totally honestly,
00:27:20you've had a go at my mother, you've had a go at my wife, look at me.
00:27:24There's only one way to deal with a situation like this, in my humble opinion.
00:27:28If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
00:27:30Everybody needs to be honest.
00:27:32Everybody needs to accept responsibility.
00:27:35I am not in any way, look at me,
00:27:38I am not in any way saying it's easy, I could do any better.
00:27:42But you've got to understand that in a civilised society, people will watch something like this and go,
00:27:46so the mother dealt, the wife bought.
00:27:50You talked through that, all of you.
00:27:52That's real, that medical examination.
00:27:55The reality there from him, Aaron, a medical professional, is that your body is shutting down.
00:28:01So I can come here this morning and I can go,
00:28:05oh, Z, oh, Mum, that's not going to help anybody.
00:28:10The truth is this.
00:28:14You can be here, but you need to acknowledge what you've done
00:28:18and how the help you've had before, you've thrown it away, that she has to change.
00:28:24And you start that by not denying you've got a problem,
00:28:26by admitting you've got a problem and being honest, as do the people around you.
00:28:31That's how I see it.
00:28:32If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
00:28:33She's got a problem.
00:28:33Yeah.
00:28:34Look at me.
00:28:35What have you done?
00:28:36I've done loads.
00:28:37I've tried to get on a rehab.
00:28:40Louise said earlier that your mecca, if you like,
00:28:43that the thing that you would want more than anything, all of you,
00:28:46is a residential rehab.
00:28:47Why?
00:28:50Sorry.
00:28:51Why are we a residential?
00:28:53How do I know that somebody like you wouldn't do one in five minutes?
00:28:57Believe.
00:28:57You see, from my point of...
00:28:58You can only take my word for it, can't you?
00:29:00Just like I can just take yours.
00:29:01All right, we'll take my word for it on this.
00:29:03Your mum told us that Lou's the problem.
00:29:06That's what you said?
00:29:07Massively?
00:29:08Yeah.
00:29:08You came out very, you know, honestly, and said,
00:29:12hold on a minute, it's a bit rich, isn't it, love?
00:29:14You've done exactly the same.
00:29:16I think that this girl seemingly is stuck in the middle of this situation.
00:29:21Whether I believe you or not,
00:29:23I need you to understand that these people need to be honest as well.
00:29:27Would you act differently in the future?
00:29:29I mean, do you, looking back now, think that dealing drugs to attain them for your daughter...
00:29:35Like I said, I regret every minute of it.
00:29:37What about you?
00:29:38Oh, yeah, I regret giving Xena money to feed her rabbit, yeah.
00:29:40But I've had Xena on a script, off a script,
00:29:42I've moved her away from drug users and drug dealers
00:29:44that have been on her doorstep to try and change her life.
00:29:46See?
00:29:47I've done a lot of things.
00:29:50Come on, baby, this is the best thing.
00:29:52It's going to be the best 12 weeks of your life, I'm telling you.
00:29:53You need to get away from everybody that you know
00:29:55and move away from all this.
00:29:57She needs it.
00:30:04I'm going to tell you something because I'm going to go to another break.
00:30:09Here's the thing.
00:30:10If I'm going to make this happen,
00:30:12three things are going to happen after this break.
00:30:14You're going to admit, you're going to admit everything
00:30:16and you are going to convince me because I don't want to get upset, Xena.
00:30:20I've got a girl in front of me who says that she wants to change.
00:30:24People around who haven't really helped her.
00:30:26I need to know if that's the truth.
00:30:28The car is waiting and the rehab is on offer.
00:30:30I'm back after this break.
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00:35:49Welcome back.
00:35:50Xena.
00:35:50Xena.
00:35:54Why should I send you to rehab?
00:35:57Because I want it.
00:35:58No, no, no.
00:35:59I really need it though.
00:36:00Imagine.
00:36:00Right, don't get us back.
00:36:01You're going to get angry now.
00:36:02You're going to get angry.
00:36:02Imagine I at this moment and somebody you're trying to get drugs off.
00:36:06I need a bit of passion.
00:36:07I'll end up killing myself.
00:36:09I'm going to lose all of my family.
00:36:10I'm not allowed in my mum's home.
00:36:11I'll lose my wife, my kids.
00:36:13What did you do the last time you went in your mother's home?
00:36:16What happened the last time you went in your mother's home when your wife stood outside
00:36:19in the rain because she and your mum were arguing?
00:36:20If we're going to be totally honest today, you're going to get your head up.
00:36:22You don't even know this.
00:36:23What happened the last time you went in your mum's home the other day?
00:36:25What did you do?
00:36:28When?
00:36:29When it was raining, when.
00:36:31When?
00:36:31When I was stoked, sadly, and when you went in, what happened?
00:36:34I was trying to sort it out to come here.
00:36:37Did you take anything?
00:36:38No.
00:36:41Did you steal anything?
00:36:42No.
00:36:43Totally honest today, if you want to go to rehab.
00:36:45What did you steal the other day from your mum's house?
00:36:48Speak, please.
00:36:49Total clean.
00:36:50Your wife's nodding.
00:36:51When you went to your mother's house the other day, what did you steal?
00:36:54Speak to me.
00:36:55What did you take?
00:36:57Come on.
00:36:59You want my help?
00:37:00I want your honesty.
00:37:01Tell me.
00:37:02What did you do?
00:37:02Look, pardon?
00:37:04What did you do?
00:37:05Your chain?
00:37:06Yeah.
00:37:07The one you bought me for Christmas.
00:37:08Yeah.
00:37:09With my mum on it.
00:37:11If I didn't you ask me, you could have had it.
00:37:14Hmm?
00:37:15What did you do with the necklace?
00:37:17Where's it gone?
00:37:19Pour on it?
00:37:21For drugs?
00:37:22How much did you get for it?
00:37:2420.
00:37:25Sorry?
00:37:2620 pounds.
00:37:2720 pounds.
00:37:28So we're in a situation where you can't even go to your mother's house without nicking a piece of jewellery
00:37:34to pay for your habit.
00:37:35If we're being completely honest and your mum has been frank, I didn't bring your secret up.
00:37:41Louise did.
00:37:43You've dealt drugs, bought drugs, been to prison for that.
00:37:47You've spent money.
00:37:50You've spent money that you've inherited.
00:37:52Blindly to us, you know, buying my wife drugs, that's not the way to go, but you've done that.
00:37:57You've watched the guy Aaron talked to you about medically.
00:38:00You've got to understand, Zina.
00:38:01Look at me.
00:38:03I can't.
00:38:04I can't help you unless you're honest.
00:38:10What do you want to know?
00:38:13He wants to know why you want it so bad, Zina.
00:38:15Why do you want to go into residential rehab so bad?
00:38:17I'm going to flip this round.
00:38:18Because I want to live a normal life.
00:38:20I want to work.
00:38:23Zina, everybody around you has suffered because of your choices.
00:38:28You had a go at me earlier for having a go at the people around you.
00:38:32All I wanted was honesty from them.
00:38:33Actually, as this story's gone on, I have a lot of admiration for your wife because I can see it
00:38:38in her eyes.
00:38:38I'm beginning to understand the desperation that your mother must have felt to actually do something as ludicrous as that.
00:38:45I can't condone it.
00:38:46I can't stand on television and go, yeah, that's the right thing to do.
00:38:49I hate myself or what?
00:38:50I'll put them all through and I'll be the first to stand there in a minute.
00:38:53I don't need no one else to tell me.
00:38:54No, but do you know what I've learned?
00:38:55No, it's not being out of control.
00:38:56Drug addicts always say that.
00:38:57I know I'm not.
00:38:58And I can go, right, what will the Jeremy Carson show?
00:39:00Yeah, but not all drug addicts are the same, neither.
00:39:02There's users and there's abusers.
00:39:04But you have ruined your own life and people around you by the choices that you've made, yes or no?
00:39:12I want to know in two sentences, if you want to get in that car, why I should give that
00:39:17to you?
00:39:17Nobody else.
00:39:18Why should I give it to you when there are probably 100,000 people watching this right now going,
00:39:23my God, I want to be in that car because I want to tell you something else as well because
00:39:26I want to.
00:39:27The work that Graham does with these units, with these rehab units,
00:39:31there's only a certain number for all sorts of reasons that we can provide.
00:39:36And over the last couple of months, one or two, and I'm going to be totally honest,
00:39:40have sat in front of me like you, right, and given it the big I am, this is it.
00:39:44One lasted 24 hours and has been begging us ever since.
00:39:48The other lasted two days and has been begging us ever since.
00:39:52Now people watching this will go, is she going to do the same?
00:39:55I want you to look at me and I want to know that I'm not going to get a call
00:39:59next week saying,
00:40:00well, you know, she's done one because she missed her wife, who's probably, or I'm not.
00:40:04Why then? Why?
00:40:06Because I need it from me.
00:40:08Come with me. All of you. Which way am I going?
00:40:11Am I going that way?
00:40:12Thank you very much indeed. Come with me, watch the wires, guys.
00:40:23Zee, can I ask you a question?
00:40:25Yeah.
00:40:27Does it scare you?
00:40:30Come with me. Come with me.
00:40:33How old are you?
00:40:34I'm 32.
00:40:3517 years of your life you've been on drugs.
00:40:38You don't really know a life without it from 15.
00:40:42I know you didn't like what I had to say out there, but I did it for a reason.
00:40:47Now you've slowed walking.
00:40:48Shh, shh, shh, shh.
00:40:51I did.
00:40:52Oi, why are you, why, excuse me.
00:40:55Excuse me, why are you angry now?
00:40:57I don't like losing my baby.
00:40:59No, no, I don't like losing my baby.
00:41:00I love my kids.
00:41:02You have to redress the past, and he's absolutely right.
00:41:05Because what they're asking of you is for you to make changes with your life, for you to stop using
00:41:10drugs, and for you...
00:41:11This is right, all of them is to be able to learn to deal with my triggers in different ways.
00:41:14Absolutely.
00:41:15Absolutely.
00:41:16But do you think today is all about you making changes?
00:41:20Yeah.
00:41:20Just you?
00:41:21Yeah.
00:41:22You're wrong.
00:41:22Except everyone as a whole.
00:41:23Okay, when they're asking you to make changes, when they're asking you to make changes in your life, positive changes
00:41:31in your life, so do these.
00:41:33Because, yes, they have made mistakes.
00:41:35Right, quickly, because I'm running out of time.
00:41:37We're going to work with the family, with you two.
00:41:39We will make sure, but I want a question, Graham.
00:41:41What are we offering on a plate?
00:41:43Okay.
00:41:43First and foremost, what I'm going to say, in order to enable this change in the whole family, you will
00:41:48have to go to family therapy.
00:41:50You must understand the problem, and you must understand how you people interact in this problem.
00:41:57What's going to happen today is you're going to a drug rehabilitation.
00:42:01You're going to go for six weeks.
00:42:03You will go to Bournemouth to the Providence Project, and initially, you will be detoxed from the substances that you're
00:42:11using.
00:42:11But let's be really honest, that's a short-term solution.
00:42:14We have to look at the long-term solution.
00:42:16You need to then go into one-to-one counselling, you need to go into group therapy, you need to
00:42:21look at relapse prevention.
00:42:23You're going to get the full deal.
00:42:25I know what everyone took at me.
00:42:25Absolutely.
00:42:26All I'm looking for is your commitment.
00:42:28But I'm going to say this again.
00:42:29This is not just about her making changes.
00:42:32It's all of us.
00:42:32All of you have made mistakes.
00:42:34I'll stand by you.
00:42:34All need to make changes.
00:42:35Do you understand now, whatever you think of me, that we needed complete honesty?
00:42:41Because it would have been no good sending you off under the guise of rehab for you to come back,
00:42:46for these two to still be at loggerheads, for her to think enabling was okay, and her.
00:42:50She made a major sacrifice today.
00:42:52You might think I'm at whatever you call me.
00:42:55I'm not.
00:42:55Because you can change your life.
00:42:56I think he's going to ring me on Tuesday and say you've walked out.
00:42:59Say goodbye to your family.
00:43:00You're going.
00:43:01Say goodbye now.
00:43:02We need to understand the family dynamics so we can make changes.
00:43:04I wish she was my mother.
00:43:05She's done loads for Zina.
00:43:06I wish she was my mother.
00:43:08I do.
00:43:08She's been a good mom and a good grandma.
00:43:10You can't say no better than that.
00:43:12I wish she was my mother.
00:43:13Because she's done a lot for her.
00:43:15Good.
00:43:16Like I've done a lot for her.
00:43:17I've all done a lot.
00:43:19It'll all be all right, isn't it?
00:43:20What you need?
00:43:21I love you.
00:43:22I love you, man.
00:43:23You'll be in touch with each other.
00:43:26It's not like you'll be alone.
00:43:28You've got to get in the car, guys.
00:43:29You've got to get in the car.
00:43:31Say goodbye.
00:43:31I love you.
00:43:32I'm proud of you.
00:43:34I love you.
00:43:35The family will be looked after as well.
00:43:37Time to go, Z.
00:43:38Come on.
00:43:39Six weeks.
00:43:40Residential.
00:43:41Providence Project.
00:43:42Bournemouth.
00:43:42Come on.
00:43:44I don't want to see you.
00:43:48I love you.
00:43:50I'm going to ask you something.
00:43:51You're going to let me down.
00:43:53No.
00:43:54I'm fine, Michelle.
00:43:56Go.
00:43:58I'm proud of you.
00:43:59I love you, man.
00:44:01I'll be back, too.
00:44:03You will.
00:44:04For the best six weeks of your life,
00:44:05so you know it's going to change your life.
00:44:06I know.
00:44:07You won't see me for six weeks.
00:44:08I love you.
00:44:09I love you.
00:44:09Stay strong.
00:44:11Go.
00:44:11Thanks.
00:44:12He's absolutely right.
00:44:14You guys need to be included in this process.
00:44:17She needs to get off it,
00:44:19but it's the long-term thing.
00:44:21What happened today,
00:44:22because you mentioned it,
00:44:23don't get angry with her,
00:44:25you did something that I think is amazing.
00:44:28I think your love for the girl shines through.
00:44:30I think the choices you've both made have been wrong,
00:44:33although one would perhaps understand the desperation.
00:44:36She's going to the right place.
00:44:38I'll leave you with Graeme.
00:44:40She's a good mum and a good nanny,
00:44:41and I wish she was mum.
00:44:42Do you understand why we need to know what the family dynamic is all about?
00:44:45OK.
00:44:45Because the family dynamic is all about.
00:44:49Just before we move on,
00:44:50somebody just said to me,
00:44:51do you think Zina will last?
00:44:53Do you think she'll do the six weeks?
00:44:55Do you think she'll change her life?
00:44:56I hope so,
00:44:57but I can only ever say this to people, you know?
00:44:59This show has given her a fantastic opportunity,
00:45:01an opportunity she'll never get anywhere else.
00:45:03It really is down to her and her family.
00:45:05We'll keep you updated.
00:45:06Let's continue with my next guest today,
00:45:08Sarah,
00:45:08who's here for crucial double lie detector results.
00:45:11She says,
00:45:12her boyfriend Curtis had a friend with benefits.
00:45:14What does that mean, Will?
00:45:15This is a Friday nighter,
00:45:16before they got together.
00:45:17And rumours have circulated
00:45:19that this guy is still sleeping with the Friday nighter.
00:45:22Sarah is here to get the truth and check this,
00:45:23to prove to Curtis she isn't a cheat either.
00:45:26A lot more to the story.
00:45:27Do I look confused?
00:45:28I probably am.
00:45:28Sarah's on the car show that way.
00:45:33How are you?
00:45:36Nice to meet you.
00:45:37You all right?
00:45:37I don't know whether you look...
00:45:38Nervous.
00:45:38Why are you nervous?
00:45:40Just nervous.
00:45:41Why are we here on the car show today?
00:45:42Because, honestly,
00:45:43it's an amazing love.
00:45:44You're engaged.
00:45:45I mean,
00:45:46two years,
00:45:46everything's great.
00:45:47What's the matter with you?
00:45:48Why are you here?
00:45:48Well,
00:45:49he was sleeping with one of his...
00:45:51I got with me,
00:45:52friends with benefits.
00:45:54Is that like a...
00:45:55Oh,
00:45:55old man now.
00:45:56Is that like you go to a disc club?
00:45:58Sorry.
00:45:58You go to a club on a Friday night disco.
00:46:01I get it.
00:46:01And neither of you pull.
00:46:03And so you think,
00:46:05oh,
00:46:05we're mates.
00:46:05We want to have sex.
00:46:06Safe sex.
00:46:07Bob's your uncle.
00:46:08Not safe sex,
00:46:09but I basically with each other.
00:46:10Sorry?
00:46:11It wasn't safe sex,
00:46:12but I...
00:46:13But they...
00:46:13So they would have sex,
00:46:15but there wasn't a relationship.
00:46:16No.
00:46:17Was that happening when you got with him?
00:46:19No,
00:46:19but not long...
00:46:20Not long before I got with him.
00:46:22So why two years down the line
00:46:24are you on the Jeremy Kyle show saying,
00:46:26I said,
00:46:27yes,
00:46:27I'd marry him.
00:46:28He's my first love.
00:46:29Everything's great.
00:46:30But now I reckon he must have still been having sex with this bird.
00:46:34Because she was actually telling people
00:46:35that she did sleep with Curtis behind me back a few months ago.
00:46:38But then there's something more to this,
00:46:39which is because you're licking your lips and looking at the floor,
00:46:41I think you look nervous.
00:46:42In all of this,
00:46:43why are you doing one?
00:46:46Because he gets paranoid.
00:46:47He smokes weed.
00:46:48He gets paranoid
00:46:49and he thinks I've done something.
00:46:50But you have actually given him some reason to be paranoid,
00:46:53haven't you?
00:46:53Well, no,
00:46:54not really.
00:46:55Yes,
00:46:55you said the following.
00:46:57Previously,
00:46:58I...
00:46:58One of his friends kissed...
00:46:59Well,
00:47:00two of his friends kissed me
00:47:00and I've pushed them away,
00:47:01but that's not my fault.
00:47:03They came at me,
00:47:03I pushed them away
00:47:04and I told Curtis straight away.
00:47:05You didn't do anything back?
00:47:06No.
00:47:06So he's on weed
00:47:07and thinks she got off
00:47:08and done more than that
00:47:09with two of his mates.
00:47:09You think that the fact that this bird's put around
00:47:12that she's had sex with Curtis
00:47:14means that something's going on.
00:47:16So at the moment,
00:47:17where are we at?
00:47:18I mean,
00:47:18it wasn't the Jeremy Carl show,
00:47:19you idiot,
00:47:20but I mean,
00:47:20what about the relationship?
00:47:21What's the relationship like?
00:47:23We'll argue because of it,
00:47:25because of these rumours.
00:47:26We'll argue a lot.
00:47:27You told my team
00:47:28he's had enough chances
00:47:29to admit he's cheated.
00:47:30If he's failed the test...
00:47:31It's all for good,
00:47:32he's gone.
00:47:32It's a big day.
00:47:34Curtis is on the Jeremy Carl show.
00:47:35He's coming out that way.
00:47:42Oh, hello, Curtis.
00:47:45Curtis, 20.
00:47:46I'm here to prove
00:47:47I haven't cheated on Sarah
00:47:48with an old fling.
00:47:49You're Friday night or something.
00:47:51Please do slouch.
00:47:52Sit up.
00:47:52Nice one.
00:47:54Tell me about the friends
00:47:56with benefits thing.
00:47:57How does that work then?
00:47:58Death.
00:47:58Did you have safe sex with her?
00:48:00Not all the time.
00:48:02Why not?
00:48:03I didn't want anything.
00:48:05Great.
00:48:05Did she get pregnant at all?
00:48:06No.
00:48:07Were you still having
00:48:08unsafe sex with her
00:48:10when you met
00:48:10the love of your life, Sarah?
00:48:12No, I stopped having sex
00:48:13with her about a week,
00:48:14two weeks before I met Sarah.
00:48:15Very admirable
00:48:16and very good of you, isn't it?
00:48:17So you met Sarah.
00:48:18I've been with Sarah for two years,
00:48:20engaged after seven months.
00:48:21I proposed on Facebook.
00:48:22We called the engagement off.
00:48:24Why?
00:48:24Because of all accusations,
00:48:26putting too much stress,
00:48:27so we both agreed
00:48:27that we jumped into her too quick.
00:48:30Too big of a step too fast.
00:48:31Tell her why you don't trust her.
00:48:33Look at her.
00:48:33Tell her.
00:48:34Because, obviously,
00:48:35with a smoking weed,
00:48:35I get paranoid.
00:48:36You know that.
00:48:37And when my two friends
00:48:38are trying to kiss you,
00:48:39obviously,
00:48:40I do believe you,
00:48:41but there could be a bit more.
00:48:42And that's it, basically.
00:48:43And I'm going to pass 100%.
00:48:44See you, Mia?
00:48:45Why do you smoke weed?
00:48:46Because I love it.
00:48:51Honestly.
00:48:53Really.
00:48:53Honestly.
00:48:55Do you not like him smoking it?
00:48:57No.
00:48:58You think that makes you the big man, yeah?
00:49:00No, not at all.
00:49:01Why don't you get off your backside
00:49:02and go to work?
00:49:03I've got a job, so...
00:49:04You do?
00:49:04Bye.
00:49:04So you spend your money on drugs?
00:49:06Yes, I do.
00:49:06How much do you smoke?
00:49:07I smoke about 10 a bag a week.
00:49:10A what?
00:49:10A 10 a bag a week.
00:49:12About a gram.
00:49:13About a gram worth of cannabis a week.
00:49:15Why?
00:49:16Because I want it.
00:49:17And it makes you paranoid?
00:49:19I've smoked it for about 10 years.
00:49:20Make sure you argue with your girlfriend.
00:49:22It's illegal.
00:49:22What good is in any of that?
00:49:24There's no good.
00:49:25I just like it.
00:49:27No good.
00:49:2810 or a bag.
00:49:29Can you help me out?
00:49:31Do you not think that if you didn't smoke weed,
00:49:33you might look at this whole thing differently?
00:49:35Aye, but there'd still be that little bit in the back of my age thinking.
00:49:37She said, well, you said to me, if he's done anything, it's over.
00:49:42Yeah.
00:49:42Talk to him.
00:49:43But like I've said, you've had so many chances.
00:49:45Tell us all the two, yeah?
00:49:47After what happened before we got in the taxi last night when you admitted to something.
00:49:50After that, then you feel this, it's over.
00:49:52I've told you everything now.
00:49:53What?
00:49:54Aye, that's what happened the last time you told us something,
00:49:56and the last time you told us something,
00:49:57and the last time you told us something.
00:49:57Now you're not everything.
00:49:59Well, we'll find out in person.
00:50:01If it's for you, it's over for good.
00:50:03Fair enough.
00:50:04I'll not feel it all, but so far.
00:50:05So you're concerned, because you smoke weed, that she...
00:50:08I mean, it doesn't...
00:50:10Two of his friends kissed you.
00:50:11You think there might be more.
00:50:13You say, well, I'm just being honest.
00:50:15I mean, I came to waste straight away.
00:50:16On the back of the other thing is that your friends with benefits...
00:50:19Quite interesting that you were...
00:50:21What were you doing with her?
00:50:22Just having sex.
00:50:23Yeah, thanks.
00:50:24Two years ago, and it finished apparently before you started.
00:50:27You fell in love with her.
00:50:28And that was a wire, and it went on for a few months,
00:50:30and then it was only then that this woman jumped up and down,
00:50:32which is a bit weird.
00:50:33Just a quick question.
00:50:34You've both done results.
00:50:35We're going to do them.
00:50:35How many people think she's passed?
00:50:37Put your hands in the air.
00:50:39Everybody thinks you've passed.
00:50:40That's good.
00:50:41Big breath.
00:50:42That's not the result, sir.
00:50:43How many people think he's passed?
00:50:45Why, I...
00:50:46Nobody!
00:50:47He's all daft!
00:50:48He's all daft, man!
00:50:50Still, there's all-important lie detector results, please.
00:50:53Start with you, Curtis.
00:50:55So every single person in this audience
00:50:56thinks that Curtis was a liar.
00:50:59Curtis told the examiner
00:51:00at the beginning of his relationship with Sarah
00:51:02he went out for a few drinks.
00:51:04At the end of the night,
00:51:05he admitted another person gave him oral sex.
00:51:07Did you know about that?
00:51:08Just before we got in the taxi last night.
00:51:10OK.
00:51:10So we asked him,
00:51:11since the start of your relationship with Sarah
00:51:12in August 2013,
00:51:14have you, Curtis,
00:51:15bearing in mind you're such a lothario,
00:51:18had sexual intercourse with the person in question?
00:51:20He said no.
00:51:21Why did you say no, Curtis?
00:51:23Because I was telling the truth.
00:51:24Because he was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen!
00:51:31Since the start of your relationship with Sarah
00:51:33in August 2013,
00:51:34have you, Curtis,
00:51:35had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:51:37He said no.
00:51:37Why did you say no?
00:51:38I was telling the truth.
00:51:38Because he was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen!
00:51:43Right, I don't know!
00:51:45Since the start of your relationship with Sarah
00:51:46in August 2013,
00:51:47apart from what you've told me,
00:51:48have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
00:51:50He said no.
00:51:51Guess what?
00:51:52Your boyfriend got a full house, ladies and gentlemen!
00:51:55Are you already in school?
00:51:56Are you already in school?
00:51:57Are you already in school?
00:51:57Are you already in school?
00:51:57Are you already in school?
00:51:57I didn't know.
00:52:00I didn't know.
00:52:01I didn't know.
00:52:01I didn't know.
00:52:02I didn't know.
00:52:02I didn't know.
00:52:03I didn't know.
00:52:03I didn't know.
00:52:04We asked Sarah,
00:52:05she also told us something.
00:52:06She said that on two separate occasions,
00:52:09just to clear this up,
00:52:09boys had kissed her,
00:52:11but she pushed them off.
00:52:12Mm-hmm.
00:52:13She stated,
00:52:14she told Curtis on both occasions
00:52:16what happened
00:52:16and no other sexual contact took place.
00:52:18Happy with that?
00:52:18We asked Sarah,
00:52:19since the start of your relationship with Curtis
00:52:21in August 2013,
00:52:21apart from the two occasions we discussed,
00:52:23have you passionately kissed anyone else?
00:52:25You said no.
00:52:25What did you say no?
00:52:26I was telling the truth.
00:52:27Tess says you're a liar, love.
00:52:28Oh!
00:52:31Since the start of your relationship with Curtis...
00:52:33Oh!
00:52:34Oh!
00:52:34Oh!
00:52:34All of a sudden!
00:52:35No!
00:52:35Hold on!
00:52:36I'll kiss a little bit of the rest of this task.
00:52:37No, no, come with me!
00:52:38All of a sudden,
00:52:39she...
00:52:39Sorry!
00:52:40She...
00:52:41I'll tell you what,
00:52:41we'll go to a break.
00:52:42Back in a minute.
00:52:44So she believed the test,
00:52:46young man,
00:52:46when you did it,
00:52:47but apparently now
00:52:48it's a pile of rubbish.
00:52:49I haven't even finished giving...
00:52:50Oi!
00:52:51Oi!
00:52:52Excuse me.
00:52:54Since the start of your relationship with Curtis
00:52:55in August 2013,
00:52:56apart from Kissing,
00:52:57have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
00:52:58You said no.
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00:57:52So he passed and everybody thought he was a liar.
00:57:54She's ripped off her microphone and done one.
00:57:57So she believed the test, young man, when you did it,
00:57:59but apparently now it's a pile of rubbish.
00:58:01I haven't even finished giving...
00:58:03Oi! Oi!
00:58:04Excuse me.
00:58:08Sorry, but you believed the test when he did it
00:58:10and now you're running away.
00:58:11Why are you running away?
00:58:13Since the start of your relationship,
00:58:15it says you passionately kissed somebody, right?
00:58:18Since the start of your relationship with Curtis in August 2013,
00:58:20apart from kissing if you had sexual contact with anyone else,
00:58:22you said, no, that said you lied as well.
00:58:25She passed the sexual intercourse.
00:58:27That would imply, whether you like it or not, okay,
00:58:31that more happened on the occasions or on other occasions.
00:58:34Now, they all thought he was a liar.
00:58:36She did not have sexual intercourse.
00:58:38She failed sexual contact and kissing.
00:58:43You passed sexual intercourse, you failed the other two.
00:58:46Why would you fail it if you passed one question?
00:58:49The test is right.
00:58:50What happened?
00:58:51See what I mean?
00:58:53She passed the sexual intercourse, right?
00:58:56The last one.
00:58:57Where's she going now?
00:58:59It's like the Olympics around here.
00:59:01Oi!
00:59:02Did you have sex with anybody?
00:59:04Did you have sex with anybody?
00:59:06Seven.
00:59:07Unbelievable.
00:59:08She didn't have sex, but something has happened.
00:59:10And I just want to point something out.
00:59:12She didn't have sex.
00:59:14So the test, she's admitted, the test is right.
00:59:17Something happened.
00:59:18You passed it, she failed it.
00:59:20Now she won't even talk.
00:59:21She's in the toilets.
00:59:22Now I've got a bit of a bit of a bit.
00:59:24What?
00:59:24She's the one I'm sure.
00:59:26She's the one I'm sure thinking I'm the chief.
00:59:28Do you want to know what I think?
00:59:30Do you want to know what I truly and honestly think?
00:59:32Go for it.
00:59:32I think she thought that you were going to fail
00:59:34and two wrongs would make a right
00:59:36and you'd walk out of here
00:59:37and everything would be fine.
00:59:38I knew you'd pass the minute you walked out with your face.
00:59:40The fact is, she didn't have sex.
00:59:42That second question would be about kiss or can't it?
00:59:45Because if it was just a kiss,
00:59:46aye, fair enough,
00:59:47no, I would mean I let someone.
00:59:51So in essence,
00:59:52what you've both done is the same, isn't it?
00:59:54Isn't it equal?
00:59:55So I've got a little thing
00:59:57and you can say what you want, you can go.
00:59:58Neither of you had sex.
01:00:00He admitted only last night there was oral sex.
01:00:03Yes, true.
01:00:03Aye.
01:00:04And passed it.
01:00:06Something happened,
01:00:07you passed intercourse,
01:00:09which means the test is right.
01:00:10Something happened
01:00:11and I'm just trying to help you a little bit here.
01:00:14Level playing field, mate.
01:00:15He only got in a car last night with you.
01:00:17Tell him the truth and you'll be all right,
01:00:18but tell him the truth and start running.
01:00:20Tell him.
01:00:21So, tell him the truth,
01:00:22who you're with and what happened.
01:00:23If I knew, do not think I'd tell you?
01:00:26Do not think you're being out with it
01:00:27and something's happened?
01:00:27No.
01:00:28Why'd you fail the test then?
01:00:29I'm old with you, I don't know.
01:00:30Why do?
01:00:31Because you lied.
01:00:33Well, that's your opinion then.
01:00:34But you passed the sexual intercourse.
01:00:36I'm gone.
01:00:37So you don't want to stay and fight with him?
01:00:39Well,
01:00:40Shall I tell you something?
01:00:41You know you said that you don't like the fact
01:00:42that nobody wants to keep here.
01:00:42Why don't you just run away?
01:00:44Because none of you...
01:00:44Ben, nobody here is going to chase you anymore.
01:00:46You've got a chance to be honest with the man you say.
01:00:48I haven't been honest.
01:00:49No, you're not.
01:00:50He was honest with you last night.
01:00:52Tell him the truth, darling.
01:00:54You can put it right.
01:00:55And I'm telling him the truth, I didn't know of me doing anything with anyone.
01:00:59What do you mean?
01:01:00You might have been drunk?
01:01:01No.
01:01:04Come on.
01:01:05And I never used to go out drinking with him.
01:01:07I'm not allowed out drinking without him, so...
01:01:09Something happened, didn't it, because you passed sexual intercourse
01:01:12and you have a great chance to make this work
01:01:15because he just said,
01:01:16I'm no good, I did that, and I only told her last night.
01:01:19I don't care.
01:01:19It could actually be good, this,
01:01:21because you could wipe the slate clean.
01:01:22Look at me.
01:01:23If I knew I did anything, I'd tell him.
01:01:25I don't know, I don't think, yes, I would.
01:01:26You came in knowing...
01:01:27When I tell him about other things...
01:01:28Ask me a question.
01:01:29Look me in the eyes.
01:01:30Did you come here expecting him to fail?
01:01:32Yes.
01:01:33And if he had you, I'd have told him what you did
01:01:35and he would have balanced it out.
01:01:36He admitted what he did last...
01:01:37I wouldn't have told him nothing
01:01:38because I knew I haven't done anything.
01:01:44Um, it doesn't make it right
01:01:46that it was only last night that you admitted...
01:01:48No, I'm in the wrong and all I like.
01:01:50But, he has given you a chance.
01:01:52I'll put you with Graham, I hope you can do it.
01:01:54It doesn't...
01:01:55Look, two wrongs don't make a right,
01:01:57but it's a level playing field, isn't it?
01:02:00I want to hear in a week or an hour or half an hour
01:02:02that you've actually told him
01:02:03that we can work with you.
01:02:05One more chance.
01:02:06Something happened, didn't it?
01:02:07No.
01:02:09It did.
01:02:10Well, if it did, she'll tell us after the show
01:02:11when there's new cameras.
01:02:13No, no, no, she will.
01:02:14I hope that works, all right?
01:02:17Yeah, that face says it all.
01:02:19I'm out of time.
01:02:20Thanks for watching.
01:02:20We'll work with these guys and Graham.
01:02:22We'll see you soon.
01:02:22Take care.
01:02:23Bye-bye for now.
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01:08:05You're probably wondering where Phil is.
01:08:06All is about to be revealed, and it's a real treat for you.
01:08:09If you've got children or grandchildren, chances are one of these is on top of their Christmas wish list.
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01:08:18Phil, this is good.
01:08:20Watch out for the speedy bit, speedy bit, speedy bit.
01:08:23My bum is shaking a bit.
01:08:26It's that core of steel that's getting you round there, Phil.
01:08:31Are you enjoying it?
01:08:32Oh, it's ballet.
01:08:33You're doing very well, bearing in mind he only got on this about five minutes ago.
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01:08:46Oh, look, he's a bit good on that.
01:08:48And also Justin Bieber, who's spinning around on his private jet, no less.
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