00:00Okay, let me go to my newsmaker now, the leader of the Shiv Sena parliamentary party in the
00:05Lok Sabha, Arvind Sawan joins me. Appreciate you're joining us, Mr. Sawan. It appears that
00:10your party is breaking apart. Six MPs reportedly writing a letter to the speaker that they want
00:16to merge with the Shiv Sena Shinde group. Are you now effectively a minority even in
00:22the parliamentary party and who do you hold responsible for this breakup?
00:30I think, Manin Rajdeepji, you have arrived to a conclusion assuming that they have left
00:36the party, a letter has been submitted, approval has been given by the Honorable Speaker of
00:41the House. It is not so. It is not so. The letter has not yet gone to the Speaker of
00:47the House.
00:47Secondly, we have met him in a precautionary measure, you can say preventive measures, you
00:52can say. When we heard that the news is appearing for last week, just think of it on the 14th
00:58of this month, 14th of this month, Honorable Uddevji conducted a meeting at Matoshti in Mumbai,
01:04where four were physically present and other four were there on the video conferencing.
01:10So within two days, what has happened?
01:13No, you tell me, no, you tell me, no, no, you tell me what has happened. No, no, one
01:16minute. No, no, Arvind Savanji, you tell me what has happened in the last two days because
01:20Sanjay Raut is saying 15 crores have been offered to these MPs in advance and 50 crores allegedly
01:26is what is going to be paid. Now, there is no evidence of it. But if you are saying that
01:31only on Sunday they were with you and today they seem to be switching sides, something has
01:37happened in the last 48 hours. What has happened? What has changed?
01:43I don't know. See, these, these again, these are the, you know, informations you get, as you
01:49get the information, we too get information. None of these information are confirmed, one.
01:53But secondly, the fact is that what is happening in Maharashtra Assembly, you know it, you know,
02:00understand Marathi also very well. What is that slogan? Do you know it?
02:04What it means? The 50 crores were offered to every MLA who left the party and joined them.
02:10And that is, everybody knows it. Not only Maharashtra, the world they know it. What is 50
02:14okay? So this is what the, you know, happened with the party, which is taking initiative.
02:20No, but why is it so easy? Sir, you are saying, sir, you are saying, no, no, you are saying
02:26panna's, okay, but why is it becoming so easy to break a party like yours? Trinamul Congress
02:32few days ago. Now your party, all regional parties seem to be very easy to break. Why is it so
02:38easy?
02:39Ekna chinde broke your party in 2022. And now your parliamentary party seems to be breaking.
02:44Why is it so easy? Is it only money? See, let me tell you frankly again, this day, no,
02:52I don't think it has happened. I won't accept it till it happens. Right now, because we have issued a
03:00whip
03:01for a meeting, which is to be conducted tomorrow. So let us see how many MPs remain present in that
03:09meeting. And after that, we can say, I don't want to, I mean, tarnish anybody's image or blame anyone
03:15right now. The fact remains that the, why somebody, because the news is appearing in the
03:20channel, why I should accuse my colleague that you are going to defect the party?
03:25No, you are not accusing, but Sanjay Raut is already abusing them. Sanjay Raut is already abusing
03:31them and calling them dhokhe baas and using abusive words. No, no, are we saying, are we saying that
03:37there are people in the Shiv Sena who have now decided that they want to be on the, with power,
03:44they want to be with BJP or with the government in the center. They want to have power. This is
03:49all
03:49about power.
03:55See, Shiv Sena is altogether different party. We believe party, we look at the party, we honor
04:02the party, we regard the party as a mother. And after the agony, if some words have come, it is
04:08not
04:08for any individual. What he said, if at all somebody is defecting, then naturally there was a reaction
04:15from the honourable one, Sanjay Raut ji. It is not that he has given, he has taken anybody's name.
04:21No. He said, this is principally wrong. Why you are creating a share market of the political parties
04:28like this. If somebody is trying to purchase it, somebody is there to sell of you himself. Mark,
04:33people are standing in the market. I am ready to get, they're like IPL. They are saying the bargaining,
04:38they met you. I'll pay you this price. Join me. This is an Indian political league auction.
04:42Is this the political? This is the Indian political league auction that is going on.
04:47But Arvind Savan ji, you have been a senior, you have been a senior leader of the, sir, sir,
04:53you have been a senior leader of Shiv Sena. This is what is happening. Then do you feel...
04:57Are you disappointed? Are you feeling disappointed, angry? Do you feel by being so?
05:04No, no. See, naturally one is bound to get disappointed if such things are happening in the...
05:09Do you honour the constitution of India now? Do you want to maintain the sanctity of the constitution
05:14of India or not? That is what the million dollar question right now. Every... See, what has happened
05:19in with us in the... Even if they have left, what the defection, anti-defection clause law schedule says,
05:26it should be two-third and they should join, merge with someone. Did they do? Did... Whether they were
05:31two-third? What the Chief Justice of India is doing for the last four years? He's not able to give
05:36a
05:37decision on this. What you... What... Where the democracy is? It is... It is not only auction,
05:43Devji. This is the criminalization of the politics. You know, you are... You accuse a person that you are
05:49a corrupt and next day you accept him and you make him a chief minister. It is a criminalization of
05:54the
05:55politics and this is what BJP is doing it. And this other party with the blessings of the BJP,
06:01with the support of the BJT, they too got the courage. We can do this thing. Nobody is going to
06:06object to
06:06us because the CGI is slipping. Who is going to take action against us? So nobody is going to take
06:11action against them. That confidence is given to the people who betray... No, I... I know that the... Sir,
06:18I know that the Supreme Court has been sitting on the judgment in the Shiv Sena case for the last
06:22three
06:22years and questions will be raised as to why they are. But I want to still ask you... More than
06:27that.
06:27No, no. Since 2023 and now we are in 2026. But... But do you believe therefore that this is part
06:34of a BJP
06:34plan for an opposition Mukt Bharat? That Narendra Modi ji's, Amit Shah ji's plan particularly after they lost
06:41the delimitation bill in parliament is opposition Mukt. Two-thirds majority opposition Mukt Bharat.
06:51This is the right question. This is what their intention is. And the reason behind is that they want to
07:01modify the constitution of India. They want to amend the constitution of India. Not only the limitation
07:07bill. Don't think that their limit is something else. Their object is something else. They have some
07:14different ideas in their mind. Right? Now even he... The... West Bengal's Tribal Congress people,
07:21even if they are 22, it is again unconstitutional. I tell you, the deep... The party chief, the Kundu,
07:30he himself once got shocked. Somebody is merging with me. I don't know. Without his consent, without his
07:35letter, the letter has not been retilted to the Speaker of the House that they have... He has accepted
07:40these people in this party. You know, all things are going on anti-constitution. Do you... Do you also
07:44accept... Sir, you are... Sir, you are blaming... Sir, you are... I say... No, no, one minute.
07:48It is a criminalization. You are saying criminalization. You are blaming the BJP. But what about the
07:53leadership of your own party? Many of these MPs privately say that they feel that Uddav Thakre is not
07:58able to inspire them. This is not Barasai Thakre's party. You all broke away from the BJP. Joint hands with
08:04the
08:04Congress that is against your Hindutva ideology. They give me these reasons.
08:12Rajiv ji, it is a very much... Balasai Thakre's party, 100%. I can tell you. And we are following the
08:21path of the Honourable Mandaniya Hindu Ruday Samrat, Shiva Sena Prabhu Balasai Thakre. Uddav ji is running the
08:28party. Whatever the aspirations, whatever the... I mean, the thoughts she has inculcated in us,
08:37imbibed in us, we are following the same path today also. Therefore, we don't have anything in mind
08:43that we are violating. The only thing is that you know it. These are the guys. What was the, you
08:48know,
08:48complaint? Complaint was what? Because they are not being allotted money. The funds are not being
08:53alerted to the opposition parties. May it be MLA, may it be MP of any party. I mean, all any
08:59opposition
09:00parties are suffering like this. All opposition parties are not getting funds. You are making an
09:05important allegation. You are saying all opposition MPs and MLAs are not having denied funds.
09:13May I add to it further? Let me complete it. Yes. If right... I said it the other day also.
09:19A day will come,
09:20CAG will have to take a cognizance of the funds allocated under the DPDC to the party, to the
09:28ruling parties, or even the... those who are not even the members of the assembly, not even the
09:34members of the council, provincial council. He is being allocated a five crore fund, but not the MP.
09:40Not the MP. Not the MP. This is a very, very serious charge you are making today on the show,
09:45Mr. Arvind Sawant, you are claiming that opposition MPs and MLAs are being denied their constituency funds.
09:52This is a charge. Yes, denied. Yes, true. Okay. True, I'm telling you. And this...
09:56their... this is their grievance, not the complaint. This grievance is genuine. We do accept it. Okay.
10:02This grievance was... what we were saying is that under the circumstances, we have to keep a tolerance.
10:07Right. And go ahead with the issues of the people.
10:09I'm going to leave it... Go on the road. Fight for the issues of the people. Okay.
10:13Good. That is what she was telling us, guiding us. Okay. I'm going to leave it there.
10:20Mr. Arvind Sawant, you obviously are waiting to see what happens when your parliamentary party meets
10:26tomorrow, but for now it appears that the Shiv Sena could be the... Shiv Sena UBT could be the latest
10:32opposition
10:32party facing a divide. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Today, Rajdeep Ji. Yes.
10:37Today in the morning, we were three from the Lok Sabha. Yes.
10:41One Mr. Sanjay Patil was very much in Mumbai. He did not come to Delhi, nor he signed any paper.
10:48So these are all fake news that they were seven and now it has come to where? Why? If at
10:55all they had so
10:56been in number, why did they did not go to the honorable speaker and took a photograph that we
11:01have joined it? Has it happened that whole day? Okay. We'll wait and see. We'll wait and see
11:07whether they have the numbers or... The fact is totally different. Sir, we'll wait and see
11:10whether they have the numbers or not. We'll know tomorrow. We too are... We too are ready to wait and
11:14see.
11:15Thank you very much for joining me on the show tonight. Thank you.
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