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00:00:07This area on the outskirts of Rome, close to the castles, grew in parallel
00:00:13when farmers abandoned their fields. All of Vermicino was founded in this way.
00:00:19The place where the accident occurred is a place called La Selvotta, right in the middle of the
00:00:24Road between Casilina and Tuscolana. 200 families or so. All construction sites are operational.
00:00:30drawing water from artesian wells.
00:00:3940 years ago a phone call arrived at the command of the Rome Fire Brigade who sorted it out
00:00:45at the Frascati command. He tells me to go out and go to Vermicino number 33 which is
00:00:52A child was missing and we would have found the canine police on the spot. It was midnight and
00:00:59There was no one there, Tascati is here on the siren, it didn't take us long. And when we got there we split up.
00:01:05a policeman with a police dog and a firefighter and we started looking
00:01:10together with other people. Alfredino? Alfredino. They called me Alfredino, there was my mother, there was
00:01:15the father, there were the police at home. But we simply thought of a child who had gotten lost.
00:01:20in the fields. Alfredino, Alfredino. And until we heard then after a little while, after a little while
00:01:26the voice of Luggero himself, who was one of our auxiliary soldiers who was with us.
00:01:32He was very young, 20 years old, he was a soldier. We called Luggero, we found him,
00:01:38We found it, Luggero found it. 40 years have passed and a long time, but you
00:01:45you could have imagined everything that evening, except that a story would begin that would
00:01:51We dragged all of Italy to the bottom of a pit. We tried our best, but we couldn't.
00:02:10And this one? They even put some flowers there, see some. Oh, I see, it's there. But I imagined it.
00:02:15A little bigger. How could 15,000-20,000 people fit in there? It's a mystery.
00:02:23in fact, in my opinion. And they were also intriguing, I imagine. In my opinion it was precisely
00:02:28an excess. So many people, this little town. Where exactly was the place? The place was
00:02:34This one, yes. We arrived with the policeman, the canine unit. Giorgio Serranti.
00:02:44Giorgio Serranti, yes. First we started calling him Alfredino, Alfredino, Alfredino.
00:02:48Alfredino, Alfredino, Alfredino. And we passed by the well. Passing by the well,
00:02:53Maybe he heard the voices. At that moment he reacted and spoke.
00:02:57We saw this, this shoulder with this, with this piece of sheet metal that
00:03:03was covering it. Was there a sheet of metal? Yes. We got closer and heard him there screaming,
00:03:08he was crying, he was screaming and... At that moment we uncovered the well and I said, Alfredino,
00:03:12don't worry, now, we'll take you now, be good, stay calm and anyway I was trying to
00:03:18Reassure him. Do you still remember? Yeah, that was a bad thing. Were you tied up by your feet?
00:03:30For the feet, yes. The hole was a 30-centimeter well. Yes, yes, yes. And then they harnessed and
00:03:36Then
00:03:37I tried to go down, but there's nothing further than 4-5 meters down. Didn't you see it? No, absolutely not.
00:03:43No.
00:03:43Why were they already 30 meters away? Yes, yes. Like a ten-story building? Yes, indeed.
00:03:48To go in there, let's say, with the courage of a lion? But everyone would have done it. In there...
00:03:53there was, at that moment there was the son of Paolo, of Mario, of everyone. Everyone would have
00:04:01I did it in this situation. Because I was thinner, so in the end... It was really tight,
00:04:07yes, but then it went according to plan. How long did it last? It lasted until the end, which was
00:04:13Behind the scenes, a month's worth of work. It took a while. A nightmare? Yes, after that, we don't do anything else.
00:04:20than swallowing bags of water to maintain the body.
00:04:27Vermicino is a black hole that no one can forget. It is the defeat of a State.
00:04:32who proves unprepared in the face of an emergency. It is the spectacle of pain that television
00:04:38It will be long criticized. Vermicino is a story that speaks volumes about us, about Italy.
00:04:43of that time. Generous but disorganized. A country that makes do and improvises. Even
00:04:50when it might be advisable to follow the procedures and listen to the experts.
00:04:55entire nation ready to encourage the rescuers' efforts. However, 40 years ago, many
00:05:01when it was all over, they left the house with red eyes.
00:05:16Vermicino marks the first time this town discovers its emotional fragility.
00:05:26We were supposed to document a moment of catharsis and instead we documented horror.
00:05:31In the light of electrical photography, we work in a dramatic race against time.
00:05:36I had just gone to sleep because I had been working late. It was half past one.
00:05:42The report. As soon as I arrived on site, I immediately realized the gravity of the situation.
00:05:56The diameter of the well was extremely small, only 28 centimetres.
00:06:04There was a little boy inside. We didn't know what condition he was in.
00:06:13I remember that I wrote in a rush. I took turns with Ugo Mannoni, who was Maurizio's father,
00:06:19one of the greatest journalists I've ever known. And I remember his first piece, which he wrote
00:06:26right then and there, it had a title that was dazzling.
00:06:31A child falls into the well and no one knows how to save him.
00:06:40We began to understand that we had to run, we had to hurry. We understood that it wasn't a
00:06:44stretch that we could do by ourselves because we usually don't make holes in the ground, we don't use
00:06:51drills. There was one of our officials, a geologist official who began to look at the maps and hopefully
00:06:59that everything is fine because it is a volcanic area.
00:07:06There was always the mother calling the child and in front of this drill all night,
00:07:13these tips that pierced, broke. The mother is always there, but when you finish, but when
00:07:19holes, but when... it was all night and so it was.
00:07:27At that time I was working at the Valentino cinema as a camera operator. Three friends
00:07:33my cavers, and I'm a caver too. I came to the cinema where I worked and they
00:07:39asked if I was available to go and try to save Alfredino. And I left in the car
00:07:46my friend, because she was going to Fermi who didn't know where she was.
00:07:51As soon as I arrived, they made me get off right away. They begged me, they put the rope on me.
00:07:58of the ankles. With the binding and the ankle rope, I immediately got down.
00:08:09It all started with a phone call from Tg1. Piero Luigi, look, there's something to follow up on.
00:08:16He says, a child fell into a hole, into a well, they're pulling him out and at 1:30 p.m.
00:08:23we could do a live broadcast seeing the child coming back up, the party, everyone's joy for
00:08:30this operation. That's how it all began.
00:08:37And we went on. That is, as the hours passed we realized how much the people at home
00:08:44he wasn't sleeping.
00:08:49I was among the unfortunate ones who came across that broadcast at lunchtime and I remember
00:08:58the child's screams. I still remember them now. Many years have passed. From that moment
00:09:05everything changed.
00:09:10In Vermicino, we improvise. We resort to that art of making do that often saves us. But some
00:09:17But this time it condemns us. Yet the commander of the Fire Brigade is in command of the operations
00:09:21Elveno Pastorelli, engineer of the Rome Fire Department, is a man of great experience and remarkable ability.
00:09:28with a curriculum that ranges from the Vaillont to the Florence flood and the earthquakes in Friuli and Irpinia.
00:09:35A legend, in short, for everyone and especially for its firefighters. But also for one
00:09:41like him, Vermicino, is a big problem.
00:09:49Benno Pastorelli was a legend because he had raised the profile of the Fire Brigade.
00:09:56Pastorelli was a much-loved figure and he didn't play Superman. We're trying, we're
00:10:02to do this. But he was so disarming in his sincerity, in his moral purity, that
00:10:09the controversies were kept to a minimum. He was the first to understand the importance
00:10:15of the message. However, the structure, although efficient, was not prepared. So
00:10:21it was the structure itself that was overwhelmed by the event.
00:10:27It must have been seven o'clock last night when little Alfredo fell into the well.
00:10:33It's hard to say whether he fell, perhaps while playing, perhaps by stumbling.
00:10:37He was on top, because there's like an embankment, right? Maybe he saw this hole, he made himself,
00:10:43the embankment collapsed and he went down on his feet.
00:10:49Alfredo had left his father in the garden at about that time, but he had never arrived.
00:10:54At home.
00:10:58Any operation that was carried out inside the well could have brought harm to the boy.
00:11:04that was above.
00:11:08It took away air, they could make the materials fall due to friction, if the people who entered
00:11:16It was bringing debris down from the walls, because the well was not lined.
00:11:34The first ones arrived, the first teams of firefighters, the carabinieri arrived,
00:11:39the first volunteers arrived and Alfredo was reassured and assisted throughout the night.
00:11:50What can happen in the mind of a child in that condition? The idea that this
00:11:56child was down there, alone, in the cold, hungry, in short it's something that you don't
00:12:04can be accepted, but cannot be sustained.
00:12:11In firefighters' jargon, they call it the goat. It is this simple structure that is
00:12:17mounted on the edges of the well to try the first maneuvers, they clamp the tube, the
00:12:23fule needed to reach Alfredino in that black hole.
00:12:29That first night, they moved tentatively, with the tools at their disposal.
00:12:36They recovered them from the fire for us, they brought them here to this warehouse. It was communicated
00:12:42So 40 years ago, with a transmitter like this, the headphones. Here's the famous megaphone
00:12:51that Alfredino's mother used to hold to talk to her son. At first she threw down a
00:12:59hemp rope, like this one, but Alfredino doesn't cooperate, the rope comes back empty. In reality
00:13:07the child has a stuck arm and can't grab it, but this will only be discovered
00:13:13later, at 4 in the morning we move on to this one. A tablet like this is lowered,
00:13:21in the hope that the child will grab it and then pull him up. It's a bit reminiscent of a swing,
00:13:26but it is a piece of wood too large for the size of that hole that is on the surface
00:13:30just 30-35 centimetres, but then it narrows again like a funnel, until it reaches only
00:13:3728 centimeters in diameter. The tablet naturally gets stuck and attempts to free it are unsuccessful.
00:13:43than to block her even more. Then this rope too will break.
00:13:58We get there around dawn or so.
00:14:01At 5 this morning Tullio Bernabèi, one of the boys from the speleological section of the
00:14:06The Italian Alpine Club descended into the well with a lamp and a microphone in its hands.
00:14:10connected to an electroprobe. Tullio Bernabèi, who is my team leader, was the first to try,
00:14:16go down. After that he had himself brought back up because he couldn't go down any further, so
00:14:21I stood upside down and lowered myself between the two walls and went down. Then
00:14:43the two speleologists who descended into the well managed to see, even if they never succeeded
00:14:52to reach her, the famous tablet that had gotten stuck.
00:14:56So you would need someone even thinner than her, but someone thinner than me or Tullio,
00:15:03the other boy who came in is of little use because about 25-26 meters away there is a tablet,
00:15:11this board got stuck and did not allow a rope to be lowered directly to the
00:15:15child to take him out because he goes out on his own.
00:15:17This tablet had been dropped as a first aid by the newly arrived team, as
00:15:24the first attempt to help the boy, something that is normally done, is an attempt
00:15:32what he was going to do. Probably it was wrong and the size of the tablet was made
00:15:39a little bigger than it was supposed to be.
00:15:41Alfredo's memory under the tablet is a mix between a lament and a silhouette.
00:15:52These memories are those made upside down, in about ten minutes of excitement
00:15:58and so anyway…
00:16:07The head of the fire brigade, Pastorelli, decided that the attempts from the well directly
00:16:14They had to be stopped. Even though we thought something could still be done…
00:16:25The second measurement we made was by lowering a test tube into a chemical lamp,
00:16:33It breaks and sends out a greenish light. We lowered it down, asked him if you see it, they get closer...
00:16:40until at a certain point it seemed to us. Or he said it's here, it's here.
00:16:47Based on that second measurement, the 25 meters had already risen to 32 meters.
00:16:56Once I realized that we would now be practically useless, I left to go back home…
00:17:10The idea of ​​an alternative route was immediately born.
00:17:14So it was obvious that the head of the fire brigade, Pastorelli, was looking for the drill.
00:17:19I immediately had the idea of ​​digging a parallel well.
00:17:23Throughout the night there was a succession of appeals via radio and television to get the people to rush to the scene.
00:17:34probes.
00:17:36Pastorelli has all of Rome searched for a drill.
00:17:39It wasn't like today back then, there were no cell phones, no Google, no email.
00:17:45Then you look in the telephone directory, in the yellow pages.
00:17:49A hundred phone calls, but no answer.
00:17:52The first few hours go by like this.
00:17:55In the end, the search for the drill yields some results, but only the next morning.
00:18:01Without consulting a geologist, one begins to drill blindly.
00:18:04But at what distance?
00:18:06If you get too close, you could damage the tunnel in which the child is trapped.
00:18:12If you dig too far, the horizontal tunnel that will have to connect the two wells will be longer and
00:18:18It will take longer to make it happen.
00:18:20So we opt for an honorable compromise.
00:18:23Two meters away.
00:18:28The first drill has arrived in Reotto, here you see it.
00:18:31A drill that was the one that the locals also reported to us.
00:18:35Because they had already made three trips to get water.
00:18:39By 9.15am he had already dug a parallel tunnel that reached a depth of 10 metres.
00:18:43At 9.30 we were 15 metres away, a real race against time.
00:18:47This gave us an initial moment of optimism about things because we didn't encounter any difficulties in puncturing.
00:18:56Let's hear from the engineer and the swift Pastorelli.
00:18:59It's 10.40am, what's the situation now?
00:19:00We are trying to make another well about 40 meters away to reach two meters horizontally
00:19:06and get there and get it.
00:19:07The child is still surviving and cooperating very well.
00:19:11Did she talk to us now?
00:19:12Yes, I spoke to him.
00:19:13Here, but how long will it take to pull it out?
00:19:16You can work on it, just be patient.
00:19:21At around 12.30 in the morning we had reached a depth of 18 metres without encountering any difficulties.
00:19:31But if you find 3 meters of rock, stone, or peppercorn underneath, it's tough, there's time.
00:19:38The Tufa Bank didn't scare us, the Tufa Bank can be drilled quite easily.
00:19:44We were afraid of more consolidated rock banks, especially peperino.
00:19:53The real Pastorelli asked us for a bigger drill.
00:19:55he told us, on the radio, find the Geosonde.
00:20:00It was a company specialized in the drilling field.
00:20:04And he says, a bigger drill is coming, which can make the hole in a short time.
00:20:14This drill arrived, it was huge, it was huge.
00:20:17That other drill that was there was dodged.
00:20:21It was a long operation, it started at 9 and a new drill is being used.
00:20:2710 minutes, 15 minutes the drill broke.
00:20:30So answer to that drill, I moved it and put the other old drill back in and it went on all night.
00:20:36The work has been delayed by this unforeseen event, it continues for a long time and the doctors are beginning to have concerns.
00:20:46And now it's being introduced into the bottle that was used in the preceding hours to swallow the sugary liquid.
00:20:53Here, with the same bottle, Alfredo sends some milk.
00:20:58According to the latest measurements they have reached 22 meters, so there is still a good stretch to excavate
00:21:03but it seems that the hardest point, the one that had made us fear the worst, well, hopefully it is now
00:21:10in the end.
00:21:11The chief engineer of the Rome fire brigade, Pastorelli, said that at this moment at least another 150 fires are expected.
00:21:195 hours of work.
00:21:21My son there, in those conditions, in that narrow tunnel, placed in that position for 36 hours without being able to
00:21:27move,
00:21:28I don't know, I would have gone crazy, he's alive, but how much longer can he take it?
00:21:34This car won't move forward, won't move forward, won't move forward.
00:21:38Why are we still stuck in the 24-meter side well?
00:21:42The problem is that at a depth of 24 meters there is a particularly hard layer of rock.
00:21:48We are 25 meters away.
00:21:49But since yesterday you've been telling me that we're at 22 meters.
00:21:53No, yesterday, when was it? Yesterday afternoon, around 7, but you said we were already 25 meters away.
00:22:00Lady.
00:22:00Now it's been all night, it's 7am and we're still 25 metres away.
00:22:07The child is 36 meters away.
00:22:08No, this morning at 5 we were...
00:22:12Once past the rock, the 4-hour forecast has a maximum forecast, according to what the technicians here told us.
00:22:19There were moments when we made everyone happy, including ourselves.
00:22:22Here we are, here it is, one meter to go, two meters to go.
00:22:25We experienced all this.
00:22:27Look, there was some applause, I don't know if you can hear it.
00:22:29Here, it comes on the probe, it's full of earth, people applaud.
00:22:34And Armando's mother burst into tears.
00:22:37Alfredo, by Alfredo.
00:22:38About Alfredo, I apologize, madam.
00:22:40Yes, because they managed to break that hard stone, now they're doing it quickly.
00:22:47Alfredo is still talking, so...
00:22:50Just a little more, just a little more hope.
00:22:52They found the ground broken, they made a hole, thank goodness, at least they can get there.
00:23:02We're trying to gain that metre and a half that separates the two holes.
00:23:07So at this moment, as I speak to you, the two policemen, only with their hands, without the aid of hammers
00:23:15tires, because using the jackhammer could cause a landslide.
00:23:20Through the transmitter, we heard Commander Pasqua telling us, work, break through like a prisoner does, in the sense, with
00:23:29hands, like parts.
00:23:31Obviously you are in a tunnel too, you have to pass the earth behind, because if you have to pass it in front, you have to pass it
00:23:38behind, you passed it behind, underneath, you sent it behind with your legs.
00:23:42You did what a prisoner did to escape.
00:23:45This was done like this.
00:23:46Mario Conini was standing on the bucket that he had brought down for us, and when I hit the ground, those feet,
00:23:56He would take her, send her in, give the signal and pull her up.
00:24:10They told me, have you arrived, I still say no, possible, I say yes, but don't you feel the baby?
00:24:17I say I don't feel it, that's why I got to a point, I say he didn't have it anymore, is it possible that he didn't?
00:24:23I arrived again.
00:24:24The operator who was working at the bottom of the well at that moment, and who was the first to appear,
00:24:33he informed us that the child was missing.
00:24:44Commander, the child is not there.
00:24:47And the real Pastorelli replied, De Santis, Buffardi, come up, you're tired.
00:24:55He didn't want to believe it, either.
00:24:58He didn't want to convince himself that the kids weren't there.
00:25:03The deadly blow that left us all stunned and high, without knowing at that moment that other operations
00:25:14they could have been done.
00:25:18In the end, let's say, we were disappointed when we were told, the child is 80 meters away.
00:25:25It was a shock for everyone.
00:25:29I was convinced that we were taking him up, I look at the truth.
00:25:33These shots, this which was a kind of drilling, it's like an oil well drilling,
00:25:39in reality they had contributed to Alfredino's ever-deeper decline.
00:25:49Pastorelli called us back when it was realized that not only was he not there, but he had slipped another 39 meters
00:25:56further down.
00:25:56The situation has changed and at that point the firefighters pass the buck to us.
00:26:03In the same hours in which efforts are multiplying to save Alfredino, two brothers aged 7 and 9,
00:26:10they fall into a well on the outskirts of Syracuse and drown.
00:26:15Nobody remembers their names though.
00:26:17They were Salvatore and Antonino Liotta.
00:26:20What makes the difference?
00:26:21Television is the TV that transfigures the private drama of a family into a collective trauma.
00:26:29Up to 30 million people will participate in what is said to be the longest live broadcast of all time.
00:26:36There is no television premiere comparable to what happened that night 40 years ago.
00:26:41Never before had RAI thrown itself so resolutely into a news story.
00:26:48It happened because everyone believed in happy endings.
00:27:01That live broadcast on Rai changed everything.
00:27:06I believe it was a real turning point in information in our country.
00:27:10The truth is that I don't think RAI made any political calculations.
00:27:17I think that RAI was overwhelmed.
00:27:20It was perhaps an obligatory choice.
00:27:23Alfredo, the child, still responds to my requests.
00:27:26But he feels tired, fatigued and short of breath.
00:27:31The first night in the studio there was Massimo Valentini.
00:27:35In a moment of interval I said Massimo but what's the point of continuing?
00:27:40It's been all night.
00:27:41And I say Massimo told me look Pierluigi be careful because Italy hasn't gone to sleep.
00:27:48Nobody slept last night.
00:27:54Overwhelmed by a microphone stuck in that hole in the ground because everything changes when that voice is transmitted.
00:28:02We had a camera and two microphones.
00:28:06That is, we had a commentary for TG2 and a commentary for TG1.
00:28:10We felt the same effects, we heard the same moans, we saw the same characters.
00:28:19No one, speaking from a professional point of view, wanted to give up being present at this event, this shocking event.
00:28:28The devastating power of that pain, of that fear, of that fragility meant that the roads that led to
00:28:39Vermicino were clogged with cars and from that moment RAI lost control.
00:28:45It's like a movie, you can see how it ends, do the good guys win or do the bad guys win?
00:28:51Is the good saved or not?
00:28:54At home people wanted to know, this is what overwhelmed everything a bit.
00:29:02Big Brother had become a big brother, where everyone thought they had found their own solution.
00:29:09Perhaps the first reality show, a live broadcast that worried us, because they called us Italians from America.
00:29:17They called to give us solutions, each one had their own solution.
00:29:21And then we were forced to say, tell, beg the viewers who are listening, not to call, avoid calling us.
00:29:34The normal emergency lines were clogged with people asking, making proposals out of good will, offering themselves, because
00:29:48in their opinion they could facilitate the rescue efforts.
00:29:52I came from Punte Casilino, it came to me in Sideia this morning, I did it like this.
00:29:56I put it between the legs, this one turns it in the direction of the cross for the crosswise.
00:30:00Look.
00:30:03The intervention of television has greatly expanded this public participation.
00:30:10Because it accentuated this element of madness that was there, this transformation of death into a spectacle, of pain into a
00:30:21show.
00:30:24He allowed the place to become a kind of Barnum circus, where people went to be seen.
00:30:33In short, it was a mistake.
00:30:35The security service here leaves a bit to be desired, actually, because too many people who are not qualified to occupy
00:30:43living space is present here.
00:30:46This is also a story of heroes, the firefighters, the speleologists and above all the family of Alfredo Rampi.
00:30:54But around the attempt of all these people to save the life of that child, outside there was this anger
00:31:02of God.
00:31:03And this wrath of God was not disciplined, it was not governed.
00:31:11We had spent another night sleeping in front of the television and it had been 12 years before with the landing
00:31:21of the man on the moon.
00:31:23And that event gave us the feeling that anything was possible.
00:31:2812 years later, that same civilization can't pull a child out of a hole in the ground.
00:31:37And this is precisely a manifestation of fragility that emerged in those hours.
00:31:47At 1pm on Friday 12th TG2 starts and a long historic 18-hour live broadcast begins which glued between
00:31:56all Italians in front of the video.
00:31:59Until 7am the next day.
00:32:01At 1.30pm the TG1 news program, hosted by you, will be broadcast in the studio.
00:32:08Welcome back.
00:32:08Yes, yes, that's right. Because the time had come, the time was ripe to move from increasingly more complex connections.
00:32:17frantic that had started the day before during a live broadcast that we didn't know how long it would last.
00:32:23Did RAI and TG1 behave as they should in these cases, or did we broadcast the death live?
00:32:33It is certain that we broadcast the live death of a 6-year-old boy.
00:32:38The hope was to broadcast live the rescue of a 6-year-old boy.
00:32:43While we are talking here about the diagrams, the images of the RAI studio in Via Teolada are scrolling on the monitors
00:32:50time.
00:32:51I've seen almost all of them again and I've seen you too.
00:32:55On your face, as well as on the faces of the other colleagues who were doing the live broadcasts in those hours, I read
00:33:04the signs of discomfort.
00:33:05Yes, probably a personal, human element, mine alone, was the fact that I was 35 years old.
00:33:14I had a 6 year old son, the same age as Alfredino, but beyond the personal data that I
00:33:21pushed to be particularly attentive and respectful of the personal pain and anguish of the mother and father of that child
00:33:30child,
00:33:32there was a need to find a coolness, a reporter's detachment to tell what RAI had by now
00:33:42decided to follow.
00:33:43Unfortunately, however, it got out of hand. I'm referring to the beginning of the 60 hours.
00:33:50So not to the live broadcast together, to the final part.
00:33:53The live broadcast was now inevitable because from the day before we began to follow moment by moment, hour by hour,
00:34:00what seemed like a very short time for the child to be released was about to happen.
00:34:07It wasn't like that. This is just to give you an idea. To dig that parallel probe that the firefighters decided to...
00:34:15to do to reach the child,
00:34:17they thought that in 5-6 hours it would be possible to reach the same height as the child and dig the
00:34:24connecting tunnel.
00:34:25But it wasn't like that. It took 25 hours.
00:34:28But in the meantime, in the other well, the child had slipped 60 meters.
00:34:32We have few restrictions when using archive footage.
00:34:37One of these is, for example, to never again show pictures of people falling from
00:34:44twin towers to escape the flames.
00:34:46Another prohibition is to use little Alfredino's screams, appeals, and cries for help.
00:34:56Do you think we're wrong to broadcast them?
00:34:58Of course. There's a limit that shouldn't be exceeded, Franco.
00:35:02When you emotionally involve a population of 25 million people, it is clear that a measure must be kept.
00:35:09Otherwise, that emotional involvement, from sharing in the pain and problems of the rescuers, quickly becomes merely morbid curiosity.
00:35:21It was the first time that two major news programs, such as Tg1, hosted at the time by Emilio Fedi, and Tg2, hosted
00:35:27by Ugo Zatteretti,
00:35:28they were facing an information emergency of this type.
00:35:33Instead of passing the baton, they entered into a sort of race.
00:35:40Today it seems very questionable to us.
00:35:43But to some extent it was like that, especially in the beginning.
00:35:46But Tg1, perhaps little is known about this, but Tg1, on the evening of the 11th, that is the day before the
00:35:5518-hour live broadcast,
00:35:56On the evening of the 11th, the general management invited Rai 1 to interrupt the live broadcasts,
00:36:07to try to return to normal programming.
00:36:10There was a very violent reaction.
00:36:13Thousands of protest calls arrived, even though Tg2 continued to maintain a connection with Vermicino.
00:36:21So it was just a matter of switching to the other network.
00:36:22By now, those 25 million viewers who followed only wanted to know,
00:36:28he was only interested in knowing how things ended in Vermicino.
00:36:31He wasn't interested in the P2 scandal, what was happening in the world, the crisis, nothing.
00:36:37Only Vermicino.
00:36:39And Saint Almazi, closing the live broadcast, said, we will ask ourselves for a long time what the point of all this was.
00:36:46I've been wondering this for 40 years.
00:36:48There is an episode that makes that measure that must not be exceeded and that was exceeded.
00:36:55In one of the many moments Alfredino's mother, with her back to the camera,
00:37:02he was asking the rescuers in a huddle what was happening, how the excavation was going, right?
00:37:09And there was a hand that grabbed the mother's shoulder and turned her towards the camera.
00:37:13Thank you.
00:37:15Thank you.
00:37:36We are working non-stop, with great generosity.
00:37:40A 6-year-old boy has been trapped 36 meters deep in a well for more than 28 hours.
00:37:46I slip in the freezing mud, the sky is a dot, I can no longer see it.
00:37:50Spider-Man pulled my wrist, the bone broke.
00:37:55Now I'm dreaming because I'm speaking, but the voice isn't mine.
00:37:59I tell you, Mary, what a stupid child, full of grace.
00:38:04Mother, our father, with earth in my mouth, I cannot breathe your will.
00:38:09Let it be done, I don't remember well, I'm scared, you are in heaven.
00:38:13And he looked at his son, he sent him live.
00:38:29And still down there in the Vermicino well.
00:38:33At Repubblica, Rai remembered death.
00:38:43We are trying, fighting against time, to save him from death.
00:38:53Now it's really chaos.
00:38:55Under the eye of cameras always on,
00:38:59then the most incredible psychological drama unfolds
00:39:02never experienced by our country until that moment.
00:39:05The well turns into a stage where relatives, firefighters, journalists crowd together,
00:39:12technicians, speleologists, as is normal,
00:39:15but also curious people and many volunteers.
00:39:18A crazy last night of generous, but improvised, relief efforts.
00:39:23Men, boys, tomb raiders, dwarves, acrobats, contortionists arrive.
00:39:28Improvised, unlikely characters, who certainly come to lend a hand,
00:39:31but perhaps also seeking fame.
00:39:36All this under the eyes of the President of the Republic, Sandro Pertini,
00:39:40arrived by surprise with one of his impulsive and characteristic gestures.
00:39:46Everyone is trying to do something, but no one can do it right.
00:39:50Pertini will remain standing in front of that well for about 15 hours,
00:39:55until 7am the next morning, but his wait will also be in vain.
00:40:03I certainly believe in Pertini's good faith, but it was a mistake to go.
00:40:08It was a mistake because going there could not be of any use,
00:40:12it certainly meant corresponding to a popular feeling,
00:40:16but at that moment the great confusion, the great pressure increased.
00:40:22I believe this is the only mistake made by the Pertini Presidency.
00:40:25I have never seen so many journalists like this,
00:40:27and then lots of people who took it like a wild animal.
00:40:30It was a live broadcast, the first live broadcast of a drama, of a child.
00:40:36That was the problem.
00:40:38The circus that was created gave the idea of ​​this very confusion,
00:40:43this labyrinth from which it was really difficult.
00:40:46come out, and then Angelo Riccheri, and then the speleology experts, and then everyone.
00:40:52But you could see that it was a real race, a race with little hope, let's put it that way.
00:40:59It is also worth noting the presence of another child who wants to go down and try,
00:41:05this time accompanied by the parents who would give their approval.
00:41:09Veno, my commander, decided to let Riccheri go down,
00:41:18he went down, tied him up, they put him in a harness, the speleologists helped us.
00:41:24Riccheri got stuck, so I remember, pull, yes, pull,
00:41:30pull it, pull it up, it's stuck.
00:41:47The child began to see it after overcoming the obstacle.
00:41:51I took this lamp and turned it around a little bit,
00:41:54and finally I saw something unusual, in fact, it wasn't the usual dark tunnel, nothing.
00:42:02So down, down, down, I told them to throw me a little faster,
00:42:07because now I was there, I had arrived.
00:42:09Nothing, so the first thing I did, I cleaned the little eye,
00:42:12and he opened them slightly, but closed them right away.
00:42:15While I was cleaning it, I was trying to do some operations,
00:42:20exactly, then to castrate the left hand, which was not difficult for me,
00:42:24exactly, I was talking to him, you know, I'm going to Sardinia this year,
00:42:27I'll take you with me, I'll take you on boat trips,
00:42:30I'll be there for a month, you'll see, it will be a month for us that we will never forget,
00:42:34rather, we will forget this adventure, you will see that for you this is an adventure,
00:42:38but this, you'll see, we'll forget everything, I'll take you...
00:42:40And the child followed her then, yes.
00:42:41Yes, he was quiet, he was breathing hard, but he didn't complain.
00:42:45And nothing, at this point I took Alfredino, I had him pull me up,
00:42:50over 20 centimeters, I got myself lined up slowly, slowly,
00:42:54I grabbed Alfredo by the armpits, as I grabbed him,
00:42:59by now my hands were free, I had already castrated my right hand too,
00:43:03I grabbed this child, and I actually had him pull me up,
00:43:06I say, pull, slowly, pull, they pulled,
00:43:10and nothing, the child slipped right at my height,
00:43:13I stopped here at elbow height.
00:43:15I actually relapsed, I took Alfredino back for...
00:43:21The elbow.
00:43:22Exactly, where the bone could get a little more grip,
00:43:24nothing, I got it, okay now, not here, but I got it pretty well,
00:43:27just fine, nothing, it slipped back into my system again.
00:43:30So, I decided, the last attempt I made,
00:43:34it's that I took this child by the vest,
00:43:36I mean, I washed the spacca, I thought to myself, I washed the spacca.
00:43:40So, pull, pull, pull, my tank top broke right in half,
00:43:44nothing, Alfredo at that moment I was already a couple of meters away,
00:43:47exactly one and a half meters, maybe two from him,
00:43:50he made two more complaints,
00:43:52ahhh, ahhh,
00:43:53and then I didn't hear his complaints anymore.
00:43:59I did this with my hands, the greeting, I greeted him,
00:44:03I blew a kiss.
00:44:11When Pastorelli called us back,
00:44:15I got down into the basket,
00:44:17he reached the connecting tunnel,
00:44:21along those two, two and a half meters of distance, let's say, from the well,
00:44:26I also tried to get into the elbow
00:44:30which flowed into the artesian well.
00:44:32I didn't go beyond my elbows.
00:44:34The impossibility of entering, in any way,
00:44:37it protected me from a terrible ordeal
00:44:40which is the one that Angelo Richeri faced.
00:44:45There is a young man who wants to go down to Giovermicino,
00:44:49he is small in stature,
00:44:50He is the cinematographer of the Avezzano cinema.
00:44:54He has to go down, he wants to go down.
00:44:56Donato, his name was Donato Caruso,
00:44:58he was tied up, he went down,
00:45:00a torpedo.
00:45:01Go on, give up!
00:45:02Give up!
00:45:03Go!
00:45:04Spring!
00:45:05Spring!
00:45:08As soon as I arrived they made me get off right away.
00:45:12We haven't done any testing.
00:45:14Is Donato okay?
00:45:16Yes, yes.
00:45:17Okay.
00:45:18Bravo!
00:45:18Go ahead.
00:45:20Well done Donato!
00:45:22Silence above!
00:45:23I first got off at the port of Viglio del Fuoco,
00:45:27then to the port of Vermicino,
00:45:29I went down with my hands in front,
00:45:33only like this does it descend above.
00:45:35Do your ankles hurt?
00:45:37Stop, I don't understand, stop!
00:45:39Do your ankles hurt?
00:45:41No!
00:45:41Okay, did you see it?
00:45:42Go ahead!
00:45:43I made a bandage, I'm going to you!
00:45:4555 meters induced,
00:45:47between the two votes 55 meters.
00:45:49But I was going down fast, I was going down.
00:45:52I almost had a head-to-head with the kid.
00:45:55Donated?
00:45:57Can you hear me?
00:45:58Floor!
00:45:59Yes, almost me.
00:46:01Slowly, slowly, slowly.
00:46:03Here, here.
00:46:05Yes, but I'm...
00:46:05Stop!
00:46:06I had a ribbon,
00:46:07I put it on my wrist,
00:46:09I called him,
00:46:10that I heard him not answering me anymore.
00:46:12There was a leg stuck,
00:46:14if there was no leg
00:46:16which prevented one from coming above,
00:46:19I see?
00:46:19Maybe I was carrying it above,
00:46:21even if I carried him dead,
00:46:22but I took him out.
00:46:23Donato, take it easy!
00:46:26Keep calm, Donato,
00:46:27that you arrive alone with the second.
00:46:30Take things slowly.
00:46:32I climbed back up,
00:46:34then I was left with
00:46:35if I could have another resurrection,
00:46:38which was.
00:46:39Then they gave me...
00:46:41they put another extra rope on me,
00:46:44with handcuffs.
00:46:46I went back down,
00:46:47one more time.
00:46:48How is it going?
00:46:53Well done, well done!
00:46:56Calmly, calmly.
00:46:58Make sure it's in good shape.
00:47:01Other arm, do you see it?
00:47:04Okay, make sure it's in good shape.
00:47:08I took the child's arm,
00:47:10the wrist,
00:47:10I put the handcuff on,
00:47:11but she slipped away,
00:47:13it didn't hook him well.
00:47:15Take the test
00:47:16if the throttle
00:47:18it's attached well.
00:47:22Is he going out?
00:47:23What did he tell you?
00:47:24What's coming out?
00:47:25What's coming out?
00:47:26But how does he do it?
00:47:27Are you leaving?
00:47:28No, the arm is small.
00:47:30Put your elbow up there!
00:47:33Then I put it on my elbow,
00:47:35at the elbow,
00:47:36it held up a bit,
00:47:37I believe.
00:47:38It was right from there that she marched off
00:47:40and then it's over.
00:47:42and then it's over.
00:47:43As you have heard,
00:47:45Unfortunately,
00:47:46this attempt too
00:47:47by Donato,
00:47:49an attempt that,
00:47:51we can say,
00:47:53truly generous,
00:47:54he failed.
00:47:56Donato said clearly
00:47:58that the child,
00:47:59at least,
00:48:01at the moment in which
00:48:02he was close to him,
00:48:02he showed no signs of life,
00:48:04obviously we still hope
00:48:05that it may be
00:48:07a temporary fainting spell.
00:48:09I succeeded,
00:48:11they all did it to me
00:48:12a huge round of applause,
00:48:15they all have me
00:48:16applauded,
00:48:16all the people who were there,
00:48:18there were so many of them.
00:48:21Maybe you see it,
00:48:22a round of applause.
00:48:28This was the only one,
00:48:30it was the only one
00:48:31that I went down twice.
00:48:32We are at this point
00:48:33in the face of impotence,
00:48:35nor men,
00:48:36nor the machines
00:48:38they could do nothing.
00:48:41You have to leave it
00:48:41rest in peace
00:48:42for the child.
00:48:50Today
00:48:51see those pictures
00:48:52it's an image
00:48:53that creates pain
00:48:54to her too.
00:48:55Of course
00:48:56I wasn't yet
00:48:57in the body,
00:48:58but I was
00:48:59on the threshold
00:49:00of the degree
00:49:00and I remember too
00:49:02like all of us
00:49:02that time
00:49:04glued together
00:49:05in front of the television
00:49:06not to understand well
00:49:07what could happen
00:49:08and what then
00:49:09instead it happened
00:49:11sorry
00:49:11all of Italy.
00:49:13Images
00:49:14how to say
00:49:15which I then re-evaluated
00:49:17questioning myself
00:49:17if
00:49:17it could have gone
00:49:18otherwise.
00:49:20There was a lot
00:49:21disorganization
00:49:22but there was also
00:49:23so much courage,
00:49:25so much passion
00:49:27civil.
00:49:27Improvisation
00:49:28there was
00:49:29because it was an event
00:49:30new all in all
00:49:32which we were not
00:49:33get used to it
00:49:33and for which
00:49:35the equipment too
00:49:36they were not adequate.
00:49:38I have to say though
00:49:38that the mobilization
00:49:40it was also
00:49:42journalism
00:49:43and for the first time
00:49:44we find ourselves having to
00:49:45operate under the spotlight
00:49:47which have conditioned
00:49:48also a lot
00:49:49serenity
00:49:50of the operators.
00:49:51I have been
00:49:52in that field
00:49:53which is a handkerchief
00:49:53of earth
00:49:54where it is impossible
00:49:55imagine
00:49:56that in those circumstances
00:49:58there were even
00:49:5920,000 people
00:50:00that's for sure
00:50:01it's not that they helped
00:50:02your maneuvers.
00:50:04in any event
00:50:06today we learned
00:50:07that the procedures
00:50:07how to say
00:50:09the procedures
00:50:10of intervention
00:50:11are such
00:50:12to be able to keep
00:50:13distant
00:50:13the curious
00:50:14giving anyway
00:50:15the information
00:50:17and we did
00:50:18giant steps
00:50:19in communication
00:50:20Therefore
00:50:20Today
00:50:21we are able
00:50:22to be able to manage better
00:50:23of the interventions
00:50:25that I am
00:50:25very important
00:50:27and that people
00:50:28it's right
00:50:28that I know
00:50:29but not
00:50:30to be conditioned
00:50:31by weight
00:50:32of the cameras.
00:50:34without an engineer
00:50:35the story
00:50:35it's not done
00:50:36with the hands
00:50:38not even the news
00:50:38but
00:50:40we like to imagine
00:50:42that today
00:50:43if something happened
00:50:44of the genre
00:50:45Alfredino
00:50:46it would be drawn
00:50:47in jump.
00:50:49I don't know
00:50:50if we could
00:50:51to take it out
00:50:52Why
00:50:53the conditions
00:50:54of intervention
00:50:55they would still be
00:50:56difficult today
00:50:57even if today
00:50:57but we have
00:50:59methods
00:50:59to feed
00:51:01to observe
00:51:02to check
00:51:03the parameters
00:51:03vital
00:51:04to operate
00:51:05in safety
00:51:06also on the part
00:51:07of the operators
00:51:07Then
00:51:08the best thing
00:51:10is to operate
00:51:10in prevention
00:51:11in case
00:51:12of the wells
00:51:13it is particularly
00:51:14important
00:51:14cover them
00:51:15close
00:51:15report them
00:51:16and today
00:51:17it is also possible
00:51:18inspect them
00:51:19through
00:51:19the technologies
00:51:20with drones
00:51:21with the planes
00:51:22with helicopters
00:51:23with GPS
00:51:23you can have them
00:51:25mappings
00:51:26very precise
00:51:27of these anomalies
00:51:28on the territory
00:51:30but
00:51:32we can
00:51:33prevent
00:51:34that people
00:51:34let's end up there
00:51:35in
00:51:36above all
00:51:36children
00:51:37that I am
00:51:37very small
00:51:38and for that
00:51:39it's difficult
00:51:39operate
00:51:40within
00:51:41of cracks
00:51:42very small
00:51:43in the ground
00:51:43on the wells
00:51:44much wider
00:51:45I'm sure
00:51:46that we will know
00:51:46operate
00:51:47in a manner
00:51:48very positive
00:51:49with the techniques
00:51:50that we have
00:51:51at this moment
00:51:52available
00:51:54Here you are
00:51:54these 40 years
00:51:56they didn't pass
00:51:56in vain
00:51:57you today
00:51:57you are at the forefront
00:51:58in the world
00:52:00precisely because
00:52:01probably
00:52:02ours is a country
00:52:03of great fragilities
00:52:04and then the emergencies
00:52:06they also have you
00:52:07lent a hand
00:52:08to grow
00:52:09somehow
00:52:09unlike other states
00:52:11we have
00:52:12a national body
00:52:13other states
00:52:14they have instead
00:52:15regional bodies
00:52:16municipal bodies
00:52:17we instead
00:52:18we have an organization
00:52:19unique
00:52:20unique procedures
00:52:21single language
00:52:22unique glossary
00:52:23throughout Italy
00:52:23in addition
00:52:24we looked
00:52:26far ahead
00:52:26on technologies
00:52:28and so today
00:52:29we have
00:52:29how to say
00:52:30completed
00:52:31360 degrees
00:52:32the possibility
00:52:33to intervene
00:52:34that's why
00:52:35all over the world
00:52:36recognizes us
00:52:37this big one
00:52:38ductility
00:52:38on one side
00:52:39but also
00:52:39great organization
00:52:41on the other
00:52:41we are
00:52:42the component
00:52:42principal
00:52:43of civil protection
00:52:44for that part
00:52:45of intervention
00:52:46of rescue
00:52:47urgent technician
00:52:48that
00:52:49we do it
00:52:50how to say
00:52:51from lions
00:52:51let's do the part
00:52:52from lions
00:52:53because obviously
00:52:54we have
00:52:5535,000 people
00:52:56trained
00:52:57to every type
00:52:58of calamity
00:52:59thank you engineer
00:53:00Good work
00:53:01Thank you
00:53:02Thank you
00:53:02Good work
00:53:03to everyone
00:53:14I don't want to condemn
00:53:16absolutely
00:53:17Nobody
00:53:17I'm not here
00:53:18to say
00:53:19to judge
00:53:20the mistakes
00:53:21made by one
00:53:21or from the other
00:53:22Why
00:53:23I'm convinced
00:53:25that everyone
00:53:26whoever
00:53:26leaving
00:53:27from the boss
00:53:29of the firefighters
00:53:29from the driller
00:53:31from all those
00:53:32who worked
00:53:33to salvation
00:53:34of my son
00:53:34everyone gave
00:53:35the heart
00:53:36and the will
00:53:38Unfortunately
00:53:38Unfortunately
00:53:39but it wasn't there
00:53:40the organization
00:53:49public opinion
00:53:51it went against
00:53:52these people
00:53:53they told me
00:53:53that have been launched
00:53:54the stones
00:53:55of probers
00:53:56of shepherds
00:53:58with this
00:53:58you get nothing
00:54:00I want what I want
00:54:01is that things change
00:54:02that when
00:54:03need help
00:54:04there really is
00:54:05an efficient help
00:54:10I have been
00:54:11at Franca's house
00:54:12and Nando's
00:54:13the husband
00:54:15when I wrote
00:54:16the book
00:54:16and I had
00:54:17in that case
00:54:18the feeling
00:54:19that I had
00:54:19watching television
00:54:21Franca Rampi
00:54:22she was not a woman
00:54:23dressed in black
00:54:24who was crying
00:54:24in a corner
00:54:25she was an Italian woman
00:54:26an Italian mother
00:54:27combative
00:54:28that he was looking for
00:54:30to save
00:54:30his son
00:54:31who didn't yell
00:54:33who followed everything
00:54:35which stimulated
00:54:37to find solutions
00:54:38and then
00:54:39he endured
00:54:40death
00:54:41of that son
00:54:41with a sense
00:54:45of responsibility
00:54:46and with a
00:54:47awareness
00:54:48of pain
00:54:48which in my opinion
00:54:50they make it
00:54:50a symbolic woman
00:54:52of Italian women
00:54:53I went
00:54:54a little at home
00:54:55why here
00:54:56it was too much for me
00:54:57I was too anxious
00:54:58he couldn't do it
00:54:59resist
00:55:00because I saw
00:55:01that the work
00:55:02it didn't go forward
00:55:03and my son
00:55:03always down there
00:55:04the mother
00:55:05she was overwhelmed
00:55:06she too
00:55:07from this circus
00:55:08media
00:55:11it was a tsunami
00:55:12this family
00:55:14simple
00:55:14who had this house
00:55:15in the middle of a countryside
00:55:16barren
00:55:17reacted without
00:55:18have no model
00:55:19what he could do
00:55:21he was worried
00:55:22that there were many televisions
00:55:23that the world
00:55:24he had stopped
00:55:24and how should I introduce myself
00:55:27I can't go
00:55:39it's always been her
00:55:41the lioness
00:55:41let's say
00:55:42on the front line
00:55:43and behind
00:55:45it was mounted
00:55:47a castle
00:55:48of gossip
00:55:49and lies
00:55:50which lasted
00:55:50a very long time
00:55:53a very long time
00:55:54I remember that there was
00:55:56a controversy
00:55:57because she had changed
00:55:58dress
00:55:58or why once
00:56:00he had eaten
00:56:01an ice cream
00:56:02under
00:56:02I think this poor thing
00:56:04woman
00:56:04I struggled
00:56:06to shake off
00:56:07away
00:56:07all this stuff
00:56:08and sometimes
00:56:09I think about what would happen
00:56:11if today
00:56:13this happened
00:56:14under
00:56:14the eye
00:56:15of the court
00:56:17permanently
00:56:17reunited
00:56:18and social networks
00:56:20here is Alfredo's mother
00:56:21that has never gone away
00:56:23except for a brief moment
00:56:24yesterday afternoon
00:56:25because cultured
00:56:25from a slight collapse
00:56:26they told him
00:56:27all the colors
00:56:28to that woman
00:56:30it has been criticized
00:56:31in many ways
00:56:32stay there
00:56:33all night long
00:56:34but when do you get a puncture?
00:56:36but why not
00:56:36but it is possible
00:56:37what happened
00:56:38in a silkworm house
00:56:39but it is possible
00:56:39that you don't get there
00:56:41to this child
00:56:42the work is not progressing
00:56:43there is this rock
00:56:44that you can't do
00:56:45to drill
00:56:47you can't do it
00:56:49it seemed like you were
00:56:50a dream
00:56:51us
00:56:52it seemed like
00:56:52it wasn't true
00:56:54and this is success
00:56:55problematic
00:56:55because the mother
00:56:57you saw it like this
00:56:59he looked up into the air
00:57:00as if it weren't true
00:57:01the thing
00:57:07I really struggle
00:57:08to imagine
00:57:09a more marked life
00:57:11from pain
00:57:11and yet
00:57:13precisely
00:57:14having met her
00:57:15having known her well
00:57:16knowing how much
00:57:17of that pain
00:57:18she has
00:57:19poured out
00:57:20a social commitment
00:57:21and civil
00:57:21I have for her
00:57:22a very large one
00:57:23amity
00:57:30I want the sacrifice
00:57:31of my son
00:57:32it is not
00:57:32let it not be in vain
00:57:34I want it all
00:57:35his suffering
00:57:36the one he had
00:57:37and the one I had
00:57:38it serves some purpose
00:57:39to help
00:57:40other people
00:57:41that they should not have
00:57:42this suffering
00:57:43and then to create
00:57:44a center
00:57:45really adequate
00:57:46to solve
00:57:47rescue problems
00:57:48so I will put
00:57:50all my life
00:57:51all my strength
00:57:55to succeed
00:57:56to arrive
00:57:57to get this
00:57:58so I ask you
00:57:59Help me
00:58:00to arrive
00:58:01to this
00:58:03to this goal
00:58:04Here you are
00:58:05the only compensation
00:58:07asked
00:58:07and got it
00:58:08by Franca Rampi
00:58:09and with her
00:58:10from an entire nation
00:58:11astonished
00:58:12it will be the birth
00:58:13of civil protection
00:58:15with his network
00:58:16emergency response
00:58:17its procedures
00:58:18and his professionalism
00:58:20In short
00:58:20Alfredino
00:58:21it weighed
00:58:22more than 3,000 victims
00:58:23of the earthquake
00:58:24of Irpinia
00:58:24where too
00:58:25the necessity
00:58:26of a different one
00:58:27organization
00:58:28of relief
00:58:28had appeared
00:58:29six months ago
00:58:30in all its
00:58:31dramatic evidence
00:58:33let's give then
00:58:34good evening
00:58:35to engineer Curcio
00:58:36that for a few months
00:58:37he's back to the head
00:58:38of the department
00:58:39of civil protection
00:58:40and who hosts us
00:58:41here
00:58:41in the headquarters
00:58:42operational
00:58:43of Rome
00:58:45engineer
00:58:46she was 15 years old
00:58:47at that time
00:58:49listen
00:58:50the story
00:58:50it's not done
00:58:51with the nerds
00:58:51but today
00:58:52Alfredino
00:58:53if he were alive
00:58:53he would be 46 years old
00:58:56but today
00:58:57Alfredino
00:58:57he would be alive
00:58:58with this civil protection
00:58:59In short
00:58:59we would like to
00:59:00think so
00:59:01but we can't
00:59:03to give an answer
00:59:04Certain
00:59:05the system
00:59:05Today
00:59:06it is much more efficient
00:59:07just think
00:59:08to technology
00:59:09to communication
00:59:10to coordination
00:59:12I think that today
00:59:14Surely
00:59:14the setting
00:59:15of the intervention
00:59:16it would be different
00:59:17the conditions
00:59:19royals
00:59:20of knowledge
00:59:20of that
00:59:22situation
00:59:23Today
00:59:24we will have it
00:59:24Certainly
00:59:26in different forms
00:59:26it denies me
00:59:27if I'm wrong
00:59:27engineer
00:59:28probably
00:59:28a focal point
00:59:31of the extraordinary
00:59:33protection capacity
00:59:34Italian civilian
00:59:35consists
00:59:36in ductility
00:59:37of the system
00:59:37and that is
00:59:38to give different answers
00:59:40according to the circumstances
00:59:41in practice
00:59:42to adapt
00:59:43to the emergency
00:59:44in front of which
00:59:44is found
00:59:45even an emergency
00:59:45extraordinary
00:59:46never happened in the world
00:59:47yes the system
00:59:48it was born right
00:59:49with this logic
00:59:50that is, logic
00:59:51to be
00:59:52a system
00:59:53which takes into account
00:59:54of the different
00:59:55components
00:59:56because our country
00:59:57is characterized
00:59:58from components
00:59:59very diverse
01:00:00military components
01:00:01volunteering
01:00:02civil protection
01:00:03regionalization
01:00:05of many services
01:00:06we find
01:00:07the necessity
01:00:08of this coordination
01:00:09that is, to find
01:00:10that common language
01:00:11to get people talking
01:00:12different subjects
01:00:13and then
01:00:14being capable
01:00:16to face
01:00:16new challenges
01:00:18Perhaps
01:00:18sometimes
01:00:19hardly
01:00:20plannable
01:00:21that of the Costa Concordia
01:00:22a unique thing
01:00:23I would say on a global level
01:00:25where to put together
01:00:26the way of working
01:00:27civil protection
01:00:28that is the approach
01:00:29of the system
01:00:30civil protection
01:00:31where is the part
01:00:32scientific
01:00:32the operational part
01:00:33and the part
01:00:34of responsibilities
01:00:36and coordination
01:00:37here yes
01:00:38I think that
01:00:38one of the added values
01:00:39it's really true
01:00:40the methodology
01:00:41with which they approach
01:00:42the problems
01:00:43here she called him
01:00:44rightly system
01:00:45why civil protection
01:00:46it's a system
01:00:49she was born
01:00:50but on the trails
01:00:51of a failure
01:00:52we were all expecting it
01:00:53that from that darkness
01:00:55came out
01:00:56that child
01:00:57which instead
01:00:58it came out
01:00:58only
01:00:59almost a month later
01:01:00died
01:01:01but I
01:01:02I think that
01:01:03many of the excellences
01:01:05of our country
01:01:06maybe not only
01:01:07of our country
01:01:07they are born
01:01:08from failures
01:01:10on which however
01:01:11it can be done
01:01:11some reasoning
01:01:12the system
01:01:13civil protection
01:01:14as we know it
01:01:15us today
01:01:16it is the result of a journey
01:01:17of events
01:01:18of 66
01:01:18volunteering
01:01:20the mud giangio
01:01:21major earthquakes
01:01:23Friuli
01:01:24Then
01:01:24let's say
01:01:25the turning point
01:01:26as they say
01:01:27it was the earthquake
01:01:28of Irpinia
01:01:28at 80
01:01:29the important thing
01:01:30is that from the events
01:01:31that they put to us
01:01:32facing challenges
01:01:33always new
01:01:34ever-increasing
01:01:35we find
01:01:36the lucidity
01:01:37to collect
01:01:39of the elements
01:01:40to be made into
01:01:41positives
01:01:41here I think that
01:01:42the system
01:01:43civil protection
01:01:44tells
01:01:45this ability
01:01:47to leave
01:01:49from critical issues
01:01:50and transform them
01:01:51in positive activities
01:01:53let's go back for a moment
01:01:54in Vermicino
01:01:55engineer
01:01:56these days
01:01:58the lady
01:01:58Franca Rampi
01:01:59the mother
01:02:00by Alfredino
01:02:02at 40 years old
01:02:03away
01:02:03from the events
01:02:04he said that
01:02:04they have passed
01:02:06many years
01:02:06they were made
01:02:07giant steps
01:02:08thanks to civil protection
01:02:10but nevertheless
01:02:12in this country
01:02:12still missing
01:02:13the culture
01:02:14of prevention
01:02:15he's right
01:02:17it means in the meantime
01:02:18awareness
01:02:19of the risk
01:02:19we have to
01:02:20to appropriate
01:02:21of knowledge
01:02:22of the risks
01:02:23that daily
01:02:24we live
01:02:25in our beautiful country
01:02:26you have to work
01:02:27a lot about training
01:02:29a lot about awareness
01:02:30just like this
01:02:31the civil protection cycle
01:02:33that he imagined
01:02:33Zamberletti
01:02:34it will be complete
01:02:34Thanks Engineer Curcio
01:02:36good work to you
01:02:37and to the people
01:02:38who work together with her
01:02:39thank you director
01:02:40so
01:02:41at 7.20am
01:02:43of that Saturday
01:02:43June 13th
01:02:44is declared
01:02:45the presumed death
01:02:46by Alfredo Rampi
01:02:47but his body
01:02:49flooded with liquid nitrogen
01:02:50to freeze it
01:02:51and preserve it
01:02:52from the heat
01:02:53and from decomposition
01:02:54will be recovered
01:02:55almost a month later
01:02:57from a team
01:02:58of miners
01:02:58arrived from the Maremma
01:03:01it wasn't supposed to end like this
01:03:05let's see one of the doctors
01:03:06that they had to look for
01:03:07to establish
01:03:08if the little one
01:03:09Alfredo Rampi
01:03:10must be
01:03:11considered still alive
01:03:12there he is
01:03:13while listening
01:03:14in headphones
01:03:14sound signals
01:03:15that come from
01:03:16from the sound probe
01:03:17inserted into the artesian well
01:03:18very close to the child
01:03:19that already around 2
01:03:20he had no longer given
01:03:21signs of life
01:03:22eloquent
01:03:23was
01:03:24more than other words
01:03:25the gesture
01:03:26of the doctor
01:03:30and then
01:03:31and then
01:03:32in the morning
01:03:33when it was said
01:03:34Enough
01:03:35what are we doing?
01:03:37the magistrate
01:03:38he ordered
01:03:39to stabilize
01:03:39the situation
01:03:40and was entered
01:03:42in the well
01:03:43of nitrogen
01:03:44which has frozen
01:03:45All
01:03:46which has stabilized
01:03:47All
01:03:47a single block
01:03:49of ice
01:03:55there was
01:03:56a silence
01:03:56tombstone
01:03:57own
01:04:00the crying
01:04:01of the mother
01:04:01he felt
01:04:02in silence
01:04:03total
01:04:04what I remember
01:04:06I
01:04:06and then
01:04:07was put
01:04:08a lid
01:04:09above the well
01:04:10and well
01:04:11it wasn't easy
01:04:12tell that moment
01:04:13for sure
01:04:13it wasn't easy
01:04:16the drills
01:04:18they are still
01:04:18it was covered
01:04:19at the well
01:04:20with some tables
01:04:20both
01:04:21the wells
01:04:21they were covered
01:04:22with some tables
01:04:23and we succeeded
01:04:23finally
01:04:24to contain
01:04:25the public
01:04:26that was arriving
01:04:27numerous
01:04:27to see
01:04:28the curious
01:04:28etc.
01:04:29they introduced themselves
01:04:30other volunteers
01:04:32to offer oneself
01:04:34to go down further
01:04:36it wasn't the case
01:04:38around noon
01:04:40he introduced himself
01:04:40again
01:04:41around the well
01:04:42the French diver
01:04:43Maiol
01:04:43he wasn't alone
01:04:45as we see
01:04:45on the shoulders
01:04:46had Richard
01:04:47Alfredo's little brother
01:04:49Maiol
01:04:50in dramatic hours
01:04:51for the rescue
01:04:52by Alfredo Ranti
01:04:53had proposed
01:04:54to bring down
01:04:55one of his monkeys
01:04:55trained
01:04:59it was very difficult
01:05:00take it out
01:05:03and there was a kind
01:05:04of demonstration
01:05:05with the banner
01:05:06give us back to the fradino
01:05:07as if someone
01:05:09had been interested
01:05:10to keep the body there
01:05:11eh but why
01:05:11they don't want anyone to find out
01:05:13That
01:05:13eh but why
01:05:13they pass underneath us
01:05:14the evidence
01:05:15That
01:05:15eh but why
01:05:16who knows what
01:05:16and they began
01:05:18even certain poisons
01:05:19which concerned
01:05:20the management
01:05:21of recovery
01:05:22and there is
01:05:22it was a precaution
01:05:23of the magistrate
01:05:25then he was pulled out
01:05:2628 days later
01:05:29we thought about the miners
01:05:30a team was thought of
01:05:32of miners
01:05:32equipped
01:05:33a large company
01:05:35because there was
01:05:36to go
01:05:36at 60
01:05:3770
01:05:3780 meters
01:05:38she was called
01:05:39the Solmine
01:05:40from Gavorrano
01:05:42Grosseto area
01:05:45of great professionals
01:05:47which usually
01:05:48they don't go
01:05:49underground
01:05:49to search
01:05:50to recover the bodies
01:05:51I have to say
01:05:52they did a job
01:05:52infinitely important
01:05:54for them
01:05:55for the family
01:05:57for the country
01:05:58why this country
01:05:59he can't anymore
01:06:00afford
01:06:01to waste time
01:06:0740 years ago
01:06:08I was a miner
01:06:08and I was called
01:06:11for recovery
01:06:12they told me
01:06:12look at that
01:06:13this work
01:06:14it's a job
01:06:16extremely
01:06:17let's say
01:06:19particular
01:06:20for which
01:06:21only the miners
01:06:22they can do
01:06:23so she has to do it
01:06:28June 22nd
01:06:30I went
01:06:31in Vermicino
01:06:32the biggest problem
01:06:33it was the narrowness
01:06:35of the well
01:06:36where we had to get off
01:06:37with the nerd
01:06:38we had to do
01:06:39all operations
01:06:40of excavation
01:06:40and then the difficulty
01:06:43was not being able to use
01:06:44explosives
01:06:46we had to work
01:06:46everything with demolition hammer
01:06:48and then
01:06:49this type of operations
01:06:51it also takes time
01:06:52in essence
01:06:53no mistakes could be made
01:07:00that's how we started
01:07:02to do the operations
01:07:04always in fear
01:07:07that the child
01:07:07could fall
01:07:09down in the water
01:07:09because below
01:07:10theoretically
01:07:11there had to be water
01:07:12so we did
01:07:13this vertical well
01:07:14at 15 meters
01:07:16away
01:07:17from the well
01:07:18where he had fallen
01:07:19the child
01:07:20with base
01:07:2066 meters
01:07:22the head
01:07:22it was 64 meters
01:07:28day 10
01:07:30July 10th
01:07:32afternoon
01:07:33we crossed
01:07:34the well
01:07:34the water
01:07:35we didn't find it
01:07:36and we were sure
01:07:37so that the child
01:07:38it was on
01:07:39the whole part
01:07:40around the well
01:07:41it was frozen
01:07:42it was a stick
01:07:43of soil
01:07:44frozen
01:07:45frozen land
01:07:46it took
01:07:47all night long
01:07:47to break
01:07:48this stick
01:07:50and take it off
01:07:52from the rock
01:07:53in essence
01:07:53the child
01:07:54he was bent
01:07:57you could see it
01:07:59it came out
01:07:59a little red shirt
01:08:02I remember it very well
01:08:06it ended like this
01:08:07the tragic adventure
01:08:08of the little one
01:08:09Alfredo Rampi
01:08:10his body
01:08:11trapped by the mud
01:08:12and from the ice
01:08:13more than 60 meters
01:08:14it was recovered
01:08:15in the early hours
01:08:15in the afternoon
01:08:16from the miners
01:08:17Maremma people
01:08:18until the last moment
01:08:19it was feared
01:08:20that the body
01:08:20could slip again
01:08:21up to 80 meters
01:08:22in the water
01:08:23but at least for once
01:08:25throughout the whole affair
01:08:26there was no
01:08:26the unexpected
01:08:27to further complicate matters
01:08:28the operations
01:08:29of the rescuers
01:08:39Vermicino
01:08:40it's the drama
01:08:40of a nation
01:08:41whole
01:08:42emotionally involved
01:08:43How come
01:08:44before then
01:08:45ready to encourage
01:08:46the efforts
01:08:47of the rescuers
01:08:47but also to insult
01:08:49and to slander
01:08:50I'm not alone
01:08:51the firefighters
01:08:52and the miners
01:08:53to experiment
01:08:54on your own skin
01:08:55anger
01:08:56and the disappointment
01:08:57even the mother
01:08:58by Alfredino
01:08:59will try
01:08:59what can they do
01:09:00the haters
01:09:01from yesterday
01:09:02and today
01:09:03but today
01:09:04what would they be like
01:09:04those 60 hours
01:09:06scanned
01:09:06from the tam tam
01:09:07of social media
01:09:08from selfies
01:09:09from advice
01:09:10of millions of Italians
01:09:11convinced that they know
01:09:13the right solution
01:09:14to reach
01:09:14that child
01:09:15stuck
01:09:16in a black hole
01:09:17who today
01:09:18or what
01:09:20would be able to stop
01:09:21that emotional wave
01:09:22which is expanding
01:09:23more and more
01:09:24until it overwhelms
01:09:25the family
01:09:26and the car
01:09:27of the rescue
01:09:28honestly
01:09:29I do not know
01:09:30but only
01:09:31think about it
01:09:32it's scary
01:09:33Until we meet again
01:09:41but that
01:09:42that there was
01:09:43must see
01:09:43to know
01:09:44it's a bit of everything
01:09:46what we wanted to see
01:09:47we wanted to see
01:09:48a fact of life
01:09:50and we saw
01:09:51a fact of death
01:09:54we gave up
01:09:55we will ask ourselves
01:09:57long
01:09:57soon
01:09:58what was it for?
01:09:59all this
01:10:01What
01:10:02we wanted
01:10:02forget
01:10:03What
01:10:04we will have to
01:10:04remember
01:10:05What
01:10:06we will have to love
01:10:07What
01:10:07we must hate
01:10:08was
01:10:09the recording
01:10:10of a defeat
01:10:12Unfortunately
01:10:1260 hours
01:10:14of struggle
01:10:15in vain
01:10:16by Alfredo Rampi
01:10:17I think that
01:10:18to remind us
01:10:19of life
01:10:20that we wanted
01:10:20look for
01:10:20all the way
01:10:21it's better to wait
01:10:22that they come back up
01:10:23Tullio
01:10:25here they are again
01:10:26a few meters
01:10:27Maurizio
01:10:28and Tullio and Maurizio
01:10:30they are
01:10:31remaining
01:10:32I see the hooks
01:10:33they are coming out
01:10:38and life goes on
01:10:40it's 7 o'clock
01:10:4260 hours
01:10:43have passed
01:10:44from the fall
01:10:44by Alfredo Rampi
01:10:45let's end here
01:10:46this broadcast
01:10:47for a supplement
01:10:48of information
01:10:49we'll talk again
01:10:50at 10
01:10:54thank you all
01:10:55thank you all
01:10:56Thank you all.
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