Nel corso della puntata d'esordio di "Linea diretta - Trenta minuti dentro la cronaca", lo storico programma condotto da Enzo Biagi, Ali Ağca, il terrorista turco che ha attentato alla vita di Giovanni Paolo II, accetta di raccontare per la prima volta la sua storia davanti alle telecamere. "Linea diretta" era il programma di approfondimento quotidiano del TG1 che dal lunedì al venerdì alle ore 23 raccontava "lo spettacolo della realtà" incentrato su un fatto di cronaca di stretta attualità indagandone in profondità gli aspetti problematici grazie ad Enzo Biagi nelle vesti dello scrupoloso cronista con le doti di un grande narratore.
Operazione Papa | 13 maggio 1981 [Doc 2026] HQ
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00:03Music
00:41Good evening, for the first time the Turkish terrorist who attempted to assassinate John Paul II
00:47he agreed to tell his story in front of the cameras.
00:51At this time the three largest American television networks, CBS, NBC and ABC,
00:57They record our meeting with Ali Aqjah to broadcast via satellite in their first newscast.
01:04At the same time, RAI is connected to Aerovisione.
01:09The interview with Aqjah, which I conducted in collaboration with Paolo Graldi,
01:14It took place in Rebibbia prison and lasted the actual time of the recording.
01:20Two questions and their answers have been removed by the judicial authority
01:25Because Aqjah will face trial again on May 27, he has already been sentenced to life imprisonment.
01:33The first question is, a man takes a revolver and goes to shoot another man on his own
01:40of someone,
01:41What is an idealist?
01:43I don't have to quote the answer.
01:45Aqjah has already responded in a video document in which the terrorist expressed one of his many versions.
01:55Were the Bulgarians the ones who sent you to Italy?
01:58Yes, I said Bulgarians.
02:00Bulgari, are you cooperating with justice now?
02:03Yes, I am collaborating with justice.
02:08I said an attack on the Pope was carried out by the Bulgarian secret services.
02:16With Antonov.
02:17With Antonov.
02:21Second question.
02:23Who was involved in the conspiracy to kill the Pope?
02:26We have taken the following response from a public document of the interrogation of the investigating judge Ilario Martella.
02:32I would like to point out that in the early months of 1978 I went to Latakia in Syria on the coast
02:40where I was trained by some Bulgarian experts who were supervised by other Bulgarians and East Germans.
02:47This training consisted of learning, both from a theoretical and practical perspective,
02:52the use of weapons, explosives, notions of the Cold War,
02:56on the implementation of coups d'état and the history of revolutions.
02:59Not only European terrorists but also terrorists from other parts of the world had gathered in this location.
03:12May 13, 1981 is a Wednesday.
03:15At the Isa guesthouse near St. Peter's Square,
03:18A certain Faruq Kozgun, enrolled at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, has been residing here for two days.
03:24It is the convenient name of Ali Agja.
03:26The Pope's public audience is scheduled for that day in St. Peter's Square.
03:30Agja and her accomplice Oral Celik arrive at the scene of the attack well in advance.
03:37According to Agja, two officials from the Bulgarian embassy, Antonov and Ayazov, brought him to the scene.
03:44Agja and Celik have pistols and hand grenades to use to make their escape route.
03:49A few minutes after 5pm, the Pope begins his tour.
03:53Agja poses as a tourist, pretending to take photographs.
03:56At 5.21pm he drops the camera on the ground.
04:00He pulls out the 9mm Brown and fires four shots.
04:05The Pope was wounded in the abdomen, right arm and left hand.
04:10Mrs. Agja, what do you feel when you read in the newspapers that call you a killer?
04:15I'm not a killer.
04:18At the evening run I said that morale is not a preconceived concept, but a product of human conditions,
04:33social and environmental.
04:36The Synod of Brazilian Bishops said that those who are hungry have the right to steal.
04:47A resigning minister of dictator Pinochet said that where there is hunger, anything is possible.
04:59What are they saying about all this in Latin America, in the Middle East?
05:08In Western civilization they only talk about killers.
05:15I'm not a killer.
05:18I don't want to pass on my individual responsibility to others.
05:27Do you think anyone is responsible for your condition?
05:30No, no, no.
05:32There are reciprocal conditions that influence man and society.
05:41When an individual commits a crime he is punishable.
05:49And when humanity has created these inhumane conditions, this too is condemnable.
06:04We have made incredible material progress, but there is incredible spiritual degradation in the world.
06:19There are terrible evils in the world.
06:23She almost looks like an apostle.
06:25She belonged to a Nazi-style organization called the...
06:31He wasn't a Nazi.
06:32Grey Wolves was a nationalist organization.
06:37What were the dangers you feared most?
06:40Like every man he has fear or courage.
06:46What is he afraid of?
06:56How do I believe?
06:57Let's put it this way.
06:58In 1979, journalist Ipeci was killed in Istanbul.
07:04Some say that the attempted assassination of the Pope and this murder have some points in common.
07:09Is she involved?
07:10I have no involvement in any murder in any country.
07:19Why was he sentenced to death in Türkiye?
07:23This was a pre-arranged political amount.
07:33I played as if I had to, I'd say.
07:41As it is an obligation.
07:42How did he get out of Turkish prison?
07:50I escaped.
07:53And exactly how did he escape?
07:54Isn't it so convenient to get out of prison?
07:57Well, let's say, with the complicity of the Turkish power.
08:07Let's listen to the journalist Orsan Oiman, a workmate of Addi Ipeci, whose murder Liaggia has been accused of and
08:16for this he also sentenced to death.
08:18Then the prison doors opened and he was able to leave.
08:26I spoke to several of his childhood friends, from the same region, about the disease, who claimed it was a
08:33intelligent boy and he had always been interested in this kind of activity, in spy novels, like the novels of
08:41Maurice West, by Le Carré.
08:44Because these things have always interested him, as well as cases of espionage and secret services.
08:53He invented them himself and then believed in them.
08:58And he has always been inclined towards terrorism.
09:01For example, he read about Carlos' life, admired him a lot, and always talked about him with his friends.
09:09In short, therefore, he can be defined as a product of the right-wing student terrorist environment.
09:19In your opinion, is it more correct to define him as a mythomaniac or a murderer?
09:25You can say both.
09:28His childhood friends talk about his mythomaniac characteristics.
09:34And it shows in his statements too.
09:39Which he did both during the discussions with Turkish lawyers and in Rome.
09:45He is a person who always tells a half-truth.
09:50A half-truth tied to imagination and with a constantly changing scenario.
09:58This testimony makes Ali's ambiguity even more evident.
10:09Who, in your opinion, is a terrorist?
10:14A terrorist cannot be defined in a few sentences.
10:23The world cannot define who is a terrorist.
10:28What is international terrorism?
10:31The world is unable to define it.
10:36Westerners define them as criminals who use ideology as a mask.
10:48Soviets call Afghan terrorists and Americans even call Palestinians fighting terrorists.
11:02How do you remember the day he shot the Pope?
11:05I remember with perfect clarity.
11:08Will you tell me then?
11:11Well, if you think so, of course.
11:14Yes.
11:15I ask questions and you are free to answer if you deem it appropriate.
11:19I remember that day with perfect clarity.
11:25What did he do?
11:27Well, I went to shoot.
11:31How did an experienced marksman like you miss your target from five meters?
11:38Well, it was a bit of a mess, let's say.
11:43Was he excited then?
11:44No, I wasn't very excited.
11:47Who was the Pope for you?
11:49A goal?
11:51A man?
11:52The representative of a major religion?
11:55No, it was...
11:56An enemy to defeat?
11:57No, no, no, he was the embodiment of imperialism.
12:01About capitalism, all that.
12:04Did she fight for money or for an ideal?
12:07I have lived in poverty all my life.
12:12Everyone knows it.
12:13His parents, if I'm not mistaken, are poor farmers?
12:16Well, he did.
12:18Am I?
12:19Yes, again.
12:20What future did they dream of for her?
12:22What did they want her to become?
12:24They wanted to give me a job so they could provide them with bread.
12:33This is the environment in which Ali Agja grew up.
12:39Let's listen to his mother's testimony.
12:56He was a good boy.
12:58At the age of eight, when his father died, he began working as a coffee boy
13:02and as a transporter of water and sand.
13:06Yet he was the best at school.
13:08He had fainting spells until he was ten years old.
13:10As a child he had hit his head, then he had been a nervous, withdrawn person.
13:15He had no girlfriends, but he studied hard.
13:18I never knew of his connections with politics.
13:21Even today I don't know whether he was a fascist or a communist.
13:23I hope neither.
13:26In both Ankara and Istanbul he lived in a university hostel.
13:30I gave him some money.
13:32I receive a pension of 32,000 Turkish lira every three months from the state.
13:36That's enough to support everyone.
13:41At times it almost seems as if Ali Agja is delirious.
13:51You described yourself, I read, as an extraordinary character.
13:55Yes.
13:56In what sense? How is she exceptional?
13:58I still define myself as an extraordinary character.
14:04But why? What does this extraordinary virtue consist of?
14:08In this quality so...
14:10It's not a question of quality or price, it's not a question of that.
14:18And what's the problem?
14:20In what way is she extraordinary?
14:24I can't explain it.
14:26You can't explain it.
14:27Besides the Pope, was there anyone else you had to shoot?
14:31No, I said to throw off the investigation.
14:35I'm not going to shoot anyone.
14:40I left terrorism.
14:43I firmly condemn all violence and terrorism.
14:47Excuse me, so who are you?
14:50I am Mehmet Aliagia, a Turk, a terrorist, I always define myself.
14:57They describe you as a right-wing man, is that true?
15:00But I looked like a right-wing man.
15:07I'm not a right-wing man, but I looked like a right-wing man.
15:13You're not a right-wing man, then?
15:18But I was trained to destabilize Turkish democracy.
15:30When I didn't have the chance to stay in my country anymore,
15:39I was assigned to other matters in the West.
15:48What was his life like as a terrorist?
15:50How did he spend his days?
15:52My life as a terrorist was exemplary.
15:58I've always had excellent relationships with others, with my friends, and even with myself.
16:11When you met the Pope in prison, what did you feel?
16:15My meeting with the Pope will remain as the most beautiful, significant moment, and memory of my life.
16:37I am very grateful to the Pope, I see him as the symbol of humanity,
16:53but I don't share his Christian mentality.
17:03Is this your right?
17:05Yes.
17:05Can I know, if I'm not being too discreet, what you said to each other?
17:10What did the Pope tell you that you remember?
17:14We only talked about religion.
17:19Only.
17:20Only religion.
17:22Have you heard about the Emanuela Orlandi case?
17:25Yes, I followed the Orlandi case, which is very strange.
17:38The world is also following the Orlandi case.
17:47Perhaps many know, but intellectual courage is lacking in the West.
17:58What's happening in these countries?
18:01Nobody has the courage to say.
18:03Excuse me.
18:04That's fine, I don't have the courage to say it either.
18:05Do you have the courage to say that your life can be exchanged for that of Emanuela Orlandi?
18:10Then show some initiative.
18:15I would like Emanuela Orlandi to be released without any preconditions.
18:29I make this appeal to the kidnappers, who are not far away.
18:39How can he say that?
18:42I would like to obtain my freedom from the Italian state for humanitarian reasons.
18:56But do you believe that Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped by her family?
19:00Is she alive or not?
19:02Let's get down to great ideals.
19:06Emanuela Orlandi is alive and well, not in danger.
19:12Perhaps...
19:13This seems humane to you, you ask the Italian state to show humanity towards you.
19:17She says Emanuela Orlandi is alive...
19:20She must be freed.
19:22And what does he base these claims on?
19:27I do this according to some logical deductions.
19:33And he doesn't do it because he knows something firsthand?
19:37No, no, no.
19:39How does your day go in here?
19:41I am treated like any other terrorist.
19:57My day is spent reading and watching a bit of television.
20:08I play sports all day.
20:11What sport does he play?
20:13I see he's wearing the same shoes...
20:15Are they the same as that day?
20:17Well, it's been the same thing for four years.
20:21I have no visitor, I have no...
20:24Is it true that many people write them?
20:26Many people?
20:28No, I receive very few letters.
20:31Ah, a few letters.
20:32How do you imagine your life outside of here?
20:34What if she happened to go out?
20:42If I went out, what would I do?
20:45Yes, what would he do?
21:09Yes, I dream like all men.
21:18What are you dreaming about?
21:21Dream...
21:22More frequently, let's say.
21:23No, no, the things, let's say, banal.
21:29I am an expert, I would almost say, in psychology and sociology.
21:44And also a little bit about the use of weapons.
21:47Of the use of weapons, of course.
21:49But the dream is not an important fact.
21:53What risks would you run if you left here?
21:58Who could harm her if she got out?
22:01But I'm not taking any risks.
22:04Neither now nor after freedom, take risks.
22:08I do not believe.
22:08And let me take a step back.
22:12Why was the Orlandi girl kidnapped?
22:16She knows many things.
22:18But I...
22:22I repeat...
22:27I hope that the Orlandi case will be concluded happily for everyone.
22:38But why was she kidnapped?
22:42She was kidnapped, of course, for my freedom.
22:50But it was, unfortunately, an unintelligent action.
22:57So it didn't work out.
23:00Who hates the most in the world?
23:02Is there anyone she hates?
23:05I don't know what hate is.
23:13Do you know what love is?
23:15Love?
23:16Yes.
23:18Love is the truth.
23:22A fruit of the human brain.
23:28Those who preach love with their hearts
23:33they are responsible
23:36partially
23:39of today's human degradation.
23:45Do you present yourself as a missionary now?
23:48Yes, I introduce myself
23:53like a missionary.
23:56The world doesn't have much time,
24:00me neither.
24:02There is a punishment that she thinks is fair
24:04for what he did?
24:05If you were your own judge,
24:07what would he condemn himself to?
24:09I?
24:12I would condemn myself
24:17to the death penalty
24:19with the whole world.
24:23How would you like it?
24:25With the whole world?
24:26Yes, with the whole world.
24:28Everyone should be convicted
24:29to the death penalty?
24:32Well, with the whole world that...
24:34What does it mean?
24:37In the sense
24:41politician, I say.
24:43But she didn't just make political gestures.
24:45She used guns.
24:49I couldn't
24:53express myself
24:56in no other way.
24:58There was no possibility.
25:00There is a character in the story
25:01that she admires?
25:02Do I admire?
25:03Yes.
25:05A character from the story?
25:08Even more characters in the story.
25:15I admire
25:19the prophet
25:21but little man.
25:24And coming further down
25:25to people of size
25:26more currents,
25:28some soldiers,
25:29some...
25:30But I...
25:30Ninth.
25:31I love almost all men.
25:34Admiration is another thing.
25:36Who would you like to be like?
25:39I would like to be like
25:40always to myself.
25:43Are you satisfied?
25:44I am...
25:44Satisfied.
25:46I'm happy
25:47to be me metalling.
25:50As people would like
25:52would you judge him?
25:53How would you like to be remembered?
25:55I don't
25:58I would like to influence
26:00the judgment
26:01of no one.
26:03Everyone
26:03they must
26:04freely
26:06judge me.
26:07as
26:09they see,
26:10as
26:13they can
26:15squeeze
26:16their judgments
26:17about me
26:17as they wish.
26:18Listen,
26:19she said that
26:19Emanuele Orlandi
26:20she was kidnapped for her.
26:22Then you
26:23has a chance
26:24which I consider
26:26almost unrepeatable.
26:28Say something
26:29to those who kidnapped her
26:31to bring back peace
26:32in a family
26:33unfortunate
26:34that for a year
26:35suffers
26:36and they are all
26:38innocent.
26:38The girl,
26:39his father,
26:40his mother.
26:42If she wants
26:43understanding
26:43of the others
26:44do something
26:45for these people.
26:47Do it.
26:47but look
26:50as I said
26:52the problem
26:54must not
26:57to be
26:58lowered
27:00at the level
27:01family.
27:02in the middle of
27:03there is
27:07the future
27:08of many nations,
27:10many peoples.
27:11We can't
27:13to lower.
27:15But there is a life.
27:16Then you
27:17in all this time
27:18he didn't understand anything.
27:19There is a life.
27:21Excuse me.
27:23A Girl's Life
27:24it doesn't seem right to you
27:25a sufficient argument.
27:26But in a nation
27:27in the peoples
27:28There are
27:28hundreds
27:30and millions
27:30of life.
27:32But that would be enough
27:33save one
27:34to be
27:35on par with God
27:36she who believes
27:37in Mahomet.
27:39But look
27:40as I said
27:41the case
27:42Orlandi
27:43absolutely
27:44It's no mystery.
27:47It is not
27:47absolutely
27:48a mystery.
27:50Almost all
27:50they know
27:51what's happening.
27:53We don't know
27:54Nothing
27:54and she knows it
27:55which is in here.
27:57Anyway
27:57Thank you.
27:59Thanks also
28:00she.
28:02June 22nd
28:031983
28:05disappears
28:05mysteriously
28:06Emanuela
28:07Orlandi
28:07a girl
28:0815 years old
28:09daughter of a
28:10Vatican employee.
28:12A few days
28:13after they arrive
28:13the first
28:14signals
28:15by
28:15of the kidnappers.
28:17They introduce themselves
28:17as a front
28:18of liberation
28:18anti-Christian
28:19turkesh.
28:20They propose
28:21a barter
28:21between the attacker
28:23and the young girl.
28:24The last message
28:25It's November 22nd
28:26last.
28:27they provide
28:28directions
28:29that the family
28:30considers valid
28:30and they support
28:31that Emanuela
28:32she's still alive
28:33is found
28:34in Costa Rica
28:35will be returned
28:36only
28:36if Ali
28:37he will be released.
28:39Hercules
28:40Orlandi
28:41for the first time
28:42he accepted
28:43to explain
28:44the dramatic
28:45situation
28:45where he lives
28:46his family.
28:54Good evening
28:55Mr. Orlandi
28:56Good evening
28:56doctor
28:56I know that she
28:57he's very tense
28:59and I understand her
29:00Very well
29:01it's the first time
29:02after all
29:02that she speaks
29:03in public
29:04No?
29:04Yes doctor
29:05She knows the questions
29:07that I mean
29:07do them?
29:08Yes I know her
29:09And I believe
29:10that she
29:10also have
29:10prepared
29:11his answers
29:12I wish she would
29:13he felt
29:15as much as possible
29:16how to say
29:18at ease
29:19Why
29:20I'm here
29:21to give her a hand
29:23I can't do it
29:24nothing morally
29:26but it seems to me
29:27important
29:28that she can say
29:29what's inside
29:30don't worry
29:31if he has to read
29:32if he has any papers
29:33in front of
29:34it's a conversation
29:35that we do
29:37how is it possible
29:39calmly
29:40Here you are
29:42Mr. Orlandi
29:43because with the family
29:44Gregory
29:45you have decided
29:46only now
29:47to offer a bounty
29:48of 250 million
29:50which will provide you with
29:51some useful information
29:52on yours
29:53two girls
29:54disappeared
29:56But the answer
29:57it's obvious
29:58why the past months
30:00there are many
30:01long
30:03and we don't want to
30:04put
30:04or put nothing
30:05to find again
30:06our two girls
30:08She doesn't believe
30:10that there may be
30:10some truth
30:11in the words
30:12of Agja
30:13in what he
30:14he said
30:15about Emanuela
30:16I do not know
30:16as I repeat
30:17he is a guy
30:18who says he is
30:20or not to be
30:21it is difficult to understand
30:23And why would he talk?
30:25of this young woman
30:26woman
30:27of which
30:28Like this
30:29he presumably
30:30he shouldn't have
30:31know nothing
30:34Unfortunately these
30:35they are things
30:36that only he knows
30:38it's not a reason
30:39of comfort
30:40think
30:40that there may be
30:42Really
30:42some relationship
30:43between this individual
30:45that is, that it can be
30:46a thread
30:47that binds you
30:48to your girlfriend
30:50But one to be
30:51certain
30:51which is tied
30:52to that story
30:53there
30:54and I believe
30:54which would increase
30:56hope
30:58You believe
30:59that there is someone
31:00that really
31:01can put
31:02on the same level
31:04two freedoms
31:05freedom
31:06of the attacker
31:07and freedom
31:08of the innocent
31:09Emanuela?
31:12Oh but a lot
31:13probably
31:14who is the caporepriso
31:15Emanuela
31:16if he took it
31:17for that purpose
31:18and puts it
31:19in parity
31:19on the plate
31:20of the scales
31:21In these days
31:23in these months
31:23so desperate
31:24for the rest of you
31:25what is the thing
31:26that you feel
31:27moreover
31:28the one that afflicts you
31:29moreover?
31:31Uncertainty?
31:32Beyond the uncertainty
31:34is not having
31:34our daughter at home
31:39I see others
31:40four children
31:42but the house is empty
31:43without
31:43when one is missing
31:49The parents
31:51by Emanuela
31:52Orlandi
31:53and Mirella's
31:54Gregory
31:54another young woman
31:55disappearance
31:56they ask
31:57that anyone
31:58have news
31:59live
31:59or indirect
32:00of their daughters
32:01telephones
32:02to this number
32:0306
32:0536
32:0603
32:09807
32:10We will be happy
32:11if this program
32:13will contribute
32:14somehow
32:14to clarify
32:15destiny
32:16of two creatures
32:17innocent
32:23moreover
32:25with his
32:26the soul
32:27and more
32:30to everyone
32:47moreover
32:48if
32:51Every evening, Linea Diretta will give you a preview of the front pages of the newspapers you'll find on newsstands the following morning.
32:58That is, we will give you an overview of the news of the day.
33:01Gradually, news from all over Italy will appear on the TV screen, including those from the big cities and those from the regions.
33:08The first pages will not always be complete, given the time, but you will be given the opportunity to have an image
33:15sufficiently clear of the events.
33:18Here's the preview for tomorrow.
33:20The newspaper. This afternoon is the long-awaited summit of the majority leaders.
33:26The five examine their consciences on the great issues of discord.
33:29A dead man among us.
33:31The Senate approved the same text that the Chamber had approved.
33:36The TV decree passes.
33:38For the Soviets, the borders of Europe created 40 years ago are eternal.
33:43Do not touch Gialta, warns the USSR.
33:46Storm in monarchist circles after the interview with Domenica Inn.
33:50Titti has reopened the controversy over the king's successor.
33:55The day.
33:57This afternoon the secretaries of the five parties that make up the government majority
34:02they address the most burning issues of current economic and political affairs.
34:05All knots in the comb.
34:08Soccer.
34:09Friendly match in Dublin at 8.25pm.
34:11Italy is testing the old people against the Air.
34:15Andreatta.
34:16Don't delude yourself.
34:17We are not out of the tunnel.
34:20The maxi-trial of the new organized Camorra has begun in Naples.
34:2488 defendants are absent.
34:26The informers are taking aim at Enzo Tortora.
34:33The messenger.
34:34The majority leadership met today.
34:37The program is decided until the administrative elections.
34:41Agrigento.
34:42Drug racket.
34:43She is 27 years old.
34:45Pregnant.
34:45Burned alive.
34:46He was shot dead in a quarry.
34:50House.
34:51The decree law today.
34:53Still doubts about the environmental fee, taxes, and building plan.
34:56London negotiates with Madrid.
34:59Gibraltar.
35:00After 16 years the border reopens.
35:05Read the Republic.
35:07The Republic.
35:10Following the attack in Athens, with dozens of US soldiers injured, Europe is on alert.
35:16Hunt terrorists in Greece and Germany.
35:18Today the summit between Cole and Fabius.
35:23After the purchase of De Benedetti.
35:25Buitoni prices skyrocket on the stock market.
35:29Celebrating drivers looking for the cheapest gas station.
35:33Gasoline is priced freely.
35:35Price war in France.
35:38The press.
35:39Maxi trials.
35:41Can justice be done?
35:42Code in a cage.
35:43The government, with the help of the MSI, obtains a vote of confidence on the TV decree.
35:49Naples.
35:50First hearing in the proceedings against 251 defendants.
35:54From the Camorristi, insults and threats.
35:56A Cole-Fabius summit to defeat the Europe of terror together.
36:02Dollar in 1971.
36:08From time to time we will connect with the cameras or the phone,
36:12with characters who take centre stage in the news as protagonists or witnesses.
36:17Unfortunately, Italy is at the center of attention because it has experienced the sad phenomenon of terrorism.
36:23We invited the Minister of the Interior, the Honorable Oscar Luigi Scalfaro, to our office in Rome.
36:29Mr. Minister, in recent days three serious terrorist attacks have occurred in France, Germany, and Greece.
36:40What do you think of this sudden outbreak of violence and political assassination?
36:48Personally, I don't think it's a sudden occurrence.
36:54From the very first moments of my responsibility in this Ministry, exactly a year and a half ago,
37:02I pointed out that the terrorist phenomenon was not over.
37:07Then there were various questions to find out what data I had.
37:12I had the data of logic.
37:14A disease of this gravity, of this heaviness, does not go away, despite the great successes that the State had had,
37:25by flipping a switch.
37:27Then they sold a series of facts.
37:30She remembers the killing of the American diplomat in Rome,
37:35a series of arrests.
37:37It hasn't been long since some arrests in Tuscany showed us the connection
37:44between Italian terrorists and French terrorists.
37:48We received further data from other areas of Italy.
37:52Connection between French terrorists, German terrorists, Belgian terrorists.
37:57This series of facts gave the sign of a certain maneuver.
38:04together with these a fact as an objective.
38:09So on the one hand a kind of organization that can be in progress,
38:16which has perhaps not yet reached its destination, and which we hope will not arrive there.
38:21Facts already certain.
38:22And it is not an exclusive, but a particular recipient.
38:28That is, the important points for NATO.
38:32Excuse me, are there any reasons to believe that there is a European powerhouse that controls everything?
38:39You see these two phenomena that I have just pointed out.
38:43If they don't give us certain data that there is someone driving,
38:48But what can one think when forces are organized?
38:54and the main recipient is always the same.
38:59That there is some mind, that there is some person who has a strategy.
39:05You have recently been to Brussels and Paris.
39:08He is wrong in believing that his mission in France did not achieve,
39:12as Mitterrand made clear, great results?
39:16But first of all, I think that I am carrying out a task that I had set myself for a long time.
39:25Exactly when several months ago she had been in Rome
39:29the meeting of representatives of the various governments belonging to the Council of Europe,
39:39which is therefore a major meeting of the European community,
39:44I had asked those present, if they were interior ministers
39:50and if they are not, to warn their colleagues,
39:54that I would gladly move for meetings.
39:57I have no thought of being the savior of the world
40:00or that I was given who knows what function,
40:03but when the aggression is coordinated in this way
40:06It seems logical to me that there is an attempt to tie ever greater agreements
40:13to respond in the best and most effective way.
40:16Now, faced with this effort, what is it that in my opinion is weak, if not missing?
40:25It's the political will.
40:27Travelling around Europe I find that on the police level,
40:31at the police level even those who wear military uniforms,
40:37I'm talking about the Carabinieri force for us or corresponding forces elsewhere,
40:41At the level of the security services, there are some formidable agreements that are in place.
40:48But what is the political strength and will?
40:52Now without political will, how long does all this collaboration last?
40:56What possibilities, what efficiency can it have, what soul can it have?
41:01On the other hand, what political strength does Europe have?
41:04This Europe that has been so loved and desired by so many, not only in Italy.
41:09But what strength does he have if the steps he takes are so light,
41:15sometimes imperceptible, sometimes one even fears that they are steps backwards?
41:19And then I have to tell you that it's a bit of a struggle to talk to colleagues to say
41:25I just came to see if together we want to express an intense political will
41:31faced with two evils that attack man
41:35and they do not attack the Italian, the French, the Belgian, the man
41:38and they are terrorism and drugs.
41:41Excuse me, Mr. Minister, but let's get back to our own business.
41:44The Red Brigades captured General Dodger and killed General Hunt.
41:49Do they have anything to do with this new outbreak of madness?
41:53At this point I would have a hard time talking about the Red Brigades or not,
41:58as a series of elements painfully demonstrate to us
42:05whether Red Brigades or Black Brigades, organised crime or common crime,
42:13they find enormous strength in agreeing to attack or destroy
42:20and they should teach us a lesson,
42:23since we are trying to do something good
42:27we have such a hard time getting along.
42:30We have submitted 38 extradition requests to the French,
42:3425 were rejected out of hand by the political authorities,
42:3811 are still in the prosecution chamber,
42:42only two were approved but ended up in appeal.
42:45Is it our justice system that is wrong or is it the French one?
42:49You will absolve me if I do not go further on this page,
42:52for one reason, this is a matter for the Ministry of Justice
42:56and it seems very appropriate to me, even though you know I am a magistrate,
43:01not to touch it specifically and according to the various cases.
43:06I allowed myself to say just one thing to the French Minister,
43:10which is political and broader.
43:12I have a duty to give you, colleague, a guarantee,
43:16and it is the one that on the territory of my homeland,
43:21where I am Minister,
43:23let there be no one, neither Italian nor foreign,
43:26neither permanent nor occasional present,
43:28that you are plotting something,
43:31not against you French, against anyone.
43:34Because if I gave guarantees to you, Minister of France,
43:37and I did not give it to another,
43:38I would be taking a decidedly immoral step,
43:41according to natural morality.
43:42I give you this guarantee and if you have any news,
43:47different from this one that I don't have,
43:49you provide it to me and I will go all the way,
43:51to give her the guarantee that nothing is being plotted in my land,
43:55against whoever it is.
43:57If I give this guarantee,
43:58I think I have the right,
44:00to have a similar response,
44:02from anyone else,
44:04have the dignity and morality of a man.
44:07Thank you.
44:08Thanks to her.
44:10Tomorrow, all the journalists in Italy,
44:12printed paper, radio and television,
44:14they operate, we too.
44:16We invite you on Wednesday evening.
44:1840 years have passed since Ialta
44:20and the world expects a message of peace.
44:23For the first time,
44:24in direct connection,
44:26interview with the director of Pravda
44:27and the New York Times
44:28and testimonies of the great protagonists
44:31of world politics,
44:33Bresinski, Willy Brandt,
44:35Aver Herrmann, Milovas Gilas.
44:37Good night everyone.
44:45Good night everyone.
45:15Good night everyone.
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