CTP (20260617 S4EJunSpecial3) Andrew Linn Church And State BTS/SP video

Joseph M. Lenard

CTP (20260617 S4EJunSpecial3) Andrew Linn Church And State BTS/SP CTP (S4EJunSpeical3) Who Does Separation Of Church And State Protect Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond - all in Biblical perspective We sit down with filmmaker Andrew Linn to follow the story of Roger Williams from Puritan exile to Rhode Island founder and to rethink what separation of church and state was meant to do. We argue that liberty of conscience protects faith from government power and that civic ignorance turns a hard-won principle into a modern weapon.  • Andrew’s family name origin and Ellis Island simplifications  • Growing up in Maryland, studying film, settling in West Virginia  • Roger Williams’s banishment and the Massachusetts Bay theocracy  • Rhode Island’s charter and an early model of church state separation  • Freedom of religion versus freedom from religion as competing frameworks  • Taxes to established denominations and the Danbury Baptists context  • Ten Commandments debates, history in schools, and civil law limits  • Liberty of conscience as a guard against forced “conversion”  • Christian nationalism concerns and lessons from European sect conflict  • Propaganda and “strongman Christianity” narratives around Russia  • Demoralization, universities, and why civics education matters  • Collectivism, individual responsibility, and e pluribus unum as a lived ideal  www.churchandstatedoc.com  Type “church and state documentary” on YouTube to watch it for free  SEND US FEEDBACK: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2210487/fan_mail/new  https://tinyurl.com/SubscribeToCTP   CTP Audios: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBuzzsprout  CTP Videos: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBITCHUTE  https://tinyurl.com/CTPgear   https://tinyurl.com/JLenardDetroitGear   AI images/videos/audio CTP uses: https://tinyurl.com/GalaxyMagicaAI     https://tinyurl.com/BookPromotionViaFiverr

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00:00to joining me today will be andrew linnin and no there's only two n's there not three or four

00:11l-i-n-n but yeah there's kind of an extra n on there i don't know maybe we'll ask

00:17him why

00:17but welcome to the show andrew oh thank you very much joe thank you for having me on

00:25so indeed let's let's go there why the two n's andrew spelled what most would consider normal a-n-d

00:36-r-e-w

00:37but linn l-i-n-n yeah go figure right so a lot of people uh think that uh lit

00:47well a lot of people

00:48before they meet me they think i'm asian you know i'm not bingo exactly you see the word linn but

00:55that's usually one n yeah that's right so i learned i've learned that that's uh taiwan common in taiwan

01:02linn but anyway my grandparents immigrated from russia great grandparents and uh they had some big long

01:10confusing you know last name and so yeah ls island they shortened it to linn so who knows what it

01:18was

01:18before then but i hear you uh on mom's side of the family uh uh it became keeler from the

01:26keel

01:27germany region migrated i have no idea what it was before oh okay you're from the keel region keeler it

01:37is you know and and on dad's my last name leonard it looks french it's not it's actually was leonard

01:46or wascovitsky or whatever right big long polish thing it got chopped to leonard but without the o so

01:54so i hear you names are always a uh a fun uh exploration with me because of all these weird

02:03origins and store origin stories and well let's chop it down and make it easier yeah yeah yep exactly

02:15so where were you born and raised where are you now significant places you may have been in between

02:24and how much time did you spend in prison for what

02:29for the benefit of the transcript he's laughing we're laughing this is a joke people this is a joke

02:37but where you're born raised that kind of thing yeah sure yeah i was born in uh only maryland i

02:44grew

02:44up in mount airy maryland and i lived there most of my life and then became a nomad when i

02:50became a

02:50young adult and moved all over the place from winchester virginia to baltimore my college was in florida

02:57orlando florida it's called full sail university i went there for tv and film um and then uh right now

03:04i've settled with my family in west virginia so so i've been you know run the game now i'm gonna

03:10have that my head almost have west virginia yeah you know speaking of you know state names and whatnot

03:21you mentioned maryland so i've gotta i got my audience knows i can't pass on the lame puns were you

03:28indeed mary while in maryland yes and no it was a good place to grow up but uh i don't

03:37like it much

03:38anymore but yeah yeah okay so going off the deep end over there but yeah i hear you i understand

03:48uh

03:49uh anyway or at any rate as my audience knows the ongoing running great gang i i've cut out the

03:58ahs and ums that you gotta try to avoid but i've found i use the verbal crutch for segwaying of

04:06at any rate so it's been an ongoing running gag ever since i don't even bother to try to stop

04:13myself

04:14anymore and in fact throw some extras in for fun so indeed at any rate the real reason you're here

04:21is

04:22you created a documentary church and state roger williams and the founding of freedom of religion

04:29uh what was christian show so obvious pun what was the genesis of that project

04:39well i guess the genesis started with roger williams exodus so uh roger williams is a little

04:46known figure or maybe not he's not a very well-known figure from our uh history he's the founder of

04:52rhode island and uh the exodus i mentioned was he he was a puritan that came here immigrated from

04:58england and he was he settled in the massachusetts bay colony with these other puritans and he was a

05:05preacher he was a christian uh people respected and loved him and admired him for his intellect

05:10and so forth uh but they ended up banishing him because he believed in freedom of conscience freedom

05:16of religion a lot of people don't know that the puritans had basically a religious state set up

05:22in massachusetts um where they controlled every aspect of your life if you live there and they

05:27would boot you out for all kinds of reasons you could be too proud if they deemed you and what

05:32they

05:33literally were a theocracy at the time yes exactly so the while people think and yes people came here

05:41from europe for religious persecution to be free from that uh the history was kind of repeating

05:47itself they were starting new uh colonies that still had religion embedded with government and so

05:55when roger williams was banished from massachusetts bay colony he founded rhode island and as far as we know

06:01he started the first colony with the first charter in world history to have separation of church and

06:06state in its charter uh which he got from england and is basically the colony's constitution of that time

06:13well when people hear church and state they meet they don't think williams they think

06:19the jefferson letter and of course the bastardization of it now gone from

06:28a minor quasi please have a separation of church and state to a degree to freedom from religion of today

06:41and that's not what was intended exactly i i find it hard to believe of course now the the

06:49excuse me the um charter for rhode island is not the u.s constitution and roger williams is not

06:55technically a founder that we think of uh that he was about 100 years prior to the to the founders

07:00we think of who founded the united states and wrote the country but our founders learned from him

07:06yes uh you know we're inspired by a lot of figures we don't know exactly if they were directly

07:12influenced by roger williams but i'm sure they obviously knew the charter and the freedom of

07:16religion that took place in rhode island and uh the big thing was i would doubt that these

07:22specifically roger williams who again was a preacher i would really doubt that he was trying

07:27to get rid of god and religion you know i don't think he wanted freedom from religion i think he

07:32recognized that when you mix religion and politics you get politics and people who seek power are often

07:38not the best people people who seek positions of power in politics and they would persecute people

07:44like him true christians real christians so the idea is to protect the church not to destroy and get rid

07:50of

07:50the church exactly it does it does not preclude religious people from being a government it supposed to

07:59protect us from the government intruding on our churches like the johnson amendment or the johnson rule

08:11but yet today a worldly communist can go into a church and speak all day about worldly communism

08:23and the leftist deep state not a peep but if a a christian candidate a christitutionalist as i coin

08:33goes into a church and actually talks biblical jesus biblical community far different than worldly

08:43communism there's linkage but different and all up and downs and we're going to pull your tax

08:50exams exempt status yes absolutely yeah and and that's you know the freedom of and freedom from is very

08:58important distinction and we have an example of freedom from religion it's called communism communism

09:04is an atheistic form of government and if you look at china you can see uh what how the church

09:11is treated

09:11in a communist freedom from religion uh government that's persecuted and then a lot of people will ask me

09:19well here in america are we under threat as christians we're always under threat as christians but by the

09:24grace of god even if they do come against this and violate their constitutional rights the federal

09:30government or state government we fortunately do have the constitution to push back so they might get

09:36you know some gains but they'll win some battles but they're not going to win the war as long as

09:41we

09:41you know stick to the original intent in in the constitution yeah the constitution to our benefit

09:47yeah and i understand why we have the notion of tax exempt status for religious uh well let me back

09:57up

09:57uh also inspired by the bradford colony and the failure of worldly communism there the mayflower commie

10:05compact a commonwealth everyone was supposed to put in equally to get out equally and of course

10:12like the animal farm movie that's out now that's not what happens you get more and more it's why

10:19jesus said the poor will always be among you there will always be some who won't do anything they want

10:26to be pulled in the cart and especially we'll get away with that if others are willing to reward them

10:35for

10:35their sloth yes right absolutely like and i've heard it explained like in the old testament where it said

10:42leave the corners of your field for the poor to come and you know get food well yeah they had

10:48to

10:49work to get the food it wasn't you know give it to them they had to go and you know

10:52glean the whatever

10:53to get the the food the resources they still had to work to get it it wasn't just leave it

10:59you know

10:59you do all the work and you leave them a portion it was no leave the corners for them to

11:04do the work

11:04so they can grab and get yeah i just uh just quoted calvin coolidge former president coolidge

11:12on x today uh paraphrasing one is not one may be down but they are not truly out but charity

11:23no man makes his way back from down without personal effort the difference between a helping

11:34hand up and a handout which in modern parlance has become a leftist practice of creating dependency

11:43to buy votes that way power and control over people will let you be lazy like the animal farm movie

11:53hey

11:53free grain free grain nothing's free there's always attachments but to the tax exempt status

12:01i really would like a church to grow grow the cojones to say you want our tax exempt status take

12:11it

12:11go ahead we'll start paying you and we will say what we want to say from the pulpit as they

12:18should

12:18why we're giving and again i i understand why we're doing it but at the same time a political

12:28non-profit doesn't have exempt uh tax deductible statuses the church churches probably shouldn't

12:37either and then they would be unrestrained and then lower the taxes for everybody so nobody's paying so

12:45much in taxes yeah potentially that's a good idea you know but you know in turn i think the idea

12:52behind

12:52no taxes on churches was for them to be charitable organizations the bullworth of our judeo-christian

12:59foundations biblical community charity the local charity knows and the bible makes the distinction i'm on

13:09disability the bible makes the distinction between those who are unable and those who are unwilling

13:18back to jesus's statement and indeed the local charity knows the difference between someone who

13:25needs and someone who's a lazy con the government doesn't bother to even attempt to make the distinction

13:35and why we have so much fraud in it today yes right amen yeah absolutely and an important thing also

13:43about taxes uh part of the reason i made this film is to uh remind people of the history or

13:48teach

13:48people the history a lot of people don't know this stuff uh when people think of separation of church

13:52and state when they think of that danbury baptist letter with jefferson uh what they what he was

13:57addressing was they were concerned the baptists because in that time the colonies each had their

14:03denomination as i mentioned so when you lived in a colony you would pay taxes to a specific

14:09denomination whether you agreed with that denomination or were of that denomination or not

14:13so if you lived in virginia were a baptist you were paying taxes to the anglican church and as a

14:18baptist

14:19you you don't like that why would you like that why are your taxes going to that that specific

14:24denomination so that's in part that was one of the reasons for what jefferson was talking about the

14:29separation of church and then also they didn't want a as um a denomination ruling over the country

14:37federally one denomination uh because that was the case in europe and that was the case in the

14:42colonies yeah and they knew that you know that wouldn't be good because it always ended in strife

14:47between yeah and and as you pointed out to a degree or alluded to uh implied a lot for sure

14:55uh each

14:56colony and eventually even many of the states had their own constitutionally declared official church

15:06right it's not a violation for a state to have it in their constitution it's a violation for the federal

15:16government

15:17to have it in place yes yeah absolutely and so for instance uh one of the gentlemen i interviewed for

15:24the documentary

15:25he's a new york times best-selling author and he wrote the premier book on roger williams it's called

15:29roger williams and the creation of the american soul and he's left of center or maybe far left either way

15:35he uh he he i asked him a question do you think there's a violation or is it in threat

15:41today the

15:42separation of church and state and he said a clear violation is where he lives in louisiana

15:46they put 10 commandments in public schools or something and so a lot of people would say that

15:51that's a violation but i would say if the people want it and they voted for it what does it

15:56matter if

15:57that's what the the the yeah we are we are not a mobocracy so i would oppose it from the

16:04mobocracy

16:06standpoint but i support it based on our nations our battle cry of our revolution was no kings but king

16:15jesus so the no kings crowd aren't even only anti-western they're anti-religious they're anti-christian

16:25no kings but king jesus isn't the cry of a bunch of atheists

16:31so historically speaking the 10 commandments and the reading of the bible belong in schools

16:39as a historical reference to our foundations well yes and i i missed the no kings protest when king

16:47charles was speaking to congress exactly no they were busy clapping like seals yeah exactly

16:57yeah right it's it's ridiculous right and and speaking of the king subject uh roger williams

17:06uniquely just as you said king jesus this is what he believed we had two swords two tables and two

17:13kings

17:13right so our two kingdoms uh the kingdom of man which is of this world and the kingdom of christ

17:20and the two swords we had the sword of the state which is to prevent evil romans 13 and promote

17:26the

17:26good and then we have the sword of the spirit which changes men's hearts and roger williams whole point

17:32his big point was liberty of conscience you can force people to go to church on sunday that doesn't

17:37make them a christian that makes them a hypocrite so i i talk about that all the time like when

17:44my books i try to deal in subtle portrayal and nudges of christianity the the stereotypical bible

17:55thumper right beating someone over the head with the bible and oh here comes that wacko christian again

18:02just yes just tell them you're a believer and let them go on that's a fake that's a false it's

18:08not a

18:08real conversion they have to really truly accept christ and you're not helping save their soul

18:16if you're beating them over the head with the bible that they lie to you about being a christian

18:22yeah exactly and and also and roger would say um that you're violating their conscience that's a rape

18:31of the soul to take somebody to church or to do whatever you know force people to be religiously

18:36conformed to what you believe is the true uh true faith or true denomination um and he also as far

18:44as

18:44the 10 commandments were concerned i thought this was very unique uh he believed that the two tables of

18:50the 10 commandments you the civil governments ever since ancient israel he believed ancient israel was

18:56the only theocracy you know sanctioned by god which if we're biblical christians that is true

19:01it's the only theocracy sanctioned by god so that all civil governments since then can only enforce

19:06the second table of the 10 commandments uh people's relationship with one another thou shalt not steal

19:11thou shalt not kill but the first table uh our relationship to god that's a personal private

19:17matter um which i think was very brilliant and very interesting and very radical at times i love it

19:23absolutely and to me that is more christ-like and again he want he invited he wanted people to come

19:34he didn't force people to come uh a couple things you mentioned back to the king yeah king charles

19:44so the left is clapping like trained seals why because the king's in congress peddling left-wing

19:52client man-made climate money laundering schemism so of course they're clapping the king

19:59but and the other thing is uh you mentioned uh we're talking about the 10 commandments pen i talk

20:08about all the time of pen and teller you know the oh yeah comedy magician team uh pen devout atheist

20:17but i don't have a problem with him i love him i think he's a great role model because he's

20:24not one of

20:25those i hate all religion type atheists he's like with gays tolerance okay that's fine that's between you

20:35and god i but there's a difference between tolerance and the red line as i coined gativists engaging in

20:46gativism and pushing pedophilia that's all way those are two different things but pen has said over and

20:55over he has no problem with the 10 commandment tablets being on the scotus building and moses being up

21:03there he recognizes though he's an atheist whether you come to thou shalt not he has no right to steal

21:11my stuff nor me my me his or him the right to kill me or me the right to kill

21:17him and whether you come

21:19at that through the theological or just hey it's just a good social standard whatever way you come at

21:28that is fine but that's recognizing our history he's not trying to destroy our history like most

21:37cultural marxist atheists want or even i dare say matthew 23 viper snakes blind guides who don't

21:47you know want to take a scripture or two but ignore the context of the whole bible and destroy our

21:53culture

21:54yeah absolutely and that's a an important distinction as you've mentioned that uh so the

22:00founders believed in freedom they didn't believe in anarchy so that's an important distinction roger

22:05williams wasn't an anarchist as a christian man he believed in authority and government we need

22:10government government is sanctioned by god but the founders just believed and i think rightly so we need

22:15limited government and and so yeah and then as far as atheists goes like you mentioned pen um i didn't

22:22i

22:23knew he was an atheist i think he's funny i've seen his stuff i didn't know all that he believes

22:26but

22:27that's good that he's not against that stuff because here's the reality um we are not a theocracy of

22:32course but we are foundationally christian you can't deny this fact all uh all laws are based on a

22:39culture's beliefs so if we go to the middle east there's polygamy we don't have polygamy here why don't

22:44we have polygamy here uh if you go to papa new guinea uh there are tribes who do cannibalism as

22:50part of

22:50their culture we don't have cannibalism why is that why do we have these laws because they're

22:55foundationally from the bible these are laws our culture endowed by our creator with unalienable

23:04rights and atoms our constitution is for a moral and just religious people that is wholly inadequate

23:14for the governance of any other and we've strayed from that and i was on

23:23coincidentally uh joel calls his show church and state i was on church and state the other day show

23:32and he came up with a term i like minarchism right men indeed left of complete right zero government

23:43minarchism minimal limit that's indeed what our government was supposed to be minarchism not

23:52no law or no rules and every man woman a child for themselves like total anarchy they were not for

24:01that as you pointed out they were minarchists had they thought of the term like joel did right

24:11yeah absolutely and uh you know even even the deist would you know which i guess you would call an

24:17agnostic like a benjamin franklin he said if men are so evil with religion what would they be without

24:23it so again these people weren't even the people who weren't christian weren't against religion

24:28they weren't yes they didn't want it the first thing uh george washington did after congress ratified the

24:35first amendment prayer asked him to have a day of prayer and thanksgiving wait a minute a president

24:41of the united states he can't pray he can't talk about god and yeah that's ridiculous get out of

24:46here separation of church and state yep yep again they don't want separation of church and state

24:54as i coined i wrote on before it's news decades ago they want liberal religion tinyurl.com

25:01slash liberal religion they want separation from church to state that's what they they want

25:10democrats to be god they want government to be god to replace religion yes and uh i made an uh

25:20what did

25:21i do i lost my note but yeah something else you said triggered something in a good way and i

25:27forget what

25:28what it was now though but oh ben franklin yes uh an american experiment was recently in the movies i

25:37didn't get a chance to see it it didn't play in a theater near me but in it indeed was

25:43the exchange

25:44between franklin and uh the guy of the black robe regiment i forget right he's out flying the kite

25:54with the key to to prove electricity i you know and ben rightly and you could find it in his

26:02writings

26:03we're not making this up i mean you could read the federalist papers the anti-federalist papers in their

26:10own memoirs it's not like we're making this stuff up he's out there flying it and you know i i

26:17am but

26:18the tool i'm flying the kite the electricity will hit it it will come down to the key and the

26:27other guy

26:27the the preacher says but who is the source of that lightning and power god god's nature so yes that

26:39change shows the exact dynamic you're talking about ben franklin as not necessarily a christian

26:49but a believer in a higher power right and yeah a lot of people will bring up the the fact

26:56that there

26:56were deists involved in the founding well they they act like they were they still believe in god

27:01yeah it was thomas jefferson who wrote the declaration of independence you know nate one nation under

27:07or that's not what it says that's the uh but yeah that says we know what you mean yeah yeah

27:13yeah

27:13these truths we we are self-evident and our rights are endowed by our creator you know what

27:21yeah you know an atheist doesn't say that yeah right and that's a pretty important thing to put

27:29the mentioning of god you know and yet we're what about the separation of church and state you could

27:34put you can't put you can't put god in the founding documents and then at the end of the constitution

27:39put in the year of our lord yes what kind of amen amen i just made myself a note here

27:47to i've got a song

27:48no kings but king jesus all all and our battle cry was that and these people out a nation who

27:57threw

27:58off the crown 250 years ago they're out protesting no kings and as we both said they're clapping like

28:06seals for an actual king when he's here so i'm gonna put my no kings but king jesus song at

28:13the end of

28:14this episode for people to hear uh but also in the notes here i see it is touched on do

28:23you go back

28:23because people think well catholics and protestants that was really an irish english thing well

28:32a little of that was mixed in but yet in fact in my the book of kennedy as well as

28:40my non-fiction

28:41christitutionalist politics books kennedy ponders her christianity and laments that

28:49very fact catholics and protestants murdering and maiming each other well into the 80s

28:56uh over minor although some would consider it major i call it minor doctrinal differences

29:04focus on what we agree with under christ right so you go way back to the origins of in the

29:13church of

29:13england yes that's correct so i i tell the history of why freedom of religion came about it's because

29:20the for instance in england funny enough you know the king or the queen queen was the head of the

29:27church and so but they would come in and some of them would be different denominations one could be a

29:32catholic like queen mary and slaughter all the protestants and then you know a protestant king would

29:37get in and you know they persecute the catholics it was going back and forth like a sea

29:42ridiculous yes ridiculous so um you know that's the whole that was the foundation this is what

29:47pushed people here that's why it's a part of our identity in the in america and that's why it's so

29:52important and we can't lose it of course we got the wacky leftists who are against it but now we

29:57have

29:58people on the right who are calling for christian nationalism which sounds good when you're a

30:02christian yeah i love my country i'm a christian i must be a christian nationalist well what these people

30:06are calling for is bringing back a king they want a christian prince to rule over the country

30:11because they think that will solve the nation's problems and it won't and one last thing is roger

30:15williams brother was in um i think turkey or somewhere in the middle east um and he said he

30:22found more tolerance in these muslim countries than he did in all of europe which is insane that

30:27shouldn't be the case where they're threatening to behead you if you dare say you're a christian yeah

30:32but yeah in a way in certain parts yes certain parts no but yeah i i i get what you're

30:40saying here

30:41and indeed we have come a long way and it's because of our nation's foundations and the application

30:50of these principles the rest of the west not the east i mean china and and despite putin's supposed

30:59newfound christianity he's made the russian or you said you've got russian but he's turned the russian

31:07orthodox church into the putin church yeah it's not christian anymore it's a fake putin nationalist

31:17church now oh you agree with that or no yeah absolutely i i've heard that oh you know this is

31:26real

31:26i'm not kidding on the woke right i've heard from people close to me that russia is the good guys

31:31they're protecting christianity they're the modern crusaders you can't even share your faith in russia

31:37it's against the law i mean this is insane you can't preach the gospel and they are not you know

31:42it's ridiculous it's it's the same reason how and why a spam burglar can get elected as governor

31:51because people listen to what's coming out their mouth and ignore the biblical principle

31:58you shall know them by their fruits their actions speak louder than words but they oh they sound

32:08great putin sounds great when he's few in that nonsense he doesn't but he's kdb he learned from

32:17history pope john paul ii reagan and thatcher brought down the soviet union together with

32:25the russian orthodox church within corrupting the soviet union within with the help of the pope

32:33he knows that so if he wants to reconstitute the soviet empire he has to pretend

32:41well we may not be full christian but we're christian light or as you said he's got a lot

32:47of idiots here bamboozled into thinking oh he's really the next jesus i mean no he's a lot closer

32:57to the antichrist than he is to jesus yes yeah right absolutely he's a look i respect him as a

33:04strong

33:05leader who's good for his country but they're they're our enemy our long-standing enemy for

33:09since you know time yeah and you know so unfortunately on the woke right we're having a

33:16a cultural marxism where instead of tearing down statues they're tearing down our history saying

33:21churchill was the bad guy and the west is the bad guy and they're even saying i don't know if

33:27you've

33:27heard this but this is that we as america are we hate catholicism and we bomb nagasaki specifically

33:34because they had the largest catholic population in japan and so it was an attack well the largest

33:42denomination of christians in this country catholic and we've had two catholic presidents it's ridiculous

33:48it is it is absurd and uh i forgot where i was gonna go there uh because you mentioned nagasaki

33:56uh darn i lost my train of thought there but yeah it was along the lines of this absurdity and

34:05this

34:05this app oh it it wasn't it's true it's undeniably true that fdr turned back boats of jews fleeing

34:16persecution in in europe so was fdr anti-semitic well we could debate that

34:25but those facts would suggest so and he was reluctant to get us into world war ii he only

34:33went against germany because japan bombed berl harbour they were allies germany declared war on us

34:42when japan bombed berl harbour so he had no choice but he was keeping us out of that war so

34:50does it it doesn't mean he was siding with anti-christian nations in that point but there

35:00was at least a streak of listening to the anti-semitic crowd and turning back the jews from

35:08being able to flee europe yes yeah right and and if we're talking about attacking catholics i mean

35:14let's look to europe i mean uh when hitler invaded you know italy or all these other countries that

35:21are catholic or orthodox why don't we mention that was he not uh attacking catholicism i mean he wasn't a

35:28you know a good figure for the catholic church or any christian denomination yeah no putin

35:34putin putin is a lot like hitler i get he's a student of history he learned hitler feigned he didn't

35:42want

35:43to marry because he wanted to be the single the father of all christ-like insane right very anti-abortion

35:55unless if you were a slav or a black or a jew then murder them yes but yeah he wanted

36:03this quasi

36:04religiosity to be able to cater and indeed summon the church went along with that so yeah it's more

36:14complex and the problem is people are simple too simple nowadays how stupid have americans become

36:23is one of my the liberty beacon dot com articles and your documentary uh again church and state roger

36:31williams and the founding of freedom of religion not from it is about educating because we don't get

36:42it in our indoctrination factories well that's where this comes from this uh freedom from religion stuff

36:48comes from public school and college educated people they the university the atheist communistic

36:55universities especially yes yes they're they're anti-american they're anti-christian and so in a

37:02sense i don't know if you've heard of yuri bezmanov yeah but he was a kjb defector in the 80s

37:09and

37:09and he came and he spoke about what the plan of the russians was and at this point it seems

37:14to have

37:15succeeded destroyed from the inside they go demoralization and so forth they go to the

37:21universities and they transform thought and what he said within two or three generations you've

37:26completed your tax you know saw alinsky the the idol of the left a cultural marxist

37:37students and all of alinsky is indeed that russian communist plan of undermining within

37:45right and destroying our identity that's what's happening right now people don't know who or what

37:51we are and both on the woke right and the woke left they're trying to transform it into some uh

37:56on the

37:57left they want to become an atheistic communistic country on the right they want to become a theocratic

38:01communist country and it's just it's i oppose both for the record yeah for the record we agree we

38:09oppose both we were never meant to be a theocracy and that's part of the whole point of the separation

38:16of church and state there shall not be a one denominational or even one religion choosing

38:24judaism christianity or islam like some of the islamo-fascist left wanting to impose an olamo-fascist

38:35caliphate government here i oppose that whether it be islam or christianity it's not meant to be that way

38:45but that doesn't mean you eliminate it either right yeah exactly um and again with roger williams and the

38:53two kings and that ancient israel was the only theocracy sanctioned by god he believed that uh

38:59the kingdom of christ is internal in the body of christ and we are sent out among nations jesus didn't

39:05start a nation he he has a nation israel and he'll return and he'll rule and reign from israel in

39:11the

39:11meantime we're a spiritual kingdom he sends us out into the nations to preach the gospel transform

39:16nations we're not uh to establish governments right preach preach and teach not like islamo-fascism

39:27at the barrel of a gun that will chop your head off if you don't convert yes and and as

39:33compared to what

39:34you know thank the lord for things that we can compare to like communism like islam islam is more of

39:40a

39:40political ideology to me than it is a religion it's really dependent yeah no separation of church and

39:46state and is right right in most of it anyway like i support dr sudi jasser who wrote the book

39:54reform the

39:55battle of the for the soul of islam he applies and believes in the separation issues as opposed to a

40:03rashid a taliban representative out of michigan who is an olamo fascist terrorist sympathizer supporter

40:12there you know it's like christianity and some people still don't know this they don't know and

40:19they just refuse to learn in christianity you have sex and denominations and in my terror strikes book

40:27coming soon to a near city near you i go into in the tokyo chanter the christian doomsday cult in

40:37tokyo that engaged in terrorism who are like the modern islamo-fascist twelver cult who indeed

40:47there's sunni there's shia there's wahhabism there's the twelver cult and the twelver cult arabic

40:56islamo-fascist twelver cultists are the ones oppressing the persians who were not who are not

41:05arab they're persian different and most people don't figure that out and also the zorro something

41:13ism i i yeah well is the traditional real faith of the persian people not islamic being forced and

41:25imposed upon them so i i i make i had that argument the other day it is a collectivist absolutist

41:34notion and it's anti-biblical to say all muslims are you know either terrorists or terror

41:44germany not all of them were nazis a lot of them were silent and look what happened and it got

41:52out of

41:52control and that history is rhyming again there there aren't enough zutty jassers speaking up and out

42:01against his own faith and that radicalism to prevent another situation like 30s germany uh in the 2030s now

42:14uh so but yeah it's called it's anti-biblical to be a collectivist absolutist no group of black white

42:28or pink polka dotted if it's skin tone or religious based or politically based you cannot declaratively

42:38make collectivist absolutist statement all this group thinks this we are not the borg

42:48yes right that uh you could say all are under sin we could say that right

42:53uh i for every rule there's an exception and yeah you yeah you thank you for that uh correction

43:03i'm human i'm frail i'm flawed i can make a mistake and thank you for correcting me on that

43:09that's the one exception to the rule yes right and look at the nation of israel 12 tribes two kingdoms

43:17i mean and this is god's chosen nation he created it and yeah it was not it was not a

43:24well it wasn't

43:25very collectivist as you mentioned it wasn't uh you know unified and so forth but uh right god created

43:32us and gave us free will martin luther king jr the content of one's character regardless of your skin

43:41tone you have free will and choice you are not part of the group that the left wants to insist

43:49you must

43:50belong and think exactly like we are individuals everyone must be given the opportunity to show their

43:59character yes and i i heard this uh jewish conservative guy from england he he framed it

44:05like this that communism wants to make everybody into bricks whereas capitalism or free markets uses

44:13what god created stones because we're not all the same and it works with stones it builds with stones

44:19whereas communism tries to make everybody conform to the same image to strip them of their individuality

44:25their god individuality and identity and build with that and that's anti-american and it's anti-human

44:32really it's yes i i wish i would have thought of that just the other day i and i will

44:39tack this on as a

44:40song also e pluribus unum right from many one yes we are stones not bricks not all shaped the same

44:49and

44:50but yes building putting stones together coming together voluntarily by choice although e pluribus unum

45:01is almost a collectivist absolutist kind of statement but you know i got four or five minutes for a song

45:08there's a little creative license let me break right yeah context with the other songs matter it's not an

45:17absolutist statement from many one we want immigrants who have that philosophy and want to join

45:24the melting pot it isn't appropriation it's homage i'm part irish german italian polish all right

45:37i can't afford it otherwise today being may the fourth may the fourth be with you right star wars day

45:46and as i joked on x uh i love it when celebrities are warring right star wars i can't can't

45:55pass the bad

45:56puns but tomorrow is cinco de mayo day it's not appropriation if i were to go up to mexican town

46:05in detroit

46:06and celebrate with my mexican friends

46:10and dei is segregation and separation in the name of diversity and inclusion but when you declare

46:20black only dorms or black only graduations or latino only that's not inclusion that's not

46:28that's separatism we are the most diverse nation and inclusive on the planet that it has ever seen

46:37and why i wrote my e pluribus unum that's why it's our motto the melting pot from many one we

46:45are

46:45inclusive and diverse yeah right that and and the founders though the immigration initially was from

46:52europe it was from different countries in europe and as we know european nations are very different

46:58in their cultures and languages um you know new york used to be new amsterdam so um you know so

47:05they

47:05they understood they were very brilliant man with great uh brilliant men with great foresight

47:09uh it's amazing how they thought of so much ahead of time uh particularly uh the uh electoral college

47:16i find to be the most brilliant thing that you of course at first we are not a mobocracy we

47:21are a

47:22constitutionally limited republic and the 17th amendment i want repealed it to bastardization of the checks and

47:29balances they were never to be direct elected like the house was separation within the congress

47:36senators are supposed to represent the rights of the states and therefore come and be appointed

47:43by the states we've destroyed that the left has destroyed that i want that repealed but speaking of bad

47:52jokes king back to king charles i love when he was joking with trump and he said he said well

48:01trump you said if it

48:03wasn't for the u.s we'd all be speaking german but if it weren't for the english you'd all be

48:10speaking french

48:11i just about fell off by care that is it's a true yeah right in england and france in the

48:21new world were

48:21battling so indeed we if not breaking from england we might have otherwise been breaking free of france

48:29at the time and speaking french like quebecians across the northern border right yeah and and uh yeah he had

48:38some good zingers in his speech yeah he was actually pretty funny yeah but yeah and as far as the

48:45french

48:45are concerned uh uh another thing about like uh uh benjamin franklin alexander hamilton they were all

48:53these men were appalled at the french revolution they thought it was an atheistic revolution they did

48:57away with god and they were in their writings they rebuked the french revolution because it was atheistic

49:04they thought it was ridiculous uh how could you in george washington himself how can you have

49:09uh a moral society without religion and as you mentioned earlier john adams yeah of course so you

49:16know they knew that religion had a place in society you can't have god forbid we have an atheist society

49:24we'll end up you know having famines and murdering millions of our people like the russians and the

49:29chinese is that one through that and that's what the leftist won i guess i don't know yeah they fail

49:35that's why the left doesn't want history and civics right taught in schools they want it to repeat

49:44as long as they are it's all about them as the ruling elites lording over it doesn't matter i call

49:52them the commie fasci so she's a crash those three are the same damn thing now it doesn't matter if

49:59if it's one dictator or a politburo it's one or a few lording over the many all left of spectrum

50:09governance they're all for it well time has flown we've blown past the 30 minutes i usually like to

50:17keep my shows at so and i will of course put in the notes and on the bottom scroll church

50:25and state

50:25doc.com is the website yes yes that's correct www.churchandstatedoc short for documentary.com

50:34um and there you can find all the ways to watch it for free and i noticed you you too

50:40i watched the

50:41trailer i didn't watch the documentary but i watched the trailer on youtube yes so the film

50:47is on youtube you can watch it there uh if you type in church and state documentary into the search

50:52should be number one or top five and again the full title is church and state roger williams and

50:57the founding of freedom of religion thank you and i haven't said your name enough andrew when i'll

51:03you know i've been in politics forever they say you need to touch an audience seven times right

51:09so you should repeat the name at least seven times to get it to stick and i haven't done that

51:16andrew lin and no only two m's l-i-n-n and again that'll be on the bottom scroll for

51:23those

51:24viewing on the video back behind the scenes channel although and that's why we speak it aloud for the

51:3240-ish audio only platforms and the benefit of the transcript thank you andrew for stopping by

51:38yes thank you so much for having me god bless take care god bless love you all

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