00:00Em 2023, a Netflix lançou a série Treta, uma história envolvente sobre duas pessoas que começam uma espiral de brigas
00:06após um desentendimento no trânsito.
00:08Com Ahlyong e Steven Yeung no elenco, a série varreu a temporada de prêmios.
00:13Agora, o criador da produção, Lee Sung-jin, dobra a aposta com uma segunda temporada antológica,
00:18estrelada por Oscar Isaac, Carey Mulligan, Charles Melton e Kaylee Spanning,
00:23além de duas grandes estrelas do cinema coreano, Yao Yu-jung e Song Kang-ho.
00:27E eu conversei com Lee Sung-jin, o Sony e parte do elenco americano. Confira!
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01:29out what their backstory is, figuring out their dynamic, how they're able to be so cruel
01:35to one another, and yet still clearly be longing for each other or longing for something that
01:40they once had. That was just a real fun puzzle to solve together.
01:47Lindsay is this woman who feels as miserable as her husband, and she feels like she's living
01:53a life that she didn't dream of. While doing this, playing this part, exactly, how was
01:59it for you to get to this point of, well, I don't know, this poor woman, what kind of advice
02:05could I give her somehow?
02:07Yeah, I think it's always sort of, I think you sort of have to figure out why someone is
02:14the way they are. I think meeting her on surface level, she's, you know, she isn't a sort of
02:21happy person, she's not happy in her relationship, but I don't know what relationship would make
02:27her happy. She's someone who's sort of never really figured out who they are. So I think
02:34that's probably at heart her biggest issue is she's sort of not really sort of grounded
02:40in who she is, doesn't really know who she is. And so ultimately, anyone around her will
02:44end up disappointing her. But I found her really interesting. I think it's sort of, you know,
02:49what like the tactics that we use to cover up the way that we really feel about ourselves
02:55are so interesting. And she's someone who really doesn't like herself very much. And,
03:02you know, there's a real facade in how she presents herself to the world. But she's also
03:05very good at sort of adapting to different people. She's good at sort of adapting her personality.
03:11But I think if you're someone who's very good ultimately at doing that, then you can feel a little
03:14bit lost as to who you actually are. So a lot of this was just figuring out, like, if you
03:19sort of
03:19take away all the artifice from her, who is she? Do you guys think that any kind of relationship can
03:24reach to that point to any any kind of even the healthier relationships can get to the point of
03:31their disputing with each other? Yeah, I think for sure. I mean, that's just the nature of being in a
03:36long term relationship, you know, resentments start to happen. And, you know, when you find any kind of
03:42discomfort, the feeling is I want to fix it. And the first place often people look is the person
03:49right next to them, you know, the person that you're living life with. It's like, well, if they
03:52fixed these things and I wouldn't get me so upset and my life would be easier if this person could
03:58just be different. And and so, you know, that that begins a cycle of of trying to fix something and
04:06then maybe it helps for a little bit and then they resort back to the same behavior. And, you know,
04:11and then it can get scary when you think, all right, well, it's been this long. I've been putting
04:14up with this for this long. What's the rest of the time going to be like? And Carrie's you've
04:18talked about it about time, you know, when you start to feel the pressures of time, time gone by.
04:23And what's the time that we have left? And am I spending it wisely with the right person?
04:28You know, I think that that's when, you know, people can really get caught up in that.
04:33I think the best piece of advice I ever heard was keep short accounts.
04:37So it's sort of another version of don't let the sun go down an argument, but it's it's, you know,
04:43it's the idea of sort of not allowing things to become long term issues in your relationship.
04:48And I think with Josh and Lindsay, they've just they have not kept short accounts.
04:53They've they're kind of keeping records of one another's disappointments and failures
04:59as as sort of ammunition. And when you meet them in the first episode, I think this is where
05:06like they're just this is where you're meeting them on the worst day of their relationship.
05:11I think we talked a lot about, you know, is this fight normal for them?
05:14And I think they are people who fight.
05:16But this fight that the audience meets them in is is probably the worst they've ever had.
05:20So I want to first of all ask you after amazing first season explosive one, by the way,
05:25you double the beef with two problematic couples.
05:28What has inspired you to tell this different story from the first season?
05:33And why exactly do you like to write about people on the edge?
05:37You know, I think I'm one of those writers that has a limited imagination. So I need I need the
05:43universe to kind of inspire me. And again, this season was inspired by a real life event where
05:50I had overheard, let's call it a heated debate, as Josh says, coming from a couple's home in my
05:58neighborhood. I'll speak vaguely because I still live in that neighborhood. But, you know, I think
06:04the incident itself wasn't that interesting. But what was interesting to me was how people were
06:08reacting to that story when I retold it. So a lot of my Gen Z peers were very concerned, being
06:16like,
06:17did you call the police? Did you did you check on them? Like, what's going on? And then all my
06:22like
06:22millennial and Gen X peers were like, I mean, what's the big deal? It's a fight, you know? And so
06:29that
06:32was really fascinating and kind of felt like an interesting canvas for which a show could meditate
06:39on marriage and time. And yeah, and so that's that's where it all began. And I kind of ran with
06:47it from
06:47there. Austin is this really nice guy who wouldn't hurt a fly. But then he makes his fiance insecure by
06:54connecting with Eunice through this possibility of reconnecting with his own Korean roots. How did you
07:02relate to him in a way that you could build this character along with the writing of Sonny?
07:07Yeah, I think that came with a lot of trust and over hundreds of hours of conversations with Lee
07:18Sung Jin about just life and existential questions and talking about, you know, when you think about
07:26Carl Jung, like the shadow self and kind of breathing forth the subconscious, the consciousness and, you
07:34know, the work with these characters. You know, Austin, it's when I think of Austin, he's navigating a lot
07:41simultaneously. And it's not just one thing. And that's a testament to the brilliance of Sonny.
07:46You know, he is not only experiencing the melting of the honeymoon phase in his relationship, but
07:56he's also, you know, finding in his genetic makeup, his epigenetics, when he's around Koreans,
08:08a part of his identity that maybe he feels far from, while also moving up in
08:15the system of class and capitalism, while also internally conflicted with always doing the
08:22right thing and putting people before himself, being of service, being of use.
08:28Sonny talked about this a lot, where Austin just wants to be of use. And I think that's such a
08:34human trait that I think we can all consciously or unconsciously relate to,
08:39which is this kind of this need to be of use, to be useful, to feel something, you know,
08:49some sort of self-worth. And watching Austin navigate right and what's, you know, doing the
08:57right thing opposed to doing the good thing, even if it's not the right thing for his partner or for
09:03someone else around him, is such a textured, rich canvas to explore.
09:08Beef also relies on telling the stories about power and classes disputes. Why do you think that
09:15this kind of narrative is so attractive to the audience in a general way?
09:20You know, we certainly didn't set out initially to talk about class. Initially, it was just about
09:26two couples. But I think when you're writing a story in 2026 and you're trying to make it honest,
09:32it's impossible to ignore that theme as it's so heavily involved in every interaction, every headline,
09:42everywhere you look, that is the main variable in today's society. And so that kind of became the
09:54umbrella for which everything, you know, every aspect of the story sat under. And, you know,
10:01I think as creatives, we would love to someday not talk about class. I'd love to write about other
10:08things. But until society changes, until it's not something the universe consistently throws in our
10:17faces due to the leaders that we have, we as creatives need to keep talking about it and screaming
10:24it from the mountaintops that the system is rigged and something needs to change.
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