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00:00I certainly played the song Buckeye for my daughter when we finished the demo of it and
00:04me and my wife and her listened and you know there was some tears shed it was cool it was
00:07really emotional moment um to you know write this song and you know it had a lot of different vibes
00:13to it. Rock, metal, prog and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:20Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:26And now it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown. John and I just talking here like uh
00:32like like on the phone or something but uh yeah which we do. Yeah with kids kids sports and all
00:39sorts of stuff. How you doing there? Good brother how are you? Good how does it feel to release a
00:43record? Ah it's a rad accomplishment you know it's a nice achievement all these years later and
00:49anytime you do it you feel like all right we did it. It's it's a little daunting because um and
00:55you
00:55know you know as a parent it's it's kind of like watching your kid grow up and like take those
00:59first couple steps and um or at this point it's like watching you for me it was watching my kid
01:05get his first car and making sure he doesn't oh he doesn't crash but um but yeah you know because
01:10you're you're so close to making a record you you're you're writing it you're recording it you're
01:14demoing you're doing all the things and then at some point when it's complete and you have the
01:20artwork and everything's done and you mastered you gotta let it go and then that is then it's
01:24up to the public and then it's and then it's theirs it's no longer yours it's theirs which is great
01:29of
01:29course but um you know it's all you need is one bad reveal and you're like ah well it's funny
01:36it's
01:36like you know hey john what is your favorite song where they're like my kids I love them all well
01:39I
01:39have a favorite kid so I'm just kidding yeah right no you can't I mean that's why I was saying
01:43that to
01:44somebody recently about um choosing albums or whatever like that I'm like you can't I can't
01:49because it's like picking your favorite kid but and I mean every I want every record to feel
01:54different now that's really our goal in Armored Sane at least is to um is to try to like make
01:59every
01:59record kind of be a snapshot of time during that time when you were writing it right and every year
02:05is different and certainly it's different now I mean when Punching the Sky Lost One came out it was
02:102020 it was COVID so it was a very different time so um you know and then you know obviously
02:151984 was a long time ago I'm a lot different time it looked a little different but uh you know
02:20embrace it yeah you know um before we get into the record here I just saw it say that you're
02:25going
02:25out on tour uh mostly in the middle of the country in the in the west coast with uh yeah
02:29with um with
02:30the guys from Metal Church that's cool it's gonna be great you know those guys are really cool
02:34Dave Ellison's in Metal Church now Kurt and us go way back and we've done some shows again we're
02:39going to do some in Europe and it just made sense they have a new record and and we're both
02:43kind
02:44of from the 80s so it just is very logical for us to do some stuff they're actually playing they've
02:49already committed to doing some east coast and a couple midwest shows okay and that's why we can't
02:54go back to those areas too soon because they had or they'll have already just played it so yeah that's
02:59right I think Metal Church is gonna be coming through here yeah Dave uh I texted him when I was
03:03talking to you and he wanted me to say hello first of all and he said he said you sang
03:07out one of
03:07his songs in 1993 I did I sang it you know I did a demo with Dave you know I
03:13don't remember what was
03:14it was 93 that okay so I guess it was maybe I was I was obviously probably in Anthrax at
03:21that point
03:22um but he asked me to do like this demo that he was doing and I was like yeah sure
03:26I'll come over
03:26and do it I think I felt like I was recording it in his apartment or somebody's apartment so
03:31and this was a long time ago prior to you know having people having pro tools and all that stuff
03:36so I don't recall where exactly the scenario was but um it was a fun song and he put it
03:43out on like
03:43one of his solo albums or something um and Dave's great you know I've known Dave for a long time
03:48and
03:49we do the Metal Legion sing together and you know he's just a no frills guy out there he's a
03:53great
03:53dude obviously yeah if you were God that was the song if you were God that's right yeah it was
03:59his
03:59tune I just sang it but uh it was cool it was fun yeah the Metal Legion thing you wanted
04:03me to ask you
04:03about that so how much fun is is doing is doing that that's kind of just a loosey-goosey thing
04:08yeah it's it's pretty loose you know it usually is uh in conjunction with the NAMM show every year
04:13in Anaheim and um I have we have done other shows including we did Rock and Rio which was uh
04:18off the
04:19charts I mean that was you know insane probably one of the biggest shows I've ever played so um
04:24that was kind of a rare thing but um usually like I said it's a show in in association with
04:30the NAMM
04:31fest uh convention every year in Anaheim but it's fun you know it's it's it's a bunch of different
04:35guys we play a combination of some cover tunes and some original tunes because they've made a couple
04:41records and you know everybody's just a veteran so you know whether it's Skolnick or you know
04:46Mike Portnoy or Dave or Andreas from Sempletura and you know Phil Demmel you know it's just a bunch
04:53of rad musicians getting together you know nobody's got egos Chuck Billy you know you name it
04:59where everybody's just a bud you know and it's a lot of fun and the fans are always into it
05:04yeah
05:04well the record came out Emotion Factory Reset and um of course that that that phrase is dropped during
05:11the uh the first song uh Close to Bone which talk about a ripper to open up an album holy
05:18crap
05:19yeah it's cool I mean it's I guess we were thinking you know if somebody hadn't heard Armored Saint
05:24before or ever um or recently you know what would what should we kind of introduce them with and uh
05:30Close to the Bone felt like the appropriate song so you know it sounds like vintage Saint but it
05:35sounds like Saint that came out you know 26 so um that's really kind of the objective always is to
05:42make something sound kind of modern but without you know changing the style and the sound of the band
05:46we're not trying to imitate you know a band that just came out in the last couple years because
05:51that would be dumb quite frankly um and we you know we want to do our thing but we want
05:56it to sound
05:57modern in the sense that you know it just sounds like it came out now and I think we achieved
06:02that
06:02so was there ever a point in the recording process where you're like no this kind of sounds like this
06:07or you're to change it up there any of the guys you know bring other ideas or uh like like
06:12Lars one
06:13time said this sounds too stock too stock that's great that's funny well you got to check yourself
06:20you know especially when you've been around for a long time and you've been you've written a lot of
06:23songs and for me it's it's making sure I'm not um repeating something you know repeating a lyric
06:29or um repeating you know a melody that maybe appeared like on an anthrax record that I did or
06:36you know anywhere you know whatever so like it's I I'm always going does that sound familiar or even
06:43sounding like another band obviously um so I think that's the key when you when you've written a lot of
06:49songs you you want to make sure that it sounds unique to the to the circumstances so um that's the
06:55important thing um I think we're pretty honest with anything we do in Armored Saint and Joey Vera you
07:02know he's an awesome producer and songwriter and orchestrator and um he's very you know he's militant
07:10to some degree and a little bit of a control freak which you kind of have to be when you're
07:13a leader of
07:13the band and um and so he's just very meticulous in the way he does things and um he's calling
07:20everybody
07:21out including himself and we're just making sure that you know it's the highest quality and pushing
07:25the boundaries I mean we want to challenge our fan base you know we want to say hey we incorporated
07:31this sound on this song we think you can swallow it here it is you know or you know this
07:37arrangement
07:38is a little bit unusual we think it works you know we're doing it so we're not asking people's
07:44permission we're just making you know we're writing songs but but in the end you want to make sure
07:48people can can relate and um it seems to work out well we tried to make songs a little shorter
07:54on
07:54this album um it was kind of requested by a record company metal blade they're like come on man you
08:00know it's a little shorter and it would be great to have like it all in one vinyl so we're
08:05not like
08:05because you know two vinyls cost more money and it's just not cost effective so um I think we were
08:11able to do that and but yet still kind of have these kind of it sounds like elaborate arrangements
08:16at times but it really isn't so um that's you know the little the little twist uh one of the
08:23songs I thought that stuck out by its um diversity or maybe it stuck out just by just how different
08:29it
08:29was was uh ladders and uh ladders and slides yeah yeah it's a cool song and you know it has
08:35almost
08:36like this rival son feel to it which is a great band I love that band Jay is an awesome
08:41singer
08:41um and um you know it's it's it's not like armored saint has always kind of had these kind of
08:48bluesy
08:49um extensions of things we did I mean it goes back to over the edge of delirious nomad that was
08:54very
08:55bluesy and um you know a song like the truth always hurts which was on simple salvation so I don't
09:01think
09:01it's a stretch for us I mean we love that kind of thing we're you know the blues are important
09:05to us
09:05and we're really a bluesy garage band really at our core um you know we're metal band and we're
09:11hard rock band of course but you know we we can do that and we can pull it off and
09:15Joey and Gonzo are
09:16like this great rhythm tandem where they can you know they can they just groove you know they can
09:21really groove and a little different from the average bass player and drummer because you know they
09:25they like you know r&b and they like you know jazz fusion and stuff that like helps kind of
09:32influence sometimes the style so you know it's not a stretch it's a cool song it's kind of has these
09:38kind of big holes in the verses and um you know I played a little bit on the on the
09:44game a little
09:45bit but I flipped it you know just kind of trying to be creative and then there was there was
09:50two songs
09:51on this record and I was curious if they're about anybody you don't have to even say who they're
09:55about if you don't want to but one was uh it's a buzzkill and the other one was bottom feeder
09:59seemed like those were aimed at someone well they're probably always aimed at somebody I just
10:05can't reveal that who it is okay um no no I mean buzzkill um we had the title and we
10:12thought it was
10:12cool but I didn't want to just write you know an obvious logical song lyrically about like oh you
10:19know you're you're it's a buzzkill man because you know I was high and now it's a buzz I wanted
10:25it to
10:25kind of do something with it so I thought okay if you're in a like budding romance and um it
10:31feels
10:31like it's going good and then somebody kind of ends it then that's a buzzkill right you know so I
10:36was
10:36trying to like play a little bit more on the lyrics than the obvious thing so it was kind of
10:40more a
10:40little so slightly it's not about anyone in particular um but but it's kind of based on that
10:46and then um bottom feeders is kind of funny like during covid um all these um it's a big thing
10:52here
10:53in southern california I don't know about in the midwest probably here and there um these like um
10:58street takeovers and um and you know a bunch of guys will get these cars and they'll get you know
11:04put out this social media press release and we're going to be at this intersection you guys come and
11:10we're going to surround the neighborhood and um we're going to do donuts and drive like maniacs and
11:15and danger people um and people have gotten hurt and killed actually at some of them and it was
11:21crazy because we could hear it from our backyard because for some reason fairfax and pico was an
11:26area that they wanted to take over consistently which is like around the corner from my house here
11:32and you would hear it because we'd be in the backyard eating and you hear the sound and it's
11:36hearing burning rubber and you know I'm sure people are race car fans you know hear it but
11:42it's a crazy weird sound that kind of gets into your spine and it makes you kind of uncomfortable
11:49you know when you hear this like it was weird so um you know it was just it kind of
11:55it kind of
11:56I don't know of course that kind of stuff it gets into me and then I'm like I gotta write
12:00about it
12:00so I kind of I kind of I wrote about it slightly negatively towards these people who I think are
12:08you know kind of doing things that are probably fun and I'm trying to like go okay I get it
12:13this is
12:14fun doing donuts you know being driving like a maniac filming it I'm not that old to to say I
12:20you know I could see how it's fun but it's also really dangerous and maybe you should do it in
12:24a
12:24place where it's kind of open and like there's not a bunch of people watching who would get hit by
12:28a rim
12:29that flies off and kills them you know which happens so um so that kind of is where that song
12:35originated and then it you know it kind of grew from there a little bit but it's a cool song
12:39it has
12:40almost like this ramstein militant kind of feel to it which was very different for armor and say
12:47and uh one of the other songs I want to ask you about too um obviously hit a moonshot's been
12:51out
12:51for a little bit uh but one was one song which I have a little bit of an issue with
12:55is the song guy
12:57like is you're from Michigan or you're from New York technically well I've been here in Michigan
13:02more than half of my life so I kind of consider myself a Michigander so it's over 30 years so
13:07yeah yes well don't take it personal anybody in the Midwest um there's that song is very personal
13:12actually it was about when my daughter actually chose to go to college and she ended up going to
13:16a school called Kenyon which is in Ohio so that was the reason why I kind of said okay let
13:22me let
13:22me tackle this you know emotion that's happening here with me and because it's like it was some
13:27jubilation of like she achieved going to college and I'm sad she's leaving and I'm kind of you know
13:33I have some anxiety and various emotions um the song is really cool it has almost like a zeppelin
13:39feel to it at times and um has a rad slide guitar solo that Jeff did and um and you
13:46know I just
13:46wanted to equate something with the state of Ohio so because that's where she went so you know the
13:51tree is famous and hence the name and you know those those state buckeyes and blah blah blah blah blah
13:57but
13:57yes don't take it don't don't don't don't hate on it because you're from Michigan or Illinois or
14:03Indiana or Pennsylvania well I think it's it's Ohio Michigan thing that you know of course I don't
14:09know if you know this but you know when we play them in football in college you know they will
14:12cross
14:12off every letter M on whatever it is it's like you know they won't even use the word letter M
14:17you know that's how bad it gets that's hilarious well I mean I you know we're obviously big sports
14:23fans we talk about it often but um you know I love that kind of stuff when it's at least
14:27not
14:28done in some kind of like I don't know hateful way or although sometimes you know what are you
14:35gonna do I mean you know like I mean you know you might still get hostile yeah yeah well you
14:42mentioned your daughter and uh yeah obviously your son you know he's still back with you he plays hockey
14:47and whatnot um my kids don't give a crap really about what I do or at least they don't show
14:51me do you
14:52play their this stuff for them or do you do they ever listen to Armored Saint stuff do you ever
14:56run
14:57anything by him or say what do you think about this I mean I certainly played the song Buckeye for
15:01my
15:01daughter when we finished the demo of it and me and my wife and her and listen and you know
15:06there
15:06was some tear shed it was cool it was a really emotional moment um to you know write this song
15:10and
15:11you know it had a lot of different vibes to it so um certainly did that um my son used
15:16to be more
15:17into what Armored Saint did as a matter of fact and as early when he was a little tiny
15:21four-year-old five-year-old he came out on stage and with a fake guitar and he actually sang
15:26can you
15:26deliver with me and um it was pretty awesome and and he was really into it and then eventually
15:31something happened and he just kind of lost interest so um you know whatever it's all it's
15:36all good I mean he you know obviously as a sports fan he plays hockey we discuss that all the
15:40time
15:40your son does too and you do too and um you know we you know it's anything that you're just
15:47passionate
15:48about I think that's the key um that's what I really want for my kids and um you know for
15:52myself
15:53is to just be into it you know you're just passionate and then you know music fans are
15:58feeling I mean especially metalheads I mean you know man they're they're so passionate that they will
16:03bluntly tell you that this is terrible I don't like it especially in Europe you know I the new album
16:08John yes uh I bought it okay what do you think um I do not like it as much as
16:14the last one you know
16:15that's my German accent right there but they're always just like you're like okay well all right
16:21you know go but like you know like anybody who's passionate about anything in sports and music I feel
16:27like there's a lot of correlations you know they're into it and um you know that as long as you
16:32die hard
16:32about something I think that's the important thing you just don't want to be some kind of
16:36you know ambivalent person that's just you know that's no fun yeah we've talked about it many
16:41times like I always let my kids to you know discover what they wanted to like so you know
16:44my daughter's a country music fan and I don't know what my son you know yeah I saw him play
16:48baseball
16:48yesterday and all this other stuff so uh how much was uh left on the floor how much do you
16:53have for
16:53another record and did you guys use it all up a good question we had about three other songs that
16:58we demoed um I don't know why those didn't make it I guess you know they they I guess we
17:03didn't feel
17:03they were as good realistically I get in all honesty or that maybe they didn't fit we had
17:08this cool kind of ballad thing but um I feel like we've done that on the last couple records so
17:12I was
17:12and it was sounding a little similar so I was like we don't let's not do that on this album
17:17so
17:17and Joey agreed but um yeah there's a couple things you know maybe they'll rear their head on a
17:23I don't know people don't you know they used to be the singles and 45s and you know
17:29it's not quite like that anymore but but you know maybe we'll do something like that actually
17:33metal they did for the European release of the version of the record they included the song
17:40one chain don't make no prison that we put out about a year and a half two years ago which
17:44is a
17:44cover of the four top song and um we made a video for it and everything and they put that
17:48on a 45 but
17:49it was only for Europe um and it was really cool actually because we were signing a bunch of records
17:53because we were just there and and um you know it kept falling out because it's a 45 year old
17:58months they drop it but it was really cool so I mean we could do something like that I don't
18:04know
18:04yet what but um yeah you know it's hard when you when you lift over tracks and then you come
18:10back
18:10whenever you're ready to make another record usually you listen to those songs again and go
18:15well maybe there's a reason we didn't use them you know yeah yeah I've done that before too left
18:21something recorded like not music obviously and then you come back to you're like I'm not sure
18:25if that's great we do that but yeah yeah sometimes time will do that but uh yeah the record is
18:30out
18:31emotion factory reset all right now 48 minutes of the saint and uh man just a killer record killer
18:39artwork by the way too tell me about that yeah it was cool I guess we're getting some people that
18:44were saying is you know he was a legitimate artist I think there was some AI stuff in there as
18:50far
18:50digital things but um but he was a true artist the guy who did his name was D.D. King
18:55European dude
18:56um and I actually might be from England I don't remember but um in any case I like the idea
19:01we
19:02we were like talking and we wanted a night as like okay you know granted Armored Saint the night we
19:07got
19:07it but you know um but you know my whole thing was like well it's got to be different though
19:12we can't
19:12like number one is the cover of March of the Saint is such an iconic cover for us that we
19:17nothing is
19:18going to be the same as that it was just amazing and the way it all kind of happened so
19:22and we've
19:23done a couple things in conjunction with t-shirts blah blah blah but so we had the title and then
19:28the idea of like kind of combining this industrial world with this kind of like you know when you think
19:36of the night you think medieval times obviously pre-industrial uh you know part of society or
19:42whatever and um combining those I thought was kind of cool although it doesn't really make sense
19:48because there were well I mean I guess you could think of heck you could think of hockey players in
19:52the same well there is the golden knights right so I mean so I mean you know some of these
19:57warriors
19:57or military guys you know they're kind of modern knights to some degree so um and you know they're
20:03modern but you know I like the idea of this kind of industrial background with the factory and
20:09um with this night it kind of just like I said it kind of encompasses two different times and so
20:15I
20:15thought that was kind of in creative and different yeah I love the darkness of it it has a certain
20:20vibe
20:20to it too and uh I don't mean that negatively I'm like I just love that kind of vibe you
20:25know album covers
20:26are fun you know and you want to have this really cool and creative album cover and the kind of
20:32thing
20:32that people want to look at and go back to the vinyl thing and you know there's nothing to me
20:36there's
20:37nothing like vinyl and and um you know something to look at and you know it kind of just really
20:41brings the music together so um it always has and um you know that to me is why I love
20:48still buying
20:49records so we just talked uh before we started actually when we started about this uh about this uh
20:54the the metal saint tour coming up here in the fall what else you got going on for 2026 anything
21:00big
21:00during the summer coming up well we we're going to Europe we're doing about three weeks in Europe
21:05starting at the end of July we're doing some dates with some various bands mental church being one
21:09we're doing some days with the testament um which will be great because you know Chuck and Alex are
21:14friends of ours and and then we were doing some stuff with a couple shows with sabotage which would
21:19be cool because they were a great band back in the day that kind of still continued on in Europe
21:24and
21:24were really big in Europe but didn't quite have the same status in America but um great band
21:30incredible band um and then nevermore which is another band that um world was the original singer
21:35passed away but they have a new guy who apparently sounds great and um so uh we're doing some shows
21:41with those bands in various places Poland uh Sweden um and then we're doing a slew of uh festivals
21:48is where we're playing the Alcatraz festival which I always get excited about when we play
21:52because they have a it's it's it's connected to this like big basketball court so every time I go
21:57there the first thing I do is I find a ball and I start shooting loops that's great game yeah
22:01at
22:02like 9 a.m I get up there and I go and I start I'm just shooting around so I
22:06will do the same when
22:07I get there but it's a great festival one has grown and um and we're playing Brutal Saul which is
22:11another
22:11rad festival in the Czech Republic it's has like it's kind of on these old prison grounds which are
22:17really cool it's old you know it's very old and so you know a combination of these cool shows uh
22:23with
22:24these other bands and then some festivals so it'll be a lot of fun and then we come back in
22:28November and do the dates with Metal Church um and you know I'm sure we have we got to get
22:33back to
22:33the Midwest and East Coast so we'll we have some plans that aren't quite defined yet but that'll
22:39happen in 27. Okay you know we've we've saw I've sat and watched your son play hockey and we've talked
22:45about hockey and um I've told this to many a parent out there but I said you will never know
22:51when you
22:51are in the best situation of your son's hockey career or your daughter's until you look back on
22:57it and you go oh that was a great year but you don't know really when you're in there because
23:00there could be a better year coming it could be worse whatever so looking back on your career now
23:05that you've had 40 plus years what what was what was like some of your best years and what would
23:10you
23:10change if you could uh well I'm actually pretty accepting of the way my career has gone quite frankly
23:17and there's certainly been a lot of twists and turns um you know I just I guess it's just my
23:23own personal thing I mean last thing I want to do is like have some hang up or be bitter
23:27about anything
23:28because that's just what good is that going to do for anybody right let alone me um you know never
23:33quite got to that certain level of fame I guess is um is a reality um that I accept um
23:41that being said
23:42I mean I think I have a great reputation in the heavy metal world I always you know and this
23:47isn't
23:47what was me but I always make the joke that probably people will really come to appreciate
23:52armor saying and John Bush wants I'm dead and I don't and I mean that and I'm so I mean
23:58and I'm not
23:59saying it like you know oh you know oh John you get you'll you'll be okay that's not that but
24:05it's
24:05just kind of I think it's there's some truth to it but um yeah you know I I think I'm
24:10pretty
24:10accepting of it all you know here we are all these years later still making really cool legitimate music
24:15and touring and playing and I'm in my 60s I think that was the thing we wanted is longevity um
24:20and
24:21that's the thing that you could probably control to some degree because you can't control fame I mean
24:25how are you gonna you know for all the amazing bands out there so many of them so many people
24:31don't
24:31even know about them and yeah you know like there's a handful of bands that really achieve
24:35that level of success that's like insane right um Metallica Iron Maiden you know you know whatever
24:42I mean there's there's Korn you know the system of a down whatever but really for all those bands
24:48there's probably another 100 per band if not more that nobody really knows that much about so um and
24:55that's the main that's the nature of the music business and you know you got to go into it because
24:59you love it and you love music and that should be their primary source and um and that's kind of
25:04what we did so I'm pretty accepting I mean I was a little bitter because it took us a while
25:08to get
25:08to Europe it was a couple bad business decisions in the 80s so yeah as we kept on doing tours
25:15in
25:15America with Choir Riot and Metallica and Saxon and you know the Hell on Wheels tour or you know
25:22with Halloween and Grand Reaper in every one of those tours we didn't go to Europe and we were one
25:26of the
25:26few bands that didn't and it would piss me off and it and you know it was a terrible decision
25:31by the
25:32label and I was on the cover of Crane magazine I was like I'm on the cover here and shouldn't
25:37we go
25:38to England and like they're like well we're concentrating on America I'm like I'm on the
25:42cover like what do you need so like that was that kind of that was one little thing that in
25:51my career
25:51I was kind of annoyed about and I held down to it for a bit but we've been to Europe
25:56a bunch of
25:57times since I let it go yeah well what year did you actually finally break through well we didn't
26:01actually play on European soil so we played the Dynamo Festival in 1989 so that was like six years
26:07after our our first three records and EP came out so we were way behind at that point and I
26:13mean look
26:13our music is you know I'm proud of being from LA and we certainly you know we were part of
26:18the LAC
26:18in the 80s and even though we sounded a little different but the reality is you know sometimes
26:23we sound like a band who were straight out of you know Birmingham and England that is and for us
26:28to
26:29not go there all those years we just we lost a lot of time and I really thought we would
26:34have been
26:34bigger even in Europe than we were in the States so we didn't really get a chance to do that
26:38so we're
26:39always trying to make up for lost ground but you know like I said we we've been to Europe many
26:43many
26:43times and I can't use that as a you know any kind of excuse it was in the 80s but
26:48it's gone now
26:49yeah well if it makes you feel any better I've never been to Europe so well dude you got to
26:53go
26:54brother you got to go you got to create a tour yeah yeah the meltdown tour to start a band
27:00or
27:00something that's right you should no that's you're such a great DJ and you have such a great voice and
27:06you know there's a rule thank you that's nice of you to say so uh last thing here for you
27:11um I know
27:11that you did a few of those anthrax dates last year I think I heard talking about this is there
27:16anything in the future would you do that again or something maybe maybe expand it a little bit or
27:19anything like that well we're doing the Milwaukee Metal Fest that's actually the last show that's
27:24next weekend actually and it's going to be fun Saints playing the day before then then we're doing
27:28the uh the John Bush thing and um it's going to be really cool it's exciting you know I loved
27:32those the my time in anthrax we made some really killer records together and um you know for a long
27:39time that that music was kind of you know it was gone basically and um you know I never felt
27:47too good
27:47about it because it was like 12 years of my life I didn't want it to just be erased but
27:53um I get it I
27:54understand you know that anthrax has a new record out they have a new song and you know they're touring
27:58right now in Europe and um so you know I get all the the logistics behind it but in terms
28:03of
28:03actually like there was a period of time when those records weren't even available and it was like can
28:10it's hard enough to compete with your own band with the success that they had in the 80s can my
28:14records at least that I made with the band at least be available somebody wants to buy one
28:19you know that's is that asking too much and for a while wasn't and and but now they are and
28:25the
28:25megaforce records we released them and it's great they did some cool packaging added bonus tracks
28:29what have you and um so it was the right time to do those dates I did the three they
28:33were amazing
28:34people were really fired up now we're playing my walking metal fast I would like to go to Europe at
28:38some point with it because I played many many tours with anthrax not only of Europe and Japan and South
28:45America and these are all places that I play so yes I would like to do that it has to
28:49kind of
28:50coincide with you know this armored same record and the timing just has to be right but I I definitely
28:55think it you know there'll probably be more shows to happen well dude always great talking to you
28:59john um the new record like I said emotion factory reset is out right now and uh I guess we'll
29:04see
29:04here next time you're in in Detroit I'm not sure that's gonna be but yeah thanks for all the love
29:10you came to my son's game that was really really kind of you I owe coming to one of your
29:14beer league
29:14games and I will be there if you're on the ice on the glass pounding for you to have I
29:19want to
29:19support you you'll be the only one there and everyone will be like that's okay I'll have the
29:24place to myself and um you know thanks for all the love you give us lots of love appreciate it
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