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Catch up with all the latest political news across the county with Meghan Shaw.
It's been a whirlwind week in politics, as Sir Keir Starmer's hold on the Labour party continues to crumble. Alongside potential leadership challenges from Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham, support here in Kent has also dwindled.
All that and more on this week's Kent Politics Show.
It's been a whirlwind week in politics, as Sir Keir Starmer's hold on the Labour party continues to crumble. Alongside potential leadership challenges from Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham, support here in Kent has also dwindled.
All that and more on this week's Kent Politics Show.
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00:35Welcome to the Kent Politics Show, live on KMTV.
00:39I'm Megan Shaw and it's been a whirlwind week in politics.
00:42As Sakiya Starmer's hold on the Labour Party continues to crumble.
00:46Alongside potential leadership challenges from Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham,
00:52support here in Kent also has dwindled.
00:54Kevin McKenna for Sittingbourne and Sheppey, Tony Vaughan for Folkestone and Hyth
00:58and Neshaba Khan for Raynham and Gillingham are all calling for his removal.
01:02Let's hear from Neshaba now.
01:04Unfortunately, I do not think that the Prime Minister's position is recoverable.
01:10And rightly or wrongly, he has lost the trust of the British public.
01:14You know, I don't think changing leader is a magic bullet that will fix all problems that we might be
01:20presented with.
01:21I'm not suggesting that. And I do recognise that there is a level of risk when you do something like
01:27this.
01:27And I recognise the potential instability it can cause.
01:31And it's a full house today on the Politics Show.
01:34And I'm joined by Labour's Chattern and Aylesford MP, Tris Osborne, leader of Medway Council,
01:39Vince Maple for Labour and Co-operative and the Conservative leader of the Opposition at Medway Council,
01:44George Perfect. Thank you all for joining me.
01:48So we just saw the pictures on screen there, Vince, with you and the PM and Neshaba.
01:52So what went wrong?
01:54Well, let's say a couple of things right off the start.
01:57Last Thursday was a really, really painful day for the Labour Party.
02:02We had some terrible election results, no doubt of that.
02:05And it was good to hear Keir taking that responsibility, as you should do as a leader.
02:09And all three of us actually have been involved in local government politics for some time.
02:13So it's not just about, these are not just numbers on a spreadsheet.
02:16These are people often, you know, people we know from across the country.
02:19So really difficult.
02:21So that reflection of that was important.
02:24I was really pleased to be there on Monday when Keir gave his speech,
02:28reflecting back on the kind of what has happened so far.
02:31And I was pleased to hear some positive movement, positive recognition.
02:35Actually, we've got to improve collectively, both him as an individual,
02:40but collectively in government and across the Labour Party.
02:43You know, that feeling of making sure we're not talking about spreadsheets,
02:47but we're telling stories.
02:48We're telling the narrative of some of the great work that Tris
02:52and all the parliamentary team are doing up in Westminster,
02:54bringing forward really positive legislation changes to our country.
02:58But I think it's a fair criticism to say that that narrative telling,
03:03that storytelling, explaining how those positive things,
03:06like even the GDP, really good GDP results earlier this week.
03:11But what does that mean to residents in Medway?
03:13So I think it's about being better at that narrative telling.
03:16And clearly that narrative telling isn't going brilliantly, would you not say, Tris,
03:19when Medway seems split.
03:21We've got Neshaba calling for the PM and Lauren Edwards has been silent.
03:25What do you make of this?
03:26Well, I signed a letter this week to say that Keir should stay in place.
03:30And if we look at the last general election results,
03:32he won more seats in Kent than any Labour leader in my lifetime.
03:36It is not the right time during a King's speech,
03:39when you're setting out the platform for future years,
03:42delivering for the British people,
03:44that this leadership election happened at this point.
03:46And just lastly, this week has been a bit of a tale of two halves,
03:49because whilst we had those issues going on,
03:52and incidentally, they didn't have the numbers that Neshaba was claiming,
03:55and that there's no leadership election because of that.
03:57We also had the other tale, which of course is falling waiting lists,
04:0120% down in Medway Maritime, 0.6% growth.
04:04We've now had growth in every quarter under this government,
04:07a 40% reduction in boat crossings,
04:09and net migration falling after the Boris Wade period.
04:12So actually, we actually have a really positive story to tell the British public.
04:16It is only two years in.
04:18It will take five years to get that agenda fully delivered.
04:22So it's just very frustrating that we're deciding to become introspective.
04:26And that's the reason why I think we should focus with Keir
04:29on just getting through the legislative agenda
04:32so we can focus on the priorities of the British people.
04:35I mean, despite that, can you agree?
04:39I've never in my lifetime have I seen a Prime Minister so quickly,
04:42with so much, so little support, seem to stay in that position.
04:45Do you really think we will see those five years under Keir Starmer?
04:50So, when you say little support, there isn't a leadership race.
04:53So therefore, the rest of the Parliamentary Labour Party
04:56did not sign any letter or any action for there to be a leadership race,
05:01whereas Streeting has now stepped down and resigned.
05:04That's unfortunate because, as I've just said,
05:06we've just had a record fall in waiting times,
05:08which is going to impact Medway residents and those across Kent.
05:11So I think that we now need to govern.
05:13We now need to get on with delivering, challenging the cost of living crisis
05:17caused by an Iran conflict, which is going to make things worse,
05:20growing the economy like we've done this week,
05:22cutting waiting lists, controlling migration,
05:25and also working to improve the lives of our communities.
05:28And that's what I'm focused on every single day.
05:30So I don't think introspection is the right course of action.
05:33And that is why this week I signed that letter to say,
05:36let's focus on the priorities of the British people.
05:39George, I'll bring you in.
05:40This must seem a bit familiar.
05:41It wasn't too long ago when the Conservatives were trying to play musical chairs
05:45with the Premiership.
05:46Is this a familiar story for you?
05:48Well, I think absolutely.
05:50I think Kemi's been reflecting this week on the fact that
05:53exactly what TRIZ has just been saying isn't actually happening.
05:56I mean, the irony of the Member of Parliament here for Chatham and Arlesford
05:59sitting telling us that he thinks that the government is focused on delivering
06:03for the British people, well, it's focused on the complete opposite.
06:06You had this week a King's speech completely derailed by a Prime Minister
06:12literally taking in action.
06:14He had in the one morning just earlier in the week,
06:17we had the Health Secretary come into number 10,
06:20a 10-minute meeting in which we understand that the Prime Minister
06:23was told that the Health Secretary had lost confidence.
06:26Instead of being there and taking action and sacking him immediately,
06:29the Prime Minister goes down to the King's speech
06:31with the Health Secretary sat on the front bench,
06:34delivers a pretty poor speech in response to the Leader of the Opposition
06:39in the afternoon.
06:40And then the following day is humiliated when the Health Secretary resigns.
06:44And, of course, this is just the latest, this week,
06:47just the latest week of complete chaos.
06:49We've had, in recent times, we've had, obviously, Peter Mandelson
06:53being one of the most, one of the, seems to be the flagship policy
06:56of TRIZ's government.
06:58We then had, of course, cutting winter fuel payments.
07:00We've had declaring war on farmers.
07:02All we've had is constant problem and failure after failure.
07:06U-turn changes every other week.
07:09And now that is where they've ended up.
07:11This week, we've got three MPs.
07:13We've got the Member of Parliament for Rochester and Strude,
07:15who's silent, as always.
07:16We've got the Member of Parliament here for Chatham and Hours
07:18for telling us that he's pro the Prime Minister.
07:21And now we've got Nishaba Khan, who you might argue is,
07:24of the three MPs, seemingly having the most high-flying career
07:27as a PPS in the Cabinet Office,
07:28resigning and claiming that she doesn't have confidence.
07:30I mean, you're calling for him to resign,
07:32but is the Tories, are they still not struggling
07:34and trying to redeem that reputation
07:36after going through so many Prime Ministers?
07:37That's clearly damaged the reputation
07:39when you look at the local elections.
07:41Well, it has.
07:41And that's why you need to get on and deliver for the British people.
07:44And the advice that I would give to my colleagues here from Labour
07:47is that you need to get on and deliver.
07:49Look at the difference, actually, under our leadership with Kemi.
07:51The minute Robert Jenrick was found to be plotting to defect to reform,
07:55she removed him immediately.
07:56We've focused very much on the objectives of the British people.
08:00We announced an alternative King's speech this week,
08:02the only opposition party to do so, which we published online.
08:05And Kemi responded within the House of Commons very clearly and articulately.
08:09And I think we've demonstrated as an opposition
08:11that we're effective in holding the government to account.
08:13Meantime, the government is fighting itself.
08:15It's very unclear exactly where the government is going.
08:18We don't know who the next Prime Minister is going to be.
08:20And, of course, we then find out very late yesterday
08:22one of Tris's friends, I assume, and colleagues
08:25is going to resign his seat at huge cost to the taxpayer
08:28in order, hopefully, that apparently Andy Burnham's going to come in,
08:32possibly win an election, possibly then be Prime Minister.
08:35And apparently all of Labour's problems will be fixed.
08:37But as we know, it's their own MPs that are the problem.
08:40Yeah, so, first of all, absolutely,
08:42I'll focus on the privacy of the British people.
08:44This week we had a record fall in waiting times.
08:46That's 20% reduction in Medway Maritime.
08:48That's a local hospital here.
08:500.6% growth in the economy.
08:52Migration is beginning to head in the right direction as well
08:54with net migration falling.
08:56So, look, on all the key issues which are critical
08:58for people watching this programme,
09:01actually there is a positive news story to tell.
09:03And that's why I'm really keen to tell that news story
09:06and not the introspection.
09:07But would that story not be true under West Street
09:09and under Andy Burnham?
09:11Well, we're all part of a collective team.
09:14So, of course it would be.
09:15But let me just challenge the point of where Kemi...
09:17Kemi's name recognition at the moment is very low.
09:20Only 50% of the public can even recognise her name.
09:22This next by-election, they won't be on the page.
09:25It will be a reform Labour fight.
09:27And that is the next general election.
09:29The next general election is a right-wing party led by reform,
09:32nationalist in its intent, and a centre-left government.
09:35And that will be the decision that people in Medway
09:38next year will have to make in the local elections
09:40and in the general election in the time to come.
09:43The Conservatives, I'm afraid, are not on the page.
09:45And we'll see in the forthcoming by-election
09:47where they actually come.
09:49And I suspect they might even lose their deposit.
09:51And in the last two by-elections,
09:53Cliftonville and Gordon and Denton,
09:54we didn't see Labour coming in second.
09:56We saw the Greens winning and then reform,
09:59and Labour weren't down to the list.
10:00Are you not... Is there not a worry there?
10:02So, I reflected on this last night.
10:04The Labour 2024 coalition has fragmented.
10:08We've lost Liberal-left support that's going to the Greens.
10:12And we're losing working-class people
10:14concerned about cost of living,
10:16concerned about migration, going to reform.
10:19It is not going to the Conservatives.
10:21And so the next election,
10:22and this by-election that will come up,
10:24will be a reform versus Labour race.
10:27And that is what the next three years will be about.
10:29Do you want Nigel Farage in number 10,
10:31or do you want a centrist centre-left government?
10:35And that is where we're heading.
10:36I'm afraid, Kemi, she can say anything she wants in Parliament.
10:40She's off the page, and no-one's focusing on them.
10:42Vince, I'm sure a lot of our viewers,
10:44the next time Edway Council does have local elections,
10:47will be thinking about reform,
10:48after having seen, you know, this chaos.
10:51Well, I think you're right.
10:54Obviously, next time Medway will vote across Medway,
10:56will be next year, probably for our new council.
10:59So we don't know what that will look like yet.
11:01But I think people will look and go,
11:03actually, we've seen the chaos down the roads at Maidstone.
11:06We've seen, you know, an absolute year of chaos.
11:09You know, the only reason I've ever replaced a Cabinet member
11:12is when they got elected to Parliament.
11:14It feels like KCC under reform are changing Cabinet members
11:18more than I change the bins in my house,
11:20every week in Medway, of course.
11:22But I want to go back to the central point here,
11:24which is, of course, I wish we were talking about
11:28all the things that Trish has spoken about,
11:30all the things I was talking about
11:31at our annual council earlier this week.
11:33We spent the first half of the Kent Politics show
11:36talking about an internal Labour Party matter.
11:39And that frustrates me.
11:40And I'll tell you why.
11:41Because in 2023 and 2024,
11:44we had supporters who were generally supporters
11:47of George's party voting for us
11:50because they wanted to end the chaos.
11:51They wanted to end the merry-go-round of politics at number 10.
11:54And I'm frustrated,
11:55as a leader of local government here in Medway,
11:58that we've taken ourselves back to that.
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15:19Welcome back to the Kent Politics Show live on KMTV.
15:23I'm Megan Shaw, I'm still joined by the MP for Chairman Aredford, Tris Osborne,
15:28am the leader of the Medway Council for Labour and Cooperative, Vince Maple, and of course, the leader of the
15:33opposition, George Perfect. I've just been told that r
15:36Andy Burnham has been given the go-ahead to go for the MP position, to go for the by-election.
15:42Do you both really have confidence, given the past two by-elections we've seen in this
15:46country, that Labour really could retain that seat and we've seen reforms sweeping the north?
15:51I mean, I'm very happy to answer.
15:53Very good news if that is the case, because Andy is, he's delivered from Manchester, he's
15:58been re-elected there several times with huge majorities.
16:01He's from that community.
16:02He was raised there.
16:04So this is going back home for him.
16:06And so I'm really pleased that that's been the case.
16:09But I just mentioned this earlier.
16:10This will be now a Labour versus reform fight and this is about the future of the country
16:16actually.
16:16I think this is a proxy by-election for where we'll be in three years' time.
16:20The last local elections, reform won every ward in that council.
16:24Will Andy be able to come back now and take that seat?
16:27It is a Labour seat currently.
16:29We feel very well in the locals.
16:30Will Andy be able to build that coalition again that we built in 2024 and win?
16:35And if he is, that will set the tone for coming back to Parliament and playing a massive
16:40part in supporting the Labour government.
16:43So I'm really pleased if that's the need.
16:44Vince, surely it's a risk for the mayoral position there in Greater Manchester.
16:48Well, you've got two big by-elections if Andy Burnham wins.
16:52And I, of course, I want him to win.
16:54I'm sure I'll end up going to knock on some doors as I did in the two other by-elections
16:59you've mentioned already.
17:00Would you back him over Starmer then?
17:01Well, no.
17:02I'd back him to win a by-election in Manchester.
17:05But you won't want him to go for a Premiership.
17:07As I said, I don't care who the opposition person is within our own party.
17:12I want to see Keir Starmer continuing to deliver.
17:15I think that's really important.
17:17Because again, going back to what we were saying earlier on, you know, I'll be out this
17:20weekend.
17:21I'm in WHO and Hempstead over the weekend.
17:24I know people will want to talk to me about what's going on in the community.
17:27The distractions of the Labour… No, I've never knocked on a door in Medway and people
17:32have gone, I'm going to vote Labour because you're arguing with yourself.
17:35When Jeremy Corbyn was struggling with retaining power, you also backed him.
17:40Did you just back the leader of the Labour Party?
17:42I think…
17:43Look, I'm a loyal Labour Party member, Labour Party representative.
17:47As a coincidental aside, I was re-elected for the 14th year unopposed.
17:52So again, I think loyalty in politics matters and people want to see that.
17:56People don't want to see their elected representatives arguing with each other.
18:01I think people want to see good leadership, effective leadership.
18:05Keir's recognised there's more to do.
18:07We heard that on Monday, particularly around telling those important stories of how these
18:13great policies are going to positively impact on lives.
18:17George, you must also be concerned about Conservatives in Manchester if Andy Burnham were to get
18:24that MP seat.
18:25Yeah, I mean, this isn't going to be a target seat for us, but I think my observation generally
18:29would be, look, this is a completely self-created crisis.
18:33You know, you've had an MP that's resigned for what reason we don't quite know to allow
18:36a potential candidate to be leader of the Labour Party in for what reason we don't
18:40quite know.
18:41All whilst the public sit back and watch and have to pay for all of this, residents have
18:45to pay for the cost of that by-election.
18:47And potentially, if we end up with a by-election across the whole of Greater Manchester, pay millions
18:51of pounds in order to pay for that by-election.
18:53And it comes back to a point actually that Tris was just talking about, which is, at the moment,
18:58we are in a system whereby we have got the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats, you might argue,
19:03existing parties fighting against populists, both extreme left-wing populists in the Green
19:08Party and extreme right-wing populists in Reform UK.
19:12And the important thing that the public want to see is delivery.
19:15And part of the big challenge that we're going to continue to see whilst this merry-go-round
19:19goes round of whilst they're trying to work out who's going to be the Prime Minister, is
19:23at the end of the day, it allows those populists and extremists to continue to make the points
19:26that they want to make about why people should vote for them.
19:29And ultimately, it's people that are going to suffer.
19:31It can't be that extreme if they were voted into Kent County Council if that's what the
19:35people of Kent voted for.
19:37I think there are factions in both the Green Party and Reform that are extreme.
19:40And I think that people have to wake up and listen and hear some of the challenges and
19:45some of the things that those people are saying, particularly some of the things we've seen
19:48from the Greens recently, some of their candidates which have had to be expelled.
19:51The same for Reform UK locally and nationally.
19:54I think, yeah, I think it's really concerning.
19:56And people will vote for these parties all the time that mainstream politics isn't delivering
20:00for them.
20:01And what we're seeing here with this merry-go-round of Labour leaders absolutely demonstrates
20:05the real challenge that this country is facing.
20:08Gents, I'll put that to you.
20:08Well, I think George is right to raise the scrutiny that the two kind of insurgent parties need
20:16to be given.
20:17And that's happening, you know.
20:19And it's telling that, for example, one of the elected Reform councillors made some disgraceful
20:27comments, absolutely racist comments, that their deputy leader wouldn't condemn on television.
20:34I'm not going to repeat them.
20:35They are disgusting.
20:36People will know the comments I'm talking about.
20:39You know, if any of the mainstream political parties were to make those comments, that individual
20:45would be expelled instantly.
20:47I've no doubt of that.
20:48So from that perspective, it is about saying, actually, while we have this internal conversation,
20:54which, again, I've shared my frustrations about that, what that does do as well is take
21:00away from, rightfully, the spotlight being shown on an equal level.
21:03You know, these new parties are gaining power.
21:06They gained power last week.
21:07So with that becomes responsibility.
21:09And we've seen how some of those insurgent parties have failed over the last 12 months.
21:13But also, really importantly, that their vetting process is, you know, to stand for public
21:19office, there is a level of credibility, honesty and integrity.
21:24And we've seen that repeatedly failed by both the Greens and reform.
21:27I mean, in the Labour manifesto, it also says economic stability.
21:31Would you describe what's happened in the last two years, economic stability?
21:35Well, Trish can talk more about that.
21:37Very, very happy to.
21:38We've seen growth in every quarter.
21:41Growth in every quarter compared to the Sunak recession, of course, and inflation at 11.1%.
21:46The last government left people, for the first time in our recent recorded history, worse
21:51off at the end of their period than they inherited.
21:55And more importantly, the British people rejected them at the last election, thumping them out
22:02of office as a result.
22:03You are correct.
22:04We have seen global treasuries increase over the last three months as a result of the conflict
22:09in Iran.
22:10Incidentally, a decision that Kemi and Nigel would have gone into offensively.
22:14That is now having ripple effects across the economy.
22:17We can see that at the petrol pumps when you go.
22:19You can see that in the cost of energy increasing.
22:22Of course, this is not a conflict we wanted to go into, but we are all going to suffer for
22:26that.
22:27And just lastly, that is the reason why Ed Miliband's agenda to decouple us from oil and
22:33gas is so important because we have been on this rollercoaster ride for the last 30 years
22:39of relying on oil and gas prices.
22:41We suffered it in Ukraine when the invasion happened there, and we're suffering it now.
22:46And a renewable energy future with nuclear as a partner is a sensible forward step.
22:52And actually, that is, again, part of the agenda of this Labour government, that within
22:55five years, we will be in a position to say that our energy is cleaner, our communities
23:00are cleaner as a result, and we are decoupling from oil and gas, which, again, the Conservative
23:05party seem to be beholden to.
23:07This is about the future.
23:08And in my view, it is reform.
23:10It is Labour.
23:11That's the decision coming in the next election.
23:13That's the decision in the make-it-field by-election.
23:15But the party seems split.
23:15How can any of these, you know, what you described, how can we see stability there when the party
23:20seems torn?
23:22So, at the moment, there's no leadership election.
23:25There has been this week an unfortunate situation where someone challenged the leader to say
23:30that we need to improve.
23:31I completely agree with that.
23:33We need to look at our communications.
23:34Randy Burnham's just barred.
23:35As explained earlier, we have fractured our coalitions.
23:39Part of our coalition has gone to the Greens.
23:40A lot of it hasn't gone to the Conservatives.
23:42It's gone to reform.
23:44And therefore, we have to build that coalition back again.
23:46My argument is that two years is too soon.
23:49And we need to see that over five years.
23:51And I started this show by talking about...
23:53So, there'll be no leadership contest, is what you're saying.
23:56In my view, we need to get on with the job.
23:59Keep the waiting list down at Medway Maritime.
24:01So, there could still be one.
24:02Growth in the economy, controlling migration, and delivering for people on cost of living.
24:07And in my view, the King's speech this week, I know it was overshadowed,
24:11talked about all of these priorities.
24:13And if you're watching the show tonight, those are the people's priorities.
24:16And I'm confident, if we can get that through, this sideshow needs to end now.
24:20We need to move on.
24:22I mean, all evening, we've been talking about the Greens, the threat of reform.
24:26Surely, for all three of you, this is the end of two-party politics as we know it.
24:31Well, I mean, I think that's why we're getting up every day.
24:34That's why Kemi is fighting so hard.
24:36I think that's why we've got a very clear plan of what we articulated this week in the Shadow King
24:41speech.
24:42And, of course, also why Kemi's got the best favourability ratings of any leader.
24:47I mean, I understand here what Tristan's saying here about it being a straight fight between reform and Labour.
24:52But I actually don't think it is.
24:53If you look at most of the polling, it's going to be a three- or four-way battle.
24:56And we're probably going to end up at the moment, if a general election was held tomorrow,
24:59with a hung parliament, probably with a splattering of different parties.
25:02But what we need is we need strong leadership.
25:05And at the moment, we're not getting that from this Labour Party that's more focused now on fighting itself,
25:09and a few weeks ago was more focused on defending Peter Mandelson than getting on and delivering for ordinary people.
25:16Vince, did you defend Peter Mandelson?
25:18No, I think I was on this sofa where I said I would never have given him a job in
25:21the first place.
25:21But I'm not the Prime Minister.
25:23The people of Kent are probably quite happy about the fact that I'm not the Prime Minister.
25:27And so from that perspective, that has been a distraction as well.
25:30There's no doubt of that.
25:31And again, it's about making sure moving forward with the King's speech and the detail in there.
25:36That's, again, goes back to that point, that really frustrating point to say,
25:39actually, I wish we spent the last 26 minutes talking about the King's speech.
25:44Instead, we're talking about the internal machinations of the Labour Party.
25:49Trish is right, there's no leadership election yet.
25:51I hope there isn't one.
25:52And if there is one, we'll see what happens.
25:55And you're back, if there's a new leader, you'll back them too.
25:58Look, no one is going to vote for me because I'm having a row with my leader.
26:01Every two minutes in Westminster.
26:03Nobody wins from that.
26:04I want to be making the best case for us here in Medway with the Prime Minister,
26:08whoever the Prime Minister is in one sense.
26:10And I think, look, Keir's got the mandate of the public.
26:13He's got a clear mandate from two years ago when Trish was elected,
26:17along with more than 400 other colleagues.
26:19And we should be getting on with the job of delivering for the people here in Medway,
26:22Kent and across the country.
26:24George, for the time we've got left, you look eager to jump in.
26:26Well, I just think this is deluded, isn't it?
26:28I mean, with this group of Labour MPs, we're not going to deliver anything.
26:31And I think time will tell exactly whether or not Andy Burnham, Angela Rayner,
26:35Wes Streeting or maybe even Trish Osborne is going to be able to lead the country forward.
26:38But we'll have to wait and see.
26:39Anything we should know, Trish?
26:40Well, I'm not planning on running for leadership.
26:43So I'm very happy on the Public Accounts Committee.
26:45But, look, I started the show with the fact that we are delivering on people's priorities,
26:50weighting this down 20% at Medway Maritime, growth in every quarter,
26:53which is going to have an impact on cost of living.
26:55We are dealing with migration, which is the biggest concern.
26:58And I have to cut you off.
26:59That's all we've got time for.
27:00Good night.
27:01See you on the Kent tonight.
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