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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:12I had a big win at the casino earlier.
00:14Faulty great!
00:15Oh, Al.
00:16I was wondering if you'd have a drink for me.
00:19I think I was raped last night.
00:21I used to put something in my drink.
00:22If he did do something, why would he drive you to a police station?
00:24Stop saying if!
00:27Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation
00:29has been closed down.
00:30It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:32So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:36He was taking me home for a fiver.
00:38I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:40The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:43If he did assault you,
00:44then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:47His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:51They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:53Just tell them not known at present.
00:56Because quite some time has passed,
00:58the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
01:03So how many times you've been out with this guy, then?
01:06Four?
01:06So pretty serious.
01:07Yeah, I like him.
01:10I have been informed, Layla,
01:11that the Crown Prosecution Service
01:13has declined to proceed with any charges.
01:16If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions,
01:19I can arrange for somebody to hand them over to you.
01:21You're going to need to hang on to them
01:22because one day you're going to need them as evidence
01:23when you realise you were wrong about me.
01:27I'd like to report a rape.
01:29He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:40Over there.
01:41He's a wee fat one.
01:42You see Mummy?
01:45Mummy, yeah.
01:46Who's that?
01:47Mummy!
01:48Hello, sweetheart.
01:49Look at that balloon.
01:51Hey, do you want her?
01:54Can I say hello to your baby brother?
01:57This is Lenny.
01:58Hello, Lenny.
01:59Can I touch him?
02:00Of course you can touch him again.
02:02Good boy.
02:06Oh, big grunts.
02:09How's it feel, Daddy?
02:12I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty.
02:16He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks lovely.
02:29You don't think...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:07Cheers.
03:10Cheers.
03:10No, no, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you.
03:15You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say, give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand, would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:11Hey.
04:13That's my husband.
04:14Who?
04:15Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24He's really wasting my fucking time tonight.
04:29My team has now taken over this investigation, and the number of attacks we are investigating
04:34has now risen to five, after further searches of our database revealed another possibly linked
04:41sexual assault in June 2005.
04:44So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning, with the object of making
04:50the women of London aware that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there
04:55driving a black cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00Or from what you've just told me, he's been doing this for a minimum of three years?
05:03So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:13Routine?
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question, why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about other girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:03No, no, no, no, no, no.
06:05Stop.
06:05You stay down there.
06:06Hmm?
06:07Really?
06:10What are you doing, huh?
06:11I'm doing that.
06:38A key information is that we believe
06:41there is a black cab driver out there
06:43tricking women passengers
06:45into drinking a glass of champagne
06:47which he has drugged
06:48and then sexually assaulting those women.
06:52Now typically he tells them
06:54he's had a win at a casino
06:55or on the lottery
06:56and that he wants them to celebrate with him.
06:59Then he offers them the champagne.
07:02Now we have linked five cases so far
07:05but we believe there are more
07:07which is why we're asking anyone
07:09who recognises this method
07:11or any method similar to this
07:12to come forward
07:14and help us identify this man.
07:16You won't believe what he said to me this time.
07:18What's he done now?
07:19I thought he was joking, right?
07:20But he says,
07:21if I bought you a ring
07:22would you move in with me?
07:23And I'm like,
07:24what type of ring?
07:25And then he says,
07:26a friendship ring.
07:28What?
07:29Exactly.
07:29I said, you can get lost, mate.
07:30A friendship ring?
07:32Do you want me to be your house, mate?
07:34Can I get veggie sausage, please?
07:35He's taking the piss, isn't he?
07:37Just the one?
07:38Yeah, thanks.
07:39Rachel.
07:41What's up?
07:44I need the supervisor.
07:47A nurse?
07:49Works at a haven centre.
07:51Now, she said she saw the sun today.
07:53And in July of last year
07:54they dealt with a girl
07:55with an almost identical story.
07:57Driver said it won big at a casino
07:59or offered a champagne
08:00that she was convinced was corrupt.
08:01Well, that's it.
08:02That's enough.
08:02Six victims.
08:04Yeah, but the important bit
08:06is the cab was caught on CCTV
08:08at a university halls of residence.
08:10We've got a name and address
08:11for the driver.
08:13John Derek Warboys.
08:15Lives in Rotherhithe.
08:20There's a nurse.
08:27There's a nurse.
08:33There's a nurse.
08:42Settings.
08:43Come on.
08:49what's all this about mate john war boys yeah i'm a police officer you come down and open the door
08:56please i've been out working all night what do you want come down and open the door
09:16what is it john derek wool boys i'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault
09:22between 2005 and 2008 you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defense if you
09:27do not mention my question something which you later rely on in court
09:35we're on the way back to something liquidy now house is being searched
09:39why didn't she flag dave the girl then has told us about yeah right i
09:44um i checked that out seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime so there's no criminal
09:50intelligence report in the system what it was only logged as a crime related incident
09:55but that's against protocol the starting point is that she should be believed
10:17so
10:28so
10:45a suspect was arrested earlier today so we are now asking any women who think they may have been
10:51attacked by this man to please come forward they may well feel that something has happened to them
10:58it might not be certain what but it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior
11:04to get in touch with us as a matter of urgency do i admit making a mistake getting into the
11:11back
11:11with her could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at
11:17me
11:20and what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared
11:24more vulnerable i would say that they will be supported that they will be listened to
11:32and that they will be believed
11:38i'd go coast me over phuket every time every time i mean both in thailand but hannah said she sold
11:44three holidays in coast me in the last fortnight what do you think of coast me yeah it's all right
11:50i'm going there next year defo love coast me me oh she's wounding me up though hannah can you order
11:58some more a4 can you get a coconut scented candle can you go out and get me a coffee at
12:02almond milk not
12:03dairy i've actually got a question to ask you hannah what's your man's bloody slave dial
12:07uh i'm sorry i think i've forgotten something you what um can you just just tell hannah i won't i
12:12won't be a minute
12:34they didn't even warn me it's him isn't it yeah yeah
12:43it is it is him it's exactly what he did to me
12:49why am i finding out about it from a newspaper oh what the fuck what the fuck am i supposed
12:55to do
13:01frankie i'm just feeding the baby are you watching the news
13:04what just turn the news on now icv one second
13:13typically he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery
13:17then he offers them a drink of champagne which he has drugged most of the women who have so far
13:24come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after drinking the champagne
13:31they uh said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver
13:34mate
13:35that's exactly how you said it happened
13:37they wouldn't listen to me
13:39i thought i was going mad
13:41i know
13:43you've got to call him sarah
13:44no
13:45i can't go through that again
13:51please just think about it
13:54i haven't even told dad what happened
13:57i was told by a friend about the story in the sun newspaper today and when i read it i
14:03knew
14:03straight away that this man had done something similar to me
14:09yes it was in july of last year
14:12i was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers
14:16didn't think a black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair
14:19that that is what was said to me
14:23look what i want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
14:28me last year
14:29can you at least tell me that please
14:32i i don't need a name
14:39okay thank you very much i've got to go now
14:46it's the same man
14:51a long time ago
14:53five years ago
14:54before i met you
14:59i was raped
15:03but nobody believed me
15:06the police didn't believe me
15:09not even connor believed me
15:14the man who did it
15:15he's done it to other women too
15:16and he's just been arrested
15:23come here
15:23um he's so sorry
15:24i don't need to cuddle
15:29they've put it behind me
15:30and that's where it's gonna stay
15:33they've asked people to come forward
15:34but i'm not going to
15:39you have to go to the police
15:41see her
15:41it's enough
15:42that i know after all these years i was right
15:47that that man did drug me
15:50he did attack me
15:53beyond that
15:55i don't want to waste any more of my life on him
16:11okay
16:12let's start with the allegations
16:14of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way
16:19how do you respond to this
16:20no comment
16:21mr warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight
16:24as is his right
16:25but he has prepared a statement
16:27which he is prepared to read out to you now
16:31okay john
16:32let's see what you have to say
16:49i am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me
16:54i have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab
16:58and i have also never administered any form of drug to a passenger
17:02also whilst in my cab
17:09i am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me
17:13and offended that anyone would think that i
17:16as a respected black cab driver
17:18would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner
17:21thank you
17:26i'm completely innocent
17:29okay john
17:31you will be detained for further questioning
17:33and we're also going to need some swabs
17:35and a dna sample from you
17:53it's been white hot all day
17:55how many link cases
17:5743
17:5943 positively linked
18:01same description
18:02same modus operandi
18:04and that number
18:05is only going to rise
18:05when the line's open again tomorrow
18:0643
18:07yeah
18:08i mean 43
18:12what is happening here
18:14here
18:1444
18:1445
18:1445
18:1446
18:1446
18:3346
18:4248
18:4348
18:4448
18:4448
18:48I just want to get it all straight in my head before I call them.
18:52A cup of tea?
18:54Yeah, please, thank you.
18:56Call me, are you?
19:02I called him a lovely man.
19:06He gave me a cigarette and I said he was a lovely man.
19:14It can't be that I fucking said that to him.
19:18You're doing the right thing.
19:25Come on.
19:29Why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man?
19:35Very sorry about that.
19:37Why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV?
19:40The answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint.
19:46It seems they only recorded it as a crime-related incident and not as a crime.
19:53So your details and the details of the complaint were never properly in the system.
19:59Right.
20:02Right.
20:05Because, you know, they didn't really believe anything that I said.
20:10I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation.
20:12Good.
20:13Because it appears that mistakes were clearly made.
20:18To be told effectively that I was lying was devastating.
20:25Do you understand that?
20:29Absolutely devastating.
20:32And I've had to live with that for the last five years.
20:38My parents were devastated when I left uni.
20:43But I've never told them, or my brothers, what happened to me.
20:49Because we're not that kind of family.
20:50So when the police, the only people that I thought would support me,
20:58turn their backs on me, that left me totally alone.
21:01Well, if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case, perhaps,
21:04there might have been a different outcome.
21:06But unfortunately, that is...
21:07Wait, wait, sorry.
21:08Um, did you...
21:11Did you just say that the CPS did not review my case?
21:17No.
21:20I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence
21:26and decided not to proceed,
21:28which is why they closed the investigation in the first place.
21:35No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
21:40The decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it.
21:48They lied to me.
21:50I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your Achieving Best Evidence video
21:55or any of the items of clothing you told us about.
21:59What?
22:00None of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been
22:02in the evidence store.
22:11I reckon they got rid of all my evidence when he was arrested
22:14because they knew it would make them look bad.
22:16I don't know if that's the case.
22:18I only hope that it isn't.
22:20Now, I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs
22:24such as Rhypnol and didn't find any.
22:25No, no, no.
22:26But they told me that they found nothing.
22:27Like I was...
22:28Like I was lying?
22:30Like I was lying about being drugged.
22:32That's...
22:32The test showed diphenhydramine,
22:34which is the active ingredient in nitro,
22:36was found in your urine.
22:38Okay, so if they'd have just...
22:41asked me,
22:42I could have told them
22:43that I've never knowingly taken that drug in my life.
22:47There were drugs in my bloodstream.
22:49Yes.
22:50Citalopram,
22:51codeine,
22:52morphine.
22:53Hang on.
22:54I've never taken citalopram,
22:56whatever it is,
22:56my bloody life.
22:58So,
22:59a prescription,
23:00antidepressant.
23:01Never taken an antidepressant.
23:03Okay.
23:03Why didn't they tell me
23:05they found these things in my blood?
23:07Why didn't they tell me?
23:11To feel like you're not being believed.
23:14And then to find out
23:16they couldn't even be bothered
23:17to do their job properly at...
23:22I can't explain to you
23:25how angry
23:28and brutalized
23:32and bewildered I feel.
23:41I would say that, um,
23:43based on just this conversation today,
23:46you might have grounds
23:47for a formal complaint.
23:49And if you like,
23:50I could give you the...
23:51the details
23:52of who to take that to.
23:55And who would that be?
23:57It's a body called the IPCC.
24:01The Independent Police Complaints Commission.
24:05Yeah, I've heard about them.
24:08I work for a firm with solicitors.
24:12The IPCC,
24:13it's made up of ex-police officers,
24:15isn't it?
24:15Yeah.
24:17So the police market
24:18their own homework.
24:21I can tell you now
24:22they'll find that nobody
24:23did anything wrong.
25:00Leila Mahmood.
25:12Leila Mahmood.
25:39Carrie Simons.
25:43Sorry.
26:01Sarah Adams.
26:23Oh, God, yeah.
26:24That's him.
26:40I was, uh,
26:41talking to Mrs Purvis today
26:43at my art class.
26:45She said her daughters
26:46decided she wants to study law.
26:49She said she warned her
26:51it's going to take
26:52many years of hard work,
26:53but
26:54the girl seems adamant.
26:57She doesn't even want
26:58to take a gap year.
27:00She's going to start
27:01in September.
27:04Admirable,
27:05don't you think?
27:12I'm going to the garden
27:13center tomorrow
27:14if you want to come, Leila.
27:16pick up a few pots
27:18for the garden.
27:19Fancy her?
27:22No, I can't.
27:24Sorry.
27:25I have to work on Saturdays.
27:29Oh.
27:30So how's things?
27:31Yeah, okay.
27:33Work?
27:34I may enjoy it
27:35rather than enjoy it.
27:36You still smoking?
27:38Er, no, I've quit.
27:41I mean, very occasionally.
27:43Hmm.
27:44I'm still trying to stop.
27:46Why?
27:47I'm just concerned
27:47about your health.
27:48Well, it's fine, isn't it?
27:50Yeah, well, that's good.
27:51That's good.
27:52But I just,
27:53I wanted to say I'm sorry.
27:56I saw the news.
27:59I know I've read the papers.
28:01I'm sorry for not believing you.
28:12Jack, go back into the kitchen
28:14and get yourself a Snickers
28:15out of the fridge.
28:16Just go into the kitchen,
28:17just take whatever you want,
28:18but just eat it in there.
28:19Yeah.
28:20Go on, mate.
28:28Sarah, I'm sorry.
28:29Like, I'm so sorry.
28:31I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women
28:36waiting to do identity parades.
28:39And...
28:40It almost killed me.
28:44All these women
28:45who'd gone through
28:45what I went through,
28:48who would have been
28:49and sped if...
28:52if they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't
28:55blame yourself.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did.
29:01I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:02Sorry.
29:09You know what?
29:10Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy,
29:15and...
29:17we've got Lenny and...
29:20I thank God every day for him.
29:26But I should have still been here, Connor.
29:30Living with you.
29:32Jack should have been living
29:32with his mum and dad.
29:36It should have been your wife.
29:39I loved you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:56But thank you for your apology.
29:59I accept it.
30:05Jack?
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:18See you on Monday.
30:20See you later, mate.
30:46We're going to proceed in court
30:47with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
30:49The 14.
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
31:04Okay.
31:04We want you to be one of the 14.
31:07And give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me?
31:11But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection
31:23of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence
31:32about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drugged,
31:36will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
32:00Oh, shit.
32:02Oh, shit.
32:05Oh, shit.
32:12Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
32:15The plan is that 14 of the women
32:17are going to speak in court.
32:20But they won't be asking you to testify.
32:26Why?
32:27Well, the thing is, you...
32:28You didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
32:33It'd been a long time,
32:34and he looked really different with me that night.
32:37And because so much evidence from your case
32:39has been lost...
32:40Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
32:45It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
32:52That's hard.
32:54Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye
32:56and tell everybody what he did to me.
33:00I wanted to have my moment in court.
33:04I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
33:06yeah, I'm sending you to prison
33:07because that's where you belong.
33:11I know.
33:12I'm sorry, Sarah.
33:14Sometimes in these...
33:15these big cases,
33:16it's easy to overwhelm the jury.
33:19So the strategy is to...
33:21to stick to the offences
33:23where we've been able to collect
33:24the most comprehensive evidence.
33:28And 14, is that enough?
33:30Well, the CPS are confident
33:32that this will give the trial judge
33:34enough ammunition to put him away for a long, long time.
33:44Mr. Warboys freely admits
33:46a good deal of the circumstances
33:48surrounding these events.
33:50For instance,
33:51he has always actively sought
33:54to engage female passengers
33:56in conversation in his taxi cab.
33:59banter, as he calls it.
34:01And he sometimes did this
34:03by telling them,
34:05falsely,
34:06that he had won money that night
34:08through gambling
34:09and by showing them a bag
34:11filled with cash.
34:12But he says this was simply
34:14a conversation starter
34:16and his objective was not sexual.
34:18It was simply female company.
34:21It was an icebreaker
34:23in that respect.
34:25He is adamant
34:26that any sexual contact
34:28between him and any woman
34:30in his taxi was consensual,
34:33that it was non-penetrative
34:35and that it was initiated
34:37by those women.
34:44No, I don't remember
34:45feeling scared that night.
34:47You didn't feel threatened
34:48by Mr. Warboys?
34:50No, I actually thought
34:51he came across
34:52as sort of pathetic.
34:53Not some sort of
34:54predatory monster,
34:55just a normal taxi driver
34:57engaging in some banter with you.
35:01I actually think
35:02that harmless demeanor
35:04is what makes him so dangerous.
35:06Precisely because
35:07he puts you off guard
35:08as he hands over his drinks
35:09from the front.
35:10He's like a professional con man.
35:14It's clear,
35:15would you agree,
35:16that your daughter
35:17had been drinking that night?
35:18A few drinks, correct.
35:21So I put it to you
35:22that it's reasonable
35:23to assume that she was intoxicated?
35:26I've never seen her intoxicated.
35:29She rarely drinks alcohol.
35:31She was in distress.
35:33She was insensible.
35:35She was like a rag doll.
35:37There was something else
35:38in her system.
35:39She was vomiting continuously.
35:43You don't get like she was
35:44that night
35:45just from a few drinks.
35:57I swear by Allah
35:58that the evidence
35:59I shall give
36:00shall be the truth,
36:01the whole truth,
36:02and nothing but the truth.
36:09Two large glasses
36:11of red wine.
36:14Yes.
36:15And you drank those
36:16and then you go to the toilet
36:18and you are sick.
36:21Yes.
36:22I...
36:22I sometimes get nauseous
36:24when I'm on my period.
36:26But that was not
36:27going to deter you
36:28from your plans
36:29for that evening
36:29and you went back
36:30to your friends
36:31and carried on as normal.
36:33In your statement,
36:34you say you then had
36:35two vodkas
36:36and lemonade.
36:40And did your drinking
36:41stop there?
36:43Or did you have
36:44rather more to drink
36:45that night
36:46than you've told us about?
36:48Not that I remember.
36:50Shortly after you
36:50got into his taxi,
36:51Mr. Warboys
36:52handed you a glass
36:54of something bubbly.
36:56Maybe champagne
36:57or something like that.
36:59And you drank that too?
37:03Yes.
37:05Why?
37:06Because he
37:08forced me to.
37:10He wouldn't take
37:11no for an answer.
37:12Oh, but he's driving.
37:13He's in the front
37:14of the cab.
37:14Yes, but he just...
37:16He kept persisting
37:17and persisting
37:18and persisting.
37:19But he can't actually
37:19force you to drink it,
37:21can he?
37:21Well, he forced me
37:22to take the pill.
37:23We'll come to that
37:24in a minute.
37:24My question to you
37:25is why you felt
37:26you had to drink
37:27that champagne
37:28when you were
37:28not obliged to.
37:33Because
37:37he wouldn't take
37:38no for an answer.
37:39Or is the reality
37:40that he was being
37:41a very chatty
37:42and personable
37:43taxi driver
37:44engaging in some
37:45banter with you
37:46who'd offered you
37:47a drink
37:48and which you had
37:49accepted and drank
37:50perfectly happily?
37:52No.
37:54You say
37:55you remember him
37:56getting into
37:57the back of the cab
37:58with pills in his hand
38:00and that he forced
38:01one into your mouth,
38:02right?
38:03Yes.
38:04And what are you
38:05doing to resist?
38:09Well, I'm
38:12trying to
38:14move him
38:15away from me.
38:16So you were
38:17perfectly able
38:18to struggle
38:18and resist?
38:19Yeah.
38:20But you don't
38:21mention struggling
38:22and resisting
38:22in your police
38:23statement.
38:28well, if it's not
38:29there, it's not
38:31there, but I was
38:32I was feeling
38:33quite drowsy
38:35after he made
38:35me drink the
38:36champagne.
38:36And after the pill
38:37went down, your mind
38:38is pretty much
38:40straight away
38:41a blank
38:42thereafter.
38:43Yes.
38:45So we really are
38:46in the realms of
38:47almost instant
38:48unconsciousness.
38:52Yes, that's right.
38:53Well, I suggest
38:54to you that you'd
38:55already consumed
38:56a large amount
38:56of alcohol
38:57before you got
38:58in Mr. Warboy's
38:59taxi, and that
39:00he did not give
39:00you a pill
39:01or force it
39:02down your throat.
39:03Do you disagree
39:03with me?
39:04Yes.
39:05And you can't
39:06make up your mind
39:07whether you could
39:08or couldn't
39:08fight him off
39:09or did or didn't
39:10have a lot to drink
39:11or pretty much
39:11anything else
39:12that night
39:12because you
39:13were so
39:14intoxicated.
39:29Layla,
39:30I just want
39:31to thank you
39:31for giving evidence.
39:32I don't think
39:33there's any doubt
39:34he'll be found
39:34guilty.
39:36I thought you
39:36held up really
39:36well in there.
39:38Did you?
39:39Yeah.
39:41Yeah, it was
39:41tough.
39:43Layla, can I
39:44get you anything,
39:44a cup of tea?
39:45No, thanks.
39:46I'd just like
39:46to go home.
39:47I'm Debbie
39:48from the police
39:48press office.
39:50I just wondered
39:51if you'd consider
39:51waiving your
39:52anonymity and
39:53providing us
39:53with some
39:54media interviews.
39:55What?
39:56We just thought
39:57if someone could
39:58stand up,
39:59someone articulate
39:59like yourself
40:00and talk about
40:01what had happened
40:01to you,
40:02this might encourage
40:03more women
40:04to come forward.
40:04No.
40:05No, I can't
40:06do that.
40:07I'm sorry.
40:08You've got the
40:09wrong person.
40:10Sorry.
40:27Hi, I'm sorry.
40:28I'm Sarah.
40:29Do I know you?
40:30I've been through
40:31exactly what you've
40:31been through.
40:33Have you got time
40:34for a coffee?
40:36I wanted to punch
40:38that fucking barrister
40:39in his stupid face.
40:42Like, why is it
40:43okay for him
40:45to make out
40:45I'm a liar?
40:46He was going
40:47through every
40:47tiny thing
40:48in your statement
40:49in minute detail
40:50just trying to find
40:50some little thing
40:51to pick away at.
40:52Why is that
40:53still happening?
40:54I was raging too,
40:55just watching.
40:56What is the point
40:57of this farce?
40:57He's fucking guilty.
41:00You know,
41:00I've been looking
41:00into bringing
41:01a complaint
41:02against the police
41:02for the way
41:03they treated us.
41:04and with me
41:05there was so much
41:06stuff that they
41:06missed out
41:07in the first few
41:07weeks.
41:08It was just
41:08ridiculous.
41:10Yeah, but it's
41:11their own disciplinary
41:11people, isn't it?
41:13What's the point?
41:14I'm not talking
41:15about going
41:15through the IPCC.
41:17I want to make
41:17some proper noise.
41:19I'm looking
41:20into suing them.
41:21Suing?
41:23Yeah.
41:24There's a lawyer
41:25I've been put
41:26in touch with
41:26who might be
41:28prepared to take
41:28it on.
41:29She's called
41:30Harriet Wistrich.
41:31She's got a great
41:31reputation.
41:34But I can't
41:35do it by myself.
41:36I had a quick
41:37chat with her
41:37and she said
41:38it'd be a much
41:39stronger case
41:39if there was
41:40someone else
41:40who had been
41:41through the same
41:41thing.
41:42So you're asking
41:44do I want to sue
41:46the police
41:47with you?
41:48Well, yeah.
41:51You don't have
41:52to make a decision.
41:53Yes.
41:54What?
41:55Yes.
41:56Let's sue
41:57the bastards.
41:58Oh.
41:59Great.
42:00Yeah.
42:20You developed
42:21and perfected
42:23a web of deceit
42:25that was sufficient
42:26to ensnare
42:27young, intelligent
42:28and sensible women
42:30who had enjoyed
42:31a night out
42:32and whose only mistake
42:33as it turned out
42:34was to get into
42:36your cab
42:36late at night.
42:39There is no doubt
42:40that you continue
42:41to constitute
42:42a significant risk
42:43of serious harm
42:44through the commission
42:45of further offenses.
42:48I therefore
42:49pass down on you
42:50an indeterminate
42:51sentence of imprisonment
42:52for public protection
42:54with a minimum
42:55custodial term
42:56of eight years.
43:14I wouldn't worry
43:15about the eight years.
43:17As I understand it,
43:18the judge had to
43:19give a number,
43:19but a parole board
43:21still has to decide
43:22if it's safe to release him
43:23when I can't see
43:24that happening.
43:25Eight years did
43:26spook me a bit.
43:28Yeah, he's not getting out.
43:30Anyway, Carrie,
43:31thanks for agreeing
43:32to do some interviews.
43:33I think if someone
43:35like yourself,
43:36someone so articulate
43:37can stand up,
43:38then it will encourage
43:39more women to come forward.
43:40I'm nervous,
43:40but if it gives others
43:41a voice,
43:42it seems like
43:42the right thing to do.
43:44Thanks again.
43:45Yeah.
43:45I'll start to get
43:46some things set up,
43:47okay?
43:47Okay.
43:48Thanks, Carrie.
43:50What have you got to do?
43:52Oh, just some interviews
43:53about what happened to me.
43:54They need someone
43:54to waive their anonymity
43:56and be a focal point.
43:57My goodness,
43:58do you think
43:58that's a good idea?
43:59You're so young.
44:00Do you want this
44:01hanging over you?
44:02What?
44:04They said it's important
44:05that more people
44:05come forward.
44:09I'm just sick of us
44:10all being on the back foot,
44:12Mum.
44:16Could he really
44:16get out that soon?
44:18Because the thought
44:19of him ever being released
44:20terrifies me.
44:21Me too.
44:21Well, theoretically, yes.
44:24After eight years,
44:25he could apply for parole,
44:26but in order to do that,
44:29he'd first have to admit
44:29to what he's done.
44:30And his position
44:31has consistently been
44:33that he is
44:34totally innocent.
44:35Oh, so not just a psycho,
44:37a fake psycho.
44:38So his position is
44:39105 women have all
44:41just made it all up.
44:42It's up to 105 now.
44:44Well, I was told
44:45the actual number
44:46might be nearer 500.
44:48Is that correct?
44:49That's what the police said.
44:51So what do you think, Harriet?
44:53There's potentially
44:54hundreds of women
44:55out there
44:55who have suffered
44:56needlessly
44:56because the police
44:57didn't do their job properly.
44:59They shouldn't be allowed
45:00to get away
45:00with what they've done.
45:01Well,
45:02neither of you
45:03qualifies for legal aid,
45:05so you're asking me
45:06to take this on
45:06on a no-win,
45:07no-fee basis?
45:09Afraid we are, yeah.
45:12Okay.
45:13Firstly,
45:14the problem is
45:15you can't sue the police
45:16for negligence.
45:17Why not?
45:18The law states that
45:19if they could be sued,
45:20they wouldn't be able
45:20to do their jobs properly
45:21because they'd always
45:21be looking over the shoulder
45:22waiting for the next writ.
45:24It's just how the law is,
45:25I'm afraid.
45:28But my advice
45:29would be to pursue this
45:30under the Human Rights Act
45:32and argue that
45:33the police's actions...
45:34Or inactions.
45:35Or inactions.
45:37Infringed on your right
45:38to not be subjected
45:39to inhuman
45:40or degrading treatment.
45:42Well,
45:42that exactly describes
45:44what happened to us.
45:45Yes.
45:46The only problem is
45:47is that it's never
45:48been done before.
45:50And, um,
45:51in your case, Sarah,
45:52there is a statute
45:53of limitations issue.
45:55You must take
45:55an action within one year
45:56and it's been five years
45:58since the police
45:58investigated your case.
46:00And in your case,
46:01Leila,
46:01they could argue that
46:02however ineffective
46:03their initial investigation was,
46:04they did ultimately
46:06arrest the correct man.
46:08Shall we close the door
46:09on the way out, then?
46:10But the first thing
46:11I would do
46:12is I would contact
46:13the police
46:14and declare our intentions.
46:16Now,
46:16they will jump up and down
46:17and tell us
46:18we don't have a legal leg
46:19to stand on
46:19and that we're out of time,
46:20but they will have
46:21to disclose to us
46:23statements
46:24and other evidence
46:25and I'm betting
46:27that will throw up
46:28some pretty
46:30interesting stuff.
46:33We'll see you next time.
46:34We'll see you next time.
46:56We'll see you next time.
46:56We'll see you next time.
46:56We'll see you next time.
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