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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 4
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00:11John Derrick Warboys, I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008, but they won't
00:18be asking you to testify.
00:20I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me. I wanted to
00:25have my moment in court.
00:26Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly, and you drank that too.
00:32Because he forced me to. He's like a professional con man.
00:36You continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm. I therefore pass down on you a minimum custodial term
00:44of eight years.
00:46I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence.
00:51No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
00:55They lied to me.
00:57Why didn't she flag Dave?
00:58Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime. It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
01:03You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
01:07So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
01:11My advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act.
01:14The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
01:17Eight years did spook me a bit.
01:19Yeah, he's not getting out.
01:20After eight years, he could apply for parole.
01:22In order to do that, he'd first have to admit to what he's done.
01:36So this is where you'll be working?
01:38Everybody!
01:39This is Carrie Simmons, who's joining the comms team today.
01:42Hey.
01:43Hello.
01:43Hi.
01:43Oh, it's actually, it's Simon's.
01:47And this is Cherry, your new neighbour.
01:50Hi.
01:51I'll leave you to it.
02:10Carrie.
02:11Yeah?
02:12Sorry.
02:12I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but aren't you the girl who was a victim of that
02:17black cab guy?
02:20The rapist.
02:23Not sure about victim, but yes, I did do some interviews about it.
02:29I understand a lot of women came forward after that, but you have sort of put yourself out there now
02:34as like, that girl.
02:39Oh, well, I, I learnt a lot from that experience about how, you know, the media operates, so hopefully I'm
02:49a bit savvier now.
02:50Hmm.
03:07So, I printed you both a document of all the materials we've received from the Met.
03:12And as predicted, they were mightily pissed off at having to hand it over, and they even said that they
03:17had no desire in the current financial climate to spend disproportionate sums defending a claim that was many years out
03:25of date and legally had no prospect of success.
03:29Well, they can fuck right off.
03:31I couldn't have said it any better myself.
03:34Okay, so, as predicted, the IPCC investigations into both of your cases find the complaints are not substantiated, and the
03:42most serious disciplinary action that they recommended was a few written warnings.
03:47What about telling me that the CPS had reviewed my case when it hadn't?
03:54A genuine mistake.
03:56Okay, and what about not telling me that they found the drugs that he used to sedate me in my
04:02bloodstream?
04:03They actually do find that largely substantiated, but they, they do want to note that the investigating officer at the
04:09time had, um, a heavy workload.
04:12What?
04:13We now know that they didn't search Warboy's house when he was first arrested.
04:17I was told that they did, and that they didn't find anything incriminating.
04:21But actually, the most incredible revelation is of the CCTV footage of you leaving the club that night.
04:29They said that there was no sign of me on the footage.
04:33That's because they were looking at the wrong night.
04:35The 27th.
04:37Not the 26th.
04:38If they had the correct date, they would have seen that you'd left the club at 2am, and they would
04:42have known that Warboy's was lying when he said he picked you up at 3.50.
04:46The initial investigation didn't even analyse your mobile phone data, which would have confirmed when you got into his cab
04:53and where he took you.
04:56It's like a joke.
04:58I'm guessing it doesn't get any funnier for me.
05:00No.
05:01Because almost all the allegations in your case, they say, are not proven.
05:04You saying that you weren't believed?
05:05Not proven?
05:07Being told not to show emotion in your interview?
05:09Well, DC Stevens even denies ever saying that to you, so it's your word against his.
05:13The only concession is that they agree that the guy living in your old flat, Billy Houghton, should have been
05:20interviewed.
05:21And to cap it all off, they've released a statement saying that they have improved training and changed procedures so
05:28that none of this will ever happen again.
05:31It's what they always do.
05:32So, what do we do?
05:35Because, to be honest, this is only making me even more determined.
05:38Yeah, same.
05:39We need somebody who's going to take this on for us in court.
05:41And I have somebody in mind.
05:44A really top barrister.
05:49I've met this guy.
05:52Tell me more.
05:55It was an arranged thing.
05:57My mum insisted on it.
06:00I actually think she would have kicked me out onto the street if I hadn't agreed to it.
06:04What's his name?
06:05What's he like?
06:08He's quite nice, actually.
06:11Arham.
06:13You're a good Muslim boy.
06:15He wore cream chinos.
06:18Good looking.
06:21Not bad.
06:23Are you going to see him again?
06:27I don't know.
06:31I just keep thinking...
06:35What's the point?
06:38I haven't even told my family about what happened to me.
06:41I certainly...
06:43I couldn't tell him.
06:48It's like...
06:51I feel like...
06:55I feel like nobody would want me if they knew.
07:02You know, at some point, you're going to have to talk about it.
07:05And not just with me.
07:08You know, I tried that with Gav at first.
07:11Keeping it all buried, worrying about what you think of me.
07:16It's exhausting.
07:19I couldn't do it anymore.
07:22I realised I had to come to terms with what happened to me, and so I thought, fuck it.
07:26I'm going to tell you whether you want to hear it or not for my sake.
07:31And Gav's not perfect.
07:33I'm sure he'd say I'm not easy to live with either, but...
07:38But to be fair, since I told him, he's been nothing but supportive.
07:45So, maybe give Cream Geno's a chance.
07:55You see, the problem I've got with this programme you're talking about is I would have to tell the truth.
08:00I can't just sit here and tell you lies, sir.
08:04The last thing we want in a treatment programme is for you to lie.
08:10It's just not in me.
08:11So, why don't we begin with you talking about the offences for which you've been convicted?
08:15Well, that's the problem, because I didn't do anything.
08:18I'm an innocent man.
08:21And that's your position?
08:22As far as I'm concerned, any encounters were consensual.
08:25It was all just a bit of harmless fun.
08:28And as for drugging them, that's complete nonsense.
08:34See, I shouldn't be in here, and that's the truth.
08:40I know you no longer call yourself John Warboys.
08:43You now call yourself John Radford.
08:45Where is that?
08:47It's very simple.
08:50The name Warboys is dirt, innit?
08:54Because of what those women said about me, because of their false accusations.
08:58I can't even call myself by my own name anymore.
09:05How is that fair?
09:18It's really late.
09:19Why not give it a rest and pick it up again tomorrow, eh?
09:21That police officer who first looked into my case, DC Stevens,
09:24I kept asking him to talk to Billy Houghton,
09:26the guy that lived in my old flat, because he saw Warboys that night.
09:29Stephen says here that I was reluctant for him to talk to Billy.
09:33What an arsehole.
09:35That's such absolute bollocks.
09:38It says here he has never had any specialist training
09:41for investigations into rape or sexual assault,
09:44and in fact, no training at all since 1989.
09:49I'll see you in the morning.
09:53Don't be too long.
10:03Come!
10:05Ladies, can I introduce you to Philippa Kaufman?
10:11Philippa, this is Sarah, and this is Layla.
10:14Very pleased to meet you.
10:15Hi.
10:15Welcome.
10:16Now, we're about to go in with the police's lawyers
10:19for what's called a structured settlement discussion.
10:22Basically, can we resolve this without going to court?
10:24Is there a non-financial remedy we can explore,
10:27such as a public apology to you?
10:29Can I just ask, is that a possibility?
10:31A public apology from them?
10:32Not a count's chance in hell, I'm afraid,
10:34but it may help our case later on
10:37if we can at least say we tried.
10:39Right.
10:40Ladies, follow me.
10:51Twenty-nine women were attacked by war boys
10:56after he attacked me,
10:57before he was finally arrested.
11:01Twenty-nine.
11:03Those are all individual lives messed up
11:07that didn't need to be.
11:10And those are just the women that we know about.
11:14I mean, there are almost certainly more
11:16who never reported what happened to them.
11:19I was disbelieved and humiliated,
11:21and I don't believe the police
11:24have sufficiently been held to account.
11:26I think the impact of what the police did to me
11:28was worse than the actual rape itself.
11:32Like Layla, I continue to live with a sense of guilt
11:35for all the women that came after me.
11:37Even though I know it's not my fault,
11:40I asked myself,
11:41could I have done more to stop him?
11:43I'm shocked that you won't just admit liability.
11:47The fact that you are fighting this
11:51makes me feel like you still don't believe me.
11:55The police's position is that,
11:58whilst we are, of course,
12:00sympathetic to the undoubted trauma
12:02you have both suffered,
12:04we do not admit any liability
12:06on the part of the Metropolitan Police.
12:08We believe the investigation
12:10into the crimes of John Warboys
12:12was reasonable,
12:13ultimately successful.
12:15Successful?
12:16It took you five years
12:18to work out these attacks were linked.
12:20Year after year,
12:21you've left to roam the streets
12:22and attack other women
12:23when you should have been locked up.
12:30What we would like to do, however,
12:32is to invite you both
12:33to attend a police training program,
12:35present your experiences to the attendees.
12:38The hope is that this would be educational
12:41and beneficial to both sides.
12:44Right.
12:45I think we're down here, ladies.
12:47Harriet.
12:51Fucking training program.
12:53Shh.
12:58Okay, now you can talk.
13:00They've got two hopes of us
13:01talking to this load of trainee policemen
13:03about what happened to us.
13:04Bob hope and no fucking hope,
13:05and you can tell them that from me.
13:07What a patronizing load of all bullshit.
13:10Ladies,
13:11I think we're going to get along
13:12just fine.
13:22I think we're going to get along just fine.
13:42Where's DC Stevens?
13:44It appears the Met
13:45are not going to call him to give evidence.
13:47What?
13:48I suspect that they think
13:49he'll be so undermining to their case
13:51that they want to keep him away at all costs.
13:53Now, the problem is,
13:54if we call him,
13:55we won't be able to cross-examine him
13:57because in cases like this,
13:59that's the rule.
14:00So he won't have to give an account
14:02of himself in court?
14:05I'm sorry.
14:15I'm sorry.
14:16NBV told us that
14:18even after she'd been sick in the toilet,
14:20she still carried on drinking.
14:22Did this have an impact
14:25on your assessment of NBV?
14:27The CCTV footage
14:29of her falling over at the campus
14:31was entirely consistent
14:32with the actions of someone
14:33who had had too much to drink that night.
14:35I thought the whole thing
14:37was odd.
14:39I thought it was odd
14:40that an educated girl
14:42would accept a drink from a stranger
14:43in those circumstances.
14:46DSD told us she had taken
14:47some cocaine with her friends,
14:49and this showed up subsequently
14:50in her blood tests.
14:51Had she also drunk alcohol
14:54that evening
14:55before getting into Warboy's cab?
14:57Well, her friends told us
14:58they'd put her into the cab
14:59after their night out
15:00because she was so out of it.
15:04My conclusion was
15:05that DSD had not sustained
15:07any specific psychiatric injury
15:09as a consequence of the rape.
15:11She had, however,
15:12suffered a depressive episode
15:13as a consequence
15:14of how she'd been dealt with
15:15by the police.
15:17Well, following the assault,
15:20NBV developed symptoms
15:21of post-traumatic stress disorder,
15:23including nightmares,
15:25intrusive imagery,
15:26flashbacks,
15:28avoidance,
15:29anxiety and depression,
15:31poor concentration
15:31and social withdrawal.
15:34She still suffers
15:35from moderate to severe symptoms.
15:37She can be tearful
15:38and experiences mood swings.
15:41And she suffers
15:42from continuing sexual aversion.
15:45and a lack
15:46of sexual enjoyment.
15:54Are you aware,
15:56Inspector Underwood,
15:57of a guide
15:58which outlines
15:59the Met's
15:59standard operating procedures
16:01for investigative techniques
16:03in rape
16:04and sexual assault cases?
16:06I am aware of it, yes.
16:08It lays out detailed steps
16:10and considerations
16:11to be followed
16:11from a starting point
16:13of treating
16:14the victim's account
16:16as truthful,
16:17does it not?
16:19I don't know.
16:22Why not, may I ask?
16:24I just can't recall it
16:25in any detail.
16:26As a member
16:26of one of the Met's
16:28Sapphire teams,
16:30which are
16:30specialist rape
16:32and sexual assault
16:33investigation units,
16:34I find that
16:35quite an extraordinary
16:36thing for you to say.
16:38In my opinion,
16:39it's not something
16:39I consider practical
16:40to apply to each
16:41and every case.
16:43To this case?
16:46I think these policies
16:47are fine in theory,
16:49but they're not always
16:50applicable to
16:51day-to-day policing.
16:53Then why have they
16:54been set out
16:54by the Met
16:55as their guidelines?
16:58I think they have
17:00been created purely
17:02to protect the police
17:03from legal challenges.
17:05If a case is not
17:06classified as a
17:07serious sexual assault,
17:09then details of
17:09the investigation
17:10are not entered
17:11into the criminal
17:11intelligence computer
17:12database, are they?
17:15No.
17:17Meaning, no closing
17:18report would need
17:19to be done, would it?
17:20No.
17:21Is that a good thing?
17:22Honestly,
17:24an opportunity
17:25to not have to do
17:25one would be
17:26taken gladly.
17:28Was there a drive
17:29from your superiors
17:31at Borough Management
17:32to disprove
17:33allegations of
17:34rape and sexual
17:35assault?
17:37Yes.
17:38Why was that?
17:40Because if an
17:41allegation can be
17:42legally disproved,
17:43then it would
17:44improve detection rates.
17:45So junior officers
17:46were effectively
17:47encouraged not to
17:48pursue allegations
17:49of rape and sexual
17:50assault, and instead
17:50to focus on other
17:51crimes, such as
17:52burglary,
17:53which were easier
17:54to clear up.
17:54Is that right?
17:57Broadly speaking,
17:58yes.
18:00Coming now,
18:01DC Coldham,
18:02specifically to the
18:03case NBV.
18:04Even though her
18:05case bore all the
18:06hallmarks of a drug
18:06facilitated sexual
18:07assault, she was not
18:08treated as such,
18:09was she?
18:10Personally, I
18:11believed her account,
18:12but I knew there
18:13was no prospect of
18:14the case being reopened
18:15once the forensic and
18:16toxicology results had
18:17come back as
18:18inconclusive.
18:18even though there
18:19were still many
18:20important leads
18:21still to be
18:21followed up.
18:22Yes.
18:23So under pressure
18:24from on high,
18:26her case was not
18:27recorded as a
18:27serious sexual assault,
18:29supervision from more
18:30senior officers did
18:31not occur, and her
18:32case was not entered
18:33into the databases?
18:35No.
18:35And the case was
18:36cleared up in three
18:37months.
18:38No case closure
18:39report, no detailed
18:41report entered into
18:42the system, and the
18:43borough's clear-up rate
18:44was thereby improved
18:45since the case was
18:46not left as
18:47unsolved.
18:49Like I say, that
18:51was the situation
18:52at the time.
19:03Thanks.
19:04I can't believe you're
19:05still waiting on a
19:06judgment.
19:07Well, this one'll be
19:08born before we hear.
19:09So, how's life then?
19:12I'll be honest, things
19:13are not great with Gav.
19:14Hmm?
19:15It's me.
19:16It's pushed me away.
19:17I know I do.
19:19I just find it so hard
19:21to really let go
19:23emotionally, you know?
19:25He's always been
19:25pretty understanding
19:26though, hasn't he?
19:27Yeah, and he still is.
19:30Sexy shit.
19:32I hate being naked.
19:36I actually hate opening
19:37my fucking legs,
19:38to be honest with you.
19:40Must be like going to
19:41bed with a slab of
19:42marble.
19:43At least he got you
19:44pregnant.
19:45Yeah, I got a bit
19:46of junk that night,
19:46which helped.
19:49Let's just say,
19:50it wasn't entirely
19:51planned.
19:51I got a bit of a
19:54I got a bit of a
19:56love for Jesus.
19:59The strife will not
20:01be long.
20:03This day the noise of
20:05battle
20:07protects the
20:09winter's song.
20:11To him
20:13you'll overcome
20:15a crown of blood
20:18shall be.
20:20He with the
20:22gains of glory
20:24shall ring
20:27eternally.
20:30Let us pray.
20:33Lord, comfort and heal
20:35all those who suffer
20:37in body, mind, or spirit.
20:38Give them courage and hope
20:40in their troubles,
20:40and bring them joy and
20:42salvation.
20:43In your mercy.
20:44Lord, hear our prayer.
20:47That those who face
20:48difficult times will find
20:49the strength to prevail.
20:51In your mercy.
20:52Lord, hear our prayer.
20:54For the grace this week
20:55to live by faith in
20:57every circumstance of life.
20:59In your mercy.
21:01Lord, hear our prayer.
21:03Lord, hear our prayer.
21:08Hello.
21:09Hello, Sarah.
21:11Hi.
21:12Hey, what's happening?
21:14I've just got off the phone
21:14to Harriet.
21:15The judge said there was
21:17clear evidence that I had
21:18suffered significant harm
21:21over a long period
21:22and with you.
21:23But for the failures of the
21:25police, you wouldn't have
21:27been raped at all.
21:30We won.
21:31No way.
21:33We won.
21:34And they've awarded me
21:3622 grand and you 19.
21:40Fuck.
21:42I'm like, I'm...
21:44I can't...
21:45I'm...
21:45Harriet said she's
21:46sure they'll appeal,
21:47but we should enjoy today.
21:53I'm glad you picked up.
21:55So, tell me.
21:57Did he ask the question?
21:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:00Yeah, I said yeah.
22:02Layla.
22:03I was so happy for you.
22:05Yeah, mom and dad
22:06are throwing us a party.
22:07It's...
22:08All right.
22:09Well, go enjoy it, lovely.
22:11We'll go for a coffee soon.
22:13Yeah.
22:14Yeah, and I can meet
22:14your new baby.
22:16Yeah.
22:17All right, I'll see you soon, yeah.
22:18Okay, see you soon.
22:32There you are.
22:35You okay?
22:37The happy twos.
22:44They're all waiting in the garden.
22:48Okay.
22:50Just one sec.
22:52Mm-hmm.
23:14I love you.
23:40I am Dr. Crisati,
23:42a consultant,
23:44clinical and forensic psychologist,
23:46and I'm here,
23:48Mr. Radford,
23:49to review your progress.
23:51Okay.
23:53Mm-hmm.
23:58Well, I told the other psychologist
24:00that I met recently
24:01that...
24:04the time had come
24:05for me to change my stance.
24:08I've withdrawn my application
24:09with the Criminal Cases Review Commission
24:11to overturn my convictions,
24:12and I've decided to accept
24:14full responsibility
24:15for all my offences.
24:19Can I ask what has brought about
24:21this change of heart?
24:23Him.
24:26Up there.
24:27The Lord Jesus Christ
24:29has shown me the way.
24:35I felt so guilty.
24:36I didn't know who to speak to.
24:39And then I found religion,
24:40and I decided that, you know,
24:42if I'm going to follow the Lord,
24:43I've got to be honest
24:45and admit to what I've done.
24:50Let's talk about what happened.
25:02I always felt guilty
25:03about my offences.
25:07Yeah, but to begin with,
25:08I maintained some hope
25:09that my convictions
25:10would be overturned
25:11and I might be released.
25:14But I can see now
25:16that this is unrealistic,
25:17and so I've decided
25:19to use this as a motivation
25:21for me to take responsibility
25:23for what I've done.
25:28You know, to let these women
25:29know how sorry I am.
25:36And to be honest, you know,
25:40and talk about everything.
25:47I hope that they will be okay
25:49and get on with their lives.
25:51I really do.
25:54I'm sorry, can I get a tissue?
25:59Sorry.
26:02Do you think you're ready
26:03to start the sexual offenders
26:06treatment programme?
26:10That's what he's telling me.
26:15I'm sorry.
26:27How are you both?
26:31We'll get them on to sleep,
26:33but yeah, we're good.
26:36I'm going to make some tea.
26:39Shh, shh, shh, shh.
26:44House is looking smart.
26:58You know, I only ever wanted
27:00the best for you.
27:03Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
27:07She's so beautiful.
27:12You know, I only ever wanted
27:14the best for you.
27:16Hm?
27:17You know that?
27:19I know.
27:21I know.
27:24Adam is a good man.
27:27Yeah.
27:30He is.
27:48You got knocked back, then?
27:51On your parole?
27:57I told him about finding God.
28:01I put me hands up to it all.
28:03Told him how remorseful I am.
28:07That'll only get you so far, mate.
28:09In my experience, you need to give him a reason.
28:12What do you mean?
28:14A reason why you started doing what you were doing
28:16in the first place.
28:17You can't do that.
28:18They're never going to believe
28:20that you know how to stop.
28:25She was an old girlfriend, you know.
28:27I don't really want to talk about her.
28:29I mean, can I?
28:31You know, talk about someone
28:32completely innocent.
28:34Whoever this person is,
28:36they can be anonymised
28:37in any reports.
28:42Well, she left me.
28:45When was this?
28:46Well, it was about, uh,
28:48summer's time, 2005.
28:52And I was really cut up about it.
28:54You know, and then we were sort of on off and...
28:58And then I remember about a year later,
29:00she phoned me
29:01and asked me to come and pick her up
29:03and take her back to mine.
29:04And I was excited about this.
29:06But when I got to this bar,
29:08she was absolutely hammered.
29:10They're totally drunk.
29:13All I could do was
29:14take her home to her mum's.
29:16And I was on me own again.
29:18I kept absolutely furious.
29:32That night, I went looking for someone.
29:36That would have been the first one.
29:38That was around
29:40September, October, 2006.
29:46And then it just grew from there.
29:48The truth was,
29:49I only gave them half a tablet
29:51because I didn't want to do them too much harm.
29:56And then when they were out of it,
29:57I'd just...
30:01touch their leg or
30:03look up their skirts.
30:04I sort of...
30:07played with myself.
30:08I only actually
30:10put my penis
30:11inside one of them.
30:15That's all.
30:17Maybe...
30:20four seconds?
30:21I mean, I don't blame her,
30:23my ex, you know.
30:24I take
30:25full responsibility
30:26for me actions.
30:31I can see now
30:32that that was the trigger.
30:38Do you want cereal or toast?
30:41Uh...
30:42Toast, please.
30:44There you go.
30:45You take that.
30:48Hey!
30:48Oh, no!
30:49Gee!
30:49It's toast falling!
30:50Hey!
30:54Hi!
30:55Hi!
30:56Hi!
30:56Hi!
30:57Hi!
30:57Hi!
30:58Hi!
30:58Hi!
31:00Hi!
31:08Hi!
31:09Hi!
31:10Hi!
31:14Hi!
31:14Hi!
31:19It can't be true!
31:21It's the same as before.
31:22We just find out about it
31:23from the telly.
31:24They all said
31:25they were confident
31:25they wouldn't get out of prison.
31:27It's bullshit!
31:29It's just
31:29more fucking
31:30bullshit!
31:31I can't think
31:31he's attacked
31:32over a hundred women.
31:34I...
31:34How can anyone
31:35think it's safe
31:36to let him
31:37back out
31:38on the streets?
31:39Because we are not
31:40allowed to know
31:41the reasoning,
31:42the biggest problem
31:43we have
31:43is trying to understand
31:45why they approved this.
31:46Because they live on Mars?
31:48But why
31:49weren't we
31:50even consulted?
31:51Because the system
31:52doesn't take into account
31:53the views of the victim.
31:54When these things
31:55are decided,
31:56the criminal
31:57gets a place
31:57at the table,
31:58the parole board,
31:59the Ministry of Justice
31:59do too,
32:00but the views
32:01of the victim
32:02are not even considered.
32:03So we just have to
32:04stand by and watch
32:05once they let him out?
32:06Well, no.
32:07We have to bring pressure
32:08on David Gawke,
32:09the Justice Secretary.
32:10We'll get him to
32:11order a judicial review
32:12of the decision
32:13on the grounds
32:13that it was
32:14legally irrational
32:15to release war boys.
32:16And we have to move fast.
32:18One thing we have
32:19been able to find out
32:20is that
32:20as late as 2015,
32:23he was denied
32:24transfer from
32:25a high-security prison
32:26to a lower-security
32:27open prison
32:28on the grounds
32:29that he posed
32:29an unacceptable risk.
32:31Yet two years later
32:32they're saying
32:32he's suitable for pro-
32:33That sounds pretty
32:35irrational to me.
32:37The thought
32:38of him being released
32:40in just a few weeks
32:43is...
32:45It's terrifying.
32:47Listen to me.
32:48We are going to fight
32:50to stop that
32:51from happening.
32:51We are going to scrap
32:52and we are going to fight.
32:54We've got to go.
32:57Leila?
32:57No, they'll be
32:58wondering where I am.
33:00I'll go after her
33:01and make sure she's
33:02all right.
33:06But this is a
33:07fucking disgrace.
33:14You know, I've heard
33:15there's a lot of people
33:16who are very unhappy
33:17with today's decision.
33:19Whispers that Labour
33:20and the Lib Dems
33:20might even call
33:21for an inquiry.
33:23Well, that will
33:24certainly shove it
33:25under David Gawke's
33:26hooter.
33:26We need to keep it there.
33:28We need to make
33:29a lot of noise
33:30and quickly.
33:32Well, I had a very
33:33interesting phone call
33:34from Carrie Simons
33:35this afternoon.
33:36She gave evidence
33:37of the original trial?
33:38Yes, I remember her.
33:39Well,
33:40now she works
33:41for the Conservative Party
33:42press office
33:43and she phoned
33:44to say how angry
33:45she was
33:46and to offer
33:47her services.
33:48Oh, yeah.
33:49Yeah, so I think
33:50she'd be very useful
33:52in lobbying David Gawke.
33:55Warboys never once
33:57showed remorse.
33:58He described his
33:59behaviour as
34:00banter
34:01and insisted
34:02that the women
34:03accusing him of rape,
34:05who
34:06took to the stand
34:07in tears,
34:09shattered
34:09by the experience
34:10had in fact
34:11wanted
34:12to have sex
34:13with him.
34:14The decision
34:14to free him
34:15was made a few
34:16months ago
34:16by a parole board
34:17panel.
34:18We don't know
34:19who made up
34:19this panel
34:20and we don't know
34:21how and why
34:22they came to
34:23this decision.
34:25Hi, David.
34:27Just two minutes
34:28once you're done.
34:29Oh, I'll catch up.
34:30Right.
34:31I just wondered
34:33if you might want
34:33to read this op-ed
34:34piece that I've written.
34:35What's it about?
34:36The Warboys
34:37parole board decision.
34:38You know that decision
34:40was based on the reports
34:41from several psychologists.
34:42I think he's pulled
34:43the wool over their eyes.
34:47You might not know this,
34:48but as a young woman
34:49I was drugged
34:50by him
34:51in the back
34:51of his taxi
34:52and I just thought
34:53full disclosure
34:54as Justice Secretary
34:56you should know
34:57what I've said here.
34:58Okay.
34:59I'll have a read.
35:12moving down to
35:13Belmarsh
35:13then, John.
35:15Not long to go now,
35:17is it?
35:18From there
35:20by the grace of God
35:23I'll be released
35:25free men.
35:38I would just like
35:39to say
35:40that I was
35:41just as surprised
35:42as you all
35:43probably were
35:44when I was
35:44asked to take
35:45this job on
35:46but I was
35:47pleasantly surprised.
35:48I promised
35:49to give it my all.
35:57Congratulations.
35:58Youngest ever
35:59head of comms.
36:01You've done so well.
36:05I do have just
36:06a small fly
36:08I must put
36:08in the ointment though.
36:10David Gork
36:10told me that
36:11the MOJ
36:11will not be
36:12pursuing a judicial review
36:13of that parole board
36:15decision on John Warburg.
36:16Why not?
36:17He said something
36:18about legal advice.
36:20But then he's
36:20going to get out
36:21what the fuck
36:22shit.
36:23Carrie.
36:25I'm telling you
36:26this as a friend.
36:27Okay.
36:28But people have
36:29been saying
36:29you've been a bit
36:29distracted lately.
36:30Well then they
36:31can mind their
36:31own business.
36:32Come on.
36:33I'm just saying
36:34don't let this stuff
36:35get in the way
36:35of what's really
36:36important.
36:37Okay.
36:38And why you're
36:38actually here.
36:41Your career
36:41is taking off Carrie.
36:44Don't blow it now.
36:47I really thought
36:48David fucking Gork
36:49would get behind us.
36:50It's so disappointing.
36:52My guess is
36:53he's looked at
36:53all of this
36:54and he's thinking
36:54his department
36:55doesn't come out
36:56of its milling of roses.
36:57So what can we do now?
36:58We can push
36:59for a review
37:00of the decision
37:00on behalf of
37:01Sarah and Layla.
37:02Can we do that?
37:03I'm not sure
37:04private individuals
37:05will have the legal
37:05standing but we
37:06can certainly
37:07give it a try.
37:08Money is going
37:08to be a problem though.
37:09The rules have changed
37:10since the human rights case.
37:11It's now no longer
37:12possible to take out
37:13insurance against losing.
37:15Meaning that
37:15Sarah and Layla
37:16would be personally
37:17responsible for the
37:17parole board's legal costs
37:18if we lost.
37:19Precisely.
37:21We need to raise money fast
37:22but by going against
37:23the government
37:23you could be risking
37:25your career.
37:27I'm on it.
37:29Yes, it is a letter
37:30that I've been asking
37:31London MPs to sign.
37:33A lot of them already have
37:34protesting against
37:35the parole board's decision.
37:37The women he attacked
37:38are fighting to have
37:39his parole overturned
37:41and maybe this is
37:43something that your paper
37:43could take a more
37:45detailed look at.
37:46And hey, if you do
37:47decide to print
37:48don't forget to include
37:49the details of the
37:50crowd justice link
37:51at the bottom of your story.
37:52Okay, well I'll talk
37:53to my editor
37:53and we'll keep you in touch.
37:54All right?
37:55We're still being contacted
37:56by women who say
37:57that they are victims
37:58of war boys.
37:59In the last few days
38:00I spoke to a woman
38:00in Bournemouth
38:02who's convinced that
38:03eventually more victims
38:03will come forward
38:04from that area
38:05because he also drove
38:06his cab down there.
38:07How about the appeal
38:08for donations
38:09to help with legal support?
38:10Well, we've been
38:12completely overwhelmed
38:13by the level of support
38:14that we've received
38:15since opening
38:16our crowd justice page.
38:17The donations
38:18have been pouring in
38:20for which we are
38:22incredibly grateful.
38:33Rehabilitated?
38:34He denied everything
38:35until nine months
38:36before the first time
38:37he could apply for parole.
38:38Hmm.
38:39And then he found God.
38:40Right.
38:41Conveniently.
38:41Just in time for parole
38:42he saw the light.
38:46Only gave half
38:47a tamazepam.
38:48Says he only raped
38:49one woman.
38:52Penis inside vagina
38:53for four seconds.
38:54Wait a minute.
38:55Yes, here.
38:57Says he only started
38:59offending in 2006
39:01after the breakup
39:02with his girlfriend.
39:05Yes, I'm just saying that.
39:06Oh, thank you, Lord.
39:20Go on, you two.
39:21I'm just running late.
39:22Keep going.
39:23Keep going.
39:24It's going to be
39:25really good for Connor,
39:26okay?
39:27My older bell
39:28wait there.
39:29Okay.
39:32Okay.
39:33There he is.
39:34It's exciting.
39:38Right, be good.
39:39All right, guys.
39:40Go on, run up.
39:40There's cakes up there.
39:42Bye.
39:44Thanks so much
39:45for doing this.
39:46It's all right.
39:46I knew it would happen
39:47on half term.
39:48Jack's with his mate, so...
39:50It's not a problem.
39:50You know I'm happy to help.
39:52How's things at home?
39:54Um, not great.
39:57Gab's actually moved out now, so...
39:59Okay.
40:00Sorry to hear.
40:04Anyway, I'd better get going.
40:05I thought I'd be late,
40:06but thanks again.
40:07I'll see you later.
40:08All right.
40:09Good luck.
40:15Hi.
40:16Hi, I'm running late.
40:17Are you nearly there yet?
40:20I'm sorry.
40:21I didn't get on the train.
40:24I'm not coming down.
40:25I just...
40:26I suddenly thought...
40:28the idea of seeing him again...
40:31I just can't do it.
40:33Yeah, I...
40:33I don't know how you can face
40:35going back to that horrible time, Sarah.
40:37Because I want to have my moment
40:39in court with him today.
40:41Sorry.
40:42I know I'm letting you down.
40:44No, you're not.
40:45Listen.
40:46If that's what you want to do,
40:47what you need to do,
40:49fuck it.
40:50Fuck them.
40:51Whatever works.
40:52I am sorry.
40:55Stop apologizing, okay?
40:57Okay, listen.
40:58I'm gonna have to go with us.
40:59I'll be late,
40:59but I'll let you know how it goes, okay?
41:00Okay.
41:01Okay, bye-bye, bye-bye.
41:03Bye.
41:04Bye.
41:10Bye.
41:12Bye.
41:12Bye.
41:13Bye.
41:16Bye.
41:17Bye.
41:18Bye.
41:19Bye.
41:24Bye.
41:25Bye.
41:28Bye.
41:30Bye.
41:40Bye.
41:43Bye.
41:47Bye.
42:02My lords, this is a unique case
42:05in which someone who has been granted his freedom
42:09has then had it taken away from him.
42:12If ever there was a case for the use of the judicial review
42:16jurisdiction to be exercised with the greatest care
42:20and anxious scrutiny,
42:24this is that case.
42:31We say that Mr. Warboys has been seriously minimising
42:35the nature and extent of his offending
42:37and has been dishonestly manufacturing his explanation.
42:41Furthermore, we say the board has failed
42:43to take into account critical evidence,
42:46evidence which it was not in its discretion to ignore,
42:49evidence which, if it was going to reach a lawful decision,
42:53it had to take into account.
42:55In the notes of the sessions attended with the psychologists,
43:00Mr. Warboys admits responsibility
43:02only for those offences for which he was convicted.
43:07A total of 19 offences,
43:10carefully selected by the Crown Prosecution Service,
43:13as you can see from their statement,
43:14so as to not overload the indictment.
43:19These offences were against a total of 12 women
43:22and Warboys says his offending began
43:25in September, October 2006.
43:30But let's look then at what evidence is out there,
43:33because that evidence paints a very, very different picture
43:38to the one presented by Mr. Warboys to the parole board.
43:41The police's conclusion,
43:43having investigated all of the offences
43:46that resulted in the charges brought against Mr. Warboys,
43:49is that he committed offences
43:51against a total of 105 women.
44:00We submit this is very powerful evidence
44:04that Mr. Warboys' offending was more extensive
44:07than anything he has admitted.
44:10And, crucially,
44:13we can see from the evidence given to the police
44:16by the witness, DSD,
44:17we can see that his offending went back
44:21to, at the very least,
44:25May 2003.
44:29That is more than three years before the date,
44:32he says, is when he began offending,
44:35which blows out of the water
44:37the parole board's assessment
44:38that he has taken full responsibility
44:40for his offences,
44:41or that he has been open and honest
44:43in his account.
46:35Look at that.
46:38Look at that.
46:39Look at that.
46:39Look at that.
46:40Look at that.
47:08Look at that.
47:10Look at that.
47:18You okay?
47:23There's something I've got to tell you.
47:31Look at that.
47:32Look at that.
47:36Look at that.
47:58Look at that.
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