00:00So we had some discussions and there were some reporters saying that after Kenny Moore, Colts DB, requested a trade
00:09out of Indianapolis, the Cowboys would make a lot of sense.
00:13Well, apparently he's such a good guy with multiple nominations for Walter Payton, man of the year.
00:20The Colts could not find out a trade, so they granted him his release yesterday.
00:25They're going to save $7 million against the cap with a $6 million dead cap charge.
00:32Now, Kenny Moore is 30.
00:34He's been with them since 2017, and he made a Pro Bowl in 2021.
00:41He is thought to also be a casualty of the scheme that they're going to run.
00:48Kenny Moore is more of a zone defender.
00:51The Colts are going to run more man-to-man.
00:54Yesterday, in Below the Belt, when we were talking about, I was asking, why is the great safety Caleb Downs
01:02now all of a sudden playing corner?
01:04And the Cowboys sound like, and that is going to be the main plan.
01:09And Bobby was explaining the zone tendencies in Christian Parker's defense.
01:14So here you go.
01:16Kenny Moore, zone.
01:18Cowboys defense and secondary, zone concepts.
01:23Does this make sense anymore with Caleb Downs playing nickel?
01:27No, not really.
01:29So he's a really good player.
01:32Kenny Moore is still, if they had drafted Sonny Stiles at 12, if they had drafted Mansoor Delane, if they
01:40had drafted Reuben Bain,
01:42if they had drafted any of these other people and they still had not gotten nickel,
01:44or maybe they addressed nickel in the third round with a rookie of like, well, this will be one of
01:48the guys that can play it.
01:49I'd be all over Kenny Moore.
01:51And he had a 66 PFF grade last year.
01:55That was 39th out of 114 corners.
01:58It makes me wonder if that's why he got released is because his PFF grade.
02:02No, because Indy was waiting around to see Dallas may want him.
02:07We may be able to get something from Dallas and a trade on this.
02:09And then as soon as Dallas addressed it, they're like, nah, we're good.
02:11Like, I do think that Kenny Moore would have been somebody they were considering if they had gotten to a
02:16point where they didn't address the nickel with Downs.
02:19But now that they've addressed the nickel with Downs, I mean, you're talking about a guy who last year played
02:24a career low on the outside in Kenny Moore.
02:28He played 28 snaps as an outside corner.
02:30And he's always been a nickel guy, but his outside corner snaps have like gone down more and more because
02:37he's 590 is 190 pounds.
02:38That's not really an outside corner.
02:40But even a Dory Jackson who got brought in here and had played some nickel initially, but got in here
02:44and the Cowboys gave him a look this week.
02:47A Dory Jackson's a guy who he plays outside now.
02:50And so they pretty clearly are looking for somebody to do that with what they're investigating right now.
02:56So I would imagine Kenny Moore wouldn't want to come here to rotate with Downs or be Downs' backup.
03:01Who is starting at safety game one for the Cowboys?
03:05In base look or assuming they start a nickel look?
03:08If they start in nickel with three corners, then the safeties are Hooker and Jalen Thompson.
03:14If they start in base, which is just the 3-4 look with two corners, it would be Downs and
03:19Thompson.
03:22So why not in the first sub package defensively increase your safety spot by playing Downs at safety and having
03:35Kenny Moore play nickel?
03:37Because I think they want – they're not putting Caleb Downs at nickel because we really need you here so
03:44we're going to play you out of position.
03:45They're playing Caleb Downs at nickel because they think that's where he's going to be best, and they think this
03:49is where you're going to make the biggest impact.
03:50That's why Malik Hooker's still here is because, all right, we're going to have you play nickel.
03:55Hooker will be the safety when we're in base.
03:57Maybe sometimes we just have one safety, though, and it's Thompson, and we're playing a couple linebackers, however the formation
04:01looks or however the personnel looks.
04:03But I think for them, they really think that Caleb Downs can be like an all-pro-level nickel, and
04:10they want him in there disrupting the game as much as they can.
04:14So the opportunity for former Colts corner Kenny Moore does not look the same or as enticing after the Cowboys
04:21draft Caleb Downs.
04:22Yeah, and do you recall what Brandon Cooks looked like?
04:26Yeah, he was short.
04:27I have never noticed this before.
04:30I cannot get over how much Kenny Moore to me looks like he could be Brandon Cooks' twin.
04:34Yeah.
04:35That looks really like him.
04:36Yeah.
04:37Holy cow.
04:37Yeah, it does.
04:38Okay, Caleb Downs' father, man, I don't want him to have a podcast because that's how we normally feel about
04:46family members of players, but he could have one because he went on All City yesterday, and this guy has
04:53raised two thoroughbreds, man.
04:55He's got Josh Downs, and he's got Caleb in the National Football League, and they asked Caleb's father, when did
05:03you know that your son was going to be great?
05:05Well, I'll tell you two stories.
05:08Two stories.
05:08When he was two years old, a guy I worked with stopped by my house and knocked on the door,
05:13and Caleb answered the door.
05:15Now, I don't know why a two-year-old answered the door, but he was.
05:19And the guy, the guy, the side lights of the window, the guy growled, and he said, Caleb looked at
05:25him and growled back, and the guy said, bro, your son growled back at me at two.
05:29And then when he was four, he was in like a daycare, and I went to pick him up, and
05:35the lady said, your son is doing one-arm push-ups, but he'll only do them for the girls.
05:41So that's the growl we heard on draft day.
05:44Yeah, which is, I think that was his dad that we heard right after that, going, all right, Caleb, like,
05:48come on, like, let's not get too worked up here.
05:51But, yeah, the one where he goes, those 10 teams, he gets, he's competitive.
05:56How long has Caleb Downs been watching film?
05:59When he was about seven years old, his coach started giving him the film for the game, and before the
06:05coaches would do a game plan, the coaches would say, what do you think, Caleb?
06:09So he's been watching film since he was seven years old.
06:13One of my former teammates, Jamal Anderson, coached Caleb when he was about nine, and he just did the same
06:18thing.
06:19Jamal said, when Caleb would go over the house with his, you know, Jamal has a son, too.
06:24They play together all through youth.
06:26His son said, let's go outside and play.
06:28He said, Caleb said, I want to watch the tape.
06:30And he said, this seven-year-old kid, A.Yorkin, wants to watch tape.
06:33So the cerebral part has always been there, his understanding of the game and his recall.
06:39When he was little, I could say, what happened on this play?
06:42He could tell you, like, a photographic memory where everybody was on the field, what everybody was doing.
06:47Dad, you came to the game.
06:48You got there in the second quarter.
06:50Mom left in the third quarter.
06:51He could see it all.
06:52And his understanding, I would say when he was in high school, that's when the clarity of how smart he
07:01was.
07:01He could come home from his practice.
07:04He could Zoom with Alabama for an hour.
07:07Get off that Zoom, Zoom with Ohio State.
07:10Get off that Zoom, Zoom with Georgia.
07:12And I said, how are you keeping all of these defenses straight?
07:16He said, I got it.
07:17It's not a problem.
07:18Literally, he's been doing it since you were a little kid.
07:21And his understanding of Exxon's offense, defense, I mean, as high as coaches.
07:26I mean, I remember his high school coach told me during one game that he took Caleb out the locker
07:32room during halftime and said, what do we need to do?
07:35And Caleb told him, we need to run this, this, and this.
07:38And that's when they went back and did it.
07:40So I think it's sort of innate, sort of a God-given gift.
07:44But he's been around and has some very good coaches, you know, whether high school coaches, youth coaches, and, of
07:49course, at college.
07:50And when Dane Brugler and others are doing the scouting of downs, he said, that right there is a superpower.
07:55It's not the 40.
07:57It's not the vert.
07:58It's not the strength.
08:00It's obviously not the size and the height.
08:02All that right there that you just heard from his pops, that is his superpower.
08:06He is the amount of time that he's spent on task.
08:10Like, you listen to him talk about how long he's been looking at playbooks and things like that.
08:15I don't know if I'm saying he's the player that he is today because he was looking at playbooks at
08:19seven.
08:20But in general.
08:20But answering the door, too, that's just bad parenting.
08:23How are you reaching the door handle?
08:25Like, we see he didn't grow up to be, like, a 6'5 child.
08:28So, like, I mean, I don't know that he's, like, totally reaching the door handle there.
08:31So maybe he's got the timeline a little off there.
08:33But Downs is a guy who I'm trying to find it right now.
08:37I'm going to pull it up at some point, and we'll reference back to it maybe at 840.
08:42But when you read the rules, like, when you open a Fangio playbook and you look at the rules built
08:49into everything and you see how much goes into that.
08:52This is not the Fangio defense, Bobby?
08:54No, no, no.
08:54But the Fangio defense as a similar comp, when you read it and you see all the rules that exist
08:59for this is what you're supposed to be doing on this play.
09:02And knowing that people have said he's got it all down in a way that others just don't, you have
09:09to be smart to be able to process everything that is in those sort of defenses and the rules that
09:14they have in place.
09:15Final one from Caleb's father, Gary Downs, on All City.
09:20What is going on and what is going to happen with the number?
09:26I believe he's wearing 13 for the OTAs, but I think two is still a work in progress.
09:32There's a lot of dominoes that's got to fall for him to get two.
09:36But he said if the number don't matter, he's going to play the same regardless.
09:39When it comes to ball, it's going to be about football, it's not going to be about social media, it's
09:45not going to be about his marketing, and it's not going to be about a number.
09:48He understands he has to prove himself, and so when it regards to the number, he knows that that is
09:54not the main thing.
09:55He's also a team builder, and he understands that someone else has that number.
09:59He's not going to go in and just take it away from him.
10:01That player gets traded or gets cut is what it is.
10:06And then he also, he's very frugal with his resources, his money.
10:10So he's not all about this paying money.
10:12Hey, this dude is tight with his money.
10:15He saves his money.
10:16He's just not like that, man.
10:18I mean, he's always looking for a deal.
10:22I work with this guy named Carl Torbush, and Carl was like, if it's free or cheap, if it's free,
10:28take three.
10:29I'm not saying Caleb is that bad, but he is very frugal.
10:35But it's about the main thing, and ball's the main thing.
10:38The number is a tertiary, third-order thing, and when he gets a chance to get two, I'm sure he'll
10:45get it.
10:45But he's not focused on it.
10:48My wife, his mom, she's serious about that number, too.
10:52But he's like, Mom, that don't matter.
10:56Does Caleb Downs have a podcast, Bobby?
11:00He does.
11:01Now, I don't know if that's going to continue.
11:04Downs to business.
11:06Yeah.
11:06Yeah, he does have one.
11:07Yeah.
11:08And we've seen some.
11:09In fact, I'm trying to look.
11:11There was an episode out one day ago.
11:13They interviewed Alec Pierce.
11:16Okay.
11:17So Micah got kicked around here for a long time for having a podcast.
11:22Uh-huh.
11:24Does this deserve the same or some criticism or questioning?
11:28It definitely deserves, like, a question.
11:31That bugged people.
11:32Like, as much as there may be fans who say, like, it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah.
11:36I'm telling you, it bugged teammates that he had it and the way he used it.
11:40Malik Hooker commented on it.
11:42Yeah.
11:42Now, I think that's the big thing.
11:45How does it get used?
11:47Teams didn't.
11:48They didn't like that you're up here just, like, talking about how awesome Jordan Love
11:52is right after you get your ass kicked by the Packers.
11:54They don't like that.
11:55Yeah.
11:55Now, if Caleb Downs is up there just doing a podcast where he's talking about his life
11:59in the NFL or whatever, I don't think a lot of people would care about that.
12:03It's like, yeah, sure.
12:04I understand it's different players.
12:06Brock Hoffman had a podcast when he was here, and nobody was bugged by the way he used it.
12:11He would just talk about, like, logistics of how does life in the NFL go?
12:15And this is what I experienced.
12:16And he interviewed teammates and stuff.
12:18It wasn't a whole bunch of, like, I'm going to interview the team we're going up against
12:20so we can talk about how great they are.
12:22Does Amon Ra have the most prominent one right now in season?
12:26Because I feel like Mike has disappeared last year.
12:30Must have been the playoffs.
12:32I don't.
12:34Probably.
12:35Yeah, that's the one I see the most.
12:36I mean, other than Travis Kelsey.
12:38But, I mean, Travis Kelsey doesn't really play anymore.
12:40He's more an entertainment celebrity now.
12:43Talking about sourdough bread with Tay-Tay.
12:45So, there it is.
12:46Caleb Downs' father.
12:47Very, very entertaining with the number update.
12:51But it sounds like he's not coughing up all that cash.
12:53No.
12:54And it's one of those things where everybody just, it sounds like everybody's pretty much
12:58unanimous at this point.
12:59Kobe Durant, keep the number until Caleb Downs wants to pay for it.
13:02And if he doesn't want to pay for it, he doesn't get it.
13:03Fans aren't unanimous on that.
13:04No, but I'm talking about everybody related to, like, being around it.
13:07It's like, he's got to earn it.
13:08It won't be possible.
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