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Shan, RJ, and Bobby recapped the Cowboys' 34–13 preseason victory over the Cardinals with Star Up, Star Down. They discussed standout performers like Joe Milton and Jaishawn Barham, updated position battles across the roster, and more.

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00:0134 to 13, putting Cowboy Tolos in a giddy mood over the course of the weekend.
00:06Good morning, Metroplex and 6 a.m. Club, best audience of the entire show.
00:10We got the entire squad back together again with RJ Choppy back from Michigan.
00:16Sean Shreve, Cowboys insider, Bobby Belt.
00:18And Bob, not much to complain about.
00:21No, this is two games in a row where you feel pretty good about everything.
00:25Now, the only question is, you've never seen them do this in the preseason, like not recently.
00:31They don't play this well, typically.
00:33But then you got to just ask yourself, like, how much does it mean?
00:36We haven't seen it and they haven't won a Super Bowl.
00:38So when we see them perform like this, does that equal up to anything else?
00:41But this is a there are a couple of things that I think you can be really excited about on
00:46both sides of the ball
00:47and things you can extrapolate, even if you can't say that this somehow means they're going to make the playoffs.
00:52Let's begin. Star up for Choppy's Tennessee volunteer, Joe Milton.
00:57I think we're all sitting here this morning saying that the job competition should be over
01:03and that Joe Milton should be your two.
01:06First half, 9 of 13, 179, 13.8 a throw, two touchdowns for a 151.4 rating for Big Joe.
01:17It looked like he kind of figured out a touch.
01:22You know, that was he had two issues, right?
01:25It was it was just there was there was zero and there was a hundred and there was no in
01:29between.
01:30And the other one was, you know, he may have been a little bit slower to pick up reading defenses.
01:37Yeah, some of the pre-snap stuff, some of the things you got to do at the line of scrimmage
01:40just sees it takes a while for a lot of guys to pick up.
01:43And his feel within the pocket.
01:44I mean, on that touchdown call right there to Malik, that was a third and six scramble.
01:49The improvisation, you know, knowing when to get rid of it, just having a feel.
01:53He had a dime that was actually dropped by Koontz on second and 13.
01:58He responded with the 53-yard dime to Mingo to make it 4-0.
02:03He had the 70-yard at a Camden Brown.
02:06That was on third down that eventually led across his body.
02:10He had to scramble.
02:11And eventually led to a draw on a rushing touchdown.
02:16So he did it in a variety of ways.
02:18And like, you know, the pass to Mingo, I mean, he did have to step up in the pocket a
02:23little bit.
02:23And you have to have a little bit of pocket mobility and pocket awareness.
02:27And that's something that he had kind of lacked.
02:29And then the touch.
02:30The touch is what, you know, stood out to me because that was what his bugaboo was in copy.
02:35Everything was high.
02:36Everything was high.
02:37Everything was high last year.
02:39Maybe it's Schottenheimer.
02:40Maybe it's, you know, Clayton.
02:43Maybe it's just him figuring things out.
02:45It's weird to see, like, development around here.
02:48You know, Todd Haley would tell me my first year in Kansas City,
02:51and his dad was a pro personnel guy for Pittsburgh.
02:54He goes, you all need to learn this out here.
02:56Like, the National Football League, much of this is about development.
03:00We do have to make these players better.
03:02We do have to make these players grow.
03:05And once we get them here in this building,
03:07you have to account for the offseason of whether they're going to get better
03:10or whether they're going to get worse.
03:11And I'm just so used to your Trey Lances of the world
03:15or the projects that start off bad who don't necessarily improve.
03:19So it's just kind of weird to go to Oxnard and say,
03:22wow, Joe Milton's been working on something.
03:24Joe Milton has been developing.
03:25Now, maybe none of this translates at all to the regular season.
03:28Knock on wood, and hopefully we don't have to see him.
03:30But props to Joe, props to the developmental people for him improving.
03:35Yeah, because this is the whole lottery ticket purchase that they do with quarterbacks
03:40or other positions where you're like, well, let's just see.
03:42Maybe they get a first-rounder who's busted somewhere else
03:47or a second-rounder like Jonathan Mingo.
03:49You acquire somebody who's had problems and say,
03:52let's see if we can go ahead and develop them a little bit.
03:54And very rarely do they develop.
03:56But occasionally those five numbers that pop up will be yours.
04:00And then it's okay.
04:01This lotto ticket was worth investing.
04:03And you hope that's what Joe Milton's finding right now.
04:05Let's hear from Joe after the game with thoughts on the performance.
04:10Tonight was great.
04:12You know, I was able to go out there and showcase what I got,
04:15what we've been working hard towards this whole camp.
04:18So it was great.
04:19My comfort level was amazing.
04:23Shoot.
04:24Way more comfort than I was last year.
04:26He also, to me, seems like a little bit more grounded and calm in the interview.
04:31Like the interview on TV, I'm expecting goofy backflip Joe Milton.
04:36And he's like giving the professional, generic PR answers,
04:41even though you know that he's just, I think he said his goal for the season was to have fun.
04:45So I'm expecting kind of zany personality Joe Milton.
04:49What is the biggest difference from this preseason to last year?
04:53Man, major difference.
04:56You get to do a lot more.
04:58When I say that, there's a lot more to our offense that we able to do change as the quarterback
05:05position.
05:06So you're able to do all that.
05:07You're able to make sure that your points is right,
05:10making sure the way that you're reading the play is correct.
05:13So just being able to go through that process of a whole year being in this offense until now, it's
05:18great.
05:19Over?
05:20It should be.
05:21I mean, I don't know.
05:24There's obviously something you could do.
05:26He could have like an awful week of practice.
05:27He could pop up and start throwing a bunch of picks and Sam Howell could look really, really good.
05:32But I would say this.
05:34I don't think I mentioned this on the pregame show on Saturday.
05:36I don't think there's a way Joe Milton's not on the roster.
05:40Like the question of do they keep three quarterbacks or not?
05:44I think comes down to where is Joe Milton in the depth chart?
05:46If he's second, they keep two.
05:48If he's third, then they keep three.
05:50Because I don't think they want to just cut Joe Milton or move on from Joe Milton.
05:53I think they want to continue to invest in his upside.
05:56And so depending on where Howell finishes in that, I think depends on if they keep three quarterbacks or not.
06:00Did you give Sam Howell a star down?
06:02Yes, I did.
06:04The interception was obviously not a good one while you're driving into the red zone.
06:07And when you're talking about all the margins matter.
06:10And he was not awful before that.
06:11He was whatever.
06:12He was playing it safe.
06:13He was doing what he needed to do.
06:14But when you then throw an interception after the performance that Joe Milton had and the margins are so thin
06:20when it comes to competition, then it's a bad pick.
06:23Yeah.
06:23And it's it's star up for Joe Milton playing as well as he did.
06:26And it's such a good performance that even without the pick, that's probably a star down to Sam Howell.
06:31Did Schottenheimer end things in the postgame right here on the fan?
06:35Yeah, I mean, you know, again, I think, you know, Joe's put together two really, really good halves.
06:41You know, Sam really made one mistake, you know, down in the red zone, you know, kind of got fooled
06:45on one and turned it over.
06:46That can't happen.
06:47But, you know, this is long from over.
06:49And, you know, going back to Frisco, thankfully, and get a chance to be home and put some more training
06:56camp days in.
06:57But got to give Joe his credit.
07:00He's played really well the last two games.
07:01But we have a lot of confidence in Sam as well.
07:03So I would say thankfully with this heat.
07:06Yeah, they'll be inside.
07:07They'll be fine.
07:08Star up here on 105.3 The Fan.
07:11Is it over at number two running back as well?
07:16Twitter is not going to let you do that.
07:18The fan text isn't going to let you do that.
07:19Still fighting for Jaden Blue?
07:21Oh, hell yeah.
07:21They're going to be fighting.
07:22They could have been fighting for Jaden Blue if he would have had five yards yesterday.
07:25The fact that he had 75 and had two hurdles.
07:29He hurdled somebody.
07:30And as soon as you hurdle somebody, that buys you an extra three weeks in their minds.
07:35And so he had the hurdles, and he was fine.
07:38He slipped on his first run.
07:41He had an issue there.
07:42But from that point on, 75 yards, showed a little bit of wiggle, showed the athleticism with the hurdling and
07:48things like that.
07:49It's fine.
07:50It's not enough for me to throw him a star up.
07:52It's not enough for me to go, yeah, you really put to bed all the concerns about you.
07:57He was fine.
07:57There's nothing wrong with what Jaden did.
08:00I still think Malik Davis played better.
08:01He played better.
08:02He's got more.
08:03I mean, it feels like he's got a lot of burst through the line.
08:06I just have more faith in Malik Davis getting me those yards.
08:14It's a third and three.
08:15I just have more faith in Malik Davis getting those yards.
08:17He was the fourth running back the final day of practice, Jaden Blue was.
08:21I mean, Phil Moffa was out, so he could have been fifth, but he was the fourth running back in
08:26practice behind a Bannacanda, Javante Williams, and then Malik Davis.
08:30Moffa had a really nice 15-yard rushing touchdown.
08:33Here's Shadi on the running back room competition now after Javante.
08:38Yeah, I think he feels the competition.
08:40I think he feels the fact that this is a deep room.
08:43I mean, you know, I can't step up to a podium and answer a question about the running back room
08:48without mentioning Izzy.
08:49I mean, and then Phil Moffa has a touchdown, and Malik is what he is, and Jaden, you know, so
08:54these guys got to go.
08:55I mean, you know, and it's been fun for us to watch him, you know, and pass protection.
09:02But, yeah, when you don't practice, it's hard to go in there and perform the way he did, so that's
09:06progression for him and something that he should take a lot of pride in.
09:09When you don't practice, it's hard to go in there and perform the way he did.
09:13He's talking about Jaden Blue right there.
09:15He's also referenced Malik Davis with that blitz pickup.
09:19He trucked a defender early on, did have a fumble while returning a kick, but the Cowboys ended up recovering.
09:26Star up, star down right here.
09:28You wouldn't know, Broadus, you were in the ICU.
09:31We'll get to that coming up.
09:33Well, he probably still was watching, as our fan video coordinator showed.
09:38We'll get to that later on.
09:39Other star ups.
09:40Jay Sean Barham was incredible.
09:42That's the.
09:43He's the fan favorite.
09:44All the discussion about him and the way he performed at practices.
09:48Linebacker is similar to running back in the sense that when they get on the field, you still need to
09:53see like 80% of it in game action.
09:56And he got the chance in game action, and he looked really, really good.
10:01Like, it was an immediate impact where you felt, all right, there's somebody on the field who's better than other
10:06people that are out here.
10:07Nick Eatman was like, you know, this happened years ago where you're in the press box and you're like, it's
10:14like the sound of a bat.
10:15Diaz, you heard the sound off his bat with the home run.
10:18And Nick said, that's the way it sounds when Barham hits somebody.
10:21And you're like, oh, that's something a little bit different with 55.
10:24Yeah.
10:25And he's last.
10:27What was it?
10:27It was three years ago whenever Overshown made his debut.
10:30And I remember there was the, they were playing the Jaguars, I think it was, and Tank Bigsby, like, runs
10:35in the hole.
10:36And DeMarvy and Overshown completely stood him up.
10:38And that's a 250-pound, like, bowling ball running back.
10:41And it was one of those things where I was just kind of like, whoa.
10:44And I remember somebody from player personnel was standing over in the dining area and walked over and was, like,
10:51walking by me.
10:52And I was like, that's a big effing man that he just stood up in the hole.
10:55And then it was the next week I think he tore his ACL against Seattle in the preseason and you
10:59lost him for the year.
11:00But Barham, it's that same sort of feel where you see instantly he's dipping blockers.
11:04He's playing with a lot of physicality.
11:06He's in the right position.
11:07He plays really, really aggressively.
11:10He's just, that was a different football player on the field than anybody else on Arizona that was trying to
11:15stop him.
11:16He smiles when he plays and he just frowns when he doesn't.
11:18He smiles when there's no camera on him, apparently, is what we've learned.
11:21As soon as he sees a camera, then he's got to go back into, like, there's a little bit of
11:25performativeness there, I think.
11:27Because he's, like, laughing or chuckling.
11:28When is he going to have to do an interview?
11:31When is he going to have to talk?
11:32He's done one, I think.
11:33He did one, like.
11:34I want to go back to his draft day call, Pepe.
11:38I want to go back to that.
11:39I'll be fascinated to hear it.
11:41Were you on that?
11:42Yeah, I don't remember him being super upbeat.
11:46I think he was very, like.
11:47I got to go back and listen to it.
11:48But this does, so the league rule starts week one with you have to talk once a week.
11:54It starts during training camp.
11:55It's just a matter of if the, like, pro football writers complain.
11:59Basically, yeah, if they report you for it or not.
12:01We wanted to see if things would translate from Oxnard.
12:05It did early on.
12:07Back and looking and standing and throwing left.
12:10Receiver fell down.
12:11It's intercepted.
12:1125, 20, 15, Rebel.
12:16He was looking for former Cowboy Simi Fajoko, who fell down.
12:22And Savon Rebel said, oh, I know what to do with this.
12:25And there's the first takeaway of the night.
12:27And a 22-yard return for Rebel.
12:30And Broadus gave Barham an assist on that play because his feet got tangled up with the Cardinals' wideout.
12:36The Rebel flag on the first play gets a pick on the first drive.
12:41And I think there was a little pressure from Malachi Lawrence as he got put back out there to play
12:47with Caleb Downs on the sidelines.
12:48You know what?
12:49It's the best part of that play was not even the actual interceptant.
12:55That's nice.
12:55Receiver fell down.
12:56Whatever.
12:58I was more excited watching him move.
13:01I was like, oh, Rebel's got the ability to change direction now.
13:03Like, the knee's not bugging him that much that he didn't look fluid moving with the ball in his hands.
13:07He looked, that's the most athletic he's looked.
13:09Because I think there's a little bit of a thought.
13:11People forget he was supposed to be a 4-4 guy coming out of, you know, East Carolina.
13:17And when you see him move with the ball in his hands, it's like, oh, that looks like a fluid
13:20athlete who's not, you know, worried about the stability of his knee anymore.
13:24So, actually, it was the return was something that really stood out to me.
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