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Esta emisión especial de Misterios del Universo (Telefe, 1999) es una pieza de culto para la ufología argentina, destacada por reunir a figuras clave del fenómeno OVNI y el periodismo científico en un debate intenso sobre el Caso Roswell.
- Conducción: Anabela Ascar (en su etapa previa a la fama en Crónica TV).
Reportaje Central: Incluyó el testimonio de Gerald Anderson, quien afirmaba haber visto la nave y seres en las llanuras de San Agustín en 1947.
Panel de Debatientes
- Mario Cannas: Investigador y entonces principal referente en Argentina de la Misión Rama (Sixto Paz Wells), defendiendo la hipótesis de contacto extraterrestre.
- Alejandro Agostinelli: Periodista escéptico especializado en fraudes y creencias. Es editor del portal Factor 302.4 (antes Dios!), donde suele analizar estos debates históricos.
- Carlos Alberto Iurchuk: Ingeniero y creador del sitio El Dragón Invisible, referente en la recopilación de casos OVNI en Argentina.
- Juan Faillá: Investigador con un enfoque de divulgación científica, aportando una visión crítica pero abierta al fenómeno.
Este debate es recordado por la confrontación de posturas entre el misticismo ufológico de la época y el naciente periodismo de investigación científica en la televisión abierta argentina.
- Conducción: Anabela Ascar (en su etapa previa a la fama en Crónica TV).
Reportaje Central: Incluyó el testimonio de Gerald Anderson, quien afirmaba haber visto la nave y seres en las llanuras de San Agustín en 1947.
Panel de Debatientes
- Mario Cannas: Investigador y entonces principal referente en Argentina de la Misión Rama (Sixto Paz Wells), defendiendo la hipótesis de contacto extraterrestre.
- Alejandro Agostinelli: Periodista escéptico especializado en fraudes y creencias. Es editor del portal Factor 302.4 (antes Dios!), donde suele analizar estos debates históricos.
- Carlos Alberto Iurchuk: Ingeniero y creador del sitio El Dragón Invisible, referente en la recopilación de casos OVNI en Argentina.
- Juan Faillá: Investigador con un enfoque de divulgación científica, aportando una visión crítica pero abierta al fenómeno.
Este debate es recordado por la confrontación de posturas entre el misticismo ufológico de la época y el naciente periodismo de investigación científica en la televisión abierta argentina.
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00:00Good evening, as we anticipated last week, today we will address a fascinating topic.
00:12This is the Roswell case. It is an event that occurred on July 2, 1947, in the New Mexico desert, in Texas.
00:22It is a strange ship with four beings inside, supposedly extraterrestrial.
00:28The United States Armed Forces initially said they didn't really know what it was about,
00:34then contradictorily claiming that it was a hot air balloon.
00:40To this day, doubts remain, 52 years have passed.
00:43That's why today, in Mysteries of the Universe, we will address this fascinating topic.
00:48Titles, please.
00:58Titles, please.
01:28Okay, let's analyze the Roswell case then, together with four Argentine researchers.
01:49On one side we have Mario Canas, who is with us today.
01:52Mario is an investigative journalist specializing in the UFO phenomenon and is also Sixto Paz Wells' representative in Argentina.
01:59If you don't know him yet, you're about to.
02:01He is a famous contactee and also a UFO researcher born in Peru.
02:06On the other hand, we are also joined by Alejandro Agostinelli, who is a journalist specializing in science communication.
02:14On the other hand, we are joined by Carlos Alberto Yutchuk, known as the invisible dragon.
02:21He is a researcher specializing in UFO topics.
02:23And we're also going to remember that Carlos is one of the people in Argentina who has his own website called The Invisible Dragon.
02:31It's a truly sensational page.
02:34And on the other hand we also have Juan Pailá, who is a UFO researcher and a journalist specializing in scientific outreach.
02:43Well, together with them we're going to talk about the Roswell case.
02:47What do you think about the case?
02:48Well, around 1945, when this ship crashed in one of the fields that supposedly belonged to McFrey.
03:03This was 120 kilometers from the Roswell base.
03:08When this ship crashed, army personnel obviously came to the scene, and they confirmed that there were four extraterrestrial beings lying practically on the ground.
03:24Three of them were supposedly like some kind of, let's say, bitten by animals from that place.
03:31And one that was more or less, more or less pretty good, wasn't it?
03:36The other three were in a state of decomposition.
03:41What can be gleaned from the Roswell case is that this craft was supposedly shot down, and that it is one of the craft supposedly in a negative sequence, as it is called.
03:52or ships that were about to enter the Earth system.
03:55This ship supposedly had not been given access to enter.
04:00And due to a planetary quarantine that has been established by extraterrestrial beings who act as guides, guardians, or caretakers of worlds,
04:09in which we are not yet quite there, many people are informed, aren't they?
04:14What do you think, Alejandro?
04:15Well, the Roswell case is the great mystery, the great myth of the UFO phenomenon of the last century, let's say.
04:25It is one of the topics that has generated the most discussion, the most books, and the most debates.
04:30So, practically everyone who is involved in one way or another in disseminating, investigating, or interested in the subject of UFOs,
04:39They view the Roswell case either as a great mystery or as a great hoax.
04:46But that's the case, isn't it?
04:47That's the case, isn't it?
04:47Because it's been talked about for 52 years.
04:49Sure.
04:51This is important to clarify, because in the Roswell case there are many people involved, and many things are being said.
04:57And that's where people get confused and don't have many things clear.
05:00In reality, the Roswell case is two crashes.
05:03One is, as Canas correctly stated, at Foster's ranch, which is very close to the city of Corona, and about 150 kilometers from Roswell.
05:12But then there is another fall that occurred at practically the same time, which is on the plain of San Agustín,
05:18which is much further west, about 240 kilometers further west of the Foster ranch.
05:23In this second fall, which occurred on the plain of San Agustín, is where the witness General Anderson appears,
05:29who was with his brother, his father, his uncle, cousin, where there was supposedly a group of archaeology students and others.
05:35So, we have two places. That's good to clarify, because otherwise...
05:39We'll cover everything during this program, so don't rush, because we're going to look at everything related to the Roswell case step by step.
05:44Juan Favlá is also a representative of MUFON. MUFON is a non-governmental organization of North American origin that is dedicated to investigating the UFO phenomenon.
05:54How was this experienced in the United States?
05:57I always referred you to the Roswell case.
05:59Look, the Roswell case has many versions, doesn't it? It has many lines of investigation.
06:06Recently, Carlos Yurchuk gave one of the versions of the Roswell case, with two crash sites of an unidentified flying object.
06:17There has suddenly been an investigation in the United States conducted by a former US Air Force captain, Kevin Randall,
06:25where he gives us, in this case, a completely different version from everything that has been discussed here so far.
06:31And the latest development regarding this case, and a very explosive one at that, in the United States of America,
06:38It is a book that was written two years ago by a recently deceased retired American military officer.
06:47retired U.S. Army Colonel Philip Corso,
06:51who wrote a book with completely fantastical content that one might throw in the trash or not believe.
06:57if it weren't for this gentleman, this former American soldier,
07:03He has been a member of the National Security Council during the presidency of Dwight Eisenhower,
07:10Back in the 1960s, he suddenly became head of a technology section under the Pentagon,
07:18He has been an advisor and specialist on national security issues to a senator named Turmont in the United States,
07:26And this man recounts, affirms, or confirms that the Roswell case is real,
07:32Yes, that's what really crashed in this area of the United States of America,
07:39This is located in the southwestern United States of America, the Roswell area, a desert region.
07:43It really was an alien spacecraft, and what...
07:48On what date did he state that?
07:49This, let's say, the book was written in the year 1987.
07:55So it's recent.
07:56It's recent, yes.
07:56And what happened from '47 until this year?
07:59Well, this man, somehow, remained silent, didn't he?
08:04because he considered that all of this had a lot to do with national security reasons,
08:09But what's interesting about Colonel Corzo's testimony is that he says that from that device,
08:15of that extraterrestrial that had crashed in the New Mexico desert,
08:20The US government seized items, trinkets, very interesting things,
08:25which were later, in some way, channeled to major American companies,
08:30like IBM, Dow Corning, and other top-tier companies, Hughes, right?
08:37in aeronautical matters, so that those companies and the government could then have
08:44certain novel elements, such as aeronautical technologies, computing elements,
08:51infrared viewers, etc., etc.
08:53It would be interesting if it were true.
08:54Of course, we're going to find that out during the course of this program, aren't we?
08:58Meanwhile, we want to tell you that we have two channels of communication.
09:01so you can tell us what you think.
09:03We have an email address, misteriosdeluniverso.com, where you can write what you think about the program.
09:11What would you like us to tell you? If you have any questions, great.
09:13You can also contact us by phone at 4-999-1155.
09:22I repeat, the phone number is 4-999-1155.
09:27We're taking a break, don't leave because we'll be right back.
09:30We continue analyzing the Roswell case here at Mysteries of the Universe.
09:56The other day I was thinking, how terrible that must have been for a power like the United States
10:01Imagine a spaceship suddenly falling on them, right?
10:03How can this be explained publicly?
10:06What do you think?
10:08Well, that's assuming it was a spaceship, right?
10:11To clarify, it might not have been a ship.
10:14Let's leave it in suspense for now, but there are quite a few hypotheses and fairly plausible explanations.
10:21which point in another direction, but let's watch the video.
10:24Do you have your doubts?
10:25Yes of course.
10:26There is controversy surrounding all of this because from the moment the ship crashes,
10:32Two projects are coming, one is Blue Book and the other is Project Mogul.
10:37which are really to try to cover up this type of phenomenon called UFOs,
10:43or ships, let's say you can't tell where they come from.
10:48Anyway, I think that one thing is the position of a government
10:51And another thing is the attitude of the people.
10:54How did people experience it?
10:56Excuse me, I'd like to clarify that Project Blue Book has nothing to do with Project Mogul.
10:59Let's say, they are two different things.
11:01Project Blue Book was an Air Force research project.
11:03Project Mogul was a research project of New York University
11:09with the support of the Air Force, but which had, let's say, no relationship
11:14at first with the UFO theme.
11:17It has a lot to do with the UFO phenomenon and Roswell.
11:23But Project Mogul was not a project dedicated to UFO research,
11:26but one of the explanations it has...
11:30Well, do you want to see how the city of Roswell lives today, 52 years after the event?
11:34We see it.
11:34Roswell is a city in New Mexico with 60,000 inhabitants.
11:41It is located about 400 kilometers from Albuquerque, the state capital,
11:46half an hour's flight from Miami and four hours from New York.
11:51One of the most important bases of the North American Air Force was located there.
11:56And while the alleged collision of two extraterrestrial spacecraft occurred in the Corona desert,
12:0170 kilometers from that city, it was called the Roswell case,
12:07due to the proximity of the air base that intervened immediately in the incident.
12:12In July 1945, in the New Mexico desert, near Roswell,
12:19The Manhattan Trinity Project was carried out, which was the first test of the atomic bomb.
12:25The explosion was so powerful that it was seen from three neighboring states.
12:31All the more reason, it moved and shook the inhabitants of Roswell.
12:36Two years later, on July 2, 1947, according to eyewitnesses and subsequent investigations,
12:45Two flying saucers crashed in the desert.
12:48One in Corona, and the other on the plain of San Agustín.
12:53Four alleged extraterrestrial creatures were found there,
12:58One is still alive, and the other three are dead.
13:03Some neighbors, attracted by the noise, approached the scene of the accident.
13:07and testified to the veracity of the event,
13:10that the US Air Force, as soon as it intervened,
13:14He categorically denied it and reported that what happened was the crash of a weather balloon to earth.
13:21Since then, Roswell remembers the event daily, even with good humor.
13:27Of the eyewitnesses to the accident, only one survivor remains.
13:32Gerald Anderson, who no longer lives there.
13:36He moved with his family to Missouri,
13:38But the residents of Roswell still remember that strange accident.
13:42Most businesses use a flying saucer as their logo.
13:47some doll that resembles those creatures,
13:50Or at least, the name of each business is linked to the existence of UFOs or extraterrestrial life.
13:57The cars bear a distinctive sticker that reads,
14:01I crashed in Roswell, New Mexico.
14:04Shops sell replicas of flying saucers,
14:07and dolls representing aliens at $18 each.
14:12Videos at a price ranging from $25 to $40.
14:16Earrings, bracelets, pins for 10 dollars,
14:20posters for $6,
14:22T-shirts, coffee cups and countless books, magazines, photographs and cards.
14:28The city has two museums dedicated to the subject.
14:32The UFO Enemann Museum,
14:34whose owner is John Price,
14:35and charges one dollar for admission,
14:38and the International UFO Museum and Research Center.
14:42Entry there is free.
14:43and it is directed by Walter Holt,
14:45who, when the event occurred,
14:47He was the press officer for the Air Force base,
14:50and issued the first statement reporting on the strange event
14:53occurred on July 2, 1947,
14:56who then, by order of his superiors,
15:00He should have denied it.
15:01The two museums and the Roswell incident
15:03They attract 150,000 tourists annually.
15:07Curiosity became an interesting economic resource
15:10for a city of 60,000 inhabitants,
15:13where 40% are of Mexican origin
15:16He speaks Spanish correctly,
15:19and most of its inhabitants
15:20They live in rural areas
15:22of agricultural activity
15:23and animal husbandry.
15:30Everyone agrees that they have to contribute something.
15:32Juan.
15:33Am I going to give Juan the opening first?
15:34Am I going to give you an opening, Juan?
15:36Will you allow it?
15:36Thank you so much.
15:38Before you speak,
15:39I already know what you're going to say.
15:41Telepath!
15:42Televera, no!
15:44Many things are said about Roswell.
15:46In other words, that's how it's spoken,
15:48because So-and-so wrote a book,
15:49And the other one said that there is this version,
15:50In another person there are thousands of versions,
15:52that was this, that was that.
15:54But many are forgetting the essentials
15:56and go to the sources.
15:58On Tuesday, July 8, 1947,
16:01When we saw him there in the video,
16:03when Blanchard sends Jot to the press release
16:06to say that what fell,
16:08He didn't say it in those words,
16:09But what he meant was that a weather balloon didn't fall.
16:11He didn't say a weather balloon fell,
16:12but what had fallen at that time
16:14It was called a flying saucer,
16:15which they later denied,
16:17Well, Arrigo's pressure came, they denied it.
16:18Everyone forgot about that.
16:19So, there was a colonel
16:21and Major Jess Marcel,
16:23that what they saw,
16:24even if they are a trial balloon,
16:27Do they know the difference between what a balloon is?
16:29and what is not a balloon.
16:30And if they released that statement
16:31It's because they realized that...
16:33Well, maybe they can't say,
16:34Perhaps there are many pressures.
16:36I would like to make a clarification.
16:38When Blanchard said
16:40than what had fallen in Roswell
16:43It was a flying saucer,
16:44or at least that's what he interpreted
16:46the press officer,
16:48Hout,
16:49who distributed this information
16:51in the media,
16:52He said flying saucer,
16:54the word flying disc
16:55or flying saucer
16:56It had only been used for 20 days.
16:58or less,
16:5913 days of use.
17:01That is to say,
17:01at that time
17:02the connotation it has today
17:03the expression flying saucer
17:05It had nothing to do with it
17:06with the one she has now.
17:07Clear.
17:07At that moment
17:08It was something that was unknown,
17:09He wasn't even linked
17:10with the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
17:11I mean,
17:12the majority hypothesis
17:14It was that it was
17:15of a secret weapon,
17:16of some kind of prototype
17:17developed by some power
17:20or even by the very
17:21USA.
17:22That is to say,
17:22There was no way
17:24this cultural connotation
17:25that it was acquiring
17:26with the...
17:27Well, but anyway,
17:28No?
17:28Excuse me, but I want to say
17:29because,
17:29But let me come to a conclusion.
17:31Let me come to a conclusion.
17:32What I wanted to say
17:33It was that at that moment
17:34since it lacked this connotation,
17:37say flying silver
17:38or say something fell
17:39we don't know what it is...
17:39It was practically identical.
17:40Therefore,
17:42when that statement was made
17:44I didn't know it was going to cause
17:45the mess it caused
17:4630 years later
17:47when this information
17:49It is recovered by ufologists.
17:50Let us also remember
17:51of this detail.
17:52I mean,
17:52the Roswell case
17:53It's not that it has
17:5350 years of life.
17:56It happened in the year 47,
17:57but only in 1968
17:58Ufologists appear
18:00that recover this history
18:01and they start spreading it.
18:02Clear,
18:03and on that topic
18:04I wanted to talk.
18:05What we just saw
18:05as an image
18:06It is based purely and exclusively
18:09in the research
18:10that a nuclear physicist did
18:11in the United States
18:12Dr. Stanton Friedman,
18:14Yes, ufologist,
18:15which talks about these two places
18:17of fall
18:17of one or two objects,
18:19UFOs,
18:20extraterrestrial spacecraft,
18:21Call it whatever you want.
18:23And it is based on,
18:24Friedman,
18:24to say that
18:25fundamentally
18:27in the testimony
18:27by Gerald Anderson.
18:29That's exactly it.
18:30what we are going to see
18:31in the next blog post.
18:31That in the United States
18:32is totally
18:34defenestrated,
18:35I even have it here
18:36a letter,
18:38it isn't true?,
18:38signed by Stanton Friedman
18:39where he says
18:40who no longer trusts
18:41in the testimony
18:42Anderson's.
18:43That happened in the year
18:441993.
18:46In such a way
18:47that this is a
18:48of the versions,
18:49But there is the version
18:50by Kevin Randall,
18:51the Air Force version
18:52and all this
18:53It needs to be put
18:54on the table
18:54in order to compare
18:55the different versions.
18:57The same goes for the dates,
18:58They vary greatly.
18:59Some say July 8th,
19:00Others say July 2nd,
19:01the location varies
19:03of the places.
19:04And suddenly
19:05in these images
19:07that we just saw
19:08They're talking about a flying saucer,
19:10But there are witnesses
19:11very respectable
19:12like Frank Kaufman
19:13who died
19:14about
19:162 years
19:16that speaks of an object
19:18shaped like an airplane
19:19with some wings
19:20small, Batman-type.
19:21So this
19:22It varies a lot.
19:23Anyway
19:23I think it's very interesting.
19:25There is no agreement.
19:26with respect
19:27How is the...
19:28One by one, one by one, one by one.
19:30It is important to understand
19:31also
19:31that somehow
19:33these beings
19:34that have fallen
19:35some showed
19:37somehow
19:38beings with 6 fingers,
19:41have shown
19:42film evidence
19:43that really
19:43they were disastrous
19:45because
19:45They were
19:47of dolls
19:48or to sell
19:49a product.
19:50But really,
19:51really
19:52It is being hidden
19:54all this
19:54for one simple reason
19:55and the projects
19:56in which I speak
19:57not exactly
19:58They are arming themselves
19:59because they appear
20:00extraterrestrial spacecraft.
20:01There are scientific projects
20:03very important
20:03to which
20:04I don't deny it.
20:06But it is important
20:06establish
20:07that if they
20:08came here
20:08and they would demonstrate
20:10about what
20:10with a single
20:12quartz crystal
20:13could arrive
20:14to have
20:14energy
20:15of a...
20:17of an atomic bomb
20:18or from a central
20:20nuclear,
20:21really,
20:21What would happen?
20:22What would happen then?
20:23with the big ones
20:24projects
20:25oil
20:26What's up?
20:27With all this,
20:28in this way,
20:29let's say,
20:30bad
20:30to dirty
20:32the environment.
20:33Well,
20:33But that's another perspective.
20:34We are now with
20:34the Roser case.
20:35We have
20:36to do
20:36a short break,
20:37We have a break,
20:38In total we have
20:38much more
20:39and after this pause
20:41Let's see
20:42a unique testimony
20:43that was never seen,
20:44believe,
20:44on Argentine television.
20:46We pause,
20:46We'll be right back.
20:53We continue analyzing
21:08the Roswell case
21:09and regardless
21:10of the versions
21:11and of the opinions,
21:12what one can
21:13also ask
21:14That's how it can be
21:15that beings that handle
21:16a higher energy,
21:18an energy,
21:19a technology
21:19that we do not know
21:21have an accident,
21:22because I thought
21:23that this
21:23belongs only
21:24to the terrestrial plane
21:25and human,
21:25How can this be?
21:26that they too
21:26have problems.
21:28Mario,
21:29What is your opinion?
21:29Well,
21:30precisely this quarantine
21:31planetary
21:32that has been discussed
21:33with extraterrestrial beings
21:34in higher evolutions,
21:36supposedly they are
21:37caregivers and security guards
21:38of the world,
21:39As I said before,
21:40are beings that
21:41They are representatives
21:42of planets,
21:43So there are
21:44a great universal government
21:45that really
21:46is watching
21:48at the moment
21:48planetary change
21:50that exists on Earth.
21:51Alright,
21:51but with respect
21:52to the Roswell case,
21:52the ship was shot down
21:54By whom?
21:55The ship was shot down
21:56supposedly
21:57by a species
21:59of galactic confederation.
22:00Didn't they have
22:01an accident
22:01And did they crash?
22:01Absolutely,
22:02including according to the analyses
22:04of the tests
22:05that have been established
22:06when they played
22:07the elements
22:08that have been damaged
22:10on the ship
22:11that crashed
22:11in Roswell,
22:12these elements
22:13by wrinkling them
22:14they turned again
22:15to normality.
22:16I mean,
22:17this,
22:18Based on this,
22:19I want to clarify one thing,
22:20Based on this,
22:21of what happened
22:21in Roswell,
22:22from this
22:24they started
22:24to evolve
22:26the whole issue
22:27aeronautical
22:28in the United States
22:29with the large devices
22:32that are not visible
22:34at radar level.
22:36I mean,
22:36they started taking out
22:37information,
22:38obviously,
22:39of what happened
22:40in Roswell.
22:40Well,
22:41I propose to you
22:41one thing.
22:43I'm fascinated
22:44the explanation
22:45that Mario just gave
22:46because of the ingredient
22:47magical
22:47and science fiction
22:48that it has.
22:49I don't want it.
22:49discredit
22:50What I mean by this,
22:51but a little
22:52this type of explanation
22:53they send us
22:54to the origins
22:55on the topic
22:56that are closely linked
22:56with science fiction.
22:57No no,
22:58The reality is that
22:58It surpasses fiction.
23:00Well,
23:00These are different positions.
23:01Meanwhile,
23:02I propose to you
23:03that we see
23:03to the testimony
23:05of the only living witness
23:06who witnessed
23:07the fall
23:08of the ship
23:08in Roswell.
23:09Jerry,
23:10What did you see?
23:11exactly
23:12that day
23:12of July
23:13of 1947?
23:15I believe
23:16that what we saw
23:17was the crash
23:18of a UFO,
23:20a flying saucer.
23:23It was kind of
23:24stuck into the side
23:25of a ridgeline
23:26and there was a lot
23:27of ground tore up
23:28in the area.
23:30How many
23:30extraterrestrials
23:32Did you see?
23:33We saw four
23:34of them
23:34or what I believe
23:35was extraterrestrials.
23:36I think
23:37at the time
23:37I thought
23:39They were dolls.
23:40You know,
23:40being a five-year-old
23:41kid,
23:42this didn't
23:44really dawn on me.
23:45But there was
23:46four of them.
23:47There were three
23:48of them laying
23:49on the ground
23:49and one of them
23:50sitting next to them.
23:51Were the four
23:52Are they moving?
23:53Well,
23:54Two of them weren't.
23:56One of them
23:57was kind of
23:57writhing around
23:58on the ground
23:59like it was
23:59in pain
24:00and injured.
24:01The other one
24:02was sitting
24:03directly,
24:03You know,
24:04right next to it,
24:05kind of cross-legged
24:06and there were
24:07some boxes
24:08or some kind
24:09of containers there.
24:11How did they
24:12react
24:12when they saw
24:13You approaching?
24:14The one
24:15That was all right.
24:16the one
24:17that was sitting
24:17upright,
24:19It reacted in fear.
24:20the second we approached.
24:23It sort of recoiled?
24:24Yeah,
24:24it put its hands
24:25up like this,
24:25like it was going
24:26to shield its face
24:27from us
24:28and kind of reacted
24:29like that
24:29as if it was
24:31afraid we were
24:32going to attack it
24:33and it calmed down.
24:36What do you
24:37Recall of that?
24:38I recall
24:39that there was
24:40about my size.
24:41They weren't
24:41very big at all.
24:43They were
24:44very slender.
24:45Their heads
24:46were much larger
24:47than,
24:49You know,
24:49in proportion
24:50to their body,
24:50completely out
24:51of proportion
24:52to their body
24:52from human standards.
24:54The creatures
24:56had these
24:57enormous
24:58black eyes.
25:01They were
25:01literally
25:01almond-shaped eyes
25:03and
25:04They were
25:05very shiny black
25:06And you know,
25:07something's
25:07really shiny black
25:09and has an
25:09almost murky blue
25:11reflection off of it.
25:12That's what I saw
25:15as far as
25:15their eyes
25:16were concerned.
25:16Their nose
25:17was very small,
25:19almost imperceptible.
25:20There was a slit
25:22with no lips,
25:23just a slit
25:24like for a mouth.
25:26Their heads
25:27were pear-shaped,
25:28just like an
25:29inverted pear.
25:30What about the ears?
25:31There were no ears.
25:32There was just
25:32like little mounds
25:34on the side
25:34of their heads
25:35with a hole
25:36directly into it.
25:37There was no,
25:38Like, you know,
25:38earlobes
25:39and stuff.
25:39They didn't have those.
25:40Were you
25:40in fear
25:42at the time?
25:43No.
25:44Were you surprised?
25:46Well, I think
25:47I was more
25:47fascinated
25:48because
25:48Here's a
25:50moving doll.
25:51You know,
25:52this thing
25:53was animated.
25:54You know,
25:54I'm a five-year-old
25:55kid,
25:55So, you know,
25:56I'm thinking,
25:57Wow,
25:57These are dolls.
25:58You know,
25:59and this one's
26:00alive,
26:01This one's moving.
26:02I think I was
26:02more fascinated
26:03than anything else.
26:04How long
26:04Would you say
26:05stay there?
26:05Forty-five minutes
26:06to an hour.
26:08And all these
26:09soldiers immediately
26:10rushed down the hill
26:11and started
26:12threatening people.
26:13Get away,
26:13get away,
26:14get away,
26:14get away,
26:14You know,
26:15and this captain
26:16was screaming
26:17insults at people
26:19and one of these
26:20soldiers took his
26:22rifle and shoved it
26:24into Ted's chest
26:26and pushed him
26:26back.
26:27I think we probably
26:28became as close
26:29to being shot
26:30as I've ever come
26:31in my life
26:32at that point.
26:33And the officer
26:34told my
26:35Dad and my uncle
26:36if you ever
26:37want to see
26:37your kids again,
26:39if you do not
26:40want to spend
26:40the rest of your
26:41life in federal
26:42prison,
26:43you will forget
26:44everything you saw
26:46here and you
26:47will follow our
26:48orders absolutely.
26:50And it wasn't
26:51a request,
26:53It was a demand.
26:56It must be terrible.
26:57having to witness
26:58of something that a
26:59power aims
27:00disguise.
27:01What do you think?
27:02I think that
27:03I'm going to go ahead
27:05In my conclusion
27:06because for another
27:06I want to block
27:06close with another
27:07stuff.
27:09Obviously
27:10Let's give it a try
27:12credibility a little bit
27:13yesterday we
27:14And we'll see
27:14that there really
27:15he saw what he
27:16He says he saw it.
27:17The question is
27:17What was it that
27:18Did he really see it?
27:19Because in
27:21Something fell at Roswell,
27:22the government never
27:23He denied that he did not fall
27:23nothing, always
27:24Something fell.
27:25The question is
27:25Was it really
27:26a ship
27:26extraterrestrial?
27:27Was it, as I share
27:29kind of the idea
27:30with Juan Faylá,
27:31some prototype
27:33terrestrial or was
27:34a weather balloon
27:35like others
27:36mops?
27:37I'm not really in favor of it.
27:38of the other thing.
27:38At first
27:40The presence arrives.
27:42Sorry,
27:43I want to say something,
27:44at no time
27:44had stated
27:45existence
27:46of a prototype
27:47terrestrial in this,
27:49It's simply
27:49one more possibility.
27:50I like them
27:51the statements
27:52from Colonel Corso,
27:53Corso says that
27:54This was alien.
27:55Anyway
27:56They're not ashamed
27:57to a poor man
27:58that really
27:58He had to be a witness,
28:00He didn't look for it,
28:00It happened to him,
28:01It happened to him.
28:02That's exactly it,
28:02what they don't want
28:03is for this to be spread,
28:06because if it spreads
28:07they would collapse
28:08all the great powers.
28:10Do you think
28:10in the men in black,
28:11For example?
28:12Well,
28:13There are people there.
28:14that are dedicated
28:15to establish
28:16this type
28:17of issues
28:19as
28:19that crashes
28:21the ship
28:21and these men
28:22suddenly appear
28:24as if to cover it up
28:25all things.
28:26They're like witches,
28:27They don't exist.
28:27But they do exist.
28:28There are some.
28:28I mean,
28:29first he denies it,
28:30then it is revealed
28:32the topic
28:33And then they say
28:34Be careful
28:34because these extraterrestrials
28:35They suck his blood
28:36or as such
28:38like a goat's lick,
28:39They suck his blood
28:40to the animals,
28:41They take them out,
28:41I mean,
28:42They try to create fear.
28:43so that people
28:44I didn't investigate
28:45on the subject,
28:46I mean,
28:46that it doesn't arrive
28:47to reality.
28:48This story
28:48of the men in black
28:49has its origin
28:50in the United States,
28:51a researcher
28:53American,
28:54William Moore,
28:56did, let's say,
28:57I mean,
28:58quite a few
28:58research
29:00on this topic
29:01and came to the conclusion
29:02that men
29:03in black
29:04were members
29:05of a squad
29:06of the Air Force
29:07North American
29:08in 1127
29:09that apparently
29:11they disguised themselves
29:12it isn't true?
29:12in black
29:13with makeup
29:15quite horrendous
29:16visited
29:17to certain witnesses
29:18that they had seen
29:19strange things
29:21in the sky
29:21and somehow
29:23They were being threatened.
29:25There are cases
29:26thus concrete
29:27with regard to this.
29:28Good,
29:28We have so much more
29:30here at Mysteries of the Universe
29:31and the Roswell case.
29:32We'll be right back.
29:32Thank you.
29:39Within the Roswell case
29:54which is ultimately about
29:55of a ship
29:56the most controversial
29:57It's because it's the first time
29:58on this Earth
29:59that are
30:00inside a strange ship
30:02four beings also
30:03terribly strange
30:04that supposedly
30:05They were extraterrestrials.
30:07What information
30:08Do you have Alejandra?
30:09Well,
30:10what not to leave
30:11to say
30:12because otherwise
30:12we would be missing
30:13the truth
30:13There's another bell
30:15with respect to the Roswell case.
30:17The other side
30:17he started hitting himself
30:19from the year 1992
30:21that a researcher
30:22civil
30:23American
30:24Robert Todd
30:25it comes to be found
30:27with a document
30:28a series of documents
30:29which refers
30:31to a project
30:32that up until that moment
30:32It was a secret
30:33of which we had
30:34made a mention
30:34quick before
30:35what is the project
30:36Omogul.
30:36The Omogul project
30:37It was a project
30:38dedicated
30:38to the detection
30:39of possible
30:41nuclear detonations
30:42in the Soviet Union.
30:43It was a balloon,
30:44a secret project,
30:45a project
30:46to which they had access
30:47very few people,
30:49In fact, many
30:49of those who participated
30:50of the project
30:50they didn't know
30:51what were they participating in,
30:52It was very compartmentalized.
30:53and for this reason
30:55when in July
30:57of 1947
30:58the military
31:00recover
31:01some remains
31:01that if one
31:02Read the description
31:04from the news
31:05of the time
31:06It's a description
31:07of the remains
31:08from a balloon,
31:09I mean,
31:09not from a ship
31:10but the remains
31:10from a balloon
31:11because they refer to
31:13to a strange material
31:15comparable
31:16to polyethylene
31:17because they speak
31:17in a raft-like manner.
31:18But there were beings,
31:19They met nearby.
31:19Well,
31:20the beings appeared
31:21in the year 78
31:22when they started
31:23to look for them
31:23But first
31:24There were no beings,
31:25I mean,
31:25the first news
31:26regarding Roswell
31:27It was never mentioned
31:28the fact
31:29that there were occupants
31:30in the slightest.
31:31This appeared
31:3130 years later.
31:33At that moment
31:33barely
31:34it was being said
31:35of the fall
31:35of an object
31:36and there were various
31:37interpretations
31:39regarding what had fallen
31:40but from then on
31:42let's say,
31:43then
31:43At least there was no talk
31:44of entities.
31:46Well,
31:47the truth is that
31:47This researcher
31:48It's at the point
31:50with this hypothesis
31:52of the Mogul project
31:52even before
31:54than the military.
31:54The military
31:55that's where they begin
31:55an investigation
31:56in the year 94
31:58publish
31:59this little book
32:01so they can see
32:02that the investigation
32:02has been
32:03quite exhaustive
32:05where
32:06meet
32:08all documents
32:09that prove
32:10that, let's say,
32:11that prove
32:11the explanation
32:12of the air force
32:13regarding this
32:15eventuality.
32:16We have a photo.
32:17And well,
32:18This was in 1994.
32:19In the year 97
32:20There is an expansion
32:22to the first publication
32:26which is called
32:27The Roswell Report
32:29This is the book
32:29also published
32:31by the forces
32:31North Americans
32:32where they advance
32:33an explanation
32:34attempt
32:35to say
32:35which was
32:36what they saw
32:37or what they said
32:38having seen
32:38those who claim
32:39that there were entities
32:41humanoids.
32:41They were made
32:42from the year 56
32:44some tests
32:44with balloons
32:45launch
32:46of mannequins.
32:47Okay, but can I say something?
32:48What can we expect?
32:49Let's suppose
32:50that the governments
32:51They want to hide this.
32:52What can we expect?
32:53Should they write a book?
32:54Or what do they say, right?
32:54Of course.
32:55That possibility always remains.
32:57I mean,
32:57the best thing about it
32:58the fact that the explanation
33:01the air force
33:02it's always
33:02one might suspect.
33:03There are witnesses
33:06that really
33:06they are indicating
33:07as witnesses
33:08that we just saw
33:09what are they saying
33:10that they saw
33:12those beings
33:12but nevertheless
33:14There are people
33:14that they are trying
33:15to make them deny
33:16for a logical reason
33:18Because if really
33:19I reiterate
33:20if really
33:21This is verified
33:22and something that is not wanted
33:24find out
33:24We are not being absent
33:26let's say a little
33:27to the truth.
33:27Well, I propose to you
33:27that we see this autopsy
33:29which really was
33:29very much so and it still is
33:31very controversial.
33:32We see her.
33:33This gentleman
33:37It's Ray Santilli
33:38the film producer
33:40looking for material
33:41for a film
33:42about the history of rock
33:43says he found
33:44with the filming
33:45from the autopsy
33:46from one of the strange
33:47Roswell creatures.
33:50His discovery
33:50can mean
33:51a momentous event
33:52for history
33:53of humanity
33:54as well
33:55a scandalous fraud.
33:57There are several dark spots
33:59in Santilli's story
34:00but one is mutually exclusive.
34:02identity
34:03from the cameraman.
34:05My agreement
34:05was to protect
34:06to that gentleman.
34:08There is no security.
34:09that he would not be persecuted
34:10Santilli replies.
34:12It is a man
34:13over 80 years old
34:14and there were people threatened
34:15just for commenting
34:17who saw something
34:17of the Roswell incident.
34:19What could happen to him?
34:20this man
34:21that somehow
34:22sold military secrets
34:23from the United States?
34:25Regarding the autopsy
34:27not only anonymity
34:29from the cameraman
34:29It is one of the points
34:30questioned.
34:32It was also mentioned
34:33the clock
34:33that is seen in the operating room
34:34and the telephone cable
34:36spiral-shaped
34:37that appears
34:38on one of the walls.
34:40The directory
34:41of General Electric
34:42testifies that the clock
34:43It's a model
34:44very common
34:45from the 1940s
34:46and the spiral cable
34:47appeared in the United States
34:49in 1937.
34:52Regarding antiquity
34:53from the movie
34:54where it was filmed
34:55the autopsy
34:56Larry Cate
34:57who 18 years ago
34:58works in manufacturing
35:00of Kodak films
35:01He stated that the code
35:03a square
35:04and a triangle
35:05They are the symbols
35:06used by the company
35:07Eastman Kodak
35:08from Rochester, New York
35:10in 1927
35:121947
35:14and 1967.
35:16The same codes
35:19confirms that
35:20they used to repeat themselves
35:22every 20 years.
35:25Alan Daviau
35:25It is one of the most
35:27established directors
35:28of Hollywood photography.
35:30He filmed
35:30E.T.,
35:31Baxi,
35:32The Empire of the Sun
35:33and Combo.
35:34Daviau
35:35suspects that the film
35:36It's a scam.
35:38He does not accept
35:38that each time
35:39that should be shown
35:40an important plan
35:41to end
35:42in an out-of-focus area.
35:44What we are seeing
35:45Alan Daviau comments
35:46is that someone
35:47intentionally
35:48It causes the image to be out of focus.
35:51It just can't be
35:51than a cameraman
35:52professional
35:53take a close-up
35:54and don't adjust the focus.
35:57However,
35:58Ryan Roderick,
35:59an expert cameraman
36:00that was
36:01for many years
36:02in the Armed Forces
36:03of the United States
36:04and that he filmed
36:05secret projects
36:06of the government,
36:07battles
36:07during World War II
36:09and even
36:10the essay
36:11of the atomic bomb
36:12on the atoll
36:13Bikini,
36:14he claims that the cameras
36:15from those years
36:16they did not allow
36:17adjust the focus.
36:19It's easy now,
36:20with the advances
36:21technological
36:21reached
36:22in the photograph,
36:23criticize the work
36:24done more
36:2550 years old,
36:27Roderick argues.
36:29Alan Daviau,
36:29for its part,
36:30he adds,
36:31the filming
36:32It's a farce
36:33or the cameraman
36:34It was the worst.
36:37At no point
36:38looked for a place
36:39that would allow one to see
36:39the work
36:40of the doctors
36:40and the detail
36:41of the organs
36:42of that creature.
36:49Dr. Chris Milroy,
36:51a prestigious pathologist
36:53forensic
36:53of the University
36:54from Sheffield,
36:55England,
36:56He is a specialist
36:57in determining
36:57the cause
36:58of suspicious deaths,
37:00consulted by
37:00doctors
37:01and institutions
37:02from all over the world.
37:05The doctor
37:05Cyril Wilts,
37:07former president
37:07of the Academy
37:08American
37:08of Forensic Sciences,
37:09has carried out work
37:11about more than
37:1240,000 autopsies.
37:15Both
37:15they claim
37:16that never
37:16they met
37:17with a being
37:18of the characteristics
37:19from which one sees
37:19in the film
37:20and even less so
37:21to do it
37:22an autopsy.
37:24That strange
37:25creature
37:25that is supposed
37:26It comes from space.
37:27abroad
37:27agrees
37:28with the image
37:29widespread
37:30that exists
37:30of appearance
37:31physics
37:32of the extraterrestrials.
37:34According to the film,
37:35the doctor comments
37:36Milroy,
37:37that creature
37:38has six fingers
37:39in the hands
37:39and the same
37:40on the feet,
37:42a condition
37:42known
37:43as
37:43polydactyly.
37:45It is a
37:46abnormality
37:46genetics,
37:48although it is very
37:48It's rare for it to happen again.
37:50in each hand
37:50and on each foot.
37:52For their part,
37:54the doctor
37:54Which
37:54he estimated that it was
37:55of a being
37:56female,
37:57a woman
37:58affected
37:58due to the syndrome
37:59Turner's,
38:00an alteration
38:01chromosomal
38:02that affects
38:03to a woman
38:04between 5,000.
38:06I have my doubts.
38:07about the alterations
38:08physical characteristics of that creature,
38:10the doctor adds
38:10Milroy.
38:12It's not about
38:12only to estimate
38:13that it may be
38:14of a woman
38:15with the syndrome
38:15Turner's.
38:16It also has
38:17six fingers,
38:18eyes too much
38:19big,
38:20the ears
38:21very small
38:22and they are not
38:23located
38:23on the spot
38:24that are usually
38:24in the head
38:25human.
38:26It is about
38:27of a case
38:27very strange
38:28which I don't think
38:29can be found
38:30described
38:30in literature
38:31medical.
38:34With respect
38:35to the work
38:35of the doctors
38:36who acted
38:36in the autopsy
38:37comment
38:38the doctor
38:38Which.
38:39I could say
38:40which is about
38:41by two surgeons
38:42but with little
38:43experience
38:43in performing
38:44necropsies.
38:46However,
38:47I see things
38:47which undoubtedly
38:48They have to do
38:49with the year
38:49in which it was carried out
38:50the intervention.
38:52A handsaw
38:53to cut
38:53the skull
38:54and the box
38:55of instrumentals.
38:57That tray
38:57rectangular
38:58typical
38:58from those years.
39:00I don't have
39:01a lot more
39:01What can I say?
39:02Regarding the autopsy,
39:03the doctor adds
39:04Midway.
39:05I understand
39:05that in question
39:06of an extraterrestrial
39:07the autopsy
39:08It should have lasted
39:09Anything else
39:10two hours.
39:11I think that
39:11It should have lasted
39:12days,
39:13weeks,
39:14months.
39:15If one knows
39:16what is
39:16an alien
39:17you must dissect it
39:19even
39:19for years.
39:22A question
39:22that arises is
39:23if I could
39:24to be about
39:24from someone
39:25affected
39:25for a
39:25experiment
39:26radioactive.
39:28This
39:28would explain
39:29not only
39:29the deformations
39:30physical
39:31but also
39:31the suits
39:32protectors
39:33that they used
39:33the doctors.
39:35We must remember
39:36that in Roswell
39:37where was it
39:38found
39:38this body
39:39is the place
39:40where
39:40It was done
39:41the program
39:41trial
39:42from the pump
39:42atomic.
39:44It's a topic
39:44which I don't know
39:45but of all
39:46ways
39:46I don't think so
39:47that the radiation
39:48nuclear
39:48can explain
39:49polydactyly
39:51like the
39:52disproportion
39:52cranial
39:53and of the orbits
39:54of the eyes
39:55reply
39:56the doctor
39:56Witt.
39:58To conclude
39:59the professor
40:00in medicine
40:00he ruled
40:01with some
40:02objections
40:02I could say
40:04that what
40:05I've seen here
40:05It's not human
40:07don't have
40:08items
40:08to ensure
40:09coming
40:09from another
40:10planet
40:10but I can
40:11say
40:12which is not
40:13a member
40:13of the race
40:14human
40:14and I know
40:16the race
40:17human.
40:21What are
40:22their conclusions
40:23Juan?
40:23Look
40:25the information
40:25that I have
40:26the thing is
40:27this movie
40:27has been
40:28analyzed
40:29by specialists
40:30in effects
40:31special
40:32researchers
40:33in different
40:34branches
40:34of the task
40:35scientist
40:35and most
40:37they agree
40:37in which this
40:38It's fraud.
40:39one of the frauds
40:39more scandalous
40:40that there has been
40:41in history
40:41of the phenomenon
40:42UFO.
40:42This does not mean
40:43to defenestrate
40:44the case
40:45Roswell
40:46that suddenly
40:47Well
40:47that the movie
40:47be fraudulent
40:49does not mean
40:49that I cannot
40:50to have had
40:51an explanation
40:52extraterrestrial
40:53although maybe
40:54in Roswell
40:54Many things happened
40:55more things
40:56and there were
40:56several cases
40:57and past
40:5850 years
40:59the witnesses
40:59confuse
41:00one thing
41:00with another.
41:01Carlos Yurchuk
41:02I'm going to close
41:02with an invitation
41:03to production
41:04what happened
41:05in Roswell
41:05It was 50 years ago
41:06and very far away
41:07from here
41:07yes to production
41:09he's interested
41:09let them investigate
41:11they
41:11what happened
41:12here in Argentina
41:13in Salta
41:13on the 17th
41:15August
41:16of 1995
41:174 years ago
41:18barely
41:18I can give them
41:19the data
41:19and initial witnesses
41:20that they later
41:21They take the investigation out.
41:22But what is your
41:23suggestion
41:23another Roswell
41:24another fall
41:26Okay, Alejandro.
41:27good for me
41:28It's quite clear.
41:29that the air force
41:30of the United States
41:31he put his foot in it
41:33He was wrong
41:34at the time
41:34when he spoke
41:35of flying saucers
41:36when still
41:37I didn't know
41:37what was it about
41:38due to lack of knowledge
41:40they said it was
41:41any balloon
41:42when in reality
41:42It was the balloon
41:43of a secret project
41:45And he messed up again.
41:47when he spoke
41:47of the explanation
41:49this one with the mannequins
41:49which is not either
41:50completely plausible
41:51however
41:52I keep thinking
41:54which is quite reasonable
41:55the explanation
41:56according to which
41:57in Roswell
41:57They close a lot for me
41:59what fell
42:00It was a balloon
42:01of an experiment
42:03American
42:04dedicated to research
42:05of nuclear detonations
42:06in the Soviet Union
42:07and that the Roswell case
42:09the myth that has been created
42:10around Roswell
42:11It has a lot to do with it
42:12with the need
42:13to channel
42:15the argument
42:16that there
42:16among the Americans
42:18and the believers
42:18on these topics
42:19towards the air force
42:21North American
42:22causing it
42:23to hide information
42:24But there are people
42:26who saw it
42:27and people
42:27Mario
42:28something that makes us
42:29reflect
42:30as a first measure
42:31that
42:31why did it fall
42:33precisely in Roswell
42:34when he was
42:34the Manhattan Project
42:36to drop the atomic bomb
42:38There's something it's telling us
42:39something is happening
42:41in that place
42:41Why are they creating it?
42:43like a fantasy
42:44when really
42:44That's true
42:45that these beings
42:46They had four fingers
42:48that suddenly
42:49They were one meter twenty
42:50height
42:51or we can say
42:52all based on this
42:53But why really?
42:55has been given
42:56so much importance
42:57to this
42:57really
42:58behind all this
42:59It was the government
42:59who created it
43:00Well
43:01the controversy
43:02go on
43:02imagine
43:03that 52 years ago
43:04that this case
43:05It sparked controversy.
43:06And it's a global controversy
43:07We're not going to solve it
43:08us in a single program
43:09Thank you
43:10to you
43:11the presence
43:11Thanks Mario
43:12Thank you, Alejandro.
43:13Thanks Carlos
43:14Thanks Juan
43:14whenever
43:15We have it again
43:16in this program
43:17We take another pause
43:18We'll be right back
43:20We have reached the end
43:38of this controversial program
43:40about the Roswell case
43:41and we're interested in knowing
43:42your opinion
43:43take advantage
43:44because this is the first time
43:45in Argentina
43:46that a program is made
43:47pluralistic
43:47on broadcast television
43:48about UFOs
43:50Can you give us your opinion?
43:51from the email
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43:53at telefe.com
43:56And if not
43:56by telephone
43:57to 4999-1155
44:01really
44:01We are interested in knowing
44:02your opinion
44:03and also
44:04whatever you can
44:04contribute and collaborate
44:06for the third program
44:07Let's talk
44:08on another topic
44:08truly controversial
44:09and exciting
44:10What are abductions?
44:12What are abductions?
44:13the kidnappings
44:14I mean
44:14take an individual
44:16against the will
44:17of the witness
44:18This is a topic
44:19thrilling
44:19and we have
44:20to a woman
44:21What is he going to tell us?
44:22everything that happened to them
44:23here at Mysteries of the Universe
44:25next Sunday
44:26see you
44:26bye
44:26thank you
44:26thank you
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