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The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnell - Season 13 - Episode 35
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00:00Well, the tourist attraction that calls itself the British Royal Family has a problem tonight
00:05that it has not had since 1647.
00:09The family, in whose name crimes against humanity and freedom have been committed around the
00:14world for centuries, suffered its first arrest in 379 years today.
00:21The little brother character called Andrew, who now goes by an invented last name, was
00:27arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.
00:31It is a crime taken so seriously in British common law, where it has mostly rested quietly
00:38for hundreds of years, that the crime carries a maximum penalty of death, as so many crimes
00:45did centuries ago when British common law was taking formation.
00:49It was an announcement that no one wanted to make.
00:53And so, it fell to Assistant Chief Constable Oliver Wright to tell the world today, in
01:03writing, quote, following a thorough assessment, we have now opened an investigation into this
01:09allegation of misconduct in public office.
01:13The investigation was begun at the urging of an anti-monarchy group led by Graham Smith,
01:19who first notified authorities that they found evidence in the Epstein files that could indicate
01:24Andrew was passing British government secrets to his friend, the sex trafficker and child
01:30rapist Jeffrey Epstein.
01:31Julie Kay Brown is the investigative reporter at the Miami Herald, who illuminated the crimes
01:36of Jeffrey Epstein more fully than anyone else in the American news media.
01:41She wrote this today, after Andrew's arrest.
01:44His arrest comes just four days after the Daily Mail reported that he passed on sensitive
01:49information about the taxpayer-owned Royal Bank of Scotland to Epstein when he was representing
01:55the U.K. as a trade envoy.
01:57Documents released by the U.S. Department of Justice as part of the Epstein Files Transparency
02:02Act revealed that Andrew leaked details he learned from meeting with bank executives in the wake
02:07of a $45 billion bailout.
02:10Andrew also allegedly passed on other sensitive information he learned to a banker friend,
02:15according to the Telegraph.
02:16Interestingly, Andrew's arrest is not concerning the 2011 sexual assault allegations that were
02:23brought against him by Virginia Giuffre.
02:26But it was recent stories in the British media about him passing on financial information to
02:32what the British press called his pedo mate.
02:38Andrew has denied any wrongdoing in connection with Jeffrey Epstein, but no one in Britain seems
02:45to believe that.
02:46Andrew's older brother set a very, very low bar throughout his life for Andrew's behavior
02:53to be judged better than his older brother Charles, who, while married to his first wife,
03:00was heard in a telephone call that was made public to the world, imagining himself to be a tampon
03:08for his then-girlfriend, who is now his current wife.
03:14Such is the disgrace of Charles.
03:18But today, Charles has the assurance of history that his younger brother has out-disgraced him
03:26by a wide margin now.
03:29Charles said the right thing today, the thing that Donald Trump would never say and did not say
03:34when given an opportunity today.
03:36Charles issued a statement saying, quote,
03:39I have learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor,
03:43and suspicion of misconduct in public office.
03:47What now follows is the full, fair, and proper process by which this issue is investigated
03:52in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate authorities.
03:55In this, as I have said before, they have our full and wholehearted support and cooperation.
04:01Let me state clearly, the law must take its course.
04:06As this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter.
04:12Notice the contrast between what Charles said about his brother and what Donald Trump said.
04:24I think it's a shame.
04:25I think it's very sad.
04:27I think it's so bad for the royal family.
04:29It's very, very sad.
04:31To me, it's a very sad thing.
04:32When I see that, it's a very sad thing.
04:34To see it and to see what's going on with his brother,
04:38who's obviously coming to our country very soon,
04:41and he's a fantastic man, the king.
04:43So I think it's a very sad thing.
04:46It's really interesting because nobody used to speak about Epstein when he was alive.
04:52A very sad thing.
04:54He thinks it's very sad.
04:57The guy's brother didn't express sympathy for his brother.
05:01Charles didn't say, I think it's very sad.
05:03Donald Trump said, to me, it's a very sad thing.
05:08So, Andrew, getting arrested is a very sad thing to Donald Trump.
05:13And Donald Trump did not say the law must take its course.
05:17Donald Trump has never said, it's a very sad thing,
05:21after listening to any of the victims and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking and rape.
05:27Donald Trump has never expressed a single word of sympathy for any one of them.
05:34But arresting a friend of Jeffrey Epstein,
05:38Donald Trump, who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend for 10 years,
05:43thinks is very, very sad.
05:47Virginia Giuffre was 16 years old when Donald Trump's old friend Ghislaine Maxwell found her working in the spa at
05:55Donald Trump's Florida club.
05:58Ghislaine Maxwell brought Virginia Giuffre to Jeffrey Epstein's house in Florida.
06:05Previously on this program, I have read Virginia Giuffre's account of what happened there
06:10and how Jeffrey Epstein had sex with her the day he met her
06:14in the presence and with the help of convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.
06:22Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficked Virginia Giuffre to Andrew in London.
06:31Virginia Giuffre was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
06:35And then for some years, she was a survivor.
06:39And last year, she could survive no more.
06:42And took her own life.
06:45In her memoir, which was published shortly after she died,
06:50titled Nobody's Girl, a Memoir of Surviving Abuse and Fighting for Justice,
06:57She described her first encounter with Andrew in London in detail.
07:03She said it was, quote,
07:04as if he believed having sex with me was his birthright.
07:09She said the sexual encounter was rushed.
07:12And then, quote,
07:15afterward, he said, thank you, in his clipped British accent.
07:19In my memory, the whole thing lasted less than half an hour.
07:22The next morning, it was clear that Maxwell had conferred with her royal chum
07:27because she told me, you did well.
07:29The prince had fun.
07:31Epstein would give me $15,000
07:33for servicing the man the tabloids called Randy Andy.
07:40Today, Virginia Giuffre's family issued this statement.
07:45At last, today, our broken hearts have been lifted at the news
07:48that no one is above the law, not even royalty.
07:51On behalf of our sister, Virginia Roberts Giuffre,
07:54we extend our gratitude to the UK's Thames Valley Police
07:57for their investigation and arrest of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
08:01He was never a prince.
08:03For survivors everywhere, Virginia did this for you.
08:06In a 2009 television interview in which Andrew desperately tried and failed
08:11to get control of the story of his friendship
08:14and possible sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein,
08:18Andrew denied what was already Virginia Giuffre's public accusation
08:23about being trafficked to him.
08:26She says she met you in 2001.
08:30She dined with you.
08:32She danced with you.
08:33You bought her drinks.
08:36You were in Tramp Nightclub in London.
08:38And she went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia
08:43belonging to Ghirlane Maxwell.
08:45Didn't happen.
08:47Do you remember her?
08:49No.
08:50I've no recollection of ever meeting her.
08:54I'm almost, in fact, I'm convinced
08:57that I was never in trance with her.
09:02No one else was convinced
09:05by that interview.
09:07No one believed Andrew.
09:09And that interview forced his family
09:12to begin the process of cutting ties with him.
09:16That's how much they didn't believe him.
09:18In the same interview,
09:19Andrew was asked
09:20why he continued his friendship
09:22with Jeffrey Epstein,
09:24who was convicted of soliciting sex
09:27with an underage child.
09:31In 2008, he was convicted of soliciting
09:35and procuring a minor for prostitution.
09:38He was jailed.
09:40This was your friend.
09:41How did you feel about it?
09:43Well, I ceased contact with him
09:46after I was aware that he was under investigation.
09:51And that was later on in 2006.
09:58And I wasn't in touch with him again until 2010.
10:02So it was one of those things
10:06that somebody's going through that sort of thing.
10:07Well, I'm terribly sorry.
10:08I can't be...
10:09So no contact?
10:10No contact.
10:10When he was serving time,
10:12there was no call, no letter, nothing there.
10:15No.
10:16No.
10:16He was released in July.
10:18Within months, by December of 2010,
10:21you went to stay with him at his New York mansion.
10:25Why?
10:25Why were you staying with a convicted sex offender?
10:28Right.
10:29I have always...
10:32Ever since this has happened,
10:33and since this has become, as it were,
10:36public knowledge that I was there,
10:37I've questioned myself as to why did I go,
10:42and what was I doing,
10:43and was it the right thing to do?
10:46Now, I went there with the sole purpose
10:48of saying to him that because he had been convicted,
10:52it was inappropriate for us to be seen together.
10:58That disastrous 2019 interview
11:01includes Andrew's assessment of his friendship
11:04with a sex trafficker and raper of children,
11:08and Andrew's assessment of the value of that friendship
11:12can and will be used against him in court.
11:18Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein?
11:23Now, still not.
11:26And the reason being is that the people that I met
11:30and the opportunities that I was given to learn,
11:36either by him or because of him,
11:40were actually very useful.
11:44Andrew was not the only one with a pedo mate.
11:48The richest person in Ohio had the same pedo mate
11:51for decades, and that is how Jeffrey Epstein
11:54got so rich.
11:56Ohio billionaire Leslie Wexner,
11:57who owned thousands of retail clothing stores,
12:00said yesterday in a deposition
12:02for the House Oversight Committee
12:03that he was duped by Jeffrey Epstein,
12:07and he actually tried to deny under oath
12:10that he was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
12:13He resisted the word friend, under oath.
12:17And then this happened.
12:23You've said a few times throughout this deposition today
12:27that you did not consider Mr. Epstein a friend of yours.
12:30However, you signed this letter,
12:32and I quote,
12:33your friend Leslie,
12:35why would you sign your friend Leslie
12:38to someone you did not consider
12:39to be a friend of yours?
12:41I don't know.
12:44For a member of the British royal family,
12:47you can't get away with answers like that
12:50in interviews.
12:52But if you are an American billionaire,
12:55if you are the richest person in Ohio,
12:59that works for you.
13:00You'll still be the richest person in Ohio
13:03after you say that,
13:04after you're seen testifying that way on video.
13:08No price to pay.
13:10If any member of the British cabinet
13:12lied about a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein
13:16the way Donald Trump's lying Commerce Secretary,
13:18Howard Lutnick, did,
13:20that person would be immediately removed
13:22from office in Britain
13:24and banished in disgrace
13:26as other British politicians
13:27have already experienced
13:29because of their association
13:30with Jeffrey Epstein.
13:31Today, Julie Kay Brown wrote,
13:33it's astonishing how much accountability
13:35seems to be possible
13:37once you cross the Atlantic.
13:39In her book,
13:40Virginia Giuffre wrote about
13:41the moment she met Andrew.
13:44She wrote,
13:46when Prince Andrew arrived
13:47at the house that evening,
13:49Maxwell was more coquettish than usual.
13:51Guess Jenna's age,
13:53she urged the prince
13:54after she introduced me.
13:56The Duke of York,
13:57who was then 41,
13:59guessed correctly.
14:0117.
14:03My daughters are just a little younger than you,
14:06he told me,
14:07explaining his accuracy.
14:08As usual,
14:09Maxwell was quick with a joke.
14:11I guess we will have to trade her in soon.
14:17The lives of the people in that scene
14:21have changed dramatically.
14:24Ghislaine Maxwell is serving a 20-year sentence
14:26for sex trafficking,
14:27hoping for a pardon from Donald Trump,
14:29who has said this about his old friend Ghislaine Maxwell,
14:32I just wish her well.
14:35I just wish her well.
14:36And now Andrew
14:38has been arrested.
14:41And Virginia Giuffre continues
14:43to testify against him
14:46from the grave.
14:50Leading off our discussion tonight
14:51is Congressman Robert Garcia of California.
14:53He's the top Democrat
14:54on the House Oversight Committee.
14:55It was in that deposition
14:57in Ohio yesterday.
14:59Congressman Garcia,
15:00you had no idea,
15:01as you were conducting
15:02that deposition yesterday,
15:04that Andrew would be
15:05the breaking news today,
15:07an actual arrest for someone,
15:10apparently because
15:11of involvement
15:13with Jeffrey Epstein.
15:17That's absolutely right.
15:19Look, I think that first,
15:20it's been pretty stunning
15:22to see what's happened today.
15:24And it is good to see action
15:26being taken in the UK.
15:29The former prince
15:30has to be held accountable.
15:32I'm glad there was an arrest.
15:34I'm glad the people of the UK
15:36have been up in arms.
15:37There have been real consequences.
15:39And of course,
15:40that leads us here in the US
15:41to think,
15:42when is that going to happen here
15:44in our own country?
15:45When will we begin
15:46to hold these powerful men
15:49accountable?
15:50And what's been stunning
15:51about today
15:52is I have actually heard
15:53directly from survivors
15:55who have begun
15:56to see some hope.
15:57They feel like things
15:58are finally beginning
15:59to happen.
16:00And they're hopeful
16:01that that can also happen
16:03here in the United States.
16:05We have to have accountability.
16:08This cover-up,
16:09which is clearly being directed
16:11by the DOJ
16:12and the present
16:13has to end.
16:14The files fully
16:16have to be released.
16:17And all those powerful men,
16:20like the former prince,
16:22need to be held accountable
16:23for the horrific crimes,
16:27trafficking,
16:28rape of children
16:29that they've all
16:30been involved with.
16:31We saw him
16:33in that interview
16:34in 2019
16:35saying,
16:37thinking,
16:37he could get away
16:38with saying
16:39at that time
16:40that he did not regret
16:41his involvement
16:43with Jeffrey Epstein.
16:45You have
16:47Howard Lutnik
16:48in Donald Trump's cabinet
16:50not regretting
16:52that he lied
16:53about his relationship
16:54with Jeffrey Epstein
16:55just a couple of months ago
16:57in an interview.
17:03That's exactly right.
17:05And what's been horrific
17:06about that
17:06is it's folks
17:08like Howard Lutnik,
17:10it's people
17:11around the president,
17:12it's him,
17:13he himself,
17:14who's called
17:14this whole thing
17:15a hoax.
17:17What is going on
17:18at the White House
17:19and the DOJ?
17:20Why is Pam Bondi
17:22obsessed
17:23with covering up
17:24the crimes
17:24of billionaires?
17:25Why are we not
17:26getting access
17:27to the full files?
17:29And back to Lutnik,
17:30we should be really clear.
17:32He said in that interview
17:34that he essentially
17:35cut off ties
17:36with Epstein.
17:36Not only did he continue
17:38to have a relationship,
17:39he goes on
17:40to go on
17:41to his island.
17:41His wife communicates
17:43with him.
17:43He goes into business
17:44with him.
17:45He actually has
17:46an active friendship
17:47and relationship
17:47with someone
17:48that had already
17:49been convicted
17:50of sex trafficking
17:52of minors.
17:53And yet he's right now
17:54still in our government?
17:56Where's the accountability
17:57for Howard Lutnik?
17:58Where's the continued
17:59accountability
18:00for Alex Acosta?
18:01Why aren't we going
18:02after the people
18:03that have committed
18:04the crimes
18:04here in the U.S.?
18:05And that's what I think
18:06our country right now,
18:07both Republicans
18:08and Democrats,
18:09are asking themselves.
18:12Has the British
18:13government in any way
18:14communicated
18:14with the committee
18:15for any assistance
18:16in their investigation?
18:19So we have had
18:20some communication.
18:21We've also been,
18:22we have sent
18:23some letters
18:23to the former prince
18:26and his representatives
18:26and quite frankly
18:28we're hoping
18:28to hear back.
18:29Look, we've gotten
18:30some response
18:31from them
18:32which we are working
18:34through right now
18:35but what I can say
18:36is this,
18:38the former prince
18:39should be held accountable
18:39for the horrific,
18:41horrific things
18:42he's done
18:42and at the same time
18:44he has important information.
18:45So I hope
18:47that as the former prince
18:49deals with the horrors
18:50of his actions
18:51and the damage
18:52and the terror
18:53that he has caused
18:53he thinks about
18:55how he can begin
18:56to bring justice
18:57for the survivors
18:58in the future
18:59and the reality is
19:00that he has
19:01critical investigation
19:03for us
19:04and the oversight committee
19:05to assess
19:06and so we want to talk
19:07to the former prince.
19:09We want to understand
19:09who else was in those rooms,
19:12who else participated
19:13in those horrors.
19:15How did Jeffrey Epstein
19:16gain access
19:17to so many powerful people?
19:19What foreign governments
19:20were involved
19:21if any
19:22in the financing of Epstein
19:24and so look,
19:25not just the former prince
19:26but a lot of powerful people
19:27have information
19:28that is critical
19:29to our investigation.
19:30Carson Garcia,
19:32we want to continue
19:32this conversation
19:34but I have to squeeze
19:34in a commercial break.
19:35I want to ask you
19:36about that deposition
19:37yesterday
19:37that you participated in
19:39of Leslie Wexner
19:40when we come back.
19:41We'll be right back
19:42after this break.
19:47Today,
19:47the House Oversight Committee
19:48released video
19:49of yesterday's deposition
19:51with billionaire
19:51Leslie Wexner,
19:52the man who made
19:53Jeffrey Epstein rich enough
19:55to run an international
19:56sex trafficking conspiracy.
19:58Under oath,
19:59Leslie Wexner
20:00told the committee
20:01he had no idea
20:03that his friend
20:04was an international
20:06sex trafficking pedophile.
20:10I think the perspective
20:13that I have now
20:14and I think
20:14what's really important
20:15for this group
20:16to understand
20:18is that
20:18as I look back
20:19at it,
20:20I was conned
20:21by the world
20:22Olympic
20:23all-time con artist.
20:27and you look at
20:28I read in the news
20:30all the people
20:30he knew
20:31royalty
20:33kings,
20:34princes
20:34and all that
20:36an incredible
20:37con artist.
20:40Leslie Wexner
20:41opened a store
20:41in Ohio
20:42in 1963
20:43that quickly
20:43became successful
20:44and he built
20:45that business
20:45into a worldwide
20:46empire
20:47of thousands
20:48of retail
20:49clothing stores
20:50that made him
20:51one of the richest
20:52people
20:52selling clothing
20:54on this planet.
20:58Do you think
20:59Mr. Epstein
21:00thought
21:02you two
21:03to be friends?
21:04Objection.
21:08I don't know
21:09what he thought.
21:12Leslie Wexner
21:13says
21:13that he handed
21:14over his entire
21:15fortune
21:16to Jeffrey Epstein's
21:17control.
21:18He gave
21:18Jeffrey Epstein
21:19the power of attorney
21:20to sign
21:20checks
21:21to sell
21:22assets
21:22that belonged
21:23to Leslie Wexner
21:24to do anything
21:25Jeffrey Epstein
21:26wanted to do
21:27with Leslie Wexner's
21:28money
21:29but
21:29now
21:30Leslie Wexner
21:31says
21:32he didn't think
21:33they were friends.
21:35Even though
21:37he contributed
21:38the second
21:39creepiest
21:40entry
21:41in Jeffrey Epstein's
21:4350th
21:44birthday book
21:45outdone
21:46only
21:47by the one
21:48with Donald Trump's
21:49signature on it
21:50which includes
21:50a drawing
21:51of a naked
21:52woman
21:52and the line
21:54may every day
21:56be another
21:57wonderful secret.
21:59The man
22:00who had trouble
22:00calling Jeffrey Epstein
22:02a friend
22:02under oath
22:03yesterday
22:04admitted
22:04giving
22:05giving to Jeffrey Epstein
22:07this birthday card
22:10signed
22:11your friend
22:13Leslie.
22:17Did you
22:18yourself
22:19write this letter
22:19to Mr. Epstein?
22:21Sadly I did.
22:26did Ms. Maxwell
22:27approach you
22:28to write this
22:29letter
22:29for Mr. Epstein's
22:30birthday?
22:34I think the
22:35request was
22:36to write
22:36a card
22:37or a note
22:37or something
22:38for a birthday
22:39book.
22:40And did
22:41that come
22:42from Ms. Maxwell?
22:43I don't
22:43remember.
22:47Mr. Wexner
22:48would you
22:49please
22:50read the
22:51main body
22:52of the birthday
22:52note for the
22:53record please?
22:54I wanted to get
22:55you what
22:56you want
22:57so here it is
22:58happy birthday
22:59your friend
23:00Leslie.
23:01And
23:02what was your
23:03understanding
23:03of what
23:04Mr. Epstein
23:05would want?
23:09He was a
23:10bachelor
23:10so I drew
23:11a pair of
23:11boobs.
23:16It's
23:16kind of a
23:17joke
23:18and
23:18offhandedly
23:19I'd say.
23:20I understand.
23:22I hope you do.
23:24You've
23:25said a few
23:26times
23:26throughout
23:27this deposition
23:28today that
23:29you did not
23:29consider
23:30Mr. Epstein
23:31a friend
23:31of yours
23:32however you
23:32signed this
23:33letter
23:33and I quote
23:34your friend
23:35Leslie
23:36why would
23:37you
23:37sign
23:38your friend
23:39Leslie
23:40to someone
23:40you did
23:40not consider
23:41it to be
23:41a friend
23:42of yours.
23:43I don't
23:43know.
23:46Carson
23:47and Jasmine
23:47Crockett
23:47asked Leslie
23:48Wexner about
23:49Jeffrey Epstein
23:49and Donald
23:50Trump.
23:52Did you
23:53ever spend
23:54time with
23:54Epstein
23:55and Donald
23:55Trump?
23:58Together?
23:59Yes.
24:11I want to
24:11answer this
24:12question
24:12accurately.
24:14I would go
24:15to some
24:16of the
24:16Victoria's
24:16Secret
24:17fashion shows
24:18because it was
24:18very important
24:18to the brand.
24:20At some
24:20of the fashion
24:21shows Jeffrey
24:21was there
24:22and some
24:22Trump was
24:23there and
24:23I remember
24:24because Trump
24:25would always
24:25introduce himself
24:26to me and
24:27I always
24:27thought it
24:28was kind
24:28of odd
24:29that he
24:30was at the
24:30fashion show
24:31because he
24:31had nothing
24:32to do with
24:32fashion.
24:35Back with us
24:36Congressman Robert
24:36Garcia,
24:37top Democrat
24:38in the House
24:38Oversight Committee
24:39present at that
24:40deposition yesterday.
24:41What was your
24:41assessment of his
24:42testimony?
24:45I mean look
24:47Wexner is just
24:48not credible
24:48and he wasn't
24:49credible during
24:50his testimony.
24:51I think it
24:52is so
24:53outrageous
24:54and I'm
24:55not sure
24:55if Wexner
24:56thinks he
24:56can just
24:57pull a
24:57fast one
24:58on the
24:59committee
24:59and the
25:00American
25:00public
25:00but to
25:02say that
25:02he was
25:03not friendly
25:04or not
25:04a friend
25:05of Epstein's
25:06is such
25:07a blatant
25:08lie.
25:10Let's be
25:10really clear.
25:12I mean
25:12Wexner gave
25:13Epstein
25:14hundreds
25:14and hundreds
25:15of millions
25:16of dollars
25:17of his
25:17own fortune.
25:19Wexner
25:20gave Epstein
25:21the co-presidency
25:23of the
25:23community
25:24he founded
25:24in Ohio.
25:25He provided
25:26him the
25:27power over
25:27his entire
25:28estate.
25:29He gave
25:30him payments
25:30to then
25:31pay
25:32gynecologists
25:33for God
25:33knows what.
25:35They were
25:35friendly.
25:36He went
25:36to the
25:36island.
25:37He went
25:37to his
25:38properties.
25:38He wrote
25:39him birthday
25:40notes.
25:40They talked
25:41on the
25:41phone.
25:42They saw
25:42each other
25:42at events
25:43but they
25:43were not
25:44friends?
25:46Let's
25:47be really
25:48clear here.
25:48Wexner
25:49is the
25:50reason
25:50that there
25:51is an
25:51Epstein
25:52island.
25:52That there
25:53is an
25:53Epstein
25:53plane.
25:54That there
25:54is enough
25:55fortunes
25:56and wealth
25:56to abuse
25:57and rape
25:58and terrorize
25:59women and
26:00children across
26:01this country
26:02and around
26:03the world.
26:03That is in
26:04large part
26:05because of
26:06Wexner's
26:07fortune.
26:08Wexner has
26:09the audacity
26:10to sit
26:10there and
26:11tell us
26:11that he
26:11wasn't
26:12friends with
26:13Jeffrey
26:13Epstein.
26:14It's
26:15outrageous.
26:16It's
26:17unconscionable.
26:17And I
26:18think that
26:18the American
26:18public should
26:20be as
26:20furious as
26:21we are at
26:22seeing what's
26:23happening right
26:23now in this
26:24country.
26:25We are seeing
26:25the most
26:26powerful
26:26billionaires,
26:28the most
26:28powerful people
26:30try to cover
26:31up this
26:32enormous,
26:34horrific sex
26:34trafficking ring,
26:35probably the
26:35largest in the
26:36modern era.
26:37And the abuse
26:38of these women
26:39and these
26:40children, they
26:40deserve justice.
26:42And Mr.
26:43Wexner is an
26:45enormous part of
26:46why this harm
26:47happened to
26:47so many
26:47people.
26:49People who
26:50have studied
26:51this have
26:51said there
26:51could be no
26:52Jeffrey Epstein
26:53sex trafficking
26:54conspiracy
26:55worldwide ring
26:56without Wexner's
26:58money.
27:01It's exactly
27:02right.
27:02It's just not
27:03possible.
27:04And you have
27:05to think also
27:06that Wexner
27:07gave essentially
27:09the power of
27:10his entire
27:11estate to
27:12Epstein.
27:13Epstein was
27:13cutting checks
27:14and making
27:15investments and
27:16going into
27:17business and
27:17doing all
27:18sorts of
27:20favors for
27:21Wexner.
27:22We've got to
27:23end this
27:23cover-up now.
27:25Congressman
27:26Robert Garcia,
27:27thank you very
27:27much for
27:28joining us
27:28tonight.
27:33And coming
27:34up, it's
27:35murder.
27:36That's what a
27:37new federal
27:37lawsuit says
27:38about Donald
27:38Trump's missile
27:39attacks off the
27:40coast of South
27:40America that
27:42have now killed
27:44145 people.
27:45that's next.
27:50The president
27:51of the United
27:52States does
27:52not have the
27:53unlimited right
27:54to murder
27:55people at sea
27:56the way Donald
27:56Trump seems to
27:57think that he
27:58does.
27:58Donald Trump
27:58has killed at
27:59least 145 people
28:00with missile
28:01strikes on
28:02small boats,
28:03outboard motor
28:03boats off the
28:05shores of South
28:06America.
28:06The latest
28:07strike was on
28:08Monday in a
28:09series of attacks
28:10on three small
28:11boats in which
28:11Donald Trump
28:12killed 11
28:13people.
28:13Donald Trump
28:14claims without
28:15any evidence at
28:17all that all of
28:18the people he has
28:19killed in those
28:20small boats were
28:21smuggling drugs on
28:23those boats.
28:24There is no
28:25evidence of that.
28:27None.
28:28And now the
28:29families of 26-year-old
28:30Chad Joseph and
28:3141-year-old Rishi
28:33Samaru, two
28:34Trinidadian men
28:35killed in a missile
28:37strike in October,
28:38are now suing the
28:39United States
28:39government for
28:40wrongful death.
28:41The lawsuit says
28:42that the two men
28:43quote, were not
28:44members of or
28:45affiliated with
28:46drug cartels.
28:48The Trinidadian
28:49government has
28:50publicly stated that
28:52the government has
28:53no information
28:53linking Joseph R.
28:55Samaru to
28:56illegal activities
28:57and that it had
28:58no information
28:59of the victims of
29:02U.S.
29:02strikes being in
29:03possession of
29:03illegal guns,
29:04drugs, or
29:05small arms.
29:06These premeditated
29:07and intentional
29:08killings lack any
29:09plausible legal
29:11justification.
29:12Thus, they were
29:12simply murders
29:13ordered by
29:14individuals at
29:14the highest levels
29:15of government and
29:16obeyed by military
29:17officers in the
29:19chain of command.
29:20Joining us now is
29:20Jeffrey Stein, one of
29:22the attorneys who
29:23filed that lawsuit.
29:25Jeffrey Stein, thank
29:26you very much for
29:27joining us tonight and
29:28thank you very much for
29:29filing this lawsuit,
29:31which supports
29:33everything I have been
29:34saying about what's
29:35been happening in
29:37these attacks.
29:37What I did not know
29:39and what I learned in
29:39your filing is that
29:41admiralty law gives
29:42you a unique posture
29:45here in court that
29:47would not be available
29:48to you if this same
29:49thing was happening on
29:50land.
29:52Yeah, that's exactly
29:53right.
29:54So our lawsuit makes
29:56clear that the U.S.
29:57government should be
29:58held responsible for
30:00Chad and Rishi's, you
30:02know, heinous killings
30:04under a couple of
30:05federal statutes.
30:06One is called the
30:08Death on the High
30:08Seas Act, which is a
30:101920 law, which, you
30:12know, as the name
30:13suggests, gives family
30:15members of individuals
30:16who were killed on the
30:18high seas, you know, as
30:19were Chad and Rishi, a
30:21right to, you know, come
30:22into court and demand
30:23redress for those
30:24wrongful deaths.
30:26You know, second federal
30:27statute that we cite is a
30:29very old law from 1789.
30:31It's called the Alien
30:33Tort Statute, and that
30:35law gives noncitizens the
30:37ability to sue in U.S.
30:39court for violations of
30:40international law.
30:42You know, in this case,
30:43the international law
30:44violation is the U.S.
30:47government's arbitrary and
30:48unlawful deprivation of the
30:50right to life, which is also
30:51known as an extrajudicial
30:53killing.
30:53This is a right that is,
30:55you know, codified in every
30:57major human rights treaty, and
30:59it unequivocally binds the
31:01United States.
31:02And as you were mentioning,
31:05there's a third federal
31:07statute called the Suits in
31:08Admiralty Act, which makes
31:10clear that for civil actions,
31:13you know, like this one, which
31:15concern conduct that falls
31:18within the federal court's
31:19admiralty jurisdiction, that
31:21statute waives the federal
31:23government's sovereign immunity.
31:25You know, so that makes clear
31:27that the U.S.
31:27government, you know, not only
31:29can, you know, must be held
31:32responsible for these, you
31:34know, really grotesque
31:34killings.
31:36Our audience has been
31:37following very clearly what's
31:39been happening in Minneapolis
31:40and those killings by federal
31:42agents in Minneapolis and the
31:44legal challenges involved in
31:46trying to bring this kind of
31:47lawsuit there because of
31:49immunity provisions that do
31:51exist in certain ways for
31:53federal agents in that kind of
31:54activity.
31:55But what you have found through
31:58admiralty law and these
31:59statutes that you're citing is
32:01that you you have found a way
32:03that it's not that it gets
32:05around it.
32:06It's that that kind of immunity
32:08has never been present when
32:10you're on the high seas.
32:13Yeah, that that's that's right.
32:15Since 1920, when the Suits in
32:17Admiralty Act was was enacted by
32:19Congress, you know, the the
32:22statute has been very clear that
32:25the United States government can
32:27be held liable for for this sort
32:30of wrongful act.
32:32And, you know, courts have been
32:33very clear, you know, for over a
32:36century now that homicide, murder,
32:39you know, the wrongful act that's
32:41at issue in this case, you know,
32:43is precisely the sort of conduct
32:46that falls within the death on the
32:49High Seas Act, you know, and for
32:51which the Suits in Admiralty Act
32:53waives the U.S.
32:54government's sovereign immunity.
32:55You know, so we think that there's
32:57a very clear case that the U.S.
32:59government should be held
33:01accountable here.
33:02You know, and we hope that the
33:04lawsuit, you know, not only makes
33:07this very strong legal case, but,
33:09you know, sets out the moral stakes
33:12and the human stakes of these, you
33:14know, really heinous crimes against
33:16humanity.
33:17You know, the, I think the lawsuit
33:21makes clear that, you know, people
33:22like Chad and Rishi, you know, they
33:24aren't pawns in the Trump
33:27administration's, you know, grotesque
33:28politics of spectacle, which have,
33:31you know, also been on display in
33:32Minneapolis.
33:34You know, they were sons and fathers,
33:36you know, really cherished members of
33:38two close-knit families.
33:40You know, their deaths are tragedies
33:44of immense proportions and, you know,
33:46their families deserve justice from
33:48the courts of the country that killed
33:51them in cold blood.
33:53Jeffrey Stein, please rejoin us as
33:56discovery proceeds in this case and
33:58you get information from the
33:59government that they have been
34:00refusing to release to Congress or
34:02anyone else.
34:02Jeffrey Stein, thank you very much for
34:04joining us tonight.
34:05Thanks for having me.
34:07And coming up today, Donald Trump
34:08bragged about meeting a man who,
34:11according to Donald Trump, wanted
34:14to kiss him violently.
34:16That's how Donald Trump described it.
34:18That's next.
34:24And here's something that never
34:25happened in American history until
34:26Donald Trump got his cabinet
34:28appointees confirmed by the Republican
34:30United States Senate.
34:31The New York Times is reporting
34:32tonight the husband of Labor
34:33Secretary Lori Chavez de Rameer
34:36has been barred from the
34:38department's headquarters after at
34:39least two female staff members told
34:41officials that he had sexually
34:43assaulted them, according to people
34:46familiar with the decision and a
34:48police report obtained by the New York
34:51Times.
34:51That report has now been confirmed by
34:54MSNOW.
34:55No spouse of a cabinet member in
34:58history has ever been barred from any
35:01building in Washington or anywhere else.
35:05Donald Trump had to bring that to
35:08Washington today.
35:10Donald Trump managed to get through a
35:11visit of a factory without being
35:13called a pedophile protector for once.
35:16Instead of being called a pedophile
35:18protector, Donald Trump says a man at
35:20the factory.
35:22These are his words.
35:23Wanted to kiss him violently.
35:27Now I'd like to ask the president of
35:31Cousa Steel, Andrew Seville, very nice
35:35name to come up and say a few words.
35:37I'd like to say, because I'm telling
35:38you, I met this guy and I, he said
35:42something that his wife is going to be
35:43extremely upset.
35:44I said, how are you doing?
35:46He said, president, if I didn't have all
35:49these cameras running, I would grab you
35:50and start kissing you violently.
35:54And I said, why is that?
35:56He said, because what you've done for us
35:58economically in this state, in this town,
36:00with the tariffs in particular.
36:04Well, the cameras weren't on them the
36:06whole time, so who knows how much
36:08kissing went on.
36:09On economic policy, Donald Trump tried
36:11to remind everyone in the audience about
36:13how they were all bankrupt before he
36:16started his illegal and unconstitutional
36:18tariffs.
36:21Without tariffs, what would you do?
36:24You know what?
36:24Everybody would be bankrupt.
36:26Everybody.
36:27The whole country would be bankrupt.
36:30Joining us now is Democratic Carson
36:32Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania.
36:33He's the top Democrat in the House
36:35Budget Committee and a member of the
36:36all-powerful House Ways and Means
36:38Committee.
36:39Boy, that bankruptcy period was really
36:41awful during the Biden presidency when,
36:45as I recall, the economy was soaring.
36:47And in fact, we now know, because the
36:50final data has come out regarding 2025
36:52job creation, more jobs were created in
36:56the average month during Joe Biden's
36:58presidency than the entire last year
37:01under Donald Trump's.
37:02And, you know, what I foolishly thought
37:06is when Trump gets inaugurated, he's going
37:08to do absolutely nothing because Joe Biden
37:11is handing him the economy that you dream
37:14about as president.
37:15If you just do nothing, it's going to go
37:17great.
37:17I thought exactly the same thing.
37:19In fact, I complained to a friend, Trump
37:21is the luckiest S&B.
37:22Inheriting this economy.
37:24He's just going to sit on his rear end,
37:25watch Fox News all day, and he will get
37:28the credit for an economy in which inflation
37:30is easing and economic growth is advancing.
37:33But what did Trump do?
37:34He screwed it up.
37:35He decided to pursue this insane tariff
37:38policy, which we now know, according to Yale
37:40Budget Lab, has added an extra $1,750 worth
37:45of costs a year in the price of goods, and
37:48that's the reason why inflation is higher
37:50today than it otherwise would be.
37:53The, and that's in addition to what he's
37:57done in health care.
37:58When you, when, when the Republicans in
38:00Congress all vote to take health care away
38:03from 20 million people, they have increased
38:07exponentially the cost of, of life in every
38:10way for those people.
38:11And the bulk of those health care cuts
38:13haven't actually taken effect yet.
38:16The overwhelming majority of them will be
38:18phased in beginning, most cynically, this
38:20December, a month after the midterm elections,
38:23when the Medicaid cuts come.
38:25That's where most of the $1 trillion worth of
38:27health care cuts are buried.
38:29You know, Donald Trump said one of those
38:31things today where I don't know exactly what
38:33it actually means.
38:34He said, I won affordability.
38:37Have you heard anyone in Pennsylvania tell
38:39you that?
38:40No, but I know who's losing affordability, and
38:42that is the people of Pennsylvania and the
38:43people throughout the United States.
38:45The reality is Donald Trump won my state,
38:48unfortunately, by just over a percentage
38:49point, won the national popular vote by just
38:52over one percentage point.
38:53And the single biggest reason why was the
38:56affordability or lack of affordability issue.
38:58Donald Trump promised that, quote,
39:01on day one, he would lower prices.
39:04As we sit here tonight, prices are higher today
39:07than at any point in our lifetime, and it's because
39:10of Donald Trump's policies.
39:11We have overwhelming polling numbers here.
39:14We don't even have time to recite them all about
39:18disapproval of Donald Trump's handling of the economy,
39:20disapproval of tariffs, disapproval of what he's done
39:23on cost of living right across the board.
39:26It's pretty remarkable.
39:27You know, I thought that there was a certain bottom
39:30under which Donald Trump would never fall, right
39:33around the 38 to 40 percent range.
39:35He has now broken through that bottom, which
39:37interestingly never happened in the first term that
39:40he was president.
39:41In fact, his strongest numbers when he was president
39:44the first time was on the economy.
39:46Now they're among his weakest numbers.
39:48As we go forward, we are in a government shutdown
39:52that's kind of easy to forget about in some ways
39:54because it's only one department, the Homeland Security
39:57Department.
39:58What are you anticipating there?
40:00Yeah, depending on which measure you use,
40:03anywhere from 6 to 10 percent of the government
40:05is unfunded right now in a shutdown.
40:07I have to say I'm not optimistic that this is going
40:11to be resolved anytime soon.
40:12We are not seeing this White House in any way move
40:16in a direction that would reach a compromise.
40:19Congressman Brendan Boyle, thank you very much
40:21for joining us tonight.
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