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00:00Well, Donald Trump retreated again today. Donald Trump never announced his full retreat
00:07of National Guard troops from the streets of American cities. But as we reported last night,
00:11Donald Trump no longer has a single member of the National Guard patrolling a single street
00:16in America. That full and humiliating retreat came before Donald Trump sent his so-called border czar,
00:23Tom Homan, to Minneapolis to manage the Trump retreat from Minneapolis, which Tom Homan
00:29announced on his first full week in that city three weeks ago. And today, Tom Homan made the
00:37announcement that everyone in Minneapolis and most people in the country have been waiting for.
00:44I have proposed, and President Trump has concurred, that this surge operation conclude.
00:51Donald Trump is not the first president to launch an unwinnable war. Presidents have been doing that
00:57with disturbing regularity since Vietnam. Donald Trump is the first president to launch an unwinnable
01:03war in the United States against the people of the United States, people who then used the rights
01:10granted to them in the Constitution to rise up and protest against Donald Trump's war. And the
01:17protesters won. The protesters faced a unique challenge in getting through to Donald Trump
01:23and forcing him to retreat. They had to change the mind of a man who has no connection to reality,
01:29no comprehension of the Constitution, and no basic human decency. A man who is surrounded by the
01:36most incompetent, ignorant, and amoral cabinet and advisors in the history of the American presidency.
01:42A group that on any given day is capable of saying things that no one who ever emerged from the
01:49Senate confirmation process in our history could have possibly said before the weakest Republican
01:55Senate in history decided to confirm Donald Trump's cabinet. Today's winner of the daily competition
02:03for most perverse thing said by a Trump cabinet member said, and these are the exact words, quote,
02:13I'm not scared of a germ, you know. I used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats.
02:25Unfortunately, guessing who said that about germs and cocaine and toilet seats is easier than it should be.
02:35I'm not scared of a germ. You know, I used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats.
02:42Yes, that is Donald Trump's Secretary of Health and Human Services telling us why we shouldn't be
02:50afraid of communicable diseases, at least the ones he didn't get from toilet seats.
02:56It would be nice if we could regard something like that as funny. But he is the sociopath who
03:04deliberately steered people to their deaths with his opposition to vaccines, the single greatest
03:10advance in the history of medicine. Donald Trump has found more ways to kill more people during
03:16peacetime than any president in history. He appoints a madman to be the Secretary of Health.
03:22And then with Elon Musk's guidance, Donald Trump takes food away from people in the middle of famine
03:28in Africa. He took HIV medicine away from people who needed to survive medicine that was being
03:34delivered in Africa thanks to the initiative of Republican President George W. Bush. Donald Trump
03:38said, no, we don't want to save those lives. The food was already in transit to those starving people,
03:44and Donald Trump became the first president in history to deny food to starving people.
03:50The United States of America has been helping people for 200 years in famine until Donald Trump said,
03:57let them die, let them starve to death, because Elon Musk wanted them to, the world's richest man
04:04killing the world's poorest children. And so how does a protester on the streets of Minneapolis get
04:12through the heartless depravity that defines Donald Trump and surrounds Donald Trump? Video recordings
04:19proved. Rene Good and Alex Preddy were murdered in Minneapolis by Donald Trump's invasion forces.
04:26And that made Donald Trump's invasion of Minneapolis ultimately politically untenable for him,
04:34as his poll numbers found new lows every week. And so after two murders, Donald Trump orders his invasion
04:45forces into retreat. A significant drawdown has already been underway this week and will continue
04:53to the next week. A small footprint of personnel will remain for a period of time to close out and
04:59transition full command and control back to the field office. After Donald Trump's full retreat
05:07announced today, Minnesota's Governor Tim Walz said this. Minnesotans never wavered. And for that I will be
05:16forever grateful. I think it's probably safe to say the rest of the country will be forever grateful
05:24because they showed what it means to stand up for what's right, to stand up for the true principles of
05:30this country, to stand with the Constitution and to stand with human decency. And so I want to note
05:41that the announcement today by Mr. Holman, we are cautiously optimistic, as we've said, and that this
05:55surge of untrained, aggressive federal agents are going to leave Minnesota. And I guess they'll go
06:05wherever they're going to go. But the fact of the matter is, they left us with deep damage, generational
06:12trauma. They left us with economic ruin in some cases. They left us with many unanswered questions.
06:19Where are our children? Where and what is the process of the investigations into those that
06:30were responsible for the deaths of Renee and Alex?
06:34This evening, the mayor of Minneapolis told Chris Hayes that the credit for driving
06:39Donald Trump out of Minneapolis belongs to the people of Minneapolis.
06:46It is a great relief. And the people that deserve the credit are the residents of Minneapolis. It's
06:55the 435,000 people. It's the tens of thousands of people that have been protesting peacefully in the
07:00streets, that have been standing up for their neighbors, getting groceries to people that are
07:04terrified to go outside. And I'm sure there's going to be relief. I think what you saw is you saw
07:11a
07:11federal government and an administration that thought that they were going to break the people
07:15of Minneapolis down. They thought that we were going to back down and sort of kowtow to whatever
07:21it is that they were looking to get done, not just locally in Minneapolis, but nationwide. They were
07:26looking to implement a national agenda based on coercing us to change local policy. And here's the thing.
07:32We didn't. The people of Minneapolis stood up. They stood up for their neighbors. They loved on each
07:37other. And I think that's the kind of patriotism that is ultimately going to get us through this.
07:43Our first guest tonight, Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty, who is in charge of the homicide
07:48investigations of the killings of Renee Good and Alex Preddy, said this.
07:55If the federal government is really ending this occupation, the reason is that Minnesotans resisted in
08:03countless nonviolent ways. This community continues to show inspirational energy and strength in caring
08:11for neighbors. Our immigrant community has demonstrated incredible courage. To the people
08:17of Hennepin County, you are owed a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid for showing the federal
08:24government and the nation just how much you care for your neighbors and for democracy.
08:32Donald Trump is in retreat again. Donald Trump has retreated from his National Guard deployment
08:38in Washington, D.C. Donald Trump retreated from his ICE invasion force in Chicago. Donald Trump retreated
08:44from his deployment of National Guard and ICE invasion forces in Los Angeles. And now Donald Trump
08:50has retreated from Minneapolis. And maybe this time Donald Trump has learned a lesson, not a lesson
08:57in humanity, not a lesson in the Constitution, not a lesson in the First Amendment right to protest,
09:02but a lesson in what happens to his polls. As his invasion forces continue, they're obviously and now
09:11provably deliberate homicidal cruelty. Where human beings have a conscience, Donald Trump has poll numbers.
09:19And his poll numbers are telling him, never again. His poll numbers are telling him, do not pick
09:26another American city to attack. Do not send your murderous forces on another invasion of another
09:34American city. That's what Donald Trump's poll numbers are telling him tonight. Rand Paul is the
09:40only Republican member of the Senate with real libertarian leanings. Others claim to be libertarians,
09:47but they are lying because they have no problem with Americans being murdered in the streets by
09:53federal agents for absolutely no reason. Rand Paul is the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee,
09:59which makes him the only Republican in a position of power in the Congress who is willing to confront
10:05the current head of ICE and other Trump officials in a hearing today, as he did over the killing of
10:14Alex
10:14Preddy. I mean, he's standing up, he's trying to protect his eyes, but he's still back filming and
10:21and on the back of his heels at no time in the encounter. We've gone forward a couple of seconds.
10:27Do you see him try to strike an officer? Nor does he brandish a weapon, which was alleged as well.
10:32And so we're going through this and it's like, you know, they will say, oh, he's, you know,
10:39resisting at some point. I know I don't see any resistance, but it's kind of hard to tell when
10:43you have six people on you and you're moving. Are you resisting? I mean, anybody is the natural
10:48instinct is when six people are on top of you, you're going to be trying to move. You're not
10:52going to be placid, particularly after he sprayed him several times. But I see nothing here.
10:57I mean, not even a hint of something that was aggressive on his part. Everything was retreat.
11:02He's over in the street. He retreats. He retreats. The woman is pushed to the ground. He tries to assist
11:08the woman to get up. He's violently sprayed and it just continues. And so I don't think this should
11:14take months and months and years and years. There needs to be a conclusion. You want to calm things down.
11:20I think Tom Homan being there and now saying we're going to reduce the presence in the street
11:25is a good sign and a good step forward. And I'm glad that's happening. I think that is de-escalation,
11:31true de-escalation in a diplomatic way. But we need to have answers here. And there needs to be
11:37an announcement. These are the new policies. This is how we're going to interact with the public
11:42because the public needs to know, too, you know, if I go to a protest and I shout something at
11:47people,
11:47could I be killed? Minnesota's Attorney General Keith Ellison was also a witness at that hearing.
11:57The government has said the purpose of the surge is to fight fraud in government programs. Well,
12:02of course, I hate fraud and my office and I are already fighting it. We've convicted 300 people
12:08of Medicaid fraudsters in the last seven years. The government did not surge, however, forensic
12:16accountants to Minnesota. They didn't surge computer experts. Instead, they sent 3,000 masked armed men
12:28who are now kicking in doors, demanding papers, killing Minnesotans, not fighting fraud.
12:33The surge has hurt the fight against fraud. Because of it, a wave of experienced prosecutors have left
12:41the U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota and the remaining staff are now drowning in a flood of
12:46habeas corpus petitions. The government has also said that the purpose of the surge was to fight
12:51violent crime and rid our streets of the worst of the worst. And yet violent crime rates in Minneapolis
12:56were falling before the surge. Furthermore, ICE's own data shows that 77 percent of those it has detained in
13:04Minnesota have no criminal record at all. Notoriously, some of those detained have been children.
13:12Is five-year-old Liam Conejo Ramos, the worst of the worst, or 10-year-old Elizabeth Zunia Casaguano?
13:19The surge is contributing to violent crime, members. It's contributing to violent crime. Two of the three
13:25homicides committed in Minneapolis in 2026 have come at the hands of federal immigrant immigration
13:32nations. In a House hearing last week, Border Patrol agent Charles Exum was in effect unmasked for his
13:40shooting of Montessori school teacher Irma Martinez after he attempted to kill her by firing five shots at
13:48her. He was delighted to discover that his five shots had created seven bullet wounds
13:55in her body because of the exit wounds.
14:00It's disgusting, shameful, and it gets worse. Miss Martinez, these are images of texts sent by the
14:08agent who shot you. And they're actually disturbing to read, but I think it's important for the public to
14:16see this. The agent linked an article about your shooting and texted, read it. Five shots, seven holes.
14:24I fired five rounds and she had seven holes. Put that in your book, boys. Oh, well, it is what
14:32it is.
14:34Happens.
14:37This is someone that works for the United States government. I fired five rounds and she had seven
14:44holes. Now, he was talking about you. And it's our understanding that he was actually bragging
14:50about his aim, shooting an unarmed American citizen. Is that right?
14:58Correct.
15:01Miramar Martinez's attorney will join us tonight with newly released body cam video that proves
15:07Charles Exum was deliberately slamming his car into her car. Video that proves that Miramar Martinez
15:14did absolutely nothing to threaten an out of control carload of Donald Trump's invasion forces with their
15:21fingers on the triggers as they were riding through the streets of Chicago before one of them opened
15:28fire on Miramar Martinez. Chicago sometimes reports on text messages that Charles Exum wrote after he
15:37tried to kill Miramar Martinez for no reason, saying that he was praised big time by all of his commanders,
15:44including the now disgraced and demoted Gregory Bovino, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem,
15:50and as Exum put it in a text, El Jefe himself. It doesn't get more perverse than the bigoted man
15:58who issued an executive order last year making English the official language of the United States,
16:03a man who professes a hatred of everything south of our southern border would be referred to by one
16:09of his gleefully homicidal agents who tried to murder an American citizen for no other reason
16:14than what appeared to him to be her Latina heritage. It simply could not be more perverse that that
16:21shooter would refer to that president as El Jefe. A text that Charles Exum received said, quote,
16:32you are a legend among agents. You better effing know that. And tragically tonight, we have no reason
16:38to believe he is not a legend among agents. He should be a pariah among agents.
16:44He should be condemned by other agents. But if he is a legend among agents, then all of our worst
16:49suspicions about the murderous nature of Donald Trump's invasion forces would be sadly proven true.
16:56Alex Freddie's parents have given an interview to the New York Times, which reports, quote,
17:01Alex Freddie's parents keep a box crammed with 200 letters and cards that have poured into their
17:06suburban Denver home since their 37 year old son was shot and killed by immigration agents last month in
17:12Minneapolis. Some are from health care workers and veterans praising Mr. Freddie's work as an intensive
17:18care nurse at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Others are from strangers who hail Mr. Freddie as a
17:24hero for his final actions when he tried to help a woman shoved to the ground by a customs and
17:30border
17:31protection agent only to be tackled and shot multiple times. There's probably 10 more in the mailbox today,
17:38Mr. Freddie's father, Michael said, as he and his wife Susan held hands and talked about memories of their son
17:44and the nightmare of anger, grief and unanswered questions they have faced since his killing on January 24th.
17:53He's my firstborn, Susan Freddie said. He's the one that made me a mother. There was no reason
18:00he should have died that day. Rand Paul is right. Alex Freddie retreated when those agents came after him. And
18:10tonight, Alex Freddie has forced Donald Trump to retreat. Leading off our discussion tonight is Hennepin
18:21County Attorney Mary Moriarty. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. If this retreat proceeds
18:30as promised today, will that be in some way helpful to your investigation of the homicides of Renee
18:40Good and Alex Freddie? Probably only in the sense that it seems that every day we were seeing video of
18:50aggressive behavior by ICE agents. And we are also actually investigating other behaviors. And so
18:58to not have that kind of activity happening every day might give us a break here so that we can
19:05spend
19:05more time on these cases. But we are actually already spending a great deal of time. In fact, I spent
19:12an hour and a half today looking at a compilation of the videos of Alex Freddie shooting. So we have
19:19been
19:19working really, really hard. We said, you know, the FBI had claimed that it would give us access or the
19:26BCA access to the Alex Freddie evidence. That hasn't happened so far. But if we don't get it, that's not
19:33going to deter us from gathering what we have and making a decision. Are there other possible crimes
19:42by federal agents that you are investigating against other people? Yes. And those are some of the videos
19:53that people across the country have seen. We haven't talked about that as much because we're trying to
19:59figure out how to collect information about those. When we open the public portals on the good and
20:05petty cases, we received over a thousand submissions. So we're trying to figure out an effective way of
20:13having people give us information about these other cases that probably everybody's seen in the media
20:19in a way that we can follow up and make sure that we can contact the person who's submitting that
20:25video
20:26or evidence. What will happen to life in Minneapolis if the Trump retreat is complete?
20:36I think it's going to take a long, long time for people, and I won't even say it to recover
20:42from this.
20:43I don't know how you recover from this. I don't know how five-year-old children recover from being
20:47afraid to go to school. Businesses have closed. People who were here with no records who were just
20:54working and got forcibly removed from their community and their children left behind. We
21:01know that. People have been deported and their children are still here. So I know Minnesota is
21:08resilient and people are resilient, but there has been a lot of trauma caused by this occupation of our
21:15city. Mary Moriarty, thank you very much for starting off our coverage tonight.
21:20Of course. Thank you. Coming up, newly released body cam video proves that border patrol agents lied
21:28about Miramar Martinez to justify trying to kill her with the five shots fired at her for absolutely no
21:36reason. We'll have that video next. Miramar Martinez is a miracle because she lived. She survived five
21:50bullets to testify against the man who fired those bullets. She told the House committee last week,
21:56as a 30-year-old USA citizen with no criminal history, I believed that I had nothing to worry about.
22:02And then she was shot five times by border patrol agent Charles Exum in an attempt to kill her.
22:07Charles Exum then celebrated what is clearly, according to the evidence, an attempted murder.
22:13In text messages with his teammates, one of whom told him he was a legend because he shot and almost
22:20killed an unarmed American citizen born in this country who committed no crime. Donald Trump's federal
22:27prosecutors were forced to drop any charges against Miramar Martinez when the evidence they collected
22:34proved that she committed no crime.
22:39The border patrol vehicle stopped just to one to two car lengths ahead of me.
22:47It seemed like time stopped. I knew from watching the news coverage of
22:51other border patrol encounters in Chicago that I was in danger. I watched the vehicle of agent border
22:59patrol agent killing Silverio Villegas Gonzalez just three weeks prior. I knew I had to get to safety
23:07before I was dragged from my car and likely beaten or killed. I drove forward and went around the border
23:14patrol agents who jumped out of his car and pointed his gun at me. I moved to the far left
23:19lane striking
23:20the curve on the far left side of Ketzee. The next thing I knew, I felt a burning sensation in
23:26my arms, legs, and that I had been shot by pepper balls,
23:30which I also seen these agents fire at people in our community. As I continued to drive past the border
23:39patrol agents, I could hear my back passenger window shatter and I felt bullets continue to pierce my body.
23:47As I attempted to drive to a safe location, I began to feel lightheaded. I looked down and I noticed
23:54blood
23:54gushing out of my arms and legs and I realized I've been shot multiple times.
24:00As I became lightheaded, I became worried I will pass out and endanger other drivers on the road.
24:07I managed to drive a mile from where the incident happened and I pulled into a parking lot of a
24:15mechanic shop and I called 9-1-1.
24:19I told the 9-1-1 operator that border patrol agents had just shot me and I needed help.
24:25I recall some of the workers from the shop sitting me down in the chair as I was waiting for
24:30help,
24:31but I was losing this battle. I saw my life flash before me and slowly began to think this was
24:38the end for me.
24:39And before losing consciousness, the next thing I remember is the EMT putting me on a stretcher,
24:45taking me to the hospital.
24:48At the hospital, I remember seeing multiple agents standing around watching me be treated for my wounds.
24:57My arms, legs, and chest were all wrapped in bandages. I had seven bullet holes in my body.
25:04I remember the agents rushing the nurses to finish up so they could take me with them.
25:09I still felt dizzy. I was not able to fully process what had happened to me.
25:13After being at the hospital for less than three hours, I was discharged from the hospital and took custody of
25:21the FBI.
25:24Here's the newly released body cam video from inside the vehicle Charles Exum was driving
25:30that shows how crazed and trigger-happy and dangerous all of the gun-toting agents in that car were.
25:37Every minute they were loose on the streets of Chicago. As you watch this video, the key point of evidence
25:43is Charles Exum turning the steering wheel to the left, which meant he was turning his car to swerve
25:50into Miramar Martinez's car, which was on his left.
26:06All right, it's time to get aggressive and get the out, because they're trying to box us in.
26:16We're going to make contact, and we're boxed in.
26:19We are boxed in.
26:24All right, we're fine now.
26:26All right, out of time.
26:27Be advised, we've been struck, we've been struck.
26:32Don't you f***ing move!
26:36Don't you f***ing move!
26:40All right, we got shots fired, shots fired. We need that gun.
26:45All right.
26:46All right.
26:47All right.
26:59Thank you, mother f***ing.
27:03J.S. now is Christopher Perenti, attorney for Miramar Martinez.
27:07Attorney Perenti, those shots are fired pretty much the second he jumps out of that car.
27:15Yeah, by our stopwatch is a little less than two seconds, but he fires five times immediately.
27:22And this is someone whose story was she tried to swerve her car into us and interfere with us.
27:31Correct. And look, the government fought the release of this discovery for months because
27:35they knew once it was out there, the American people would see that the government was clearly
27:40lying to them. And, you know, the first lie was the swerving, right? I mean, DHS has consistently
27:45said that she ran that vehicle. You can see in the video that was released that he turns the wheel
27:50to
27:50the left right before impact, which would be consistent with him hitting her who was on his
27:55left. But the agent also was in the discovery that was released. He was interviewed by the FBI
27:59immediately thereafter. And he admitted that he veered to the left in order to, quote, create space.
28:04So the narrative never made sense, even according to their own evidence. And it wasn't just the,
28:09you know, the fact of who hit whom. They had also claimed that they were boxed in. Right.
28:13Right. But we found a video from right where that incident happened that clearly showed there was
28:19nobody in front of them. And so these agents literally drew a picture for the FBI and they
28:23put three cars in front of them to show that they were, quote, blocked in. And therefore,
28:28they had to get out and shoot. But this video that we released as well as part of this shows
28:33that
28:33there was no cars in front of them, that they completely made up these three vehicles that they
28:36drew in a report and turned over to the FBI. And so we would actually like to see them all
28:40prosecuted
28:41for lying to FBI agents. So what are the legal remedies now?
28:48So, you know, the U.S. Attorney's Office, to their credit, after, you know, looking at everything
28:52and realizing that they've been lied to by the Border Patrol agents, they dismissed the indictment,
28:56which is, you know, as a criminal defense attorney, that's always my goal. And that's what we did for
29:00Marimar. So now the next step is, you know, they won't stop defaming her. They continue to call
29:05her a domestic terrorist. They continue to say, despite what you just saw and all the other evidence,
29:10that she rammed them and that she drove at them. So we are now suing them, suing the agency,
29:16the Federal Torts Claim Act. And we'll keep fighting because Marimar, to your point earlier,
29:21she is a miracle. She is Renee Good. She is Mr. Pretty. She is Silverio Gonzalez. She just happened
29:28to survive the bullets that ICE fired at her. What was it like for you as a criminal defense attorney,
29:34who I know criminal defense lawyers like to believe their clients? It's not always easy.
29:39But with a client like this, it would feel easy right away. This kindergarten teacher telling you
29:44this story. But what was it like for you as the evidence piled up and piled up, proving that
29:50everything she said was true and everything they were saying was a lie? Yeah. I mean, Lawrence,
29:55I was a federal prosecutor for 14 years. I did 10 years in the Chicago office, four in Miami. So
30:00I knew how a case is supposed to be built. And you don't charge these cases without doing the
30:06due diligence upfront. And so I met Marimar within seconds. I mean, she's a Montessori school teacher
30:11with no criminal history, US citizen, never been in trouble for even a parking ticket. I knew right away
30:16that there was something wrong here. And I've never had a case where literally every time I got new
30:21discovery from the government, it was completely in our favor. I mean, just showing that these agents
30:26were lying. And, you know, I know these prosecutors, I pushed back on them. And I said,
30:30guys, you need to look at this because you have it wrong. And to their credit,
30:34they eventually realized that and dismissed the indictment. Attorney Christopher Parenti,
30:40thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thanks, Lawrence. Thanks. And coming up,
30:45Donald Trump was asked about Commerce Secretary Howard Blutnik lying about his relationship with
30:50Jeffrey Epstein. And Congressman Maxwell Frost got his first look at the unredacted Epstein files.
30:56Congressman Frost will join us next.
31:03Today, Donald Trump claimed that he didn't know that the most incompetent lying Secretary
31:09of Commerce in history, Howard Blutnik, visited sex trafficker and rapist Jeffrey Epstein's island.
31:17Mr. President, were you aware that Secretary of Commerce visited Epstein's island? And do you
31:22continue to have no, I wasn't aware of it? No, I didn't. I actually haven't spoken about it. I
31:27wasn't. But from what I hear, he was there with his wife and children. And I guess in some cases,
31:32some people were. I wasn't. I was never there. Democratic Congressman Maxwell Frost of Florida,
31:40the youngest member of Congress at age 29, went to the Justice Department to view
31:45the unredacted Epstein files yesterday.
31:50While I was able to spend two hours today looking through these documents, I definitely just scratched
31:54the tip of the iceberg. So I'm going to be heading back to the DOJ to continue going through my
31:59list
31:59of documents that I need to look through. Once I've completed my review, I'm going to head to the House
32:03floor. So that way, my speech is protected under the law. Many of the unredacted documents I saw left me
32:08very confused as to why they were redacted to the public in the first place, not including the names
32:14of any victims or survivors, but just information that might be good to know. A lot of these did
32:19relate to Donald Trump. Joining us now is Democratic Congressman Maxwell Frost of Florida. He's a member
32:27of the House Oversight Committee. And Congressman Frost, that is a fascinating description, as far as it goes,
32:35of what you saw and what you came out of there thinking about. But let's begin with what we now
32:40know to be the fact that all of your searches there are being tracked by the FBI.
32:48Yeah. And you know, when I first walked in, I mean, you come into this room of four computers,
32:52you have, you know, two, three members of the Department of Justice kind of there watching
32:58her every move. I always assumed that the room was bugged, but it was pretty insane to see those photos
33:04of Pam Bondi at a congressional hearing where we're supposed to be conducting oversight with
33:09what is essentially the burn book, a binder on each member of Congress so she can try to bully them
33:13and deflect having printouts of all of our search records. The attorney general spied on members of
33:20Congress as we were conducting oversight and then use what she got from that spying to try to get back
33:26at them on a committee, which I think completely violates the separation of powers. And the whole point
33:31of Congress and part of our work is supposed to be conducting oversight on this administration
33:36without being spied on. And so, you know, we're looking at many different avenues. I spoke with
33:42Reggie member Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia about this. Obviously, Pramila Jayapal, it was her
33:47information that we saw there, but it's completely despicable and shows straight up that they are in
33:53the middle of a cover up. Why would they need to spy on us and see what our search records
33:58are
33:58if they weren't worried about what we were looking at?
34:01So what you were looking at were things that kept leading you to Donald Trump.
34:09What what what are you finding?
34:13Yeah, and I want to I want to be careful because I am going to go to the House floor
34:16soon to speak a lot about this. But but what I will say is there are just there are large
34:22amounts
34:23of documents that when I would click the button to unredact them did not have the names of any
34:28victims or survivors, which was really the only redaction we required in the law that we passed,
34:33by the way, voted on voted yes by almost 100 percent of Congress. But it was just emails and traffic
34:40people talking about Donald Trump's involvement or Donald Trump and his relationship with Jeffrey
34:47Epstein. And so, you know, the thing I was confused about, but not so confused, is why would they
34:52redact these documents when it didn't have the names of any of the survivors or victims in it?
34:58And it's obviously because they're looking to protect Donald Trump because Donald Trump
35:01straight up lied to the entire country when he told us that he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of
35:07Mar-a-Lago and he completely lied to us when he said he didn't really have a close relationship with
35:13him when everything that's already public shows us that they were really good friends.
35:17And a lot of what I saw unredacted continues to prove that they were very close and that Donald
35:23Trump was completely lying about throwing him at a Mar-a-Lago. And just the point about the House
35:30floor and speaking about this in the House floor is that your speech on the House floor is protected,
35:35is legally protected in ways that speech off the House floor is not. And what you have to say might
35:42require that protection. Exactly. I mean, look, we're talking about a cover-up of massive
35:49proportions, of course, as it relates to Donald Trump, but also many other very elite people
35:54in this nation and billionaires that I think would go through the ends of this earth to shut someone
35:59like myself up, including litigation. And so I just want to make sure I protect myself. This is one of
36:03the reasons why one of our members, Ro Khanna, when he read a few names out loud that he saw
36:08in those
36:08documents he took to the House floor to do that, and I'll be doing the same. Actually,
36:12interestingly enough, Lawrence, I went on Reddit and asked people what documents they thought I
36:17should look at. We received literally thousands of responses. And so I'll be going back to the DOJ
36:22to look through those specifically, and we'll also clarify some of what I saw on the House floor for
36:29the people of Reddit and the people on the internet who've done a lot of research on this as well.
36:33Congressman Maxwell Frost, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
36:37Thanks for having me.
36:38Thank you. And coming up, Congressman Ro Khanna has found a new email in the Epstein files to
36:44Jeffrey Epstein signed, love ya. It appears to be from a political person of some kind,
36:50but that name is redacted in the Epstein files. Congressman Khanna joins us next.
37:01Congressman Ro Khanna found this email in the Epstein files dated February 3rd, 2016, two days after the
37:10Iowa caucuses. The email says, Hi, Jeffrey, I got more votes than Jeb Bush in Iowa, and I only had
37:18one
37:18congressional district. He had four. It's so funny to me, totally embarrassing to him. Still like
37:26Trump and might be delegate to the Republican convention. Was in St. Thomas for a couple of
37:32days. Did call this island, but never heard back. Went scuba diving off St. Jeff, and it was beautiful.
37:39Would be totally funny, to me at least, if you put a big fake shark or statue under the water
37:45where the
37:46divers go. Love ya. Joining us now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. He's a member
37:53of the Oversight Committee and author of the Epstein Transparency Act. Congressman Khanna, why is, uh,
37:59why is the name on this email redacted?
38:04There's no reason. I mean, this person is a political candidate. We explicitly in the Epstein
38:09Transparency Act said politicians and candidates are not protected. So I wrote an email to the
38:16Justice Department saying, you made a mistake. Unredact this. And I tweeted that out. The deputy
38:22attorney general, Todd Blanche, tonight actually tweets back at me with a clown meme. I never thought
38:29we would see people in these high-level positions that are that deeply unserious. And he says, oh,
38:36you're, this is actually a victim. Now you're saying a political candidate is a victim? It was
38:41such an outlandish claim that on X, which is Elon Musk's platform, which is filled with MAGA
38:48supporters, there's now a community note saying that the deputy attorney general, he was the clown
38:54meme, is mischaracterizing the email. And what is sad to me is they're playing these games and ignoring
39:01justice for the survivors. And with all the work that needs to be done to, if, if, if honest mistakes
39:09were made in the redaction of the Epstein files, there are thousands upon thousands of these mistakes.
39:17Uh, there's so much work for that department to be doing tonight, but the deputy attorney general
39:22is looking for your tweets to play wise guy with your tweets.
39:30I mean, it's mind boggling. He's tweeting and Massey and he's tweeting and me as opposed to trying
39:36to correct the mistakes. And he's refused to meet with Massey or me. And the reality is that Massey
39:43and me, we, we aren't trying to even score political points. We first emailed them saying,
39:47hey, just unredact these things. And by the way, as you know, Lawrence, because you've talked about
39:51this on your show, there are all these files, the FBI scrubbed in March. So we're not even talking
39:57about the scrub files. We're talking about the mistakes they made in the new redactions and they're
40:03unwilling to fix them. Well, at this point in your investigation of the, the unredacted,
40:11the now unredacted files that were previously redacted, much of which is still redacted.
40:15How, how, how much of an understanding of the size of this mountain of material
40:22do we have? What percent of this mountain do we understand at this point?
40:29Maybe 10%. And the idea, I mean, I saw Maxwell Frost is doing a great job,
40:35but the idea that Jamie Raskin or Maxwell Frost or I can go in to the justice department for one
40:41hour
40:41in a cubicle with four laptops, a few times a week and discover everything we need to do with
40:47three million files is ludicrous. I mean, you, that's why you have a justice department. That's
40:53why you have to have hearings. And the reason we don't have any clarity is that the justice department
40:59is more interested in protecting the people who committed these crimes than actually investigating
41:04them. There's no investigation. All these emails are coming out. Oh, I may have gone to the island.
41:10I went to, to something on the ranch and there's no investigation. No one's picked up the phone
41:17and call these people and say, what do you know? And then I'm getting texts from survivors
41:22to this day saying, here's the person in the file. That person raped me. Why is the justice department
41:28not doing anything? I forward it to the justice department. And in some ways we feel, I feel
41:34helpless because I guess we exposed this, but ultimately it's the justice department that has
41:39to make the decision to investigate and prosecute. Congressman Ro Khanna, thank you very much for
41:45joining us tonight. Thank you. We'll be right back.
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