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The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnell - Season 13 - Episode 19
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00:00Well, being Stephen Miller means never having to say you're sorry.
00:05After the murder of Alex Preddy on Saturday morning by agents sent to Minneapolis by Donald Trump at Stephen Miller's
00:14urging,
00:16Stephen Miller decided it was his turn to fire shots at Alex Preddy.
00:23And he did.
00:24We've all seen the video of the most cowardly federal agents ever caught on video calmly walking backwards,
00:35backing away from Alex Preddy as they were firing at least six additional shots into that motionless body,
00:48lying face down on the pavement, completely unthreatening to anyone.
00:54There is no evidence in any of the videos that the first shot fired at Alex Preddy from inches away
01:03from his body was justified.
01:06No evidence justifying even the first shot.
01:09And it's very likely that that shot fired at such close range killed Alex Preddy.
01:16And what is also very clear in the videos about that first shot is that one of the agents had
01:23already removed Alex Preddy's licensed handgun from Alex Preddy's right hip.
01:29A handgun that Alex Preddy never touched during the incident.
01:34All the videos prove that.
01:37The videos show one agent reaching down, grabbing that handgun and rushing it away so that every shot fired at
01:49Alex Preddy was fired at a completely unarmed man.
01:53There is absolutely no conceivable legal justification for any of the shots fired at that unarmed man.
02:04The possible human explanation for the shots include panic, abject fear, stupidity, incompetence, recklessness,
02:18and indeed viciousness that we have seen displayed by those federal agents in so many situations on those streets.
02:26But none of those emotional reasons are legal justifications.
02:31Every one of the agents around Alex Preddy's body, every one of them, could fully and easily see the entirety
02:40of Alex Preddy's body as they were backing away from him.
02:44They could all see what he was doing and they could all see what he was not doing, meaning he
02:49was not moving.
02:50And only two of the six agents in equal positions to fire on Alex Preddy decided that he should be
03:00shot.
03:01The proof of the illegitimacy and the outright criminality of the shooting of Alex Preddy is the number of agents
03:08in exactly the same positions who didn't even reach for their guns
03:12because they saw absolutely no reason to reach for a gun because they knew that Alex Preddy never presented a
03:22threat to anybody.
03:24But those shots kept coming.
03:27As many as 10 shots.
03:29And always remember in this case that the strongest prosecution evidence about just how unreasonable it was to shoot Alex
03:39Preddy
03:39is provided by every federal agent there in exactly the same position who did not shoot him because they all
03:50knew that there was nothing threatening to them.
03:53They were experiencing exactly the same threat from Alex Preddy, which was no threat at all.
04:00And no reasonable human being would ever have fired a shot at Alex Preddy lying face down on that pavement.
04:06That's what makes it murder.
04:07And Saturday morning, when Stephen Miller heard about it in Washington, he decided now it was his turn.
04:16Stephen Miller decided he needed to get his shot in at Alex Preddy.
04:23And so he did.
04:25Stephen Miller's weapon of choice for his participation in the assassination of Alex Preddy was not a handgun.
04:31It was his phone.
04:33It was his social media account.
04:37With Alex Preddy's parents, Susan and Michael Preddy, and his younger sister, Michaela Preddy, reeling in the pain and the
04:44agony of the news of the sudden death of Alex Preddy.
04:50Stephen Miller used his social media account to call Alex Preddy, quote, a domestic terrorist.
05:00And to describe what Alex Preddy did when he was trying to help a woman who was being illegally assaulted
05:07by federal agents as, quote, a domestic terrorist tried to attack federal law enforcement.
05:15That was a lie.
05:17Stephen Miller said Alex Preddy was trying to assassinate them.
05:21That was a lie.
05:23Stephen Miller knew that was a lie when he said that.
05:26The video was already public proving that that was a lie.
05:30Did Stephen Miller pause to say to himself, maybe I shouldn't try to use this one for propaganda?
05:37Maybe there are some suffering parents out there.
05:40Maybe there's a suffering little sister out there.
05:42Did just a flicker of humanity pass through Stephen Miller's depraved mind as he was willfully typing that lie into
05:53his weapon of choice, his phone?
05:57The only person working for Donald Trump suspected of being more cruel than Donald Trump is Stephen Miller.
06:02And so the answer is no.
06:05We have a right to believe that not one humane thought went through Stephen Miller's mind about the man whose
06:13character he decided to assassinate after Donald Trump's agents assassinated.
06:21Did Stephen Miller think, I wonder what he does for a living?
06:24What if he does something honorable for a living?
06:26Is there anything that could happen that could make my declaration that he's a domestic terrorist, intent on assassinating federal
06:33agents, somehow come back to haunt me, Stephen Miller?
06:39Of course, the problem is nothing can haunt Stephen Miller.
06:45And so reports indicate that Stephen Miller has been having a rough time for the first time in his life
06:51in the Trump White House.
06:52According to the New York Times, Stephen Miller was shut out of an important meeting Monday night that went on
06:57for two hours in the Oval Office with Kristi Noem about this very crisis.
07:02Kristi Noem, who was undoubtedly pleading her case to Donald Trump about why it wasn't her fault that everything they
07:08said about Alex Petty was a lie and everything they're doing in Minneapolis has gotten out of control.
07:13Well, Stephen Miller was kept out of that meeting, and that makes it extremely likely that Donald Trump was extremely
07:20displeased by that time with Stephen Miller's role in this situation.
07:23And 24 hours later, Stephen Miller, who has been forced to remain silent, was also forced to put out a
07:31written statement.
07:32And this is not the kind of thing that Stephen Miller does.
07:35Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem like to go on Fox and celebrate their savagery, celebrate their cruelty and boast about
07:42it as loudly and publicly as they can.
07:45And Stephen Miller was obviously ordered by Donald Trump to somehow publicly dismantle his lies about Alex Petty.
07:55And so late last night, Stephen Miller put out a written statement.
07:58He didn't go on Sean Hannity's show.
08:00He didn't go to some Trump-supporting public forum.
08:03He wasn't allowed to do that.
08:05Didn't go on a podcast.
08:07Just put out a written statement.
08:09Very un-Steven Miller-like, very low-key, very low visibility.
08:16The statement Stephen Miller put out doesn't say, I'm sorry.
08:22Stephen Miller tries to blame others for his lies that he chose to deliver to this country.
08:31His written statement says,
08:33The initial statement from the Department of Homeland Security was based on reports from Customs and Border Patrol on the
08:40ground.
08:41Additionally, the White House provided clear guidance to the Department of Homeland Security that the extra personnel that had been
08:46sent to Minnesota for force protection should be used for conducting fugitive operations to create a physical barrier between the
08:54arrest teams and the disruptors.
08:55We are evaluating why the Border Patrol team may not have been following protocol.
09:01It was a Customs and Border Patrol team that murdered Alex Petty.
09:05And now Stephen Miller is saying, they weren't supposed to go there and murder protesters.
09:09That wasn't the protocol.
09:11They were simply supposed to create arrest teams and protester teams and make it all work together very smoothly.
09:18Stephen Miller now says, they may not have been following protocol.
09:24That's his phrase for murder.
09:27And he's right.
09:28They were not following any legal protocol on that street at any moment in those videos.
09:35And today, the White House decided they had to add a cleanup to Stephen Miller's pathetic attempt to clean up
09:43his statement.
09:44The White House, continuing its rhetorical retreat, issued this statement about Stephen Miller's retreat.
09:52Per his statement, Stephen was specifically referring to general guidance given to ICE that the extra personnel that had been
10:00sent to Minnesota was for force protection.
10:02It should be used to create a physical barrier between the arrest teams and the disruptors.
10:08And officials would be examining why additional force protection assets may not have been present to support the operation.
10:16OK, so officials will not be examining why they committed murder.
10:20They'll be examining why they weren't standing where we thought we we should have them stand.
10:26And so now both Stephen Miller and whoever is putting out the ridiculous statements for the White House cannot come
10:31up with a single line in their new statements of defense.
10:37Not one word of defense for why the killing of Alex Preddy is not a murder.
10:45He's not a domestic terrorist anymore.
10:49There's no attempt in the new Stephen Miller statement to claim that Alex Preddy was not murdered by those agents.
11:07There's no attempt to claim the agents were justified in any way.
11:10That's because they know they would have to invent evidence that is not in any of the videos to justify
11:16the killing of Alex Preddy, which is absolutely not justifiable.
11:22Our first guest tonight says that there is for Donald Trump and Stephen Miller a political logic for Donald Trump's
11:28lawlessness.
11:31Tonight, the Trump White House is afraid of publicly advancing that logic.
11:37And Stephen Miller is doing his version of an apology.
11:41And the attorney general of the United States went to Minneapolis today and did not make a public appearance there.
11:46She simply tweeted that she was there.
11:47That is a as low profile as any Trump cabinet member has ever been in one of Donald Trump's invasion
11:55sites in America.
11:57Except, of course, the secretary of Homeland Security, who is even more low profile today.
12:03She's invisible, totally invisible.
12:05In the middle of this crisis, she's hiding somewhere in Washington, maybe, and saying nothing, being allowed to say nothing
12:14because Donald Trump has told them all to shut up.
12:17Donald Trump and his regime is in retreat tonight.
12:20Stephen Miller is in retreat tonight because the protesters are winning.
12:24Chris Hayes is doing invaluable reporting from the streets of Minneapolis today in which he reports that there is no
12:29sensation among the people there of a reduction of tensions in Minneapolis at this point or even a reduction in
12:39invasion forces.
12:39But remember, there are always two things about Trump world, what they say and what they do.
12:43And right now, what they are saying is that they are retreating.
12:49Donald Trump is talking about his good phone calls with the governor of Minnesota and with the mayor of Minneapolis,
12:54people who he was attacking last week.
12:57And Donald Trump is silencing Stephen Miller and keeping him out of the room.
13:01He is silencing Christine Ohm.
13:03He is silencing his attorney general today on this subject, even though she was in Minneapolis.
13:10And so they are in retreat on what they say.
13:15And that usually means that their action will follow their rhetoric.
13:21They will retreat the invasion forces from Minneapolis in the same way that they retreated from Los Angeles,
13:27in the same way that they retreated from Chicago, they will retreat.
13:34This is a week of mourning.
13:37It should be a week of national mourning when the federal government guns down law-abiding citizens who believed that
13:44they lived in a country where the First Amendment protected them on the streets where they lived and are now
13:50dead because they exercised that belief.
13:55And in this week of mourning, the National Catholic reporter writes, quote,
14:04Catholics must decide if they serve Donald Trump or the gospel.
14:06And the National Catholic reporter is concerned with a new Catholic, a particular Catholic, James David Vance,
14:15who has been a bit of a wanderer in the wilderness of religion in some portions of his life.
14:23He changed his name multiple times and changed his religion a few times.
14:28It was not long ago that he moved from atheism to Catholicism, possibly for political reasons before becoming a candidate.
14:37So he's new at Catholicism, and he might need more guidance now in his new religion, which might become an
14:45increasingly uncomfortable religion for him.
14:48Because the National Catholic reporter says, Vice President J.D. Vance reposted Stephen Miller, who on X called Freddie an
14:54assassin and who tried to murder federal agents, a statement that is not supported by any evidence.
15:00Vance then shared President Donald Trump's lengthy and borderline incomprehensible justification of the shooting.
15:05As a Catholic, Vance could have chosen to share the gospel message of healing and human dignity.
15:10Instead, he chose to offer the mega message of division and blame.
15:14Vance's comments are, once again, a moral stain on our collective witness of Catholicism.
15:25Yesterday, Pastor Raphael Warnock, who is the current occupant of one of the most important pulpits in American history,
15:33the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, where Martin Luther King was pastor, until his death.
15:40Senator Warnock went to Minneapolis and said this.
15:46As I stand where Alex Freddie lost his life in a real sense, I feel like I'm standing on holy
15:55ground.
15:57And the blood spilled on this ground reminds us that we're in a moral moment in our country.
16:05And the soul of our nation is at stake.
16:10I am a United States senator, and so I'm committed to blocking funding for ICE.
16:17I'll deal with that later this week as I make my way back to Washington.
16:22But as a pastor, I just wanted to be present with the people of Minneapolis who are standing up in
16:29such a courageous way.
16:32They're standing with their neighbors.
16:33I think of Renee Hood, who literally put her body on the line and paid the ultimate price.
16:41Alex Freddie is the same.
16:44And all of us in their memory are called to stand up in this moment and summon the better angels
16:53of our natures, as Lincoln called it.
16:56And say no to this evil that is being unleashed onto our streets.
17:03Say no to this evil that is being unleashed on our streets.
17:10And the question becomes, how do we say no?
17:14Today, the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Archbishop Paul Coakley, issued a statement saying, quote,
17:43J.D. Vance would do well to listen to Cardinal Joseph Tobin, the Archbishop of Newark,
17:50who has a question for all of us.
17:54How will you say no?
17:57How will you say no to what Donald Trump is doing, to what Stephen Miller is doing?
18:05How will you say no to the cruelty?
18:08How will you say no to the lies?
18:14How will you say no to the murders?
18:20I think if we are serious about putting our faith in action, we need to say no.
18:30Each one of us, and even more importantly, in speaking with others, we'll have to say, how do we say
18:37no?
18:39Well, in my own faith tradition, I think one way that we say no is that we mourn.
18:48We do not celebrate death.
18:52And what is probably worse, we do not pretend it doesn't happen.
18:58We say names.
19:01We pray for the dead.
19:04We mourn for a world, a country, that allows five-year-olds to be legally kidnapped.
19:15And protesters to be slaughtered.
19:20I'm speaking to you within a couple of miles of two major detention centers.
19:26And everyday people from many faith communities go to Delaney Street here in Newark and to the Elizabeth Detention Center.
19:36And they say no by standing at the gates, by talking with the ICE personnel, by insisting on the rights
19:47of the detainees within.
19:50They bring them human comfort.
19:55They console the families of those who aren't always admitted to see their loved ones.
20:02How will you say no?
20:05How will you say no to violence?
20:08Because as the great teacher Martin Luther King said, hate cannot drive out hate.
20:15Only love can do that.
20:19How will you say no?
20:22In this week when an appropriations bill is going to be considered in Congress, will you contact your Congress, your
20:31congressional representatives, the senators, and representative from your district?
20:38We ask them for the love of God and the love of human beings, which can't be separated.
20:47Vote against renewing funding for such a lawless organization.
20:57How will you scrawl your answer on the wall?
21:03How will you help restore a culture of life in the midst of death?
21:10Thank you. God bless you.
21:14How will you say no?
21:16Professor Timothy Snyder will try to help us answer that question when he joins us next.
21:25Professor Timothy Snyder's new article in the Boston Globe is titled,
21:29The Political Logic of Trump's Violent Lawlessness.
21:33Professor Snyder writes,
21:35The moral horror wrought by President Trump's second administration is incontrovertible.
21:42The aspiring tyrant looks for cracks in the system that he can that can be pried open.
21:48One of these cracks is the border where the country ends, because the law ends there, too.
21:54An obvious move for the tyrant is to turn the whole country into a border where no rules apply.
22:00Soviet leader Joseph Stalin did this in the 1930s with border zones and deportations preceding the Great Terror.
22:09Adolf Hitler did it, too, in 1938.
22:11Germany with immigration raids that targeted undocumented Jews and forced them to flee the country.
22:17Trump, by his own admission and that of his cabinet members, is following the same playbook.
22:23The border becomes the pretext to undo the law everywhere, at all times, against everyone.
22:30It is the crack that can be opened.
22:35Joining us now is Timothy Snyder, Professor of History at the University of Toronto.
22:38He's the author of the New York Times bestsellers on Freedom and on Tyranny.
22:43Professor Snyder, I'd like to begin with the as the first question with really the title of your piece.
22:52What is the political logic of Trump's violent lawlessness?
22:59In order to build tyranny, you have to open zones where the law doesn't apply and where the citizens will
23:08accept that the law doesn't apply.
23:10One zone like that is a concentration camp.
23:14Another zone like that is the border.
23:16The logic of what they've been doing with ICE is to take the border everywhere, to take border enforcement everywhere,
23:24to take the violence associated with border enforcement everywhere,
23:27to try to get the citizenry used to the idea that anywhere in America, at any time,
23:33there can be a zone of exception where anything is possible.
23:36That's the logic.
23:38You write in your piece that the way the administration uses the word terrorist and extremist is very important to
23:49the way they're carrying this out.
23:51And we saw them use that word instantaneously after Alex Preddy was murdered.
23:59Yeah, I mean, before I answer that politically, I just I just can't help but say that it's fundamentally indecent
24:05to speak that way of the dead.
24:07It's just fundamentally indecent.
24:10I mean, there's just a basic violation of everything.
24:13I mean, before we can get to America and the Constitution and politics, regardless of any circumstance, you simply don't
24:19speak of the dead that way.
24:20And when it's possible that you might bear responsibility, the first thing you ought to be doing is taking that
24:29responsibility.
24:30OK, having said that, this is very familiar.
24:33The idea is to deny the victim their humanity, to turn them into a member of an abstract class, to
24:39turn that class into a threat and calling people terrorists or extremists or as Stephen Miller did in a complete
24:46lie, assassins.
24:47This is what tyrants do.
24:50They take away what's special in particular about us and try to turn us into enemies.
24:55And what's what's depressing about this is not just the evil of it, but the cliched character of it.
25:02This is exactly what Putin does.
25:03This is exactly what they all do.
25:05And we just can't fall for it.
25:07Happily, I think we're not falling for it.
25:09You also write in your piece, there's another there's so many there's so many language components to this, the the
25:17invasion of the language and shifting language from neutral descriptions into loaded meanings.
25:24And that includes law enforcement.
25:26You say state terror is defined as, quote, law enforcement.
25:34I think that unsadly, and I think most sadly for people whose job it is, in fact, to enforce the
25:42law, what the administration is doing is they've turned law enforcement on its head.
25:47They're using it as a kind of verbal protection for any kind of action.
25:53It's a kind of magic phrase.
25:55As soon as we hear it, we're supposed to think that those people must be doing the right thing.
26:00But we have to use our eyes and our ears and our common sense and recognize that somebody wearing a
26:06mask who is trespassing, committing assault, committing battery or committing murder, that is simply not enforcing the law.
26:15Enforcing the law is not a thing in the world.
26:17It's something you either do or you don't do.
26:19And when you're committing crimes, you're not enforcing the law and you shouldn't be called law enforcement.
26:24We heard Cardinal Tobin in the first segment there ask, how will you say no?
26:30And one of the points he made earlier in that video that we didn't show is that for the tyrant,
26:35someone just going out into the town square in the middle of the night and just writing the word no,
26:41that that is in and of itself an act of resistance against the tyrant.
26:48This is absolutely right.
26:50It's the beginning of resistance.
26:51It's saying no says this is not normal for me.
26:55Saying no says I've noticed that this has crossed the line.
26:59But saying no is also saying yes, because it's the moment we recognize what are the values for which you
27:04will stand, for which you will stand with other people, for which you will take some kind of a risk.
27:11Professor Timothy Snyder, thank you very much for starting off our conversation tonight.
27:19And coming up, after the Archbishop of Newark asked, how will you say no?
27:25Today, California's senior Senator Alex Padilla asked Republican senators, how many more citizens need to die?
27:36Senator Padilla joins us next.
27:43Today, California's senior Senator Alex Padilla said this.
27:47Our position is clear.
27:51Separate the Department of Homeland Security spending bill from the rest of the bills.
27:57And let's work on meaningful reforms.
28:03But I guess the real question to our Republican colleagues is this.
28:07How many more videos do they need to see?
28:10How many more masked agents coming out of unmarked cars, kidnapping people off the streets?
28:16How many more citizens need to die in broad daylight before they agree enough is enough?
28:23There must be real oversight and accountability.
28:29Yes, for the agents on the ground, but also from the leaders giving them their orders.
28:35ICE and CBP are not above the law.
28:43Seven and a half months before Donald Trump and Kristi Noem's agents shot and killed Renee Good for no reason
28:49and shot and killed Alex Padilla for no reason.
28:51They went after a United States senator in the totally secure safety of the federal building in the Westwood section
29:02of Los Angeles.
29:03California Senator Alex Padilla tried to ask Kristi Noem a question during a press conference and Senator Padilla was attacked
29:14by Donald Trump and Kristi Noem's federal agents on the scene.
29:25I have questions for the secretary because the fact of the matter is a half a dozen violent criminals that
29:35you're rotating on your, on your, hands off.
29:47On your, hands off on your back.
29:51Hands off on your back.
29:52You see that? You see that my hand? Go ahead. Put it behind my back.
29:55All right, cool.
29:56One hand. Lay flat. Lay flat.
29:58Other hand, sir. Other hand.
30:07There's no recording loud out here.
30:16Those federal agents should have been fired immediately for their lawless behavior right there.
30:24That is something we have never seen before in the history of the United States.
30:29And United States Senator attempted arrest of a United States Senator by federal agents physically attacking that Senator, throwing him
30:38to the floor.
30:40That is something no federal agent would dare do until Donald Trump turned them into the most out of control
30:47so-called law enforcement group that this country has ever seen.
30:52Joining us now is Democratic Senator Alex Padilla of California.
30:56He is the top Democrat on the Senate Rules Committee and a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Budget
31:02Committee.
31:03Senator, thank you very much for being here tonight.
31:05And when I see what's happening in Minneapolis, we're seeing a straight up escalation from that day in Westwood where
31:13I was watching something that I did not think was possible in this country.
31:19Well, thanks for having me back, Lawrence.
31:21And look, you're absolutely right.
31:23As you may recall, I came back from that experience last June and warned my colleagues both sides of the
31:30aisle that Los Angeles was nothing more than the test case.
31:34This is the beginning of the escalation of ICE and CBP, not along the border, in the interior.
31:41And they were going to push the limits.
31:43And we've seen nothing but more and more aggressiveness, aggression, cruelty in these indiscriminate raids.
31:52I warned my colleagues that this was the playbook that the Trump administration would use in any city across the
31:58country that they wanted to.
32:00And what have we seen since? We've seen Washington, D.C., we've seen Chicago, we've seen Portland, we've seen the
32:06Carolinas, we're seeing Minneapolis today, now a surge in Maine as well.
32:11They need to be reined in.
32:14And the loudest message I've had is for my Republican colleagues in Congress because they're in the majority and they
32:20have an opportunity to stand up to the administration and live up to their oath of office as a co
32:29-equal branch of government to rein in it.
32:32And we have a golden opportunity with the spending bills in front of us right now.
32:36No more money for a militarized Trump, ICE, or CBP without true accountability and reforms.
32:44The Democrats appear united on this issue as of now.
32:49It seems that the majority leader, Thune, has not indicated that there's any room for negotiation there.
32:58Yeah, well, we're not just talking to Leader Thune.
33:01There's a lot of Democrats talking to a lot of Republicans in the Senate.
33:04There does seem to be an openness to at least separating the Department of Homeland Security's spending plan from the
33:12other five bills that are part of this package.
33:15May or may not, I may or may not support those other five bills, but there seems to be the
33:20support to keep those moving forward.
33:22But we cannot, in good conscience, give DHS, ICE, and CBP specifically any more money without these accountability measures.
33:32Because, look, not a single dollar more while they're robbing the streets, coming out of unmarked cars, masks, not identifying
33:39themselves.
33:40No more funding for DHS, for ICE, for CBP, while they're detaining innocent children.
33:47While they're detaining and even assaulting Latinos for the color of our skin or because we occasionally speak Spanish.
33:57Other language minorities have been subject to this abuse as well.
34:01And let's not forget, their budget was tripled by congressional Republicans just last year.
34:08So this is not really a question of additional money.
34:10This is really a question now of accountability and what we're asking for is actually pretty common sense.
34:18Let the masks come off.
34:19Let's turn body cams on.
34:21There's no reason each agent shouldn't have a body cam on them.
34:24Make sure that they're identifying themselves.
34:27When there's an officer involved shooting, let's do what every other law enforcement entity across the country does
34:33and demand an independent investigation and bring forward consequences when officers are found either out of policy or using unwarranted
34:44excessive force or violence.
34:47This is common sense, but needs to be implemented because this administration on its own isn't going to do it.
34:54When the Trump invasion came to Los Angeles, it certainly had the feeling of something permanent.
35:00It had the feeling that they would never leave.
35:03But you did get the Trump invasion to go into retreat in California.
35:09What is the lesson there that people in Minneapolis should be learning from the retreat in California?
35:17Yeah, well, to be clear and precise here, there is still some ice and CBP activity happening in different parts
35:25of California,
35:26not near the volume and the scale that we saw last summer.
35:30Where we did prevail was unlawful federalization and mobilization of National Guard troops into communities in California,
35:39even the deployment of Marines in Los Angeles.
35:43That we did prevail, and those folks are now either home or back to their primary missions.
35:48The lesson is Los Angeles refused to stay quiet.
35:52Angelenos protested peacefully, and they spoke up for their neighbors.
35:56And that's what we're seeing so beautifully in Minneapolis, so many people refusing to accept this treatment as normal.
36:03And they're taking to the streets to peacefully protest.
36:07They're having vigils when there's these raids.
36:09There are people out there with their cameras taking video, taking pictures, documenting.
36:13Because if, you know, the administration won't hold its own officers accountable, at least the public will.
36:21And so they've been so inspiring, not just to the people of California who can relate, but to American citizens
36:26all over the country.
36:27Let's continue to peacefully protest.
36:30Another No Kings Day has been announced for next month.
36:33And the ultimate protest and pushback is when we go to the ballot box this November.
36:39Senator Alex Padilla, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
36:43Thank you, Lawrence.
36:45And now to the story that Donald Trump doesn't want anyone talking about,
36:49which is why he's trying to put up as many distractions as he can for the last couple of months.
36:53Ghislaine Maxwell now claims that there are 25 men who should have been indicted for sex trafficking with Jeffrey Epstein
37:02instead of her.
37:04That's next with Congressman Ro Khanna.
37:10In a habeas position filed in court claiming she was unfairly prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein's convicted co-conspirator in sex trafficking,
37:19Ghislaine Maxwell, Donald Trump's old friend, said none of the four named co-conspirators or the 25 men with secret
37:29settlements were indicted.
37:32Ghislaine Maxwell will be deposed by the House Oversight Committee on February 9th.
37:37And here's what the Republican chairman of that committee said about Donald Trump answering questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
37:46I'm confident President Trump's going to have to answer, you know, more questions from you all.
37:52Should he have to under oath by your committee?
37:54Well, you know, there's never been a sitting president come under oath in an oversight committee hearing.
38:02But we'll see what, you know, how this plays out.
38:06We want to get the truth.
38:09Joining us now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California.
38:11He's a member of that House Oversight Committee.
38:14Congressman Kanna, to the to Ghislaine Maxwell's claim about 25 men with secret settlements, four named co-conspirators.
38:23That's from the first attempted prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein that ended up in a non-prosecution agreement.
38:31All of those names, everything about that is in the Epstein files that have not yet been released, according to
38:39the law that you got passed.
38:41Lawrence, the biggest lie in the Epstein cover-up is that Epstein and Maxwell were the only two people who
38:50abused and raped 1,200-plus survivors.
38:53And this keeps getting repeated, even by some well-meaning people.
38:58Oh, no one else was involved.
38:59And now we have Maxwell telling us that at least 25 other individuals got secret deals.
39:07And one of the questions that I'm going to ask her, to be transparent and telegraph it, is who were
39:12these 25 individuals?
39:14But the reality is, and I know this talking to survivors and survivors' lawyers, those names are in the 302
39:20statements which survivors gave to the FBI, and that needs to be released.
39:26And the Trump Justice Department has just told the federal court yesterday that they don't know, they just don't know
39:34when they'll actually be able to comply with the law you passed that required them to have already turned over
39:41all of the Epstein files.
39:43Well, look, they're obviously worried.
39:45They're filing every few days to Judge Engelmeyer saying, just give us some time.
39:49It's going to be very soon.
39:51What I don't understand is they've got the most powerful Southern District of New York, a third of the attorneys
39:57working on this, and they can't give a date about when they're going to release it.
40:02They can't give a roadmap of when they're going to release what.
40:05And, Lawrence, one of the things I just want to emphasize, it's not how much they release.
40:09It's what they release.
40:11What we need is the survivor's statements to the FBI where they name other powerful men.
40:17What we need is the prosecution memos that explain that charges were dropped.
40:22So we don't need some huge data dump.
40:24What we need is the very specific information about who was protected and why.
40:31And when parties in Discovery are struggling with these kinds of issues, judges can intervene and order the party to
40:42turn over the most important stuff.
40:44You know, this side wants this.
40:47We know you've got a lot to turn over.
40:48But give them these pieces first.
40:51Is it possible that the judge could issue that kind of order?
40:55Absolutely.
40:55You've got two judges, Judge Engelmeyer and Judge Berman.
40:59Both have that ability.
41:01As you know, Judge Engelmeyer said that Thomas Massey and I didn't have standing in this issue.
41:06But he invited us, or survivors, to file a lawsuit.
41:11And the DOJ is well aware of that.
41:13And there are some survivors who are thinking of that.
41:15And Judge Berman has said the same in terms of recognizing survivors.
41:19So they can do that.
41:21Kaiser Ro Khanna, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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