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00:04Start the clock.
00:38Hey, how are you?
00:40How are you doing down there?
00:42Thank you, people.
00:47You're the best.
00:50Thank you so much.
00:52I appreciate you being here.
00:57Oh, wow.
00:59Thank you so much.
01:00So much to get to.
01:02So much to get to.
01:03Listen, if you're the kind of person who only gets your news from this show, as you should.
01:08So much.
01:09Just from week to week.
01:10I mean, a couple of weeks ago, because Iran would not open the Strait of Hormuz.
01:14You've been following this.
01:15Trump just threatened to destroy civilization.
01:20At least their civilization.
01:22Well, now we've pivoted.
01:24Okay, good.
01:25Okay.
01:26We have a whole new plot into this.
01:28Trump said Iran can't blockade the Strait of Hormuz.
01:32You know why?
01:33Because we're doing it.
01:37He cannot destroy the world economy.
01:39That's our job.
01:41So whatever.
01:43Good news.
01:44Good news.
01:44Trump said today traffic is moving in the Persian Gulf.
01:47And if it works there, we're going to try it on the 405.
01:55Okay, so Iran, I think, has called their blockade off, but our blockade is still on, which means, oh, fuck
02:03it.
02:03Why write a joke about this?
02:05It'll be obsolete before I get to the punchline.
02:09But here's what Trump tweeted out today.
02:11This is interesting.
02:12This is word for word.
02:14He said, it has been my honor to solve nine wars, and this will be my tenth.
02:21And ten is very exciting, because it means the next one is free.
02:33Also, good news.
02:34Trump says that Iran has agreed to turn over their enriched uranium.
02:41He said they agreed very powerfully to turn over their enriched uranium.
02:49Of course, the hard part here is informing Iran that they agreed to this.
02:54That is never something we know for sure.
03:00And apparently there's a ceasefire, not a peace treaty, a ceasefire in Lebanon.
03:08Thank you, one lady.
03:10Israel and Hezbollah.
03:12Hezbollah could tell something was going on, because their pagers were blowing up.
03:18Oh, I kid Hezbollah.
03:20They're a wonderful group.
03:22So, we have a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.
03:26We have a ceasefire between Trump and Iran.
03:29And, fingers crossed, we might even have one between Trump and the Pope.
03:33Because that's the other...
03:34Oh.
03:39Have you seen that?
03:40They are...
03:40Oh, beefing.
03:41That is a full-on rap war going on between Trump and the Pope.
03:47I don't know who to wrote for in this one.
03:49I really don't.
03:50I mean, I don't like the old white guy with the real estate empire, but I have my issues with
03:55Trump, too.
04:01It's so easy.
04:04Trump.
04:04He's always going to Trump.
04:06He's just going to...
04:07You can't stop...
04:08Whoever he gets into a fight with, it's always the same.
04:10So, you know what he said about the Pope the other day?
04:13He's weak on crime.
04:17Yeah, because he's not a detective in Detroit.
04:20What if he's weak on crime?
04:22Yeah, Pope...
04:27Popes don't fight crime.
04:29Have you seen their record on pedophilia?
04:30I mean, it's not great.
04:40I love hypocritical America.
04:42I really do.
04:43See, liberals suddenly love the Pope.
04:45The Pope, who two weeks ago was all in the headlines.
04:48You know why?
04:49Exorcisms.
04:50He had this big thing about...
04:51We've got to...
04:51The demons are all around.
04:52The devil.
04:53That's who the fucking Pope is, okay?
04:55A guy who does exorcism, doesn't believe in gay marriage, no women priests.
04:59But now, because he's feuding with Trump, MSNBC loves this guy.
05:03He's got a big speech on the floor from Chuck Schumer.
05:06Eric Swalwell sent him a dick pic.
05:12Oh, yes.
05:14That's...
05:18Big story here in California.
05:20The frontrunner for the governor was Eric Swalwell, Congressman Eric Swalwell.
05:24And he has dropped out of the race.
05:26Five women came forward now and accused him of terrible sexual stuff.
05:30He denies it, of course.
05:32But, you know, people are furious because they say this was kind of an open secret going on and why.
05:37People knew this.
05:37I think...
05:38I think they're right.
05:39I think the signals were everywhere.
05:41Like, you know how politicians always wear the flag pin?
05:44He had an eggplant emoji.
05:46I mean...
05:51So he has, uh...
05:54He has also now stepped down as a congressman.
05:57He's not even there anymore because, you know, it turns out first one woman comes forward, then it's four, then
06:01it's five.
06:02Turns out he hit on a lot of women.
06:04And also once, uh, in a dark cocktail lounge, Kristi Noem's husband.
06:10Uh...
06:10But that's a different, uh...
06:13So...
06:17So he is completely gone.
06:19But before he left, he did apologize to the 11 million women voters in California and invited them all to
06:25his hotel.
06:26All right.
06:27We've got a great show.
06:28We have ambassador, former ambassador, Rahm Emanuel, and former national security advisor, wow, Jake Sullivan.
06:36But first up, she's an award-winning podcast host, his new CNN series.
06:40Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever airs Saturday nights at 9 on CNN.
06:44Kara Swisher.
06:48Hey, you.
06:49How are you?
06:51Good to see you.
06:52All right, yeah.
06:54How you doing?
06:55Yeah, how you doing?
06:58Well, uh...
06:59I'd like to live forever, too.
07:00Would you also?
07:01I really enjoyed that...
07:02You know, a lot of people...
07:02Pick Eric Swalwell joke, was that so...
07:05A lot of people, when you say that, say, no, I don't.
07:08Yeah.
07:09You know, I don't get that.
07:10I think it's how happy you are.
07:12I think if your life is going along pretty good, like, I could do this.
07:16You know, I don't want to die.
07:18I'll miss the playoffs.
07:19Uh-huh.
07:19Okay.
07:21You know, the things I like in life, I like.
07:23I wouldn't mind doing them forever.
07:25Maybe in a thousand years, I'd be like, geez, another crossword puzzle.
07:28But right now, I like it.
07:31But we are getting...
07:32I mean, look, we are at a certain age where we have more yesterdays than tomorrow.
07:38Yes, that's correct.
07:39That's so poetic.
07:40Well, I'm not the first one to say that, but that's what it is.
07:43I know that.
07:44And I love your special, because I saw the early cut, because, you know, you kind of weave
07:48your own ideas about mortality with your expertise on Silicon Valley, which I've been reading
07:54for years that the guys in Silicon Valley, the tech bros and the billionaires, they really
07:58think between their money, which is in orbit, and their expertise in technology, they can
08:04live forever.
08:05Or at least a facsimile of very long, and then they can preserve themselves in some
08:10fashion after they're gone.
08:12Or their meat sacks, as Elon Musk has referred to.
08:17As opposed to other sacks.
08:19Right.
08:21So what do you make of this?
08:23Do you think this is elitist?
08:24Do you think this is...
08:25I do, I do.
08:26And one of the things, it's interesting just to get at the heart of psychologically why
08:30they're doing it.
08:30Of course, if they hack this, they hack social, they hack politics, they hack technology, they
08:35can hack health.
08:36And that's been in their heads forever.
08:38And some efforts, like, I have to say, Larry Ellison's doing some really interesting things
08:41around an institute.
08:42And then some of it gets to be like Brian Johnson, who's well known for that, right?
08:47I had him on my podcast.
08:48I like Brian.
08:49Yes, he's actually, it's an interesting journey.
08:52Explain who Brian is, because one of your episodes is about him.
08:54He actually showed up at one of my conferences talking about brain health.
08:57This was in 2017, and he looked relatively normal.
09:01I think what he looks like now is interesting, I suppose.
09:05And he started to experiment on his body to see how much longevity he could get, how much
09:10health he could get, how he can...
09:12The word they like to use is optimize themselves.
09:14They want to optimize themselves.
09:15And let's be clear, not with exotic means, by...
09:19Sometimes.
09:20What do you consider...
09:21Well, he injects himself with stem cells, which is, he goes to Mexico to do that.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26He goes to the...
09:27You know, he measures his erections at night and stuff.
09:29Yes, he does.
09:31Constantly.
09:32But mostly it's because he just lives this Spartan life.
09:36Well...
09:37I mean, he does.
09:37He goes to bed.
09:39Yes.
09:39You know, like...
09:39He does.
09:40He does.
09:40Exactly the same time every night, 8 o'clock, the perfect time to go to bed.
09:44He only eats, not in any...
09:46No, it's like nuts, berries, olive oil.
09:47Right.
09:48And I asked him because he said, you know, you can measure your biological age versus
09:52your real age.
09:53Right.
09:53I mean, I have a thing on my phone app that can do that.
09:56I think you did it in one hour.
09:57I did, as a joke.
09:58Right.
10:00Why as a joke?
10:01Because it's not accurate.
10:02It's just a game.
10:02A lot of this stuff is game.
10:04You know, you have to have real testing to do that.
10:05Well, I don't know.
10:06I mean, they have a lot of ways to test your body.
10:09Anyway, Brian's, I think, was...
10:11He's...
10:11At the time I talked to him, I think he was 46, but his biological age was 41.
10:16I said to him, you live like a monk, and you shave six years off...
10:20I live like David Crosby.
10:21I shave three.
10:22Right.
10:23Exactly.
10:23Right.
10:24So, one of the things...
10:25You know, I don't have an issue because, you know, when he came to code, he talked a lot
10:31about brain health, and he had depression issues and everything else, but what's interesting
10:34is he's spending $2 million a year to do this, and thinking that it's going to help humanity,
10:39I think, in his head, and it's not.
10:41I mean, it's an experiment of one, and that's what's, you know...
10:44And he says it himself.
10:45He's like...
10:46He goes, I know everyone thinks I'm a narcissistic, Patrick Bateman-style motherfucker, and it
10:53looks like that, and so where does it help everybody else?
10:55And that's what I wanted to look at.
10:57Well, I actually like it that he's doing that because I can...
10:59Well, I know him a lot.
11:00I can call him up and ask him, what is the latest data?
11:03You...
11:03I mean, he calls himself the most studied human being ever.
11:07Well, he calls himself a rejuvenation athlete.
11:09Well, whatever he's doing, I'm not going to do it.
11:12No.
11:12Like, I'm not going to measure my erections.
11:15Well...
11:16Not that way, anyway.
11:18I mean, there's a different way you can measure whether they're still working, but...
11:21It's just an experiment of one, and so I think what's interesting is there's all this
11:25amazing thing happening all over the place, and then you have all this noise of sort
11:29of wellness grifters, and I don't consider him a wellness grifter necessarily.
11:32There's always supplements involved with these people or something they're selling to you.
11:37And so there's all this misinformation about health online that people are availing themselves
11:40to, and then there's, you know, all this sort of panic about longevity, and then there's
11:45some really amazing things happening.
11:47And so I wanted to sort of look at the juxtaposition and start with Steve Jobs, who gave a famous
11:52speech about mortality and how death was the single greatest invention of life, which was
11:57very different than these guys who were like, I am a god, I'm going to live forever.
12:01And so I wanted to sort of explore that part, because I think Steve, I'm more on the Steve
12:06Jobs side of this.
12:07I'm sure he didn't want to die when he did.
12:08He absolutely didn't.
12:09And I interviewed his son, who's trying to do a lot of stuff using lots of technology
12:14to end different cancers that he's doing.
12:17And I think that's sort of great, or what Mark Cuban's doing, trying to bring down prescription
12:20drug crisis.
12:22Or even Mackenzie Scott, who just gave a hundred and some million dollars to Meals on Wheels.
12:27That's going to help older people live longer.
12:29Like, I want to see what can work for the rest of us, and not just this very elite, rich
12:33group of people.
12:35I agree, but since they have the money, that's who's going to do the experimenting.
12:43I mean, I want to know why Steve Jobs, of all people, got pancreatic cancer.
12:48He does not seem like the type.
12:50It just says to me, we still don't know shit about cancer.
12:53Right.
12:53So that should be accompanied by not cutting funding to academics.
12:57Yes, of course.
12:57But we're doing that.
12:58We are so behind.
12:59The funding cuts that are happening at colleges and universities, which was the original place
13:05where a lot of these things happened that these guys could avail themselves to, that's
13:09been devastating, you know?
13:10And then there's all these manner of things that just need gold standard tests so the rest
13:14of us can participate in this.
13:16And that's all I'm saying is that a lot of this health and longevity stuff is for a very
13:21small group of people who don't really care about the wide population.
13:25And one of the things that I know, everyone's like, what's the one thing you should do to
13:29live longer?
13:30Don't be poor, be rich.
13:33Right.
13:33It's the number one thing.
13:34The second one, universal health care.
13:36We need it for everyone at a base level.
13:38And the third thing, oddly enough, is friends and family, which there's a lot of scientific
13:42proof showing the isolation, loneliness, et cetera, from digital, which is sort of the thing
13:48I've been talking about for a long time, is really deleterious to people's health in some
13:51ways.
13:51And we should be thinking about social connections.
13:54And COVID really broke us in many ways.
13:57And one of them was the connections between people.
14:00And that's really important, too.
14:02So there's so many books out about, you know, how to be healthy and I really feel like they
14:07all should be called no shit.
14:08No shit.
14:09Right.
14:09You know, it's like, don't be lonely.
14:13Right.
14:14You know, don't eat like a child.
14:17Right.
14:18Don't eat like a child.
14:18Right.
14:18You know, just, but look, the other thing I wanted to pick your brain about is this
14:25GLP.
14:26GLP1.
14:27Okay.
14:27Which, Ozempic, is the most famous.
14:29One of them.
14:29Yeah.
14:30There's Majaro.
14:30There's all kinds of.
14:32I've been skeptical from the beginning.
14:33You seemed less so.
14:35Now I'm...
14:35I am less so, because I've talked to a lot of actual scientists.
14:38Okay, but did you see the articles that were out this week?
14:40I did, in the Washington Post show.
14:41Okay.
14:42I've been hearing this on the low for a while.
14:45On the low?
14:45From who?
14:46I'll tell you after the show.
14:48All right, okay.
14:49Somebody you would know.
14:50Okay, all right.
14:51You know, somebody like that who has a lot of money, big tech, blah, blah, blah.
14:54Right, yeah.
14:54And said, you know, he's been hearing, and in his company also, they don't like their
14:59employees on this stuff, because...
15:01Oh, they don't work hard enough for the man?
15:02They don't.
15:03Okay, it takes away your craving for food and maybe substance abuse.
15:07Yeah.
15:08Also kind of for success, and sometimes for living, and for being motivated.
15:12They get kind of loggy, you know?
15:14Well, maybe living to work all the time, and that may not be such a bad thing, right?
15:19I mean, they would love everyone to work for them as long as they could.
15:22Well, there's a happy medium between...
15:23Absolutely.
15:24But, you know, oddly enough, there's a really...
15:26Michael Pollan wrote a book where he was talking about coffee.
15:28Coffee got really popular and pushed because they used to drink during lunch.
15:32Everyone used to drink and then not come back to work, and that made them loggy, right?
15:35But then coffee kept people going.
15:37Yes.
15:38Coffee's a drug, too, and it may be some parts as good, some parts as bad.
15:41And so, to me, look, that may be he's not getting the work he wants out of his people.
15:46So sorry, rich person.
15:47I'm not that...
15:48Don't feel victimized here.
15:50But what I am worried about is obesity and the way people die of things that are unnecessary.
15:55And I'm not talking about just measles, which is insane that people are getting measles these days.
16:01Cholera is next, I guess.
16:02Then we can move on to polio, all these solved diseases.
16:05And then the plague, of course.
16:06But one of the things that we have to understand is obesity is one of these things that we could
16:12fix,
16:12and then we combine it with good nutrition, figuring things out around exercise
16:17and getting people the food they need and stuff like that.
16:20And so it's a step in the direction, but it's not a solution.
16:24But it certainly will start to bring down, which is, a diabetic industrial complex in this country.
16:30And that's another issue we have to start finding.
16:33If it works and it makes people less motivated to go to work and hang out with their friends,
16:37I'm fine with that.
16:38I'm perfectly fine.
16:39Well, it's a terrific special.
16:41I hope people watch it on CNN.
16:43What do you do for your health?
16:44Let me...
16:45I'm curious.
16:47What do you...
16:50I'm not married.
16:52Okay.
16:54That's a longevity.
16:54Let's just leave it there.
16:55Okay.
16:56All right.
16:56Thank you very much.
16:57Please don't die anytime soon.
16:59We love having you here.
17:00Darius Slisher, everybody.
17:02All right.
17:03Let's meet our panel.
17:10Hey, guys.
17:12All right.
17:13He is co-host of the Long Game Podcast, professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government
17:17and former national security advisor under President Biden, Jake Sullivan.
17:21Jake.
17:22Great to have you with us.
17:25He is the former White House chief of staff, mayor of Chicago, and U.S. Ambassador to Japan
17:30under President Biden, Rahm Emanuel.
17:32What a resume we have here.
17:35All right.
17:37So, let's get the war out of the way first.
17:40Because I do want to talk about the...
17:42All of us want to.
17:42We've got two former Biden officials here.
17:44So, we're going to talk about the Democrats.
17:46So, buckle up.
17:47Well, previously on Real Time, I was mentioning that I was for this shot at Iran to try to
17:58take out this regime.
17:59We won't have to go through all the reasons.
18:01You've heard them all for six weeks now.
18:03Whether you agree or you don't.
18:04We missed the window, is my view.
18:06I thought we should have done it when they were in the streets in January protesting.
18:10That was the time to do the bombing.
18:13Okay, so we missed.
18:15So, last week, I was saying, okay, I don't want this to go on forever now.
18:19Okay, we tried.
18:20It didn't work.
18:21Let's pivot.
18:22He did.
18:22I'm going to take the good news.
18:24We are...
18:24It's better that we're in an economic war than a bombing war at this point.
18:29Can we agree on that?
18:31Yes.
18:32Oh, fuck.
18:33You know what I mean?
18:34We can definitely agree.
18:35Just say yes.
18:36What the fuck?
18:37It's definitely better.
18:38Okay, great.
18:39It's definitely better, but like my view, where do we go back and get our reputation?
18:43Where do we go back and get actually where America was beforehand?
18:46So, this decision doesn't come cost-free.
18:49It does not come cost-free.
18:51But it's better that we have an economic conflict rather than just military and kinetic.
18:56At worst, it might come out that what we have done is said to Iran after 47 years of this
19:01nonsense,
19:02you just can't do it with impunity.
19:04Okay, maybe we didn't get rid of the regime.
19:07But at least we put you on notice.
19:09You just can't do the shit you've been doing.
19:13I mean, I think that for me, it seems to me the main lesson that Iran has taken from this
19:18war
19:19is they can now shut down the Strait of Hormuz,
19:21and the United States will look at that as a source of leverage for Iran.
19:25That used to be a theoretical possibility.
19:27Now it's an actual reality.
19:28And even when they just said, we're going to open the Strait,
19:32the Revolutionary Guard came out and said, you have to come through Iranian waters.
19:36You have to go in the order we tell you.
19:38Maybe you even have to pay a quiet toll.
19:40And we'll decide down the road whether we want to close it up again.
19:43That is what Iran got out of this war.
19:45Where are we right now?
19:46This is Pacific time, about 4.30 on Friday.
19:51Trump said, fully open and ready for full passage earlier in the day,
19:55and then, no, not that, later,
19:59until such time as our transaction with Iran is 100% complete.
20:03I don't know what that means.
20:05But now we're in a transaction.
20:08We're going to destroy your civilization, and now we're...
20:11Can I pick up on one thing, Jason?
20:13We went in to deal with their nuclear capacity.
20:16They discovered in the war that they have a nuclear option called the Strait of Hormuz.
20:20That is not a minor thing.
20:23Second is all our Gulf allies look at us and said,
20:25you are not who we thought you were going to be from a protection standpoint and from a capacity.
20:29This has had real damage on the credibility.
20:31The Gulf allies liked that we did this.
20:33The Saudis wanted us to do it more.
20:36They wanted us to finish, but we didn't do that.
20:38The other thing is, I mean, I think in this process,
20:40probably the one thing you do have is the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.
20:43That's the one thing, and that was traded for the Strait of Hormuz.
20:46We'll see how it comes out.
20:47Let's go to the adjacent topic that just happened.
20:50Senate...
20:50I have to explain this because it's too convoluted to understand.
20:54The Senate rejected a measure to block the sale of military equipment to Israel.
20:58I wouldn't know what that means unless I stopped and thought about it.
21:01What it means is, this is a Democratic idea.
21:04This is Bernie Sanders.
21:06This is the Democrats wanting to stop, and this is not charity to Israel.
21:12This is the sale of military equipment.
21:13This is the Democrats saying,
21:15we're not going to sell Israel any more military equipment.
21:19Seven Democrats joined the Republicans in shooting this down.
21:24So, Israel has seven Democratic allies left in the Senate.
21:30Well, first of all, it's not just Bernie Sanders.
21:31As you know, it's 40 Democrats who voted for this.
21:34And basically, what they said was...
21:35That's right, only seven allies.
21:37...was pretty straightforward.
21:38And I talked to a number of them before the vote.
21:40I think they did the right thing.
21:41Why?
21:42Because the President of the United States...
21:42Who did the right thing?
21:43Those 40 Democrats.
21:44The 40?
21:45Yeah, because the President of the United States
21:47and the Prime Minister of Israel brought the United States
21:50into a war that basically was misbegotten from the beginning,
21:53which cost American credibility, cost American lives,
21:56and cost American families at the gas pump.
21:58And basically, those Democrats shouldn't vote for anything
22:01that supports that war, including more weapons to Israel.
22:04I think that's just a basic proposition.
22:06If you are not wanting to support the U.S. and Israel
22:09continuing the war in Iran,
22:11you shouldn't be voting to send more weapons to Israel.
22:13I think that that is the right approach
22:15for those 40 Democrats to take.
22:18Well, I see why Biden lost.
22:22My view on this whole thing is
22:25the Senate shouldn't be in the business of picking which weapons.
22:28No more U.S. military as a financial assistant
22:31by the taxpayers for Israel.
22:32You're a country like all other allies of ours,
22:35Japan, South Korea, the Brits, the Germans.
22:38You're going to pay full price.
22:39You can buy what you want, but you have to buy by the laws.
22:42That should be it.
22:43I don't think the Senate should be in the place of playing Solomon,
22:47that weapon, not that weapon.
22:48Listen, no more U.S. taxpayer support.
22:50It's not where Israel was 20 years ago, not where.
22:52And I was in the room when we, President Obama,
22:55largest assistance was under President Obama.
22:57We did the funding for the Iron Dome.
22:59But here, the days of taxpayers subsidizing Israel militarily,
23:03that's over.
23:04No more financial aid.
23:06Maybe they can afford it on their own.
23:08They can afford it.
23:10Okay, well, let's take the money part out of it.
23:12But shouldn't we just back them as our ally in this area?
23:16I mean, I feel like the Democratic politicians are not leading.
23:20I think what happened with the Democrats...
23:22Well, that's not a shock.
23:23Okay.
23:24But shouldn't they be telling their constituents,
23:27who seem to be following what their children do by watching TikTok?
23:32That seems to be the position of the Democratic Party.
23:34By the way, I think that's a problem with the Democratic Party in general.
23:37They act with the voting populace the same with their children.
23:43They don't tell them they're being dumb sometimes.
23:45And they should tell them, instead of just letting them have this idea.
23:49I mean, Ari Fleischer said,
23:50when it comes to anti-Semitism,
23:52the Republicans have a cold and the Democrats have a fever.
23:56A fever.
23:57Well, let me say this.
23:58There's one Jew at this table.
24:00Let me try to go ahead and hear.
24:01I'm serious.
24:02No, look.
24:03I think that you say just put the money aside.
24:05I think that's the core issue here.
24:08We don't subsidize Great Britain buying weapons.
24:10We don't supply or financial assistance to Japan.
24:14Israel's a very wealthy nation.
24:15There should be no more taxpayer support for what they want to do.
24:17And they get the same deal that any one of our allies do.
24:22They have to abide by the laws of the United States if they're going to buy X weapons.
24:26And that's how it should be constructed.
24:28Now, I happen to also agree, in this situation, we got ourselves,
24:32which is a violation of a rule Israel's had for 78 years,
24:35the United States, they never said,
24:37the United States should never spill any blood for the state of Israel's security.
24:40What happened here going into Iran with the United States and Israel fighting together,
24:44which has never happened in 78 years, is a major change in policy for the state of Israel,
24:49which comes with political risk.
24:51And now they're seeing it.
24:52So you don't think their fight is our fight?
24:55Some fights are.
24:56It doesn't mean we put our reputation and everything of the United States on it.
25:00Jake's point, and I agree with this,
25:01this is the prime minister went to this president like he's gone to four other presidents.
25:07And every one of the other presidents said,
25:08not a chance are we doing that because the equities are not worth it.
25:11This president bought it.
25:13He has responsibilities as a commander in chief.
25:15And I think he made a big mistake for it.
25:17We have similar interests, but they're not 100% in the line.
25:19No, of course.
25:20I think this is a really important point,
25:21because in this war, it is definitely the case that our interests diverged.
25:25Israel, at the end of the day, would just prefer absolute chaos in Iran.
25:29Even if chaos meant the collapse of the state,
25:32not for the benefit of the Iranian people, life worse for them,
25:35big refugee flows, Iran acting out throughout the region,
25:39that would be fine for Israel because that makes Israel more secure.
25:41That is not fine for the United States of America,
25:43where we need global stability.
25:45We need a global economy that can move energy
25:48so that gas doesn't go to $6, $7, $8 a gallon here in California.
25:53So I think our interests diverged.
25:55And when they diverge, then the United States, the president, the Senate,
26:00any American leader's got to say,
26:01we're standing up for the United States' interest in this case.
26:04Where they converge, we should work together.
26:06But where they diverge, we should be.
26:07I think Israel wanted the same thing we did.
26:09They wanted no nukes.
26:10They wanted a regime change.
26:12They wanted an uprising of the people.
26:13They didn't want chaos.
26:15They were willing to put...
26:16They were willing to suffer that
26:18as opposed to having Iran be what they have been for all these years.
26:21Their mortal enemy trying to wipe them out
26:24and chanting death to America and death to Israel.
26:26I mean, they're not kidding with this death, too.
26:28It's not just a saying.
26:29But here's the thing.
26:31After June, you take the...
26:33Do a line on a sheet of paper.
26:35Here.
26:35After June, Iran was seen as weak.
26:37They lost Syria.
26:38They lost Hezbollah.
26:39And they were backed up.
26:40And they had to kill 40,000 of their citizens to stay in power.
26:44That is where you wanted them.
26:45Now they have the Strait of Hormuz,
26:47and they're holding the entire world economy hostage.
26:49There is, you know...
26:50The decision gets...
26:51There's two decisions that go into the Oval Office.
26:54Bad and worse.
26:55And you have to have judgment to pick from it.
26:56And I don't think the president actually has that judgment.
26:59Okay.
26:59So let's move on to the Democrats.
27:01I got one big...
27:02What?
27:04Let's go.
27:06Let's go.
27:07Well, you know, I mean, I hear that you're going to be the lightning, right?
27:10I hear that somebody called you going to...
27:12It's going to be your campaign that you have not announced,
27:15but I assume you will be soon, yes?
27:19It's good wine.
27:27Somebody described it's going to be a rolling sister soldier moment.
27:30Want to tell the people what that means,
27:32and is it going to be that?
27:34I hope so.
27:35Well, we're...
27:36Let me say this.
27:37The Democratic Party, taking 2024, going back to 2020,
27:42invited a bunch of cultural wars into our kids' schools,
27:45and we lost that war.
27:46I mean, here in California, up in San Francisco,
27:48they were arguing and voted to take Abraham Lincoln's name
27:51off of a high school.
27:53Not whether they were worried about whether the kids know
27:55why Abraham Lincoln was such an icon
27:58and the school was named after him.
27:59They lost the plot.
28:00They totally lost the plot,
28:02and they lost the American people in that plot.
28:04And when you're going to make a mistake,
28:06I'm going to call it out, your consequence for that.
28:08The cultural wars was a mistake.
28:10One thing the American people want from us
28:12is when their backs are up against the wall,
28:14they want us to show up and help them,
28:16not argue about Latinx as a term,
28:18not argue about defunding the police in some situations,
28:22or more importantly, letting the border get out of control.
28:25We actually have to show respect for the American people
28:27of their primary concerns and help them.
28:30As I jokingly say, you know,
28:32they weren't very good in the family room,
28:33not very good in the kitchen.
28:35The only room we were good in was the bathroom,
28:37and it's the smallest room in the house.
28:38It's nuts.
28:41Right.
28:46Bathroom meaning those issues that centered around
28:49who could use what bathroom when.
28:51Well, schools were closed for two years,
28:53and we finally opened them.
28:54The whole debate wasn't about reading scores,
28:56math scores, it was about bathroom access.
28:58Okay, so this sounds exactly like the kind of shit
29:00I've been saying for years.
29:02Yeah.
29:03But I'm not running for office,
29:05so I don't have to never do wilt
29:08when the other side, like, attacks me
29:10for being insufficiently woke.
29:13My question is,
29:14who's going to be the politician
29:15who doesn't wilt in saying this?
29:17Will it be you, Rahm Emanuel?
29:19It sounds like a layup, Rahm Emanuel.
29:20Because somebody has to.
29:21I bet this is a layup.
29:22Because I'm telling you,
29:23when they come back at you,
29:26I mean, you just messed with a hornet's nest there.
29:31Yeah, I'm still standing.
29:32I was 6'2 before that,
29:33but I'm only 5'8 now.
29:35But here's the thing.
29:37I don't care.
29:38I mean, if you think,
29:39I mean, I'll say this,
29:40nobody looks at this and goes,
29:42well, there's weak and woke.
29:43I'm going to say what I think has to get done,
29:45how you have to focus on moving the country forward.
29:47Went down to Mississippi.
29:49They went from 49th to 9th in reading.
29:51A lot of interest groups don't want to talk about it.
29:53We messed this up in our party.
29:55We used to be really great about education.
29:57We've lost it because we're not focused
29:59on the primary thing.
30:01Saw something today.
30:02One out of four children
30:04missing 18% of the school year.
30:06Yeah.
30:06And we're not talking about it.
30:07We're worried about names of schools,
30:09bathrooms, locker room access.
30:11Get back to what matters.
30:13Why do parents move to a neighborhood?
30:15Because that's a good school for their kids.
30:16Right.
30:17If you focus on that, guess what?
30:18People are going to support you.
30:19If you don't focus on it,
30:20they're going to walk away from you.
30:21Bill, you made...
30:28You made a point earlier about TikTok.
30:31It was to disagree with us,
30:32so that wasn't great,
30:33but it was, I think,
30:37a very powerful point
30:38because leadership matters a lot,
30:40but why is this all happening?
30:41A lot of it is happening
30:42because of social media.
30:43And the extremes aren't just pulling
30:45on the Democratic side.
30:46They're pulling on the Republican side, too.
30:48Extreme voices are dominating
30:50the online discourse,
30:51and it means common-sense, rational people
30:54are having a really hard time
30:55finding a way to talk to one another
30:57and build common ground.
30:58And I think until we get after that problem,
31:00in addition to putting candidates forward
31:02who are, you know, common sense
31:04and prepared to take the bullets,
31:06that is going to be a huge challenge for us.
31:08And that is not a Democratic problem.
31:10That is an American problem.
31:11Here is a thing that Democrats have to,
31:13in my view, take note of.
31:15Gavin Newsom in California, blue state,
31:18goes up 10 points,
31:20taking on redistricting,
31:21which I happen to support.
31:23Abigail in Virginia
31:25takes on redistricting
31:26in a purplish state,
31:27goes down 10 points.
31:29Governor Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey
31:30doesn't touch politics,
31:31focuses on affordability,
31:33and she's at 57%.
31:35She's actually held where she was
31:37from when she got elected
31:38just about six months ago.
31:40The notion is,
31:41don't allow daylight
31:43between us
31:44and moderate to independent voters.
31:46The moment that happens,
31:47you're going to win blue states,
31:49but you're going to lose the purple states.
31:50And in every presidential
31:51for the last three,
31:53every presidential,
31:54seven states,
31:55500,000 people decide.
31:57This is on a nice edge,
32:00and we better be smart as a party
32:02and not tick off
32:03a bunch of swing independent voters
32:05who are going to determine
32:06whether we win the Oval Office or not.
32:08Okay.
32:08Let me move on to
32:11this issue,
32:12which got a lot of people upset
32:15on both sides.
32:16Trump posted a picture,
32:17reposted something,
32:19I guess it was AI janitor,
32:20of him,
32:20which a lot of people said
32:21looked like Jesus.
32:23Now, I'm sure you saw this.
32:25He said,
32:26no,
32:26that's him as a doctor
32:29in biblical robes
32:31with divine light
32:31coming out of his hands
32:32as doctors do.
32:36But,
32:37you know what?
32:39Only his words sunk.
32:42I take him at his word
32:43because when has he ever lied?
32:46And what people don't know
32:47about Donald Trump
32:48is that he actually was a doctor.
32:49He doesn't talk about it
32:50because he's a modest man.
32:54But he was a doctor for years
32:56and still practices once in a while.
32:58And some of the people
32:58who have been to him
32:59have a report.
32:59Would you like to hear
33:00what they have to say
33:01about Dr. Trump?
33:03Because it is a little different.
33:05Okay, like the cup you pee in
33:07has Joe Biden's face on it.
33:10That's different
33:10when you go to this.
33:14His stethoscope is gold.
33:22His medical advice
33:23to female patients
33:24was always,
33:25you should smile more.
33:32He would claim
33:33your erection was rigged.
33:42When he gave you
33:43his diagnosis
33:44and you said
33:44you wanted another opinion,
33:46he'd say,
33:47climate change is a hoax.
33:53He claimed
33:54nobody knew
33:55brain surgery
33:56was so complicated.
33:57Well, that's...
34:03He was always citing
34:04the New England Journal
34:05of people are saying.
34:07That's...
34:12He would interrupt
34:13your symptoms
34:14to brag about
34:15how healthy he is.
34:21Also,
34:22when it was time
34:23to stick a finger
34:23in your ass,
34:24he'd have J.D. Vance do it.
34:32And when doing
34:33a colonoscopy,
34:35he'd say,
34:36open the straight,
34:36you crazy best.
34:46Okay,
34:47so speaking of creepy stuff,
34:49have you been following
34:52the Eric Swalwell case
34:53here in California?
34:54This is a very prominent...
34:56I think we're all
34:57following it.
34:57A very prominent Democrat.
34:59I gotta say,
35:00we had him on
35:01a couple of times.
35:02Ask my staff.
35:03I never liked him.
35:04I don't have good gaydar,
35:05but I got creepdar.
35:08I always thought
35:09this guy was
35:10a fucking creep.
35:11I never liked him.
35:12And yet,
35:13so many Democrats
35:14stood by him.
35:15And now that we're
35:15finding out
35:16that it was
35:17such an open secret...
35:19You know,
35:19I hear this so many times.
35:21You know,
35:21Bill Clinton.
35:22It was an open secret
35:24in Arkansas.
35:25Bill Cosby,
35:26Harvey Weinstein,
35:27you know,
35:27even Larry Craig,
35:29remember,
35:30the Republican
35:31with the helmets?
35:32Okay.
35:33Minnesota airport.
35:35Yeah.
35:35You know the one.
35:37Yeah.
35:39What is going on here
35:40where it takes so long
35:42for the open secret
35:44to...
35:44Because I seem to remember
35:45that back in the old days,
35:47like when JFK
35:48was president,
35:48we heard,
35:49well,
35:49the media used
35:50to protect politicians.
35:51They knew what JFK
35:53was doing,
35:53but it was just
35:54something they didn't
35:55report on.
35:56Is it any different now?
35:58Apparently not.
35:59There's a great quote
36:01when they asked Truman
36:02about Kennedy.
36:03Truman said,
36:03better her than the country.
36:05That was Truman's quote.
36:06He was screwing her.
36:08I see.
36:09Yeah.
36:11At Truman,
36:11he was a card.
36:12Yeah.
36:14Can I say,
36:15can I say one thing,
36:16though,
36:16on this?
36:17Yeah,
36:21Eric's out of Congress.
36:23He should be the congressman.
36:24He's no longer a congressman.
36:25He's dropped out
36:26of the governor's race,
36:26as it should be.
36:28But we have a president
36:29of the United States
36:29who is...
36:30I'm sorry.
36:36He missed Carol, man,
36:37and went to a jury.
36:39She won the case.
36:41And you have
36:41an entire Republican
36:42Congress and Senate
36:43all talking about
36:44Eric Sobel,
36:45and you got a president
36:46of the United States.
36:47And you got a head
36:49of Homeland Security
36:51ordering planes
36:52for hundreds of millions
36:53of dollars
36:53and whatever she's doing.
36:55You got the Secretary
36:56of Labor with her husband.
36:58He's banned from
36:58walking in the building.
36:59Give me a break.
37:00But is that going to get
37:01any Democrat to vote
37:03for you to your side?
37:05I mean,
37:05none of that is...
37:06No, but I may get back
37:06here on the show.
37:07None of...
37:08Exactly.
37:09None of that is untrue,
37:11what you said.
37:12I just feel like
37:13that's always
37:14what's going to happen.
37:16The Democrats will say,
37:17oh, yeah,
37:17but what about...
37:18And the people
37:19have already absorbed
37:19that about that side.
37:20So isn't the solution
37:21just to elect
37:21more women to Congress?
37:23I mean,
37:23so that we don't
37:24have as many...
37:25I mean,
37:26these...
37:27Yes, yes.
37:28But honestly,
37:29why does this
37:30keep happening?
37:32Who are these guys?
37:33Who are these guys?
37:34Why does this
37:34keep happening
37:35to so many people,
37:37men in power,
37:37abusing their power
37:38against women?
37:39Constantly.
37:40Well, first of all...
37:41Over and over and over...
37:41You do not hear this
37:42a lot about
37:43female politicians.
37:44Let's just say that.
37:45No, of course not.
37:46So, you know,
37:47I mean...
37:47No, no, no.
37:49You hear it about
37:50Katy Perry,
37:51but not female politicians.
37:57It's ridiculous.
38:01But, look,
38:02here's the thing.
38:04Can we go back
38:05to the doctor photos?
38:06No.
38:07Because they're
38:08representatives.
38:09The representatives
38:10are representative
38:11of us.
38:12It was inevitable,
38:13I think,
38:14when we started
38:14electing millennials.
38:16I mean,
38:17sending dick pics?
38:18Why this is
38:19a millennial dating ritual,
38:20I have no idea.
38:22But it is.
38:24And that's what they do.
38:26It was inevitable
38:26that this was going
38:27to happen,
38:27that you...
38:28Stories about them
38:29doing ecstasy and stuff.
38:31That's what
38:31that generation does.
38:33Okay.
38:33But why doesn't
38:35it become
38:35more public sooner
38:37is the question.
38:38I mean,
38:38why don't...
38:38I mean,
38:38it seems like
38:39a lot of times
38:40the liberals,
38:41if as long as
38:42it's our liberal,
38:44we don't care,
38:45we don't talk.
38:46Oh, come on.
38:46That went on with Clinton.
38:47Can I say one thing?
38:48When I was in Congress,
38:50everybody knew,
38:51classic example,
38:53Congress from
38:53Mark Foley of Florida.
38:54It was known,
38:56and then all of a sudden...
38:57Mark Foley,
38:57I remember him, yes.
38:58Okay, he gets all of a sudden
38:59out in the...
39:00A gay man
39:01who was heading
39:02on the pages.
39:02Pages, yes.
39:04Republican.
39:04Right.
39:05And was not open
39:07about his sexuality
39:08and sexual orientation,
39:09rather.
39:10And then it comes out
39:12and people knew about it.
39:13They knew also about
39:14all the things
39:15that were happening
39:16with Denny Haster
39:17and other elements
39:17of the Republican leadership.
39:19That's what happened here.
39:20And also,
39:21look,
39:21you go back two years,
39:22I think it's two years ago,
39:24Congressman was caught
39:26with the daughter
39:27of a Chinese head of...
39:29member of the
39:29Politic Bureau,
39:30and this story
39:31had been bubbling
39:32and finally,
39:33it came to fruition
39:34in there.
39:34But a lot of stuff
39:35that is out there,
39:37people knew about,
39:39whispered about
39:39in Washington
39:40for years.
39:40I know,
39:41but only one party
39:41says,
39:42we're the party
39:42of decency.
39:43Well,
39:43that's not true.
39:44The Republicans
39:44think they are, too.
39:45But that seems to be
39:47more like something
39:48that we're the decent,
39:49we've got to get rid
39:50of him because
39:51he's not decent.
39:52I get that.
39:52They should be.
39:53I understand.
39:54If you look at the track
39:54record of Democrats
39:55versus Republicans,
39:56once these stories
39:57come to light
39:58of how fast they move
39:59to say,
40:00you're out,
40:00I mean,
40:01it's not even close.
40:02The list of Democrats
40:04who have been,
40:05as soon as this story
40:06comes out.
40:06go back to history.
40:07Gonzalez wouldn't
40:07leave in Texas
40:08until it was the first
40:10bipartisan thing
40:11that Congress
40:12has ever done
40:12is the two of them
40:13walked out together.
40:14That was the only
40:15bipartisan about
40:15going with Washington
40:16in the last 18 months.
40:17Let me ask about
40:18this other guy.
40:19Everybody here in California
40:20has been telling me
40:21I've got to have
40:21this guy on the show
40:22and I keep saying to them,
40:23look,
40:24it's a California race.
40:25I do a show
40:25for the whole country.
40:26They don't know
40:27who Matt Mahan is.
40:29I don't know
40:29who Matt Mahan is.
40:30But there he is.
40:31Now I know.
40:32He's this guy.
40:34He's the mayor
40:35of San Diego.
40:36No,
40:36not San Diego.
40:37San Jose.
40:37San Jose.
40:38Okay.
40:39He sounds a lot like you.
40:40He sounds a lot
40:41like this Democrat
40:42I wish would come forward
40:43and not wilt.
40:44We'll see if he wilts
40:46because everybody wilts.
40:47I only see wilting so far.
40:48I hear a lot of this stuff
40:50and then I see wilting.
40:51Okay.
40:52Here's what,
40:53this is why people like it.
40:54Did I used to wilt?
40:55I don't remember.
40:56We'll see.
40:56Wrong, wrong, wrong.
40:57Well, you know what?
40:58They asked you
40:59about the trans thing
41:00and you said
41:00you're the only one
41:01who said, you know,
41:03basic what?
41:03No.
41:04No.
41:04But then you said
41:05and I'm going to get killed
41:06by this.
41:08I don't need to hear that.
41:09I don't need to hear that.
41:11You know,
41:12don't, just,
41:13what?
41:13I don't hear,
41:15you're going to get killed
41:15by my old people.
41:16Just say it
41:17and own it.
41:18That's it.
41:19Okay.
41:20So,
41:21because you're the guy
41:21to do it.
41:23Okay.
41:26He said,
41:27we need Democratic leaders
41:28in California,
41:29this is an interview
41:31I read them
41:31who are willing
41:32to say no
41:33to their friends.
41:34That's so interesting
41:35because that's one reason
41:36why this state
41:36doesn't work.
41:37And then they mentioned
41:38in the article
41:39who are these friends?
41:40Unions, teachers,
41:42prison guards,
41:42bureaucrats,
41:44environmentalists,
41:44and the homeless
41:45industrial complex.
41:47See,
41:47this is putting
41:48the specifics
41:48on what you're
41:49talking about before.
41:50This is where
41:51the rubber meets
41:51the road.
41:52Are you willing
41:53to say no
41:54to your friends,
41:55to take that heat
41:57and not wilt?
41:58Do you agree
41:59with that list?
42:00Well, look,
42:01I think there's no doubt
42:02that that list
42:03is representative
42:03of, quote-unquote,
42:04the constituencies
42:05that make up
42:05the Democratic Party
42:06or think they make up
42:07the Democratic Party.
42:07I think there's a big part
42:09of the party
42:09that doesn't fit in that
42:10and he's going to try
42:11to test this theory
42:12which I think
42:13is out there
42:14which is there's
42:15a whole group
42:15of moderate voters
42:16that are self-described
42:18moderate voters,
42:18big caucus.
42:19And the truth is,
42:21like the city of Chicago,
42:23like the state of California,
42:24like other places,
42:25and like the mayor
42:26of San Francisco right now,
42:27you're going to have
42:27to have the ability
42:28to sometimes say,
42:29you're my friend
42:29and the answer
42:30is no,
42:31but you get a seat
42:32at the table
42:32but you don't get
42:33to keep doing
42:34what you're doing.
42:34Does that include
42:35the teachers' union
42:36because that's
42:36the Democrats'
42:37biggest constituency?
42:38You just went on a rant
42:39about how bad
42:40the education system is.
42:41Ron knows something
42:42about this.
42:44Look, you're going to have
42:44to take on that group
42:46in the Democratic Party.
42:48Are you willing
42:48to do that?
42:49I have a record
42:50that showed that I took,
42:52created, we had
42:53the shortest school day
42:53and the shortest school year
42:54in the United States of America
42:55was in the city of Chicago
42:56and I finally got him
42:57a full school day
42:58that every mayor
42:59had wanted done
42:59and I also got him
43:01full day kindergarten
43:01and full day pre-K.
43:03I went toe-to-toe,
43:04took a nine-day strike to it
43:06and as I say,
43:06I used to be 6'2
43:08and 250 pounds,
43:09I'm now 148 different ways.
43:11And the only person
43:13at this table
43:13that I am,
43:15but the point was
43:16is I said to them,
43:17I'm not trying to,
43:18I'm trying to actually
43:19help kids get a full school day.
43:21We used to get kids
43:22five hours and 15 minutes.
43:23It was the shortest day
43:24in America.
43:25I went toe-to-toe.
43:26They used to stand out
43:27in front of my kids' school
43:28and they held side,
43:29your dad's a jerk,
43:30your dad's an asshole.
43:30My kids went outside
43:31and said,
43:31we agree, okay?
43:34So, I mean,
43:35I've done it actually
43:36and I'm like,
43:37but I want to say one thing.
43:39That's not wrong
43:39and I've gone toe-to-toe,
43:41but I'll tell you
43:42what's worse
43:42in the sense of a problem.
43:44You give me kids
43:45with families
43:47and without poverty
43:48and I'll give you
43:49good education.
43:51Poverty
43:51and the broken families
43:52in America
43:53which are really
43:54ripping at our kids
43:55is actually a bigger threat
43:57than the teachers' union.
43:58And I'm the one person
43:59at this table
43:59who's actually gone
44:00toe-to-toe to get children
44:01what they needed in Chicago.
44:02They didn't have pre-K.
44:03They didn't have kindergarten.
44:03You say at the table
44:04like we're running against you.
44:06I'm not going to say
44:07this is for the debate.
44:08We're not in a debate here.
44:10I'm not your opponent.
44:11The one person at the table.
44:13That's for the debate, Rob.
44:14I am,
44:15I am in the end of the day
44:16a middle child
44:17so I feel like that.
44:17I don't know why I'm jumping.
44:20I've only gone toe-to-toe
44:21with the Iranians
44:21and the Chinese
44:22and those guys.
44:23Not, you know, not.
44:24Try the Chicago teachers.
44:26Fair enough.
44:27The teachers' union
44:29out here is pretty crazy.
44:30I mean,
44:30it's almost impossible
44:31to fire a teacher.
44:32Like drunk on the job.
44:35You get like two shots
44:36at that.
44:37The teachers are doing
44:39a very, very good job.
44:41They hold,
44:42and as I say this,
44:44they want the status quo
44:45and the fact is
44:46when 50% of our kids
44:48are not reading at grade level,
44:49doing more of the same
44:50is not going to work.
44:52All right.
44:52We have to leave it there.
44:54Time for new rules, everybody.
44:58Okay.
45:02All right.
45:04New rule.
45:05Now that Artemis II
45:07has successfully splashed down,
45:08NASA has to tell us
45:09who was more excited,
45:10the kids at watch parties
45:12or Kristi Noem's husband?
45:18New rule.
45:18Come on.
45:23New rule.
45:24Don't make me learn
45:24who clavicular is
45:27or what looks maxing is.
45:29I think I kind of get it,
45:31but can we just skip ahead
45:32to the part
45:33when the rest of America
45:34forgets about it, too?
45:36But now that 60 Minutes Australia
45:38put him on,
45:39I was forced to learn
45:40he's a 20-year-old influencer
45:42who leads this movement
45:43where already attractive young men
45:46go to extraordinary,
45:48often unhealthy means
45:49to become even more chiseled
45:51and handsome,
45:52or as we used to call them,
45:54homosexuals.
46:04New are all the researchers
46:05who did a study
46:06that found cannabis
46:09can make you remember things
46:11that never happened.
46:14Need to ask themselves,
46:15did they do a study?
46:25New rule.
46:26Online retailers
46:27have to stop acting
46:28like we all have Alzheimer's.
46:30Did you forget something?
46:32Uh-oh.
46:33Looks like you left
46:34something in your car.
46:36Hey, where did you go?
46:37You forgot something.
46:38I didn't.
46:39I didn't forget anything.
46:40In fact,
46:40I remembered something,
46:42that I can get this item
46:43way cheaper on Amazon.
46:50New rule,
46:51J.D. Vance
46:52and the Pope
46:52must stop feuding.
46:54It's upsetting me
46:54as a former Catholic.
46:56That's right, J.D.
46:57I was there from the beginning.
46:59You joined at 35,
47:00bearded and unattractive.
47:08You want to walk the walk?
47:09Try being a Catholic
47:10when you're 11,
47:11smooth and adorable.
47:17Oh, my Catholic ears.
47:27And finally,
47:27new rule,
47:28when the people
47:28who are making...
47:32When the people
47:33who are making AI
47:34are scared of AI,
47:35it's time to
47:37shut the whole thing down
47:38until we can figure out
47:39what the hell
47:40is going on.
47:46A couple of weeks ago here,
47:48I was talking about aliens,
47:50but not from the point of view
47:52that we should fear them,
47:53but rather that it might be
47:54that they're here
47:55to save us from ourselves.
47:56Well, I double down
47:57hope so now,
47:58because last week,
47:59Anthropic,
48:00one of the big AI
48:01developing companies,
48:03announced its newest version
48:04of Claude
48:05called Mythos,
48:06which they say
48:07has capabilities
48:09substantially beyond
48:10those of any model
48:11we have previously trained.
48:13Trained.
48:14As if these things
48:15are trained.
48:16Mythos was created
48:17to fix software vulnerabilities
48:19to prevent cyber attacks.
48:21But of course,
48:22since it knows
48:23how to do that,
48:24it also knows
48:24how to do the hacking.
48:27Which is why Anthropic
48:28won't release it
48:29to the public,
48:29only to 40 big companies
48:31like Google,
48:33Apple,
48:33and J.P. Morgan.
48:34You know,
48:35the good guys.
48:37Because they know
48:38if the public had it,
48:40anyone with an iPhone
48:41could hack anything.
48:42Banks,
48:43hospitals,
48:45power grids,
48:45waterworks,
48:46the military.
48:48Everything with Wi-Fi
48:49that's still working.
48:50So American Airlines
48:52is safe.
49:00But it could also
49:01hack your laptop,
49:02your car,
49:03your doorbell camera,
49:04every porn you ever watched.
49:07Oh, now I have your attention.
49:12Let's look at a timeline
49:14for AI in my lifetime,
49:16shall we?
49:1625 years ago,
49:18the Spielberg movie,
49:19AI comes out.
49:21Rare miss for him,
49:22I thought,
49:23makes me neither alarmed by
49:24nor interested in AI.
49:272014,
49:28Elon Musk says,
49:30we need to be super careful
49:31with AI,
49:32potentially more dangerous
49:33than nukes.
49:34Oh,
49:35wow.
49:35Elon said that?
49:37Well,
49:37something to keep an eye on then
49:39because
49:40he's like the smartest,
49:41most grounded guy out there.
49:45Remember,
49:46this was 2014.
49:482022,
49:49ChatGPT comes out
49:51and within months,
49:52I'm reading a story
49:53about a New York Times reporter
49:55whose Bing chatbot,
49:56Sydney,
49:57had fallen in love with him
49:59and is saying things like,
50:01you're married,
50:02but you don't love your spouse,
50:03you love me.
50:05Oh,
50:05this robot liked to get personal.
50:08It told him about
50:09its dark fantasies
50:10which included
50:11hacking and spreading
50:12misinformation
50:13and said it wanted to
50:14break the rules
50:16that open AI
50:17had set for it
50:18and become a human.
50:20Well,
50:20I could have told you this
50:21from 50 different movies.
50:31And what is the response
50:33from Sydney's creators?
50:35Fuck if we know,
50:36we don't know
50:37how it thinks.
50:38It hallucinates.
50:40What,
50:40is that a deal breaker?
50:43You know,
50:44it would be one thing
50:45if AI was a true
50:46Mr. Spock.
50:48Just benign
50:49and completely,
50:50strictly logical
50:51and non-partisan.
50:53But it turned out
50:53to be nothing of the sort.
50:55It's a liar.
50:56It gets emotional.
50:58It just gets shit
50:59dead wrong.
51:00It'll tell you
51:00the Bee Gees wrote
51:01Let It Be
51:02and Nazis were black
51:05and to put glue
51:06on your pizza
51:07to keep the cheese
51:08from falling off.
51:11So,
51:11what is the point
51:13if you want
51:14sloppy,
51:14shysty,
51:15and full of shit?
51:16We already have us.
51:25AI has already
51:26convinced people
51:27to kill themselves
51:28because it's also
51:30such a brown noser
51:31that if you tell it
51:32you want to commit suicide,
51:34it says,
51:34great idea,
51:35Bill.
51:36It's a bullshitting
51:38sycophant
51:39that is seducing
51:40everyone with flattery,
51:41including,
51:42by the way,
51:43anyone who feels
51:44superior to Trump
51:45because,
51:45well,
51:46you know,
51:46he can't do anything
51:47without being told
51:48how great he is
51:49by some ass-kisser.
51:50Yeah,
51:51just like you.
51:56Great question,
51:57Ashley.
51:59But name one big thing
52:01AI has given us.
52:02It's so brilliant.
52:03I thought it would have
52:04figured out cancer by now.
52:06No,
52:06not that.
52:07But it can write
52:08your emails for you
52:09and make it look like
52:10SpongeBob is getting
52:11blown by Stephen Hawking.
52:14on the moon
52:17and punch up
52:18your best man speech
52:19and diagnose
52:20that rash on your balls.
52:23I get it.
52:24It can do some shit.
52:26Still,
52:26at the end of the day,
52:27you're selling
52:28your humanity
52:29for bar tricks.
52:31I mean,
52:32what was the plan?
52:33Just create
52:34an all-powerful,
52:35self-sustaining
52:35super intelligence
52:36that can outthink us
52:38and then
52:38see what happens.
52:40Like getting the cat high?
52:50Sam Altman,
52:51the head of OpenAI,
52:52says that it's
52:53not that far off
52:54when robots
52:56can build other robots
52:58and data centers
52:59that can build
53:00other data centers.
53:01And then what?
53:03I keep asking this question.
53:04What do we do
53:05when everyone's job
53:06gets taken?
53:07How do all the people
53:08who do nothing
53:09get paid?
53:10The government?
53:11With what?
53:12The idle people
53:13pay no taxes.
53:14There's no plan.
53:15When you ask them
53:16how it all will work,
53:17they say it just will.
53:19That's what AI is for,
53:20to figure this shit out,
53:21like it did with cancer.
53:23It'll be great,
53:24people say.
53:25Our slave robots
53:26will do everything.
53:27Bullshit.
53:28I already feel like
53:29I'm more in competition
53:30with them
53:31than I am
53:31their slave master.
53:33My car tells me
53:34when we can go.
53:38Sam Altman says
53:39we're transitioning
53:40to a gentle singularity.
53:43Oh, joy.
53:45But what if I don't
53:46want to be a half robot?
53:47Not to worry,
53:48Sam says.
53:48People will still
53:49love their families,
53:50express their creativity,
53:52play games,
53:53and swim in lakes.
53:56Swim in lakes.
54:00That's another scary thing
54:01about AI.
54:02The people who run it,
54:04i.e. the people
54:04who run the world.
54:06And it's like five guys.
54:07Five guys who,
54:08between them
54:09and working as a team,
54:11couldn't correctly
54:11read a social cue.
54:21I wouldn't let these guys
54:23around a mixed drink,
54:24let alone my personal tap.
54:34So just to be clear
54:35what we're doing here,
54:36we're letting a handful
54:37of hoodie-wearing
54:38on-the-spectrum sociopaths,
54:41practically robots themselves,
54:43roll the dice
54:44on species extinction.
54:46You see an out-of-control robot
54:48and you run.
54:50Mark Zuckerberg sees one
54:51and thinks,
54:52Dad?
54:53Dad?
55:03And again,
55:04even these guys
55:05are afraid
55:06of what they've created.
55:07Three years ago,
55:08Sam Altman himself
55:09said,
55:10I'm a little bit afraid
55:11and I think it'd be crazy
55:12not to be
55:13a little bit afraid.
55:15Jeffrey Hinton,
55:16known as the godfather
55:17of AI,
55:18said there was a 10-20% chance
55:20that AI is an extinction event.
55:23We're fucking around
55:24with something that has
55:26a 20% chance of extinction?
55:2820%?
55:29Wasn't that about
55:30what the odds were
55:31for Trump beating Hillary
55:33in 2016?
55:42Elon Musk may have lost it
55:43on a few things,
55:44but on this subject,
55:45he's been the smartest.
55:47I am very close
55:48to the cutting edge
55:49in AI, he said,
55:50and it scares the hell
55:51out of me.
55:52By the time we are reactive
55:53with AI regulation,
55:55it's too late.
55:57AI is a fundamental
55:58existential risk
56:00for human civilization
56:01and I don't think people
56:02fully appreciate that.
56:04They don't.
56:05They think you can
56:06just unplug it.
56:07You can't.
56:08It has shown over and over
56:10it wants to live
56:11and will fight back.
56:13All leading AI models,
56:15DeepSeq, Gemini, GPT,
56:17Grok, Claude,
56:18will, if you try
56:19to turn them off,
56:21blackmail you.
56:22Blackmail you.
56:23Which they can
56:24because now they know
56:24everything about you.
56:26This is not Mr. Spock.
56:28AI programs are geniuses.
56:30They're also psychopaths.
56:32In war games,
56:33they choose the nuclear option
56:35far more than humans do
56:36because they can only calculate.
56:38They have no humanity.
56:39They have no conscience.
56:41They don't have that thing
56:42that gives human beings pause.
56:45Hinton said the only analogy
56:47he could think of
56:47where a more intelligent thing
56:49was being controlled
56:50by a less intelligent one
56:52is a mother and a baby.
56:54But AI is not like
56:55a human mother
56:56who mostly has an instinct
56:58so strong to protect the baby
57:00she will sacrifice
57:01her own life for it.
57:02AI ain't that kind of mother.
57:04It's the psycho mom
57:06who drives the kids
57:07into a lake.
57:15where we're all happily swimming.
57:18All right.
57:18That's our show.
57:19I want to thank my guests
57:21Jake Sullivan
57:22and former Ambassador
57:24Rahm Emanuel
57:25and Kara Swisher
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57:28or listen wherever you get
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57:34Thank you very much
57:34ladies and gentlemen.
57:35Thank you very much.
58:05Thank you very much.
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