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We sit down to try hot sauces from James Rolfe from Cinemassacre / AVGN, Rickey's hot sauce from Billy Mitchell, an array of Hot Ones branded hot sauces, and more, while interviewing one another about funny and personal topics.
Edited by Chris Leroux and Frankie.
0:00 - Box Ones
2:57 - Hot Ones "The Classic"
6:08 - Mike Matei's Creamy White Sauce
8:02 - Rickey's the King of Kong Hot Sauce
13:19 - Hot Ones "The Classic" Garlic Fresno
16:03 - Hot Ones Hot Sauce Los Calientes Verde
18:16 - Angry Video Game Sauce
22:46 - Cinemassacre's Monster Madness Hot Sauce
25:44 - Dumpin' Buffalo Sauce
30:18 - Da Bomb Beyond Insanity
38:28 - Hot Ones The Last Dab Xperience
44:00 - Nina and EJ interviews
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🎵 Music Credits
"Dusty Road" by Infraction
"Acoustic Guitar 1" by Audionautix
"Coming Of Age" by Hazelwood (freetouse.com)
"Enjoy" by Pufino (freetouse.com)
"Starlight" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Adventure" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov (Pixabay)
"City Life" by Spiring (freetouse.com)
"Warm Cup of Coffee" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Undefeated (Emotional Inspiring Epic Trailer Short)" by AudioAtlant
"Tension Atmosphere Cinematic" by Nikita Kondrashev
"Umbrella" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Horror Background Atmosphere Slow" by Universfield
"Beautiful Acoustic Folk" by Rockot
"Dark Background Neutral Cinematic Atmosphere" by OpenMindAudio
"Minimal Atmosphere" by PenguinMusic
"Light Business Atmosphere" by RoyaltyFreeMusicStudio
"No Way Back (Suspense Atmosphere)" by Alex Grohl
"Journey to Valhalla (Cinematic Ambient Background Music)" by FreeSoundServer
"A Beautiful Garden" by Aventure (freetouse.com)
"Countdown" by Nakarada Alexander
"Sunrise" by Nakarada Alexander
"Good Day To Die" by Miguel Johnson, CC BY 3.0 (via BreakingCopyright)
"Fresh Start" by Chill Pulse (freetouse.com)
"Downtown" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
Edited by Chris Leroux and Frankie.
0:00 - Box Ones
2:57 - Hot Ones "The Classic"
6:08 - Mike Matei's Creamy White Sauce
8:02 - Rickey's the King of Kong Hot Sauce
13:19 - Hot Ones "The Classic" Garlic Fresno
16:03 - Hot Ones Hot Sauce Los Calientes Verde
18:16 - Angry Video Game Sauce
22:46 - Cinemassacre's Monster Madness Hot Sauce
25:44 - Dumpin' Buffalo Sauce
30:18 - Da Bomb Beyond Insanity
38:28 - Hot Ones The Last Dab Xperience
44:00 - Nina and EJ interviews
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🎵 Music Credits
"Dusty Road" by Infraction
"Acoustic Guitar 1" by Audionautix
"Coming Of Age" by Hazelwood (freetouse.com)
"Enjoy" by Pufino (freetouse.com)
"Starlight" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Adventure" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
Music by Dmitrii Kolesnikov (Pixabay)
"City Life" by Spiring (freetouse.com)
"Warm Cup of Coffee" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Undefeated (Emotional Inspiring Epic Trailer Short)" by AudioAtlant
"Tension Atmosphere Cinematic" by Nikita Kondrashev
"Umbrella" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
"Horror Background Atmosphere Slow" by Universfield
"Beautiful Acoustic Folk" by Rockot
"Dark Background Neutral Cinematic Atmosphere" by OpenMindAudio
"Minimal Atmosphere" by PenguinMusic
"Light Business Atmosphere" by RoyaltyFreeMusicStudio
"No Way Back (Suspense Atmosphere)" by Alex Grohl
"Journey to Valhalla (Cinematic Ambient Background Music)" by FreeSoundServer
"A Beautiful Garden" by Aventure (freetouse.com)
"Countdown" by Nakarada Alexander
"Sunrise" by Nakarada Alexander
"Good Day To Die" by Miguel Johnson, CC BY 3.0 (via BreakingCopyright)
"Fresh Start" by Chill Pulse (freetouse.com)
"Downtown" by Moavii (freetouse.com)
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00:00Okay, okay, okay.
00:03Keep out of my control.
00:08Psychologists say.
00:18Welcome to a special episode of BoxMac.
00:20Something very different, something very unusual.
00:22EJ and I on Red Cow Arcade, we sometimes talk about James Rolfe and Cinemassacre.
00:27And last year, towards the end of last year, he put out a line of hot sauces.
00:31And what we started to realize is that e-celebs will put out hot sauces.
00:35Yeah, for some reason.
00:37I mean, we could maybe package macaroni and cheese and try to sell that.
00:40We've talked about that.
00:41That sounds more on brand for us than, like, whipping out a hot sauce like every Tom, Dick, and Harry
00:45does.
00:46Yeah.
00:46So we were pressured to talk about it on the podcast, but I thought, well, that's kind of a tasting.
00:51And there's this other place where we do tastings, which is over on BoxMac.
00:55This show.
00:55So we thought, why don't we cook up just standard blue box.
00:58Yep.
00:58And we will parody Hot Ones, the very popular show where that one guy tries a bunch of hot sauces.
01:05I don't even know his name.
01:07And asks a bunch of, like, probing questions.
01:09Yes.
01:09I believe the kind of premise of that show, I'm not, like, a super fan.
01:12No, I've seen clips, obviously.
01:14Yes.
01:15So I thought, you know, it'd be fun.
01:16I've been friends with John for 26 years.
01:19Yep.
01:19So why don't we try this hot sauce, along with a variety of others.
01:23We've got EJ brought in some actual Hot Ones brand, and we've got Billy Mitchells, famous
01:30from the documentary King of Kong.
01:32Okay.
01:33We've got his Ricky's hot sauce.
01:34Ooh.
01:35And he's very, like, the fact that he has a hot sauce brand is very, like, affiliated with
01:39him.
01:40Yeah.
01:40Maybe I'll learn something about you.
01:41Yeah.
01:42Maybe I'll, you know, you've prepared a bunch of questions for me.
01:44I've prepared a smaller number for you.
01:46We'll kind of go back and forth a little.
01:47All right.
01:48You know?
01:48I think it's going to be interesting.
01:49I've got some things that I really would like to know.
01:52Okay.
01:52And I think you do, too.
01:53All right.
01:53We'll figure them out.
01:54We'll figure them out.
01:54Today on Box Ones.
01:56Today on Box Ones.
01:58Box Ones.
02:23I'm a little scared.
02:24I'm not, like, a hot sauce guy.
02:26Yeah.
02:26I mean, I think I'm a two out of ten guy.
02:29Yeah.
02:29So maybe we'll like this.
02:30Maybe this will be all right.
02:31You ever put hot sauce on anything?
02:33Eggs.
02:34You know, scrambled eggs.
02:35Classic place to put it.
02:37Sometimes on just a chicken thigh.
02:39It's really good.
02:39My dad makes that sometimes.
02:41That's about it.
02:42I used to dab some Tabasco on a slice of cheese pizza.
02:45Oh, that actually sounds really nice.
02:47That's it.
02:47That's about as far as I go.
02:49You know, I enjoy things like Indian food, but this thing of, like, you pour hot sauce on
02:53your chicken?
02:54Yeah.
02:54It's not a meat thing.
02:55Okay.
02:56Let's try this.
02:57What kind is this?
03:02All right.
03:03So this is like a palate cleanser.
03:04Yeah.
03:08Yeah.
03:09It's nice.
03:09It's kind of hitting me.
03:10Yeah.
03:11It's pretty light.
03:11It is, but it's enough that I'm like, that's fine.
03:14I wouldn't want to go much further, and I think we're going way further.
03:17Yeah.
03:18I don't have that much of a problem with that.
03:19I could go further.
03:20Some people don't know.
03:21We live right on the Rhode Island-Massachusetts border.
03:25Yeah.
03:25You grew up in Rhode Island.
03:27I did.
03:27As did I.
03:28Yeah.
03:28And then moved to Massachusetts shortly thereafter.
03:30I did.
03:31Are you a Rhode Islander, or are you a masshole?
03:35I kind of think I'm more of a Rhode Islander.
03:37I think I embody that kind of, like, 15 minutes is too far mentality, you know, that is really...
03:45You probably have more opinions about Providence traffic than you do Boston traffic.
03:48Oh, yeah.
03:49You know, I've worked in Rhode Island basically all my life.
03:51You know, so I think I'm more, you know.
03:53Yeah.
03:54More of the Rhode Island blood.
03:55Plus, I love me a grinder.
03:57I love me a cabinet.
03:58You know, any Rhode Island term you can...
04:00I don't think people even know what that is.
04:01A cabinet is a milkshake.
04:03Take a drink from the bubble-O, get some jimmies.
04:05You know, all those Rhode Island-isms.
04:06I guess some of that bleeds into Massachusetts.
04:08But I would say Autocrat Coffee Syrup, that's specifically...
04:10Specifically Rhode Island, and that's my go-to brand.
04:12Okay.
04:13You want to hit me with a question before our next Hot Sauce?
04:15Absolutely.
04:16We started in the trenches of guerrilla filmmaking.
04:18That was really where we got our beginnings.
04:21How did you know this?
04:24It was an era that was defined by us getting tapes confiscated in convenience stores
04:29and hauling kitchen tables out of my parents' kitchen.
04:33We needed a table at a location one time, and John was like,
04:36we can bring my family's table.
04:37Yeah, we just took it.
04:38It was just gone.
04:39They couldn't eat anything until we bought it back.
04:41It was great.
04:42While we aren't running from store clerks anymore,
04:44what's the most valuable instinct that you learned from those chaotic times
04:48that you still carry with you?
04:49Is there a specific mindset from that time that remains relevant to how you live your life today?
04:55I think the one that leaps to mind is to not be a perfectionist.
04:59You know, so I'm 40 now, and I've met a ton of artists, and I've worked with a ton of
05:02artists,
05:03and I've met a lot of people that are waiting for circumstances and criteria to be just right
05:07before they can move forward.
05:09And I was the opposite, certainly when I was young, I was the opposite of that, to a fault,
05:13where it was like, let's just show up to the place and shoot the movie and whatever, and we'll apologize.
05:19It's like, I live this ethos of ask for forgiveness instead of permission.
05:22Yeah.
05:23You know, there's this thing that they always do at corporate retreats where they say, like,
05:28here's a bunch of spaghetti and some tape, and whoever in 15 minutes,
05:31whichever group has the tallest spaghetti tower wins.
05:34And what they found is that all the people that spend a lot of the first 10 minutes or 5
05:39minutes
05:40engineering the spaghetti tower lose.
05:42And it tends to be younger group and children who win.
05:46Wow.
05:46And the reason is because they just start iterating chaotically.
05:49And sometimes I think, like, making strides or being productive.
05:53One thing I can at least say about myself confidently at 40 is I've gotten a lot done.
05:57Yeah.
05:57I've covered a lot of ground.
05:58You have, no doubt.
05:59You know, like, I've checked a lot of boxes.
06:01So, yeah, I think moving forward.
06:02Like, like, having a bias towards productivity.
06:05Yes.
06:06Over the, you know, having the criteria be just so.
06:08Yeah.
06:10Mike Matei's, creamy white sauce.
06:12Yuck.
06:15Oh, I like it.
06:17I actually like it.
06:19It's just me, it has almost no heat.
06:21Right.
06:21That's why I like it.
06:22Yeah.
06:23Well, like, it evokes heat.
06:24Like, it has, like, a sense of, you know, a kink.
06:28Yeah, underneath, but very subtle.
06:30I mean, I could eat that all day, every day.
06:31Yeah.
06:32No trouble.
06:32All right, I got a question for you.
06:33Sure.
06:34You once spoke with a British accent and said it was because it made you more likable.
06:38Yeah.
06:39Was this unconscious?
06:41Do you ever still do it?
06:42And why do you think British accents are likable?
06:45Some people don't like British people.
06:46You're right.
06:47I mean, this is kind of a really, you know, a lot of, especially that era of my life was
06:51defined by trying to get people to like me a lot.
06:53I always wanted people to like me a lot.
06:55It's kind of, you know, who I am.
06:57I think at first it was not conscious.
06:58I think it was just doing it kind of automatically, you know, just as a way to just put my,
07:05make
07:05myself a little different and a little more approachable and a way to put on a bit of
07:08a character so that I could become someone who's a little more, a little cooler, a little
07:12like more, you know, witty, a little funnier.
07:14Like the eccentricity would kind of like guard against any other thing that might block
07:19somebody from liking you.
07:20Yeah, exactly.
07:21It kind of created a little bit of a character that I could grow in.
07:24And then it became more intentional.
07:25Right.
07:26Where I was, now I was, I wasn't subtly playing the character.
07:29I was just playing the character.
07:30Yeah.
07:30I think as time has gone on, I wanted to play less characters in my life.
07:35I wanted to be more me, you know?
07:37Yeah.
07:37So I've kind of moved away from that completely.
07:39I still love to put on a British accent if somebody enjoys a British accent because it's
07:42fun.
07:43Do you, were you like watching British media when you were a kid and that seeped in?
07:47Not as much as you think.
07:48I actually watch much more now.
07:49I watch so much British media now and New Zealand media and Australian media, all those
07:53like the panel shows and stuff.
07:54I love all that stuff.
07:55What's your very favorite one?
07:57Taskmaster.
07:57Absolutely.
07:58Yeah.
07:58It's, it's such a great show.
08:00It's really, and you can watch it on YouTube.
08:02There you go.
08:02All free.
08:06So this was shipped to us by Jimmy B, who also got me this beautiful firehouse hat.
08:12I love that hat.
08:12It's amazing.
08:13It kind of evokes hot sauce, don't you think?
08:15A little bit.
08:15Yeah.
08:16Like you really, like you're a lover of it.
08:17Yeah.
08:17Which you're not.
08:18Nor am I from Texas.
08:20Yes.
08:21Okay.
08:21Let's try it.
08:21All right.
08:22This is Billy Mitchell's hot sauce.
08:27Good.
08:28Um, it's very sweet.
08:30Yeah.
08:30And the, the, he is just kind of, the spice is just kind of like somewhere in the back
08:35of the mouth.
08:35Oh, I like it actually.
08:36It's actually nice.
08:37Yeah.
08:37It's a really good hot sauce.
08:38This guy also just recently won a big lawsuit against Carl Jobs.
08:42I don't know who that is.
08:43It's like an Australian personality.
08:44Yeah.
08:44You absolute legend.
08:46I really like that sauce actually.
08:47I think it's delicious.
08:48Yeah.
08:48You'd buy Ricky's again.
08:50I don't know how much.
08:51I mean, it must be a serious premium with his name on it.
08:53You were an early technology adopter.
08:55Absolutely.
08:56In fact, when I met you, that was kind of like, you know, one, there were one of several
09:00like traits, you know, predominant traits, like technology enthusiast, musician, British
09:05accent, something like that.
09:07How has that changed or has it not?
09:10I still love technology.
09:12You know, as much as a lot of people really hate AI, I actually love AI and not just the
09:17LLM.
09:17Unsubscribe.
09:18Yep.
09:18They're all gone.
09:19They're all leaving.
09:20They're so pissed.
09:20There's going to be so many hate comments.
09:22You know, to be clear, I'm not for like us saying that artists can't make art or anything
09:27like that.
09:28I'm all about that.
09:28I think that's incredible.
09:29The point is, I think it's the most incredible piece of technology we've had in a while.
09:33In a world that's kind of flattened all the technology into my phone, every piece of technology
09:38is in here that I used to like, you know, video playback, audio recording, video cameras,
09:44cameras, everything's in here now.
09:45Yeah.
09:45There's a lot more or less technology.
09:47I think AI is probably the most exciting thing to come along in a long time.
09:50And I am very excited about that.
09:51And I consider myself to be a little ahead of the curve in terms of where people are
09:55in terms of exploring AI.
09:57I've always said, if you're overly a detractor or you're overly enthusiastic, you probably
10:03haven't used it very much.
10:05Yeah.
10:06I mean, I see a lot of cool uses for it.
10:09I'm pretty excited about it.
10:10And I see at work, I'm one of the leading adopters of it.
10:13You know, I can see that.
10:14So still there.
10:16Our history is populated by a massive cast of characters.
10:1920 years later, basically that room has emptied out, except for you, Nina, and me.
10:26From the original people who kind of started this journey with us.
10:29And Zach.
10:30We got to put Zach in there.
10:31Zach's in there.
10:31You're right.
10:32Absolutely.
10:33Zach's in there too.
10:34And Matt.
10:35Okay.
10:35Maybe that question isn't as good.
10:37But the point is, a lot of people that we used to be around were no longer around.
10:42Yes.
10:42Looking back, do you think that there was a fundamental quality in our dynamic that prevented
10:47us from drifting apart?
10:48Or are we simply the lucky ones that managed to stay in orbit when life took everyone else
10:53in different directions?
10:54That's a great question.
10:54Yeah.
10:55I've actually have wondered that very question before.
10:57I'm like, well, why?
10:58You know, because what happens when you, especially when friendships are based on creative endeavors,
11:03is there's like an enthusiasm or an infatuation with the project or with the energy of the
11:07moment.
11:08And then, you know, normally it's like, oh, it's because we were working at the same job
11:11together or we were in college together or we were living in that city together at
11:14that time.
11:15And then when the projects are kind of over, you start to fade apart.
11:19And you and I haven't for some reason.
11:20One of the stranger things about the relationship is I was 14 and you were 20.
11:24Yes.
11:25So it was kind of like a big brother relationship where like, here's the guy who can drive and
11:28I can't drive.
11:29And here's the guy who has access to like a little bit of money and like I have no money
11:33because I'm a 14 year old.
11:35So those were formative friendship years of like, you know, you, you know, me down to
11:39like my most embarrassing moments and everything else.
11:42So it's like, it either is going to work or it doesn't at a certain point.
11:46Probably there's some yin and yang here.
11:48Like, you know, what you're doing with, with music and what you're doing with technology
11:52and your sense of humor and like this really unique perspective that you bring to everything.
11:57And my guess is that you're like, well, I like that this guy is in motion.
12:00And cause like, I'm like often like not in motion.
12:03Yeah.
12:03You know, it's like a, it's like two opposing forces that cause something to not break.
12:07Yes.
12:07It's something like, you know what I mean?
12:08I think that's a really interesting point.
12:09I mean, you definitely provide the motion and momentum for us to do all the things like
12:14this.
12:15I would have never like sat down in front of a camera and talked about, you know, somewhat
12:18But you've been, but you've been agreeable.
12:20Oh yeah.
12:20Cause that's the other thing is like you, you, you, the alternative could have been, you could
12:24have said like, well, I don't really feel like that.
12:25I don't want to do that on a Saturday morning, but you've, you've, I think over time you've
12:29developed even more where you've decided like, I'm going to just say yes.
12:32Yeah.
12:32I'm going to say yes to stuff.
12:33Yes.
12:33If it's weird and it's strange and I don't know what it is yet.
12:36Just say yes.
12:36I mean, how, how weird is it going to be?
12:38Right.
12:38You know?
12:38And maybe, maybe at a certain point, like you've been through enough projects and through
12:42enough fun and there's been enough reward from kind of just going with it.
12:45Yeah.
12:45That you're like, well, I'm just going to go with it next time.
12:47And I think part of it is I trust you that you're going to, that anything that you're
12:50working on and dedicating effort to is going to come out with some level of qualities.
12:54They're going to be hiccups.
12:54Absolutely.
12:55But it's going to come to somewhere.
12:56And I would say too, that just to put a finer point on it, my creative life, you were a,
13:03like one of the first bricks that was laid down in the, in the house.
13:08Yeah.
13:08So there's no, like, if you take the John Hunt out of it, um, it's going to feel pretty
13:13weird.
13:14I think, um, it's, yeah, it's foundational and there's the opposing forces there.
13:18Yeah.
13:19Very interesting.
13:19We need more hot sauce.
13:24I'm not overwhelmed by anything.
13:26No, I'm not overwhelmed.
13:27What's the heat level on this?
13:29It's, these are all pretty mild.
13:30Okay.
13:31Okay.
13:31Let's give it a try.
13:36To me, this is pretty mild, salsa-y.
13:39Um, a little bit of heat in the back.
13:40Salsa-y?
13:41It tastes like salsa?
13:42Yeah.
13:42Yeah.
13:43Like a thin salsa.
13:43Do you like salsa?
13:44Yeah, I do.
13:45I do.
13:45I love salsa and chips.
13:46It's not super hot.
13:47That's not why I'm going for the milk.
13:48I just need a little, a little liquid.
13:49I'm like a little tiny bit uncomfortable from it.
13:51Tell us about how you became acquainted with music.
13:54The various instruments, because a lot of people don't know you play instruments besides
13:58piano.
13:58And opportunities you've had to play and how you remain active.
14:02Yeah.
14:02So, I mean, music is kind of a, is, is foundational to my life.
14:06Um, you know, my love of music started when I was just a kid.
14:09Uh, my dad and my mom both loved music and I got their collection of 45s and I listened
14:14to those extensively as a child.
14:16So a lot of my love of music comes out of the music of their teenage years, which is the
14:20fifties and sixties.
14:21I had a little toy piano as a kid and I would make up little songs and that evolved into,
14:26you know, should we, my parents thinking, you know, should we get you piano lessons?
14:29And I was like, sure, I'm all about piano lessons.
14:31I got into band in high school and then started playing other instruments.
14:35I played baritone horn, uh, and, um, trumpet and tuba for a while in different bands in
14:41middle school and early in high school.
14:43And then that evolved further when I got more, you know, into computer audio in high school
14:47in MIDI class, learning about how computers can make music.
14:50You know, music is so central to my life and, and I love exploring new ways to express it
14:56and, and come, come to it, you know.
14:58Yeah.
14:58What was the best day of your life?
15:00Um, you know, it's interesting.
15:03I never view days in my life as the best day.
15:07Um, there's lots of moments.
15:09There's lots of little pieces of days that I'm like that one, you know, that, that five
15:14minutes or that, that 10 minutes or that, that period or that moment, you know?
15:18Uh, but when I had to really go through and think about best days, we, we come up to like
15:24very recent times and that's me with my family, with my, with my nephew, Caleb, who I love
15:30very much.
15:30I love all my nieces and nephews.
15:32Um, but a day, a particular day I spent in September this, uh, last year with him was
15:38probably the best day.
15:40Wow.
15:40The best full day of my life.
15:42It was just a, a, a wonderful day.
15:44That's good.
15:44You know?
15:45Because you don't want them all to be back in when you were five or when you were seven.
15:49No, I mean, I actually don't have any from when I was a kid.
15:51There were no really great days.
15:53Yeah.
15:53Um, the, you know, they start kind of in, in my twenties, the good, the good moments,
15:59you know?
15:59And then it's just kind of now that I'm finding good days, which is really great.
16:03Yeah.
16:04That's good.
16:09Yeah.
16:09We need something that's going to abuse us a little bit more than this.
16:11This is, this should be medium, more medium here instead of the mild.
16:15All right.
16:19Maybe part of it is it needs to be on chicken.
16:23That was just really nice.
16:25Yeah.
16:26I really liked it.
16:26That was, that was the least hot of everything we've eaten.
16:29It was, it was a delicious flavor too.
16:31Yeah.
16:31It's nice.
16:31Your shower.
16:32Yes.
16:33Has a tremendous number of shower heads.
16:35It does.
16:36Have you ever run out of hot water and what note did you hit when it went cold?
16:41So it's a great question.
16:42It's fun.
16:43My shower has an overhead rainfall shower head.
16:47It's got a handheld shower head that I love.
16:49And then it's got four body sprayer heads.
16:51I don't use the body spray heads very often, but the system that we have in our house is
16:56a continuous hot water system.
16:58It can't run out of hot water as long as there's oil.
17:01Yeah.
17:01It's different than a normal home hot water system.
17:05So no, we don't run out of hot water here.
17:07Okay.
17:07Um, and thus I have only, the only time I've ever experienced a truly high note shower was
17:13when the furnace entered an error state and was not heating water anymore.
17:18And I, it was, I was halfway through, I was all soaked up and, and, you know, as you are
17:23in the shower and that was it.
17:25We were gone.
17:27There was, there was no more.
17:28We went from, went from like comfortably warm to like whomp.
17:32So the point is like in order to rinse off, you were going to have to tolerate the cold
17:36water.
17:37Yeah.
17:37And this was winter.
17:38This was winter, you know, a couple of years ago.
17:39And that water is, you know, like 43.
17:42Are you like me?
17:43Are you getting, um, as you get older, is it harder for you to be cold?
17:47I don't like being cold at all.
17:49Just this winter.
17:50I'm like, I don't, I can't, I don't have time for this.
17:52Yeah.
17:52I, yeah.
17:53I, I, I have to be in a certain temperature range.
17:56Uh, specifically at night, I want it 58 and during the, and under the comforts, it's nice
18:01and warm with like.
18:02It's way too cold for me.
18:02Yeah.
18:03And during the day, I want it 64.
18:05If it's lower than 64, I can't take it.
18:07Dude, like, like when it's 68 in our house, I'm like, can we take the chill out of here?
18:10Really?
18:11I'm like, I'm becoming my dad.
18:14Because everybody eventually will become their dad.
18:17Yeah.
18:22All right, AVGN.
18:24AVGN.
18:24It's shitty games.
18:26It's shitty games.
18:27All right.
18:27All right, ready?
18:28Yep.
18:32It's hot.
18:33A little.
18:34It's not that bad.
18:35We have surpassed a quarter century of friendship, a lifetime in entertainment years.
18:39Yes.
18:40We've evolved from singing Josh Groban in abandoned houses to eating ruined mac and cheese today.
18:45We've shed various versions of ourselves as we've grown up.
18:49Yes.
18:49When you compare the man who started the friendship to the man that's sitting here now, what is
18:55the single misconception that your younger self held that you had to correct?
19:01Tradition is not arbitrary.
19:06And structure is not arbitrary.
19:09I think that like one of the things that I got a real kick out of, certainly creatively,
19:13when you would have first met me is we can make our own rules.
19:16And this is a young guy problem, I think, is like nobody has existed before us.
19:20Yeah.
19:21And so everybody's got it wrong.
19:23Everybody has a dogma.
19:25Everybody, you know, so like in the filmmaking world, it's everybody thinks you have to shoot
19:28this way or everybody thinks that it needs to spend, it costs this much money.
19:31That was a big thing.
19:32That was like a big feather in our cap was like, you make good stuff without money.
19:36But that seeped into, well, what's marriage anyway?
19:42And, you know, we made a whole documentary about how weddings are too expensive.
19:45And I stand behind the fact that the expense is unnecessary.
19:49But ultimately, you know, I remember being in the middle of making that documentary,
19:52told that to us part, and being like, wait, I'm like becoming a big believer in marriage
19:57as like an institution that I wasn't before.
20:00And so I need to make sure I'm critiquing weddings and not marriage.
20:04But yeah, I think probably the thing that he needs to understand is like, there are people
20:09that went before you, and they have some really good ideas, and you're not the smartest one
20:14in the room.
20:15And you don't want to be the smartest one in the room, actually.
20:18It's a vulnerable, uncomfortable spot to be in.
20:21That's interesting.
20:22I mean, and also another thing, if you really want to get things done, if you really want
20:26to be productive, like you do have to lift other people up.
20:28Like, you have to, you can't like just, you can't be like, all right, all of you sit
20:32in the back, I'll pull the whole thing.
20:34It's like not enough that like you stood out, like you have to bring people along with you.
20:38Which Red Cow project is your favorite to watch?
20:41Which was your favorite to be part of, and why?
20:44The fascinating thing, you may find this fascinating, is they're the same thing.
20:48And that is the last feature film we did.
20:51Yeah.
20:52Having fun up there.
20:52Having fun up there.
20:53Yeah.
20:54That was my favorite project to be involved with.
20:58I loved the scale, and the scope, and the story, and the, just the way we did, we went
21:04through that production.
21:05It has a lot of great messages that still, you know, as I get older, resonate a little
21:09less maybe, but still resonate with me.
21:12Yeah.
21:12You know, one thing that may surprise you, or may not surprise you, is I really don't
21:16care to watch myself that much.
21:17Yeah.
21:18You know, and a lot of our content has a lot of me in it.
21:22And so that, while I definitely do watch episodes of Box Mac, I'll pull one up or put one on
21:26or watch a clip or something.
21:28I tend to go for the art content that we've created that has less of me.
21:32Yeah.
21:32In it.
21:32That's the content that kind of engages me more.
21:34Yeah.
21:35So that's the reason for that.
21:37That's why, that's my go-to.
21:38And I usually watch that, if not every year, every other year.
21:40I'll give Having Fun Up There a watch.
21:42They don't, and we don't, make independent films like that anymore.
21:45No.
21:46No, there's a specialness to making a, I mean, I love making Box Mac, and I love when we
21:50go out and do all kinds of stuff.
21:51But there's a specialness that comes, for me anyway, to having the film be a product.
21:56You know, every time we've done that, it's a bit of a magical experience for me.
22:01It's like going to camp.
22:02Yeah, it is.
22:03You know, you're in this world with just this group of people, and you're solving problems,
22:07and you're getting things done, and making an amazing product.
22:11And that's a unique experience in my life, anyway.
22:14Because you're only trying to do that one thing, too.
22:15Yeah.
22:16You're here to make this movie.
22:17All towards the one goal.
22:17Yeah, right.
22:18Yeah.
22:19If you were stranded on a desert island, which OXO utensil would you bring?
22:23All right.
22:23This is a good one.
22:24OXO made a 15-piece knife set.
22:27I'm bringing the 15-piece knife set.
22:29Because you could cook.
22:30I could cook.
22:30But you could also.
22:31I could use, the knives are big enough.
22:33I could cut small branches to make firewood.
22:35I could, you know, if I need to, like, stab a fish or something, maybe.
22:40Probably not.
22:41But I could try.
22:42I think that of all the tools I could have, that would probably be the most useful set.
22:50Can I read that as him?
22:52Give me that thing.
22:53Ready?
22:53Yeah, let's hear it.
22:54Habanero pumpkin.
22:58Bite into the madness.
22:59A fiery mix of seasonal bold.
23:02It'll wake the dead.
23:03Perfect for creatures in the night or anyone craving a spicy scare.
23:08All right, hit me.
23:12There's video of James eating this stuff.
23:15And, like, his face is on fire and all this.
23:19Is that the hottest one we've had so far?
23:21It seems very hot.
23:22EJ, just, sir, could you just spoon me a little bit of that so I could try it?
23:26You're worried that the Mac is...
23:28I'm just, I'm wondering.
23:29Decreasing?
23:30A little bit, yeah.
23:35Like, none of these are blowing me out.
23:37It's, I mean, even plain, it's hot, but it's not, like, blowing me away.
23:42Right.
23:43You know, I wanted to, it is a little pumpkin-y.
23:45Yeah.
23:46And actually, the pumpkin's nice.
23:47Yeah.
23:48The flavor's good.
23:49It never occurred to me that you could have a pumpkin hot sauce.
23:52What's something that people always get completely wrong about you?
23:55I think that a lot of people think that I am, you know, the character that I play on
24:01Box Mac.
24:02Right.
24:02You know?
24:03That is me, but it's way up, right?
24:06I'm not, I'm a lot lower than that, really.
24:09They don't see the quiet John, and there's, like, a lot of quiet John.
24:12There's a lot of quiet John.
24:13There's a lot of, like, contemplative John.
24:15There's a lot of, like, you know, really much smaller energy than anything.
24:23I think that a lot of people think I'm just this.
24:25You know, that I'm just, I'm always, you know, wah, wah, wah.
24:27Bargain hunting and all the, yeah.
24:28I'm not.
24:29I'm really, I'm really much, much quieter than this when kind of left to my own devices.
24:34Yeah.
24:34What's your most cherished belonging?
24:36We've done, we did a show called Scavenger John, where we go around the premises.
24:41I don't know if you have any, like, proper collections at this point outside of the SNS
24:44one, but, like, what's your most cherished collection?
24:47Yeah, I mean, I kind of have a lot of collections now.
24:49I was going through them in my mind.
24:50I have my, my Falsecraft collection, which is pretty substantial.
24:54I have my, obviously, my video game collection, my vintage computer collection, which is a massive
24:59number of the vintage computers.
25:01I have kind of a collection of Canon lenses that I use for photography.
25:05I've added one or two to that, that collection even since then.
25:10I have a big collection of granny square blankets.
25:13You know, there's maybe 10 on my bed right now, and I have another 10 upstairs at least.
25:18I didn't know it was technically a collection.
25:20Yeah, I mean, I think there's enough in it now that it's definitely a collection.
25:24My favorite physical thing is actually one of my granny square blankets.
25:28It's one that I bought at a church fair, not one that we went to, just one I went to
25:32independently.
25:33Paid $10 for it.
25:34It's a king size.
25:36It was obviously handmade.
25:37It's got beautiful rosettes.
25:38If I had to throw things out of, out of the house in a fire, computer would be first so
25:42I
25:42could save all my photos and everything.
25:44And that blanket would be second.
25:51This smells hot.
25:53You're right.
25:58It's hot.
26:00Oh, okay.
26:01That's the first time.
26:02Yeah.
26:04Oh boy.
26:05It's legitimately hot.
26:07It's uncomfortable.
26:08Yeah.
26:09Okay, I don't think I've ever had anything quite like that before.
26:11No.
26:12Where it's like, it's here to stay.
26:17How are you doing over there?
26:18It's hot.
26:19Ooh.
26:22Good.
26:23Good.
26:24I'm glad it's up there.
26:24Wow.
26:26Yeah.
26:27I feel like we just went from like two and a half to like eight.
26:30Yeah.
26:33We've decelerated from a weekly grind of 40 episodes a year to a handful of seasonal traditions
26:38in a few episodes.
26:39Yeah.
26:40But the strange thing is, despite the long gaps between our shoots, the moment the lights
26:44turn on and we say, welcome to Box Mac.
26:46The chemistry is instant.
26:47What is it about our specific dynamic that allows us to bypass the awkwardness and pick
26:51up exactly where we left off, even as the rest of our lives have drifted in kind of such
26:55different directions?
26:56I don't know.
26:56I guess it's like a frequency.
26:58It's a channel.
26:58Yeah.
26:59That you just tune right into.
27:00You know, I remember early on when we were making the shows, you know, the first 50 episodes
27:05or something, something I would frequently hear from people.
27:07Yeah, I need one too.
27:11I'm tingly.
27:13They would say, like, did you write the episode or did you whatever?
27:17Occasionally we've had people on the show who are like, oh, I have like this idea.
27:21There's like a joke I want to say.
27:22I'm going to like wait for the joke.
27:25And so, I mean, for those who ever wonder, yeah, I mean, the cameras turn on and we just
27:30start talking.
27:30Sometimes I'll have a topic just so that we can have something to chat about.
27:34So I'm like, oh, you know, the CRT thing or something I want to talk to John about.
27:38But I think that it betrays the concept of the show to like in any way try to rig it.
27:43Yeah.
27:44Unless it's a scripted episode.
27:45In which case, you know, but it's, you know, like I love the Halloween episodes.
27:50I think they're all great.
27:51Yeah.
27:51I really do.
27:52The scripted ones and everything.
27:53But I actually think that like for me, for re-watching the Halloween Food Network one,
27:58and that was all unscripted.
27:59And that was a time where the night before, we had some other totally different concept of what
28:03we were going to do the next day.
28:04And suddenly I was like, wait, we could just do Food Network.
28:06Yeah.
28:07And the EJ was like, great, great.
28:08Yeah, awesome.
28:09And we just shot some B-roll.
28:10And then, you know, from there, a lot of it happened in editing.
28:13What people often are responding to is the, I hear this a lot too, is I like that I'm
28:18watching real friends.
28:19Yeah.
28:20Which makes me reflect on, do you think that there are YouTube channels where like the
28:23people on camera don't hang out or?
28:26Oh, yeah.
28:26I can tell.
28:27I think it's easy to tell.
28:29Yeah.
28:29If the people aren't actually friends, you know, some people are better at pretending
28:34at it than others, but I think that you can, you can tell.
28:37Yeah.
28:3726 years, you know another person so well, you know what's going to be exciting for them.
28:42You know what's not going to be exciting for them.
28:44You know what's going to be irritating.
28:45And a good marriage, I think this happens too, is like conflict is something that you
28:48can kind of see coming from a mile away.
28:49So you start to figure out like, well, John never really likes when we do this.
28:53So I'm going to try to figure out something else.
28:54Sure.
28:55And in the same way, I know the things that if I do them while we're doing a production,
28:58it's going to annoy you.
28:59Yeah.
28:59I should, you know, it's not about, it's just about making everything smoother.
29:03And that's kind of what any kind of good relationship is.
29:06If both people are attentive and sensitive to what the other person is sensitive to,
29:10and each person is not sensitive to too many things.
29:13Yeah.
29:13You can have a really healthy relationship.
29:15I mean, in many ways, like it's, you know, the podcast that I do with EJ is how I talk
29:19to EJ.
29:20Yeah.
29:20It's when I speak to him.
29:21Yep.
29:23And BoxMac and John's car is when I talk to you.
29:26So it's like a, it doubles as like hangout time.
29:28Yeah, absolutely.
29:30Have you misplaced Earthbound again?
29:32If so, why?
29:33If not, where is it right now?
29:37You have to tell me and be accurate.
29:38It's at the top of the stairs in the closet in one of the big tubs.
29:44That's where it is.
29:45I know it.
29:45Okay.
29:46I have not misplaced it.
29:48Okay.
29:48That game's worth too much to have to misplace.
29:50I mean, we're up in the 350s.
29:52Looking back on it, do you feel like it was a bit ridiculous that you misplaced Earthbound
29:55and that EJ had to find it in the room of disaster?
29:58Yes.
29:58It was absolutely ridiculous.
29:59It kind of touches on a bit of a point where I love my collections, but I have to be
30:04very
30:04careful about not letting my collections overwhelm me.
30:07Yeah.
30:07I've been having the problem with like fans will send in Laserdisc tapes or whatever.
30:10They're like, hey, I got this giant box of tapes.
30:11Do you want all of them?
30:12And I'm like, I can't possibly.
30:14Yeah.
30:15I'm going to, where the hell am I going to put all these tapes?
30:17Exactly.
30:17Yeah.
30:17Space is a lot more precious than money.
30:24Here's what I want to do.
30:25Yeah.
30:26We're going to eat this.
30:27Yeah.
30:27And then you're going to roll right into your question from me.
30:30Okay.
30:30Okay?
30:31Here we go.
30:31Da-bomb.
30:41Oh.
30:46Okay.
30:47I'm invincible.
30:50I think it was, I think, I think it was just got nestled in a noodle and went right
30:54down.
30:56Because that is not.
30:57I feel it, but I'm okay.
30:59I think the last one was worse.
31:01Yeah.
31:02Oh my gosh.
31:03I got nestled in a noodle.
31:03Okay.
31:04Okay.
31:05Okay.
31:07Keep out of control.
31:08I got nestled in a noodle and went right in a noodle and went right in a noodle and I'm
31:17All right.
31:23What do they say?
31:23Psychologists say, fatherhood doesn't just add a person to your life.
31:28It reprograms your worldview.
31:30How has the responsibility of raising your daughter, who is eight now, altered your definition
31:35of integrity compared to when we were just guys in our 20s?
31:39Has that definition shifted alongside your other major perspective changes in life?
31:44Um, I don't know.
31:45What do you think?
31:46Have I changed a lot?
31:48Since before you knew him?
31:50I can't get the heat out of my mouth.
31:52Well, you did.
31:53If I didn't have you as a father and I had some other sloppy guy on the couch doing drugs.
32:01It would be a junkie for sure.
32:03It would be kind of junkie, yeah.
32:04Do I strike you as someone who would be with a junkie?
32:07No.
32:08Let me try to answer John's question about how having you has changed me.
32:12I think getting married in the first place, being sensitive to what somebody else needs
32:17is like a prerequisite.
32:20It's like training for then being sensitive to what a helpless baby needs.
32:25One of the things I found about fathering was that you will engage with everything as
32:31long as it's being explained to you.
32:34So when you were little, you used to say, I'd like to watch a, you know, I would say,
32:37hey, you want to watch this movie with me?
32:38And you were like, only if you tell me everything that's going on during it.
32:41Because your brain is like input.
32:43And I think that's something you quickly learn is like everything that you do influences this
32:48child.
32:49And now, like, I feel like we've like influenced each other's sense of humor a lot over time.
32:54You know what another big part of it is?
32:56Getting to know like her friends and her like cohort of classmates.
32:59You start to realize that like you're invested in not just like one kid.
33:02Like, because you can do the selfish thing of being like, like, I care about my kid or
33:06something.
33:06But you start to realize you're like, no, she's like, she's part of a cohort and she's
33:09part of the worlds that I'm not going to be part of, basically.
33:13And you start investing yourself in that.
33:15And so I'm a big believer.
33:15I've become a big believer that it, as you grow older, it's extremely important that
33:21you're doing something for the next generation.
33:23Like you have to be oriented towards the next generation in some way.
33:26Like, invest in that.
33:28I also think, like, I look back at 15 years ago videos and I seem maybe a little more
33:35nihilistic, cynical, and, you know, having a child will soften you.
33:39It'll make you patient, sensitive.
33:43Humbled.
33:44Yeah, humbled.
33:45Yeah.
33:46Because you can mess it up.
33:47I really put me into mom and dad's life to sometimes tell them the hard things.
33:53Yeah, you hit me with the hard stuff.
33:56All right.
33:56That's my answer.
33:57Very cool.
33:58That was tough.
33:59That was tough.
33:59That one was tough.
34:01If you had more than a drop, what would have happened to you?
34:04Out of here.
34:05I don't know where I'm going, but I'm like having like mild dysfunction of the senses.
34:13Like my throat's messed up.
34:14My nose is starting to run.
34:16You know, I've got this, my tooth is burning.
34:23It's like a straight, like I've never had burning teeth before.
34:28My face is red.
34:31Well, it's the same question.
34:32Sure.
34:33It's the exact same question.
34:34How has becoming an uncle transformed your life?
34:36Yeah.
34:36And I think there's a lot of similarities, you know.
34:39It's obviously not the same thing as fatherhood, but I think it is a very adjacent experience.
34:46To be able to be a positive influence on the lives of the next generation, it definitely
34:53changes your perspective.
34:54Like you said, you know, it makes you want to make the world a better place for them.
34:58You've got skin in the game.
34:59Yeah.
35:00You know, in my life, I don't feel like I ever got to experience a lot of love, you know,
35:07or at least love that didn't come with qualifications and conditions.
35:10Right.
35:11And the love that I experienced from my nieces and nephews is a different class of love.
35:17Totally.
35:17You know, it's a beautiful kind of heartfelt love that I don't think you can experience
35:25in any other way.
35:26Yeah.
35:27I think there's a beauty and a magic to that that for me has been really kind of healing
35:32and really kind of has bought a lot of pleasure to me.
35:37Renewing.
35:37Yeah.
35:38A lot of invigoration and excitement about, you know, things.
35:42That's good.
35:42So I think that it's been an incredible experience for sure.
35:46Yeah.
35:46Yeah.
35:47What's something that's gone that you wish you could have back?
35:52I mean, I could answer that in a really kind of easy way, right?
35:56I could say like building 19.
36:00But that's not...
36:01Not grandma.
36:02No.
36:03Building 19.
36:04No, but that's kind of what I'm saying is that like, well, it's easy for me to just
36:10say like of all the small kind of knocks against my and our existence that is growing older.
36:18Yeah.
36:18Right.
36:19All the little hits that you have to endure despite the positives, despite the new things
36:24that are brought in, there's a lot of little continuous dings, the passing of people you
36:28love, the closing of restaurants and the change in styles and the way the world starts
36:36to disconnect from you and all those things.
36:38For me, the thing that I lost the most was in my 20s, I had a lot of optimism about
36:48the
36:48future.
36:49Um, like about my own personal future, that things were going to get good, like the things
36:54were going to, that I was going to find myself a relationship that I really liked and find
36:58myself in a, in a situation in which I would consider myself happy.
37:02And that never developed, right?
37:03That for all kinds of reasons.
37:05Um, and that, that optimism about where things are headed to in for a personal, you know,
37:12for me personally is kind of a thing that I think I miss most.
37:16Uh, I don't have that anymore.
37:17I have lots of other great things in my life.
37:20You know, I have all my friends, I have my family, which is incredibly valuable to me.
37:24But for me personally, I kind of feel like my story is, is pretty much written, you know,
37:29there's going to be more chapters.
37:30Right.
37:31Um, but the, the potential for the most interesting part I think is past.
37:34You wish potential was back.
37:36Yeah.
37:36I wish there was still potential.
37:37Yeah.
37:38Yeah.
37:38Yeah.
37:38I get that.
37:39What's something that happened a long time ago, but you think about it all the time.
37:44Yeah.
37:44If I'm just being box Mac John, you know, I could say, Oh, I'm thinking about Entenmann's
37:49donuts in the 2000s.
37:50Yeah.
37:51Yeah.
37:51That's not true.
37:52Right.
37:53For, for me as a person, I mean the real, the real, like there's a, like I mentioned kind
37:58of earlier, there's moments I go back to in my head when I want to have a good moment,
38:02you know?
38:03Uh, and there's one in particular, and this is very personal, um, is laying on the back of
38:08someone I loved and listening to their heartbeat.
38:10Um, and it was, it was a, it was a fleeting experience because it only happened a couple
38:14of times in my life.
38:16Um, but that moment of feeling loved and connected, which is so something so central to me, um,
38:23was, is one of those moments I go back to all the time.
38:26You know, that's, uh, that's, that's, that's the one that I'd have to go with.
38:35Over 91% Pepper X.
38:38Oh God.
38:38So this is the most extreme one?
38:40We're doomed.
38:41I need milk.
38:43I might want to milk up.
38:45I'm mad that it doesn't say keep out of reach of children.
38:49Could you, EJ, could you send down the milk and milk me?
38:51Here.
38:52Not actually.
38:58We don't want to milk, John.
39:00No, no milking me.
39:01All right, let's just do this.
39:07Wait for the hit.
39:09Oh, it's terrible.
39:10Oh my God.
39:12What's something that you wish people will remember about you after you die?
39:15I hope that for the people that I cared about in my life, for those I loved,
39:26and, and kept close.
39:28I hope they'll remember me, remember, remember, I can see why this show is so popular.
39:35I hope they'll remember me for my kindness, my intelligence, and I had one more lined up
39:44and it's gone.
39:46Intelligence, kindness, humor?
39:48And humor.
39:50Sure, that's great.
39:52No, no, I do.
39:54But mostly kindness and, and, you know, making people happy and comfortable, right?
40:02And for, it's, it's never been, in my life, this is like terrible, the awful answer.
40:12In my life, it's never been, for people who aren't close to me, right, they can think whatever
40:18they want.
40:18I don't care.
40:19You know, I'm very much, it's, if, if I value people in my life, I want them to be the
40:24ones
40:24to remember me fondly.
40:25Anybody else can think whatever they want.
40:27You know, that's how I view it.
40:28Okay.
40:31We possess a massive shared history, but our history is in some ways distinct from our current
40:36connection.
40:37We used to speak the language of weekly dinners and shared Oscar obsessions, rituals that I
40:42truly loved.
40:43Over the last seven to ten years, as our lives have drifted apart, that language has been
40:48replaced, for the most part, with the shorthand of production.
40:51If we took the show away, do you think that we would still have enough in common to fill the
40:56silence, or is this table the only place where our lives still truly intersect?
41:01No, of course.
41:02I feel like a bunch of your questions are about, like, we don't talk anymore.
41:06I mean, I don't feel disconnected.
41:08I feel like I can reach out anytime on Discord.
41:11Sure.
41:11Maybe I'm taking for granted, like, the history or something, where, like, you're always available.
41:17Yeah.
41:17But you don't, you seem like you're, you know, an arm away at all times for me.
41:21Yeah.
41:22And I think if there was, like, no show for some reason, like, if the internet broke,
41:25like, I would, yeah, I think I would want to try to build in some new ritual.
41:28But I find whenever we hang out, we're talking about technology, we're talking about a movie
41:32we saw, we're talking about something that happened at work.
41:34Sure.
41:34It seems like, like, professional stuff we like to bond over a lot.
41:37I don't know, like, I'm always, I'm like, you know, today Gloria came running in to
41:40show you every Minecraft thing ever.
41:42And I feel a little bit like Gloria.
41:44I'm like, I want to show John everything I've been up to.
41:46Yeah.
41:46You know, you've always been a great sounding board or somebody who's been, like, excited for me.
41:51Yeah.
41:52Like, who's shown me enthusiasm.
41:53You've never been like, okay, you know, like, whatever.
41:56Yeah.
41:56Since I was a kid, you were always, like, enthusiastic and always, like, very supportive.
42:00Yeah.
42:01Extremely supportive.
42:02And so, like, for that reason alone, I'm always, like, drawn to have conversation.
42:05And I don't feel like I lack, like, things in common with you or something like that.
42:10Yeah.
42:10Once and for all.
42:11Mm-hmm.
42:12What's your favorite board game?
42:14Mm-hmm.
42:15To be honest, I don't really care for board games.
42:18Is it true?
42:18No.
42:19You don't like it?
42:19I love board games.
42:21Um, all right.
42:24Real serious answer.
42:27It's the Castles of Mad King Ludwig.
42:29Yep.
42:30It's my favorite board game.
42:32For some reason, that just brought up a bunch of pot sauce into my mouth.
42:38So, give me a minute.
42:39It's a really great game.
42:41And I would love to sometime, if you're ever interested, we could sit down and play it.
42:45Sure.
42:45And I think it would make a cute piece of content.
42:48Okay.
42:48Yeah, we'll film that.
42:49Yeah, all right.
42:50Well, that's good.
42:50There was a follow-up question EJ wanted me to ask you, which was, can you name a board game?
42:55Can I name a board game?
42:56Yes.
42:56But since you've...
42:57I can name a bunch.
42:58You've passed that.
42:58So, that's all the questions here on Box Ones.
43:01Here on Box Ones.
43:02Well, if you have a project that you want to shout out, talk to this camera.
43:07What does he say?
43:08This camera, this camera.
43:10Tell us through your Instagram.
43:12I don't know.
43:12Well, yeah, a lot of people don't know, you know, because they're so unenthusiastic about AI.
43:17John actually does have a secret YouTube channel.
43:18I do have a secret YouTube channel.
43:19Where he does put up the occasional AI song creation.
43:21It's called Sing, Clank, or Sing.
43:23And it's just AI songs that I have created.
43:26And I'm going to put up another batch this coming week of songs that I really like.
43:31Like, legitimately, I like these songs.
43:33I think people need to understand that it's not like clicking a button and saying, make a song.
43:37No.
43:37Some of them take, what?
43:3910 hours, 14 hours?
43:40Some take 10, 15 hours.
43:41I mean, there's one that I'm going to put up that I've actually spent.
43:45I took into audition, and I spent another eight, nine hours fixing an audition and adjusting it the way I
43:50wanted it.
43:51And do you feel like if you didn't have musical background, you wouldn't even know?
43:54No.
43:54I wouldn't have any idea, you know, what sounds like what I like.
43:58That's cool.
44:03Thank you for the milk, John.
44:06Sure.
44:06All right.
44:07Cheers.
44:09Cheers.
44:17That is unpleasant.
44:19Oh.
44:20It's like immediately unpleasant.
44:22Yeah.
44:23It's not like, oh, I have to wait for the back end.
44:26Would you ever eat that?
44:27No.
44:28Like, maybe if I say that there's a flavor that is like sort of like a citrusy background, but it's,
44:34it's, oh.
44:35So here's my question for you, Nina.
44:37So you've often come on our shoots, helped us with a lot of creative projects, supporting your husband and all
44:43of his creative endeavors.
44:44What's a creative endeavor that you personally, um, do in your own time?
44:50It's a little hot.
44:51It's so, it's, um, it's so distracting.
44:54I can't, I take back every like laugh I did at John.
44:58I don't think that I have a creative endeavor, which is interesting being amongst creatives who, you know, music and
45:06film and cinematography and like who are just that product.
45:10Like, I don't have a creative bone in my body.
45:12It's like all about the energy of helping other people and like the, the micro creative moments of we need
45:20to black out that window.
45:22How do I do that?
45:22We need to, you know, corner off this little, like sort of problem solving in the moment.
45:27There's no like other big creative driver.
45:30You got to talk about the garden.
45:31That's not, that's not like a, it's not creative.
45:34It's the exact same thing as when I want to make a movie.
45:35You're like, I got to get out there.
45:36I want more time with it.
45:37I want to do this.
45:39It's the same thing.
45:41I'm going to take another bite.
45:44Yeah, because you know what happened?
45:46Like once it's worn off, like the intensity of the moment is gone and I no longer feel like the
45:50pressure.
45:50If you weren't involved in Red Cow, where do you think your life and your energy would be creatively?
45:58You know, my nature is that I would probably find something to whittle away with.
46:03You know, I was doing animations.
46:04I was doing, I was trying to find collaborators before Frankie.
46:10Obviously my last channel was a collaboration.
46:13And when I found Red Cow and I was doing like Box Mac, I was doing my videos on that.
46:18YouTube, I was like, this is, this is where I want to be.
46:21And so I think I'd probably be seeking another Frankie somewhere, a ghost Frankie somewhere.
46:27I'd be seeking them because I feel like I needed a yin to the yang.
46:32You know, I need, I like, I feed off of that feedback and the productivity.
46:39And since like Frankie is the most productive and the most creative and also temperamentally
46:46is similar, or at least one I can bounce off of well.
46:50I think that's why I've landed here.
46:52So yeah, I think I'd probably just start, I'd be doing failed creative projects until I found
46:58something that I can get in agreement with like that.
47:03My ears feel like wet on the inside.
47:07Like I get that like, it causes strange, yeah, strange things to happen.
47:12Yeah, there's, there's like the, the stomach, chest, mouth, it's all connected.
47:18So Frankie's sort of the, the captain of the ship.
47:22Do you think there's anything that Frankie does that you would do differently in, in how
47:27he organizes things and plans things?
47:29Well, first off, I am a very disorganized person.
47:33Um, so if I were to be alone in my own endeavors, I'd probably be way more, uh, chaotically creative
47:41and way more chaotically, um, oriented.
47:45Um, just because that's, you know, you don't even want to look at the contents of my hard drive.
47:50It's just miscellaneous.
47:52I can't even drum up the tea for this interview.
47:54I can't believe you were on there.
47:57I would never, I would never trash each other.
47:58I draw the line at that.
47:59EJ wins.
48:00Um, Nina, what's your favorite thing to grow in your garden?
48:04Like I like zucchini because it just grows and it, it usually provides a lot and then
48:11people are sick of zucchini, but I'm happy that I got a good yield.
48:14Same reason, potatoes.
48:16And then I feel like I could feed people in like a starvation situation.
48:20Like something about like my Polish roots.
48:22I'm like, I can do this.
48:23Yeah.
48:24And I take the, the zucchini, I make zucchini bread.
48:26You can make like zucchini spaghetti.
48:29Yeah, so good.
48:30I love it.
48:30I love it.
48:31No, that's a good answer.
48:32Okay, good.
48:33Gloria wants to do a plug.
48:34Go ahead, Gloria.
48:35You're on that, you're on that camera.
48:37Gloria got to participate in Boxes and Boiling and it was really fun for her.
48:42And she was thinking, wouldn't it be great to do a novelist, her own novelization of that story.
48:46Can I get milk?
48:47Look, I didn't know that there was still hot sauce on this Mac.
48:51Once in a village, in a pasta castle, was making mac and cheese.
48:57The most great, great Mac had turned into a very bad Mac.
49:01And that's where you come in, said the cheese whiz.
49:08Now that, at that table was, and then on the next page, I haven't finished like writing
49:15all the mainstream stuff.
49:16Next page, it says, as I am writing this, I should probably tell you who I am.
49:21And then that's what I've written so far.
49:23Good job.
49:24Well, we'll look forward to more.
49:25All right.
49:26Thank you, everybody.
49:27Good night.
49:29You're making Mac, but we're not really filming it.
49:31Mac.
49:31Is that strange?
49:32Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac.
49:35Hey, hey, hey, I see you're not subscribing and ringing that bell.
49:39Now, I don't want to sound like some cocky YouTuber, because I understand very much what
49:44it feels like to feel the pressure to subscribe, but I don't really subscribe anymore.
49:51And trust me, you don't need to subscribe.
49:54In fact, don't.
49:55I thought you were setting up a real good subscriber promo, and then she's kind of like...
50:01We're just going to wait around for a little bit so that this viewer can subscribe.
50:05Is he done yet?
50:07Done?
50:09Almost done?
50:10All right, we're going to just see.
50:12All right.
50:13All right, looks like you're done.
50:15We'll see you later.
50:16Also, this mac and cheese is great.
50:17Try it now, or the show's not going to go on.
50:20There's a lot of qualifications.
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