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00:17Welcome to the Kelly Clarkson Show.
00:20We are kicking things off with a Kelly Oki encore we loved doing a couple months ago.
00:24I love this song so much.
00:26Here's me and my band, y'all, with Sombra's I Wish I Knew How to Quit You.
00:32I won't call me at all till I'm stoned.
00:38I write a book with all the reasons I could call you my home.
00:43But I won't, cause you're unavailable.
00:51I want to save myself, I'm unwell.
00:56I'd rather take another bottle off the top of this stuff.
01:02We need help, cause it's no good for my health.
01:13I wish I knew how to quit you.
01:18You would never mind, but I was always you.
01:22I wish I knew how to quit you.
01:27But I'm addicted to you.
01:30I love you while I sleep, then I wake up alone.
01:40I live inside a house without it, it's not all.
02:08I wish I knew how to quit you.
02:13I wish I knew how to quit you.
02:15But I'm addicted to you while I move.
02:19I wish I knew how to quit you.
02:23But I'm addicted to you while I move.
02:31One more time, give it up for my band, y'all.
02:37All right, let's welcome our first guest.
02:40Over 20 years ago, America fell in love with them
02:43as the mother and father of the chaotic, quarrelsome,
02:45and all too relatable family in Malcolm in the Middle.
02:48They are now back in those roles for Malcolm in the Middle,
02:51Life's Still Unfair.
02:52All episodes are now streaming on Hulu.
02:55Everybody give it up for Jane Kaczmarek and Bryan Cranston.
03:25If you have any time you're out there.
03:33I'm telling you, any time you're, like,
03:36I'm a little tired today and they don't allow you to be,
03:38they've got so much energy.
03:39It's good, it's good.
03:40Is it cold in here?
03:41Is it cold too?
03:42Yes, it is.
03:43I have a...
03:43I cheat.
03:44I have a seat heater.
03:46I have to.
03:47Is that funny?
03:47Are you from Texas?
03:48I'm so cold in here.
03:50I can't do it.
03:51Welcome back and welcome to the show.
03:53Thank you, thank you.
03:54Yes.
03:54Well, y'all met initially on set, right?
03:57In the pilot?
03:58That's the first time that y'all met?
03:59Oh, yeah.
04:00They were looking for a very different physical type for Hal
04:03and couldn't find it.
04:05And then said, just bring in the normal-sized actors.
04:09What kind of weird-ass compliment is that?
04:13Oh, that's me, normal-sized.
04:16That's awesome.
04:17And the first scene was the beginning of the show,
04:19which is me shaving Lois, shaving his body.
04:22Awesome.
04:23And so Brian came on the set.
04:25We met him for the first time,
04:26and he was covered in yak hair.
04:29They glued yak hair all over his privacy pouch.
04:38Yes, okay.
04:41Congratulations, sir.
04:43Congratulations.
04:49Whatever you do, do not set out the rumors.
04:53I put that in.
04:53That was a big privacy pouch.
04:55I love it.
04:56Don't do that.
04:57It's such a dude thing to do, though.
04:59They come to the trailer, and you're like,
05:00I'm going to need a bigger one.
05:01I'm going to need a bigger one.
05:03Privacy pouch.
05:04No, but you did have a body double for that, too, though, right?
05:07Well, for the most part, it was me.
05:11Three hours of gluing the yak hair on my body by three or four makeup technicians,
05:18and they were gluing it.
05:19I couldn't sit down because it would mat the whole thing.
05:22So I had to stand, and I'm standing there with just that little privacy.
05:26I mean, I mean that huge privacy part.
05:30And I was standing there, and it came time to shave, to actually see the razor go up the
05:38back and take off the hair.
05:40But I'm not overly hairy.
05:42So they had to go find someone who had a lot of hair.
05:46On their back?
05:47On their back.
05:48Oh, my God.
05:48What is this conversation like?
05:50Are you hairy?
05:51Can I see?
05:52How did they find?
05:53Well, yes, kind of.
05:53There are a lot of Teamsters on the show, right?
05:56And they thought that might be a good place to start.
05:59Very burly men.
06:00Mainly men.
06:01Annie, you have hairy back.
06:02But I loved it because that clipper, you know, wouldn't go through the spirit gum.
06:07Oh.
06:08You know?
06:09So we needed real hair.
06:10Okay.
06:11And a real back.
06:12And we found them.
06:13Yeah.
06:14But they brought in a bunch of guys.
06:16They took their T-shirts off, you know, and it was just looking at their backs.
06:19Yeah.
06:20It was like, no, you gave them $100.
06:23And he went home that night with a ski slope down his back.
06:26Oh, my God.
06:28His back looked like shag carpeting.
06:29Okay.
06:30So how was it written, actually, to be a major character, which I didn't know?
06:33I found that out later.
06:35So how did you build out Hal, the character?
06:37How did you build it out?
06:38Well, Hal was it?
06:39You looked at me like, who said it was not supposed to be?
06:42No.
06:43He was, you know, the father of the family.
06:45But the character of Lois was so dynamic.
06:49Yeah.
06:50And Malcolm was at the center of it, you know.
06:53And so I only had, like, five lines in the entire first episode, the pilot episode.
06:59And I really didn't know where to go with it.
07:02And I thought of two things.
07:03First, I want to make the distinction between being disinterested.
07:09I can't play disinterested in the family.
07:11But I can be distracted.
07:13So I can be distracted and then all of a sudden, oh, what happened?
07:17You know, and I try to catch up to what's going on in the family.
07:20So that I found.
07:21But also, I was kind of stuck.
07:24And so I thought of this amazing actor playing that amazing character.
07:29And everything that she was, fearless, strong, loud.
07:36Hairy.
07:38You know, all these things that I went, oh, fearful, I wrote down on the side.
07:43Fearful.
07:44The opposite, yeah.
07:45Quiet, sensitive, vulnerable.
07:48All the things that she didn't appear to be.
07:50And I started, I go, oh, that's my character.
07:54That's how I created the character was I started thinking of the opposite of who Lois was.
07:59And we just complimented each other.
08:02That's brilliant.
08:03Yeah.
08:03And also such a lesson, I think, for people that are younger actors.
08:07Like, see more than just the five lines.
08:10Oh, boy.
08:10You know?
08:10Yeah.
08:11We were just in the dressing room because I remember those five lines.
08:14You were kind of...
08:15Lukewarm, too.
08:16I don't remember.
08:17No.
08:17There was somebody at the...
08:19We were at the kitchen table and, you know, something was erupting.
08:22Yeah.
08:22And one of the kids, or maybe me, even says, Hal, like weigh in on it.
08:27And you picked up a plastic pitcher and said, I make a pitcher of iced tea every morning
08:36and I come home and it's always empty.
08:39It's always...
08:40Yeah.
08:40And it's just...
08:40And that was it.
08:41That's his distraction.
08:43Yeah.
08:43Yeah.
08:43He fixates on the smallest thing.
08:46Not like the privacy pouch, which is huge.
08:48But he's fixated on the smallest things.
08:51It's enormous.
08:52Oh, my God.
08:52There's no segue there, Brian.
08:54We need to do a few commercials, some big ones.
08:56Let's have someone in the audience help us out.
08:59Hi, Kelly.
09:00I'm Athena.
09:01I'm a huge fan of Brian and Jane, but I'm an even bigger fan of Malcolm in the Middle,
09:05if that's possible.
09:07It makes sense.
09:08I'm the middle child of five kids.
09:11I understand Malcolm's struggle of vying to get his parents' attention.
09:15I watched the original show with my whole family growing up, and maybe with this reboot,
09:20my parents will watch just with me.
09:22Stay here.
09:23Kelly has more with Brian and Jane after this.
09:26She's been a fool of me.
09:36Now, for 39 years of anniversaries and birthdays and really every celebration, you do the most
09:43wonderful, romantic, amazing grand gestures.
09:46The fireworks display?
09:47Oh, yeah.
09:48Releasing those doves?
09:49That should have been done outside and away from the fam.
09:53And now this once, I want to be the one deciding how we celebrate
09:56and not have your plans just happen to me.
10:02We're back with James and Jack and Brian Fenton.
10:06That was a look at their revival series, Malcolm in the Middle, Life's Still Unfair.
10:10All episodes are now on Hulu. You've got to check it out.
10:13So is it true? I've heard you've been trying to do this for like 15 years.
10:17Yeah, it's been a while.
10:17I love that. You've been after, were you just hounding them?
10:21Like, why aren't we doing this?
10:22Well, I would, kind of, because I would, had questions myself,
10:25but I would run into fans all the time and they would ask,
10:28well, Lois and Hal were pregnant when the series ended.
10:30What did they have? A boy, a girl?
10:33I also love, these were fictional people.
10:36I know.
10:38What did you want them to have?
10:39They wanted to know. And then what happened to Malcolm?
10:43Did he become the president? And I went, I don't know.
10:45So I kept saying, I don't know, I don't know.
10:47And I took all those, I don't knows, to Linwood Boomer,
10:49our creator of the show.
10:51And I said, I think there's a material here.
10:54People want to know what happened.
10:56And at that time, it would be 10 years later after we said goodbye.
11:00And he said, absolutely not.
11:02I'm retired. I'm done.
11:03I couldn't think of another idea.
11:05It's over.
11:06Yeah.
11:07I went, okay.
11:08I had dinner with Frankie.
11:09Frankie, I said, I'd kind of like to do this.
11:11And he said, so would I.
11:12And he sent out a tweet to his followers.
11:15And he got millions of responses going, yeah, do it, do it.
11:19Yeah.
11:19So I took that to Linwood.
11:20I said, look, there's a lot of people.
11:22The demand.
11:22And this time he said, I don't think so.
11:25I don't know that I would have an idea.
11:28I don't, I really don't see it happening.
11:31But I took that as progress because the first time, absolutely not.
11:35Yeah.
11:35No.
11:35You're wearing him down.
11:36Now it's, I don't know.
11:38And so I knew there was, there was a fissure in his eye.
11:41I cracked a hole and I just kept wedging through there to get him to break.
11:46And then three years ago, he said, I think I have it.
11:48That's so cool.
11:50I love that something was so special too, not only for pop culture, like it impacted so many people,
11:54but y'all as a team, like everybody was excited.
11:57Kelly, don't kid yourself.
11:57He was so tired of killing people on all those other shows he was doing.
12:05You know?
12:06Yeah, you've got to play.
12:08You've got to play.
12:09I've killed too many.
12:10Yeah.
12:11Lighten it up.
12:12He wanted to come back to be sweet, doofy Hal.
12:14Yeah.
12:14Yeah.
12:15Is that how you see him?
12:16Is it?
12:17With a huge privacy power.
12:20So massive.
12:21No, so talk about the concept of the revival though, because you're getting to answer all these
12:25questions that you've been asked, right?
12:27Yes.
12:28Yes.
12:28So what's going on with the revival?
12:29What's happening?
12:30Oh, well, it's going to be our 40th anniversary and all the kids from wherever they live are
12:35going to come and we're all going to celebrate and we have all the guest stars who are on
12:39the show coming back.
12:40But there is a problem.
12:42Malcolm.
12:43Malcolm doesn't want to come back to the family.
12:46He feels as though the reason his life is now successful is that he has maneuvered, created
12:51a whole life that he doesn't have to see his parents.
12:55Yeah.
12:55Yeah.
12:56But he comes around.
12:58Yeah.
12:58Kind of, you know, but it's a lot of fun.
13:01We have some really crazy surprises.
13:05And it was so much fun to see everybody, our little family that we were together for seven
13:11years on the air and a year before that to do the pilot.
13:14Yeah.
13:14And now we get to recreate these roles 20 years after we said goodbye.
13:19Do you step into that timing?
13:21Well, and we had the same writer, you know, the same writers were the same, the director
13:23was the same, the producer, you know.
13:25So it was the same people who had created it for us in the first place.
13:29Yeah.
13:30Handed it to us.
13:30So as far as wondering whether you walked right back into it, it was a wonderful.
13:36It was surprising.
13:37That's cool.
13:38That every character really already knew what to do.
13:42Even after 20 years, we just kind of slid in like comfortable slippers.
13:46That's beautiful.
13:47But Eric was the one child actor that didn't come back, right?
13:51Right.
13:51Yeah.
13:52He was too busy.
13:53Was it Harvard?
13:54Yes.
13:56I called him and I said, hey, great news.
13:58We're doing the reboot of Malcolm in the Middle.
14:01And he goes, oh, that's fantastic.
14:03And I said, oh, good.
14:05You're excited to do it.
14:06Oh, no, no, no.
14:08No, no.
14:09No, I've left that world when I was a kid.
14:12And it's just not for me.
14:14Yeah.
14:14I have.
14:15We've talked about our admiration for this kid.
14:18I mean, as fictional parents, we did a good job reading.
14:21Fictional parents.
14:23We have a deep fictional love for these kids.
14:25We really do.
14:26No, I hear it's not fictional.
14:27He knows who he is.
14:29Yeah.
14:30He knows who he is.
14:31He knows what he loves doing now.
14:33He's studying Victorian literature.
14:34Loves Charles Dickens.
14:35Yeah.
14:35And he's happy.
14:37Yeah, for sure.
14:38And they offered him buckets of cash to do this.
14:42Yeah.
14:43Oh, I'm happy.
14:43That's what he loves.
14:44Yeah.
14:44He's doing what I love.
14:45And I just, in this day and age, I really am in awe.
14:48I respect him for being somebody who just knows what it is, what the source of his happiness
14:52is.
14:53Yeah, get one life.
14:54Do what you want.
14:54They offered him buckets of cash.
14:56They only offered me one bucket of cash.
14:59That's because they knew you were hungry.
15:01I was like, it's like, they're like, he wants it.
15:04He's been trying to get it for 15 years.
15:07All right, we need another break.
15:10Malcolm in the Middle, Life's Still Unfair is available on Hulu.
15:14We've got more with Jane and Brian after this.
15:27All right, welcome back.
15:29We've got Jane Kilcnerick and Brian Cranston here.
15:32You can check out their revival series, Malcolm in the Middle, Life's Still Unfair,
15:35on Hulu.
15:36The nice thing about revisiting a show like Malcolm is you get to go back and look at
15:40photos of all the good times you had in the past, which is what we're going to do right
15:44now.
15:44This is Malcolm in the Middle, Photo Dump.
15:47Malcolm in the Middle, Photo Dump.
15:50Malcolm in the Middle.
15:52Photo Dump.
15:54I love the angst.
15:55Oh, I thought it was super fun.
15:55All right, Jane and Brian have brought in some never-before-posted photos from their first
16:01run on Malcolm 20 years ago.
16:03So let's check.
16:03I'm excited.
16:04Here's the first photo.
16:06What?
16:06Oh.
16:08Ah.
16:08What?
16:09What are you doing?
16:10We're singing.
16:12We did an opera episode.
16:14Yeah.
16:15Because we got a new mattress.
16:18Lois wanted a great big mattress.
16:19And Hal thought it was because she didn't want his affection.
16:24And Dewey, Eric, would hear us bickering about this new mattress and was so worried and he
16:30wrote an opera about what was happening.
16:33Yeah.
16:34And what was really happening was Lois had some gas at night when she was sleeping.
16:45So she wanted to get a new mattress.
16:47As one does.
16:48As one does.
16:49And it wasn't.
16:50But the result of that was Dewey writing an entire opera that we then performed.
16:57Yeah.
16:57You look incredible.
16:59Look at us.
17:00Yes.
17:00Next photo.
17:01Here we go.
17:02Oh.
17:04This was an episode called Bots and Bees.
17:07No.
17:07The boys, the Krellboins, the smart boys that Malcolm was in this class, they were trying
17:12to figure out how to build a robot.
17:14You know those robot shows that were, they would fight each other.
17:17And Hal got very interested in it when the boys lost interest.
17:21So he completed the project to have a cavity full of bees, like a hive in there.
17:27And the bees would come out.
17:29And Malcolm says to me, but it's attacking another robot.
17:32And I go, no, it's attacking whoever's operating the robot.
17:36You know, so he, I get maniacal and the bees actually attack me.
17:41So there I am wearing like 60,000 honeybees.
17:45How much should they weigh?
17:46Oh God, I don't know.
17:47But 25 pounds or something like that.
17:50Wait, none of them were like real, right?
17:51Oh, they're all real.
17:52Oh, they're all real.
17:53Oh, they're all, oh my God.
17:54Oh yeah.
17:54And the bee wrangler.
17:57Oh my God.
17:58You didn't freak out?
18:00No, no.
18:00You don't want to do that.
18:01I, well, I would.
18:03That would not be well.
18:04Did they go in, you know, I don't know.
18:06No, you see why, you see they're not on my face?
18:09Well, everywhere they're not on my face is where a makeup person put an insect repellent.
18:17Right?
18:17Just the whole thing, put it all on my face wherever we wanted the bees not to go.
18:22And so you could see them coming right up to that point and stopping.
18:26But the bees were about three and a half or so inches thick on me.
18:31And I remember you saying that it was the humming.
18:35The humming and the movement.
18:37The energy from the frequency.
18:38Do you remember those, those massage chairs like at Brookstone or whatever?
18:43Yeah.
18:44Yeah.
18:44Yeah.
18:44It felt like that.
18:46Like, and they're constantly moving and it was warm.
18:51And it was actually very zen-like.
18:53I was standing there going.
18:56We are just so different.
18:58Now, the guy said, okay, now listen, if you get stung, let me know.
19:03And I can, you know, flick out the stinger right away so that the amount of venom that
19:10gets into you is not so bad.
19:11This is a horrible conversation.
19:14The amount.
19:15Okay.
19:15So two things I learned.
19:17First, the biggest thing about getting stung by a bee is not the pain.
19:23It is the surprise.
19:25So you're wearing bees.
19:28It shouldn't be much of a surprise if you get stung.
19:32So all of a sudden I went, because I had to turn around in the scene, and I went, oh,
19:38oh, yeah, I think, I think I got stung.
19:41It was really just that.
19:42It was just felt like a little prick.
19:44And I went, well, yeah, I think I got stung.
19:47And the bee guy goes, where?
19:49Ready to go to flick it out.
19:50And I go, in my scrotum?
19:54No.
19:55They got down there?
19:57They got in?
19:58Yeah.
19:58No.
19:59And he said, he said to me.
20:01No.
20:01You're on your own.
20:04I'm not going there.
20:05No.
20:06So I got, yeah, I got, well, see, because.
20:08I am sweating from just looking at that picture.
20:11Oh, yeah.
20:12So I had to put, like, cotton in my ears so they wouldn't go into my brain.
20:16And you're probably, what the hell?
20:19And then, no, I didn't have to worry about the nose because they put the insect repellent.
20:23But I had to tape down my shirt so they wouldn't crawl inside.
20:27You should have taped down your underwear better.
20:29Well, you could see from that picture that they stopped about there because how they wanted
20:35to get on me was he had a vial of their queen's pheromones.
20:40And he would take an eyedropper and would drop all this pheromones all over my body and my head
20:47and everything like that.
20:49And then he'd scoop the bees out of the hive and lay them on me.
20:53And they would just all, you know.
20:54That's just a hard no.
20:56And you obviously knew you weren't allergic.
20:58There wasn't, like, a trial by error.
21:01No, because I know a lot of people that are allergic to bees.
21:04Oh, yeah.
21:05Would not be good.
21:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:07Oh, my God.
21:07I just, that was a stupid thing to say, but I'm so nervous right now.
21:10And I know it's already happened.
21:11But this is the dumbest thing.
21:12I would never do that.
21:13I would never do that.
21:15There's not enough money in all the land.
21:17I was just the opposite.
21:18Anytime I had to get wet, you know, there was one episode where I was yelling at the property
21:24line about a neighbor and she turns the sprinklers on me.
21:26And I was like, could I have that stunt woman come in?
21:30Oh.
21:30No.
21:31I don't want to get wet.
21:32No, ma'am.
21:33You can't complain about water?
21:35I was like, what?
21:36Oh, my gosh.
21:38That's crazy.
21:40I never saw that.
21:41Jane's philosophy was, if you can't do a scene sitting down, then why not lying down?
21:47Why do we have to stand?
21:49I think we can cover it from here.
21:52Okay, here's the last photo.
21:54The B one is still going to haunt my nightmares.
21:58Well, look, it was just a grabbing of the butt.
22:00I like it.
22:01Well, Hal, you built a tiki lounge for me in the garage.
22:07Oh, right.
22:08I think Lois was working a lot and was frazzled or something and his enduring love for his
22:14wife.
22:14We had the most wonderful marriage on that show.
22:17I'm telling him.
22:19That was a tiki lounge he built for Lois.
22:21I was hoping this wasn't a moment you were shooting.
22:24Y'all were just, like, comfortable, you know?
22:25I know.
22:26That was just waiting to start the scene.
22:27You were, like, just chilling out.
22:29It was like, oh, my God.
22:31That was photo dump.
22:32I'm still sweating.
22:33You were a warrior for that B thing, man.
22:35Oh, well.
22:36I can't even.
22:37That was photo dump, the kind of high-class programming you've come to expect here on
22:42The Kelly Clarkson Show.
22:44Once more, y'all, give it up for Jane Kazmieric and Brian Sandstrom.
22:49Check out Nothing in the Middle, Life's Still Unfair.
22:51All episodes are out now on who at the store we will hear next.
23:06Welcome back, y'all.
23:08Our next guest is a very talented young actress who starred in A Wrinkle in Time, as well
23:12as shows like Euphoria.
23:14She even won an Emmy for her guest role on The Last of Us a few years back.
23:18She's got a new movie out now.
23:19It's called Roommates.
23:20It premieres this Friday, only on Netflix.
23:22In your life, I don't know what the hell is going on.
23:29August!
23:30August, what are you doing?
23:33You psycho!
23:34Wake up, Luna.
23:35You can't call people psycho anymore.
23:37Oh, well, you're literally throwing my out of the window.
23:41That is textbook definition of psycho.
23:43You took a video of me while I was sleeping.
23:45To show you how loud you snore, you legit have sleep.
23:49Nathia!
24:12You look like you just came from vacation or something.
24:17I wish, I wish.
24:18Okay, I'm like, you look, you look, you're like glowing.
24:21I'm trying to manifest the springtime vibes.
24:23Yeah, you look very rock and roll, which is a good segue because I had to start with
24:27this.
24:27I heard you've been in the studio, like, making music.
24:29A little bit.
24:30Okay.
24:30A little bit, yes.
24:31What are the vibes?
24:32What's the vibe?
24:32It's like R&B vibes.
24:34Okay.
24:34I'm trying to find my sound right now, but I've loved music for my whole life.
24:38So to be able to, like...
24:39What got you?
24:40What got you?
24:40Like, in the studio the first time?
24:41What was like, I'm going to go in and just do it?
24:43It's so funny.
24:44So it was like three in the morning.
24:45It was probably my sophomore year of college, and we didn't have anything to do.
24:51So we were like, let's just go to the studio and make a silly song.
24:54I did that with my friends, and when I was in the studio, I grew up in the studio a
24:59little
24:59bit with my mom because she did some music stuff, like, behind the scenes.
25:03But I was like, oh my gosh, like, I really enjoy doing this.
25:06So I would go here and there, make little songs, and then I sat myself down, and I was
25:11like, I think this is something that you can really do if you put your mind to it.
25:14And it's really about, like, not asking for permission and just doing what you want to
25:19do.
25:20So I'm excited.
25:21Yes.
25:22If it makes you feel good, why not?
25:23Exactly.
25:24Yeah, absolutely.
25:25I'm excited to hear what's going to come.
25:27Oh my goodness, that's going to make me nervous.
25:29Oh no.
25:30No.
25:30You listening to my stuff?
25:31I love it.
25:31I love R&B, too.
25:32Okay.
25:33I love, too.
25:34I feel like R&B is almost coming back a little bit to how it was whenever I was young,
25:37because
25:37I'm that old.
25:39You're not.
25:39Coming back around.
25:41So what drew you to roommates?
25:43Oh my goodness, I'm such a big Adam Sandler fan.
25:45Yeah, who isn't?
25:46Right.
25:46He is a legend, and I grew up watching his movies.
25:49So, of course, when they sent the script over, I was like, oh, I don't even really need to
25:53read it.
25:54But then I read it, and I graduated in May from USC.
25:57So I think it's just such a relatable story about friendship and about, you know, how to
26:02be a good friend, how not to be a good friend.
26:05Yeah.
26:07And it's a really good story, and some great people are part of it.
26:11So I've got it.
26:11You just said you graduated, right?
26:12I did.
26:13Well, congrats on that.
26:14But you were homeschooled.
26:17I'm sorry?
26:18You were homeschooled, right?
26:19Yeah.
26:19Because you were acting and everything.
26:20But what was that transition like?
26:22Being homeschooled, and all of a sudden, you're at USC?
26:24No.
26:24Yeah.
26:25It sounds scarier than it was.
26:27It sounds overwhelming.
26:29Yeah.
26:30It was a little overwhelming.
26:31But I was very excited to, you know, be in the school setting.
26:35I was a fish out of water, but in the best way possible, and I had the best time.
26:39What were your roommates like?
26:41Was that a...
26:41I have friends.
26:42I didn't go to college.
26:43I auditioned for a talent show.
26:45But I have friends that did, and I have heard horror, you know, just experiences, and
26:51then really great ones.
26:52Yes.
26:52You have...
26:53Thankfully, I was on the side of having a really great roommate.
26:56Okay.
26:56My freshman year, I had a roommate.
26:57She was fabulous.
26:58We had so much fun.
26:59And I think we were just, like, you know, getting used to not being at home and living
27:03with our parents and our families.
27:05And then sophomore year, I moved in with my best friend, who I just love dearly.
27:09So we had no problems, no issues, other than...
27:12We had one issue, but we didn't really speak about it, which is funny, because, like, we
27:17love each other so much.
27:18But she likes the house, the room, really hot.
27:22And I am not.
27:23And especially when I'm sleeping, I cannot sleep in hot weather.
27:28Not hot weather.
27:28But, like, the thermostat was just too hot.
27:30So we would go back and forth changing the thermostat.
27:33And not say anything.
27:34And never say anything about it until we moved out.
27:37And she's, like, my sister.
27:39So we laugh about it now.
27:40But that was the one issue that I had.
27:42Oh, man, I moved my first...
27:44Well, not my first, but one of them, though.
27:46It was right after high school.
27:47I moved it into the department.
27:48She...
27:49People...
27:51They leave food.
27:53Everywhere.
27:53Everywhere.
27:54And I'm like, that's got milk in this situation.
27:57Like, so what happens is that sours.
28:00Like, it becomes a science experiment.
28:02Yeah.
28:02Yeah.
28:02I did not enjoy that.
28:04I bet you didn't.
28:05I wouldn't either.
28:06Yeah.
28:06People can be gross and nasty.
28:09Let's take a quick break for commercials.
28:10You can catch Roommate starting this Friday on Netflix, y'all.
28:14We're going to be right back with a teacher reviving cursive for this next generation.
28:17Stay here.
28:27Welcome back, everybody.
28:29Way back in the day, cursive was kind of the norm.
28:31Most of us learned it anyway.
28:33In recent years, it's fallen off school curriculums.
28:35Kids have no clue what it is when they look at it.
28:38One Virginia teacher is bringing the art of cursive back for her students, and the kids
28:42are going crazy for it.
28:43In fact, her efforts are so popular, they've been featured across national news, everywhere
28:48from NPR to The Washington Post.
28:50Clearly, this teacher is best in class.
28:57I like that one.
28:59Let's welcome the founder of the Cursive Club, Sharice, everybody.
29:04Welcome to the show.
29:05Thank you for having me.
29:06How did you end up with the Cursive Club?
29:09How did that happen?
29:09Well, I've been teaching for 18 years.
29:11The last four years, I've been at Holmes Middle School.
29:14When I went there, I became a multilingual learner specialist.
29:17So I actually helped those students who don't speak English as their first language, I helped
29:21them to develop their English language.
29:24I decided to join the summer school program because I don't usually work summer school.
29:28I typically take summers off, but they figured I would go learn about the culture, get in
29:33touch with the staff, learn about the students.
29:35And as I was doing that, I was writing on the board in cursive.
29:38But when I turned around to get some clarification, the students were looking at me like I was
29:41strange.
29:42And I was like, what's going on?
29:43They're like, what did you just do?
29:45I said, I wrote the assignment on the board.
29:46We can't read that.
29:47And I was just blown away.
29:48Yeah.
29:49These are rising sixth graders.
29:50And they did not understand my cursive writing.
29:52So I said, you know what?
29:53We should have a cursive club.
29:54And that's when I found out that we did have an after school program.
29:58And just like the movie Field of Dreams, if you sponsor it, they'll come.
30:01Yeah.
30:01I became a teacher.
30:02And we had three or four students almost every single semester.
30:05And that's how we started the cursive club.
30:07Yeah.
30:07I was telling her in the break, my daughter is obsessed with writing in cursive.
30:11And she is dyslexic.
30:13And so I know that that has kind of a tie-in as well, right?
30:16Yes, it does.
30:17She is obsessed with it.
30:17And her penmanship is insane.
30:19Yes.
30:20Cursive has many benefits.
30:21But one of them is for those who are challenged with dyslexia, it can be a friend to them.
30:24And the reason being because in the alphabet, you think about the letters B, D, P, G.
30:31They sound alike, but they also look alike to someone who is challenged with dyslexia.
30:35Yeah.
30:35They have a circle and a line.
30:37Yeah.
30:37That's right.
30:37So in cursive, those letters look absolutely different.
30:40And that's what helps them to be able to understand it when they're reading and to also write them better.
30:44I know.
30:44I didn't know that.
30:45And I found it very interesting.
30:46I was like, oh, I thought they weren't teaching cursive anymore.
30:48And they do it at her school.
30:50Yeah.
30:50A lot of schools that I've been at, they have kind of fallen out of that.
30:54I've taught, I'm actually licensed in Texas, North Carolina, and Virginia, past military family.
30:58Yeah.
30:59And they did kind of take it out of the curriculum, I think because of the technology boom.
31:03But I still write in cursive because I learned when I was in the third grade, it made me feel
31:07fancy, like an adult.
31:08Yeah.
31:09So I truly enjoy it.
31:10But it has lots of other benefits.
31:11Your brain's on a 10 when it's writing in cursive, a 5 when you're in print, and a 0 or
31:161 when you're texting or typing.
31:18So that by itself, the benefits you have that are similar to playing an instrument,
31:22you also have those same benefits when you're writing in cursive.
31:25Yeah.
31:25So there's lots of benefits for writing in cursive.
31:27I enjoy it.
31:28My students who come to the cursive club, they enjoy it.
31:30And it seems like America thinks it's all the rave right now.
31:33Man.
31:33And it's a beautiful thing, too.
31:34My daughter loves, she just will write stories or letters for people because she just loves doing it.
31:39And I think especially when kids that have had a hard time in school find something that they're like, you
31:43know, emboldens and makes them more confident.
31:45Right.
31:46It's such a beautiful thing.
31:47But our friends at Minted are all about bringing back small gestures like a note, handwritten in cursive, a meaningful
31:53form of connection that sparks joy for everybody.
31:55So to help the cursive club keep its efforts going, they're donating $5,000 just to help out.
32:00Oh, my gosh.
32:01Yeah.
32:02It's so cool what you're doing.
32:04Whoa.
32:04And it's so cool to find out how your brain is stimulated far more when you're writing in cursive.
32:10I didn't know that little fact.
32:12That's very cool.
32:12According to research.
32:13Yeah.
32:13Well, thank you so much for your service.
32:16And yeah, and for the people.
32:18We're in the kitchen with Danielle Card is next.
32:21Stay right here.
32:25We're in the kitchen with Danielle Card is next.
32:32Welcome back, everybody.
32:33Few people make cooking more simple and fun than our next guest.
32:37She is the author of the Rustic Joyful Food series, A Mom of Two, and A Friend of Our Show.
32:41Her latest cookbook is called My Very First Baking Book.
32:44Let's welcome back home chef Danielle Card is.
32:48Thank you so much.
32:50A new book.
32:51Yes.
32:52Congratulations.
32:53You know, this is really special.
32:55I was thinking about it in my little hotel room this morning.
32:57I have launched every project, every book, every cool thing on your show in the last seven years.
33:02Like, this is really special.
33:03I know.
33:03I love you.
33:04So how fitting that we're doing my very first baking book.
33:07I like it.
33:07Follow up to my very first cookbook.
33:11And this, my little friend, today we're making a strawberry lemonade tiramisu as I just get into it.
33:15My mouth is watering.
33:16It's so good.
33:17And we want to make it easy for kids.
33:19Like, get your kids in the kitchen.
33:20And I'm just dumping this in.
33:21We're just going to pretend for the magic of television that we're incorporating that
33:24in slowly.
33:24Okay.
33:25But don't worry about that.
33:26I don't want you to splash yourself.
33:28So what I'm going to do is incorporate it in slowly.
33:30I know.
33:30I was going to, you don't want me to use this?
33:32I do want you to use this.
33:33I was like, it's plugged in.
33:33I put it all in there.
33:34So wait a second.
33:36There we go.
33:36We're going to go slow.
33:38And now, there.
33:39So we protect you.
33:40Well, you do have an apron on.
33:41Okay, go for it.
33:42Yeah, we're good.
33:42Okay.
33:43So the cool part about this recipe is that we've got the little lady fingers.
33:46We're going to go ahead and add some vanilla.
33:48Yeah.
33:49Add our little pinch of salt.
33:50Because you've got to salt your desserts, you guys.
33:52You have to salt your desserts.
33:53Salty and sweet.
33:54Salty and sweet.
33:55And what we went ahead and put in here, because I just got excited, like, you all know what I'm
33:58doing anyways.
33:58You don't.
34:00We put lemonade concentrate.
34:01Who remembers, like, old school lemonade concentrate?
34:03Yeah.
34:03It's delicious.
34:04It's whipped cream, cream cheese, and it makes the perfect layer.
34:07And then the soap, you know when you're normally using your lady fingers to dip in some coffee?
34:12Yeah.
34:12What we're doing is we're doing the frozen strawberries, a little bit more of this lemonade concentrate,
34:17which is so delicious.
34:19Strawberry.
34:19Me too.
34:20This is basically strawberry lemonade.
34:22Fine.
34:22I'm so creative.
34:24Yeah.
34:25And I don't want this to go on me.
34:26That's what's effective.
34:27Yeah.
34:27There we go.
34:28Okay.
34:29We move this little guy along.
34:31Okay.
34:31Okay.
34:32This little guy is going to go over here in our bowl.
34:35And this is the cool part about this.
34:36Like, even just now, I kind of misspoke.
34:38I'm like, oh, what do we do next?
34:39That's the part that you want to get your kids into.
34:41Like, cooking shouldn't be intimidating.
34:43It should just be, like, this second nature thing.
34:45Like, make your kids do it, and they'll love it.
34:47They get their little fingers in it.
34:48Okay.
34:49So, over here, the bottom layer is going to be our soaked little lady finger.
34:53And you want to count one.
34:54Flip them over two.
34:56Get in here.
34:57Oh, it's tougher than I thought.
34:58Yeah.
34:58It's like a little crispy cookie.
35:00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:00Isn't that cool?
35:00Like a little biscuit.
35:01Yes.
35:02And in the book, there's all kinds of swaps.
35:04Like, what if you're missing this?
35:05Concentrate.
35:06Or what if you're missing this?
35:07Like, use different fruit.
35:08So, now goes your cream.
35:10Oh, my God.
35:10This is so delicious.
35:12Here, I'm going to have a little taste.
35:13I know you probably shouldn't be tasting yet, but girl, go for it.
35:15Yeah, get in there.
35:17Just to make sure it's good.
35:17Taste it.
35:19It's so good.
35:20And I'm pretty generous with the cream, so you want to go half down this way.
35:23I need to check again.
35:24Right?
35:25Check them again.
35:27Oh, my God.
35:28Isn't that so good?
35:28Yes.
35:29And then we have our little strawberries to go over the top of that guy.
35:35Look how cute.
35:38I love it.
35:39Oh, my God.
35:39It smells so good.
35:40It's so simple.
35:41And this is, like, perfect for, like, barbecue season, all kinds of good stuff.
35:45The next thing we would do is another layer of cookies, another layer of cream, and then
35:48we're done.
35:48Okay.
35:49And then now we have our little finish guy.
35:51TV magic.
35:52It's perfect.
35:53Here.
35:54And I don't eat some more.
35:55It doesn't have to be perfect.
35:56You just get right in here.
35:57And then if you can see the little layers.
36:00Look at that cute little dish.
36:01Isn't he cute?
36:02Yes.
36:03Okay.
36:03And then here.
36:04I won't feed you, but we know each other well enough.
36:07Fine.
36:07You know what?
36:07Okay.
36:08Here.
36:08I love it.
36:09I didn't even say use teeth.
36:10With my kids or husband, I'd be like, teeth.
36:14Isn't that so good?
36:16It's so simple.
36:17I love you, too.
36:19Thank you for everything.
36:22Yeah.
36:23Which is what people like me need.
36:24I know.
36:25Oh, my God.
36:25We overcomplicate everything with, like, honeybee tears, and you have to, you know, have it from
36:29a far-off land.
36:30Honeybee tears.
36:30We don't.
36:31You don't need that kind of stuff.
36:33No.
36:33This was awesome.
36:34Yes.
36:34That tastes delicious.
36:36Isn't that fabulous?
36:36I love this job.
36:37Thank you so much, Danielle.
36:38We've loved you.
36:40Thank you for the time you've been here.
36:41Your food is amazing.
36:42Your desserts are even better.
36:43I love them.
36:43They're good.
36:44Danielle's new book is called My Very First Baking Book.
36:47And everyone in the studio audience is going home with a copy.
36:52I'm so sorry.
36:52We got you a copy.
36:54Oh, my God.
36:55I don't want to take that off.
36:55We'll be right back, y'all, with what I'm liking.
37:07All right, y'all, we've got one more great story to share that we found online.
37:11This is what I'm liking.
37:15So parents want their kids to know they're always thinking of them.
37:18And that's why I love this story about a mama who started a business all about helping parents
37:23connect more with their kiddos.
37:25And it's beautifully done.
37:26It's called Lilu et Violeta.
37:28She creates beautiful handmade watercolor note cards that moms and dads can slip into their
37:33kids' lunch boxes, backpacks, or under their pillows.
37:36It's super sweet.
37:36And honestly, artistically, it's so beautiful as well.
37:39We have her on the line right now to tell us more.
37:41Everybody say hello to Jana watching on NBC New York.
37:44What's up, Jana?
37:47Hi.
37:48I fell in love with these the first time I saw them.
37:52But I did find out this.
37:53You didn't set out to make a business when you did this, right?
37:57No, not at all.
37:58I started making these little sketches for my kids when they were in preschool.
38:02I have seven-year-old twins.
38:04And so throughout the year, I've gotten better and better.
38:07And then I upped my game to watercolor.
38:10And one day, my daughter came home and she said,
38:11Mom, I'm going to really need you to come to, like, give me more and more lunch notes
38:16because the kids at school want to take them home.
38:18So I started sketching them at night, the night before.
38:20And then I started printing them on nice paper.
38:23And then the parents started calling me and saying,
38:25Oh, we have your lunch notes on our fridge.
38:27And we love them.
38:28And they make us happy.
38:29And so that's, it really grew from there.
38:32I mean, seven-year-old twins.
38:34And you've got a side hustle business doing all this.
38:37That's, you're making us all look bad.
38:39So tell us about the different cards, though.
38:41They're so sweet with different messages.
38:43Yes.
38:44So if you, my daughters are very involved in the business.
38:49Everything's hand-drawn and painted.
38:50But then I show them, one of them loves everything.
38:53She's like, this is great.
38:54I love it.
38:54The other one has notes on notes.
38:56She loves to give me notes.
38:58But she also has great ideas.
39:00And so we have these little lunch notes.
39:02And she came home the other day and said that she had a rough day at school.
39:06So we created a rough days packet.
39:09And if you see that, there's the dinosaur down there.
39:12That was her idea.
39:13She said, I had a bad day.
39:14So I want to make a note that says, look on the positive side, not the negative side.
39:18And I want to use a battery.
39:19And I want to show the plus side up.
39:21We just love doing them.
39:23They're so fun.
39:24They're so beautiful.
39:26I mean, there's like a children's book series in here somewhere, too.
39:30I'm just saying.
39:32It's just beautifully done.
39:33And it's so sweet.
39:34And it does mean something.
39:36I know one of my kids is more blasé about stuff like that.
39:39But one of them is just like, feels so special.
39:42And it makes her day.
39:43So it's a, well, I said her.
39:45So you know which one it is.
39:47So, but it's just really, really beautiful.
39:49But people can also, the thing I love about it is like on the back, they can write their own
39:53little notes, too.
39:54That's what I like about it, too.
39:55Yes, because we're all so busy.
39:57So I hope that I've done some of the work so that parents can write their own messages
40:01and give it to their children.
40:03Yeah.
40:04Thank you so much, Jana.
40:05This is a beautiful thing you're doing.
40:06I'm liking your post right now, but that's not all.
40:09Our season-long partner, Pilot Pen, makers of Friction, the go-to erasable pen of the Kelly
40:12Clarkson Show, want to celebrate your love of handwritten notes.
40:16So they're going to give you $1,000 just for being rad.
40:22Thank you so much, Jana.
40:24They're beautiful.
40:25Thank you to all our guests this hour.
40:27Brian Franson, Jane Cosmex, Thorne Reed, Therese, and Daniel Titus.
40:32Y'all have a great game of the Clarkson Show.
40:33We'll be back at some of the Clarkson Show.
40:51All right.
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