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00:00Welcome, Acorns.
00:02We are a half hour away from episode three of season six of The Curse of Oak Island,
00:08and already we're on an amazing journey in this season.
00:12You know, I have the luckiest job in the world, not just because I get to play on Oak Island,
00:16but because I get access to these guys, Rick and Marty Lagina,
00:20and you guys have allowed us to pregame with you before these episodes,
00:23and I just appreciate it so much.
00:25You're welcome, Matty. It's always fun.
00:27It is always fun.
00:28It's our pleasure.
00:29Well, let's get right into it.
00:48Tonight's episode, what can we expect?
00:50We already know from last week that this brooch is very special.
00:57You guys took it to Calgary last week and had it tested.
01:02Let's just see here.
01:06There we go.
01:08I think we're pretty sure this is glass.
01:13I see. That's maybe bad news, though.
01:17Help me understand the significance of this glass.
01:20You know, it was the classic roller coaster, right?
01:22We wanted it to be a ruby, didn't we?
01:24Right.
01:24Yeah, but after we got to talking with the expert, if it is as old as it maybe looks like
01:31it is,
01:32then a highly leaded glass might actually have been more valuable in the day than an actual gemstone.
01:38What about the red color? Is there anything to make from that?
01:41Well, in the color red, the formulas for making red glass had been lost and found and lost and found
01:49again several times through history.
01:51Lost how?
01:51How would you lose such a thing?
01:53Uh, well, glass people were extremely secretive.
01:59Even to the hardened skeptic that I sometimes appear to be, I would say that that brooch is a piece
02:05of real treasure.
02:07How can you argue it?
02:08Yeah, it's funny.
02:08And watching the episode when they mentioned glass the first time, I was like, ugh.
02:14Yeah, me too.
02:14Right?
02:15We all, in that moment, we were disappointed.
02:18And then the revelation.
02:20The education begins.
02:22Let's look at the setting itself.
02:23And so if you look at this cord or wire, you can see that there's a spiral nature to it.
02:31You can see that there are these diagonal lines on here.
02:34Here, help me.
02:35This is not your ordinary old brooch found in the ground.
02:40That is a super ancient way of making wire.
02:45That wire is highly unusual.
02:49How old?
02:50I mean...
02:501340 is droplets.
02:52So prior to then, the only wires you've got are made in some manner like this.
02:57Potentially older than 1330.
02:59Yeah.
03:01And Rick, 14th century, you hear dates like that.
03:05Look, you're always trying to connect the puzzle pieces, right?
03:07Well, the most significant puzzle piece we have is the cross, of course.
03:11Well, we know a little bit of something about that.
03:14So you're trying to connect that timeline with possibly the cross.
03:19It's all about corroborative evidence, if you will.
03:22So when you hear that timeline, possibly 13th, 14th century, that's an eye-opener.
03:29Well, here's the thing, too.
03:30Let's face it, that as far as I can see, the two pieces now of demonstrable treasure, which at least
03:38are pretty well documented, all came from Lot 21 so far.
03:42Because there was a gold chain found in the McGinnis Foundation, pretty well documented.
03:47We don't have it.
03:48It was taken away, and I won't get into the details, but that was found in the McGinnis Foundation.
03:54This was on Lot 21.
03:56I mean, this fellow, this McGinnis name, he's a key player in this whole story.
04:01And what if there was some partial treasure discovered?
04:04I mean, discovered to the point where they had so much, they were willing to let certain of it go
04:09flying out into the yard.
04:10I mean, you know, so you have two pieces of treasure found on that lot.
04:14I'll tell you what, something that occurred to me, honestly, just very recently, because I hadn't seen it before, this
04:18whole business about the brooch being found there and the chain being found there.
04:22We found an old picture of the McGinnis house, and in my mind's eye, it would have been like a
04:27ramshackle log cabin.
04:28Oh, no, no, it's a beautiful house, and that's kind of an eyebrow raiser, too.
04:34Why is that?
04:35I had the same thought, and man, because of the remains of the McGinnis Foundation, too, for those fans who
04:40haven't been to Oak Island, it looks like.
04:43It's small.
04:43Well, that's probably just the selling.
04:45Yeah, there's a much larger outline of the home itself that is not currently exposed.
04:51Right, we can see it doesn't look very huge.
04:55But I never knew that, Rick.
04:56I never knew that until I saw that picture.
04:58I thought, wait a minute, this is entirely foreign to my concept of the McGinnis Foundation.
05:04It's a beautiful, modern-looking home.
05:05Yeah, 200 years old.
05:07200 years old, and it begs the question, where do you get the resources and money?
05:11On a four-acre lot in Oak Island, yeah.
05:14Yeah, it does, doesn't it?
05:15Yeah, it does.
05:16What else is in Lot 21?
05:17Let me ask you guys this on a personal note.
05:20When you guys are going on these road trips, do you ever think it'd be crossing continents
05:24and crossing oceans and really traveling that the search would not just extend outside the
05:29island and into the surrounding community, but way outside of the rest of the world?
05:33No, I never envisioned that.
05:35I mean, research I knew would encompass large areas because of trying to figure out where
05:40this came from.
05:41But no, I didn't envision travel.
05:42Did you?
05:43Not so much.
05:44But, you know, look, I've always believed there's a wonderful story.
05:47Well, you have to follow the clues that lead you ultimately to figuring out the real story.
05:53So, you know, I mean, look, everything comes from the continent, right?
05:57Yeah.
05:57There was always this thought that, you know, we may chase it backwards somewhere.
06:04We are getting closer and closer to the next all-new episode of The Curse of Oak Island.
06:09The season is young, but we're getting more and more good news as the weeks progress.
06:15And to that end, I want to welcome Craig Tester to the set here.
06:18Craig, thanks for being here, buddy.
06:19Welcome.
06:20So, Craig, I was talking to these guys about road trips.
06:22We were talking about your long trip to Calgary, and then you took the brooch on a shorter
06:28trip right here in Halifax to St. Mary's, and we found out some incredible news about
06:35that brooch.
06:36Talk to me about that.
06:38Very nice.
06:39Pretty, isn't it?
06:40Yeah.
06:41The brooch was found this year, and we've had it looked at by a gemologist already, and
06:47it did appear that there were places that had gold.
06:50Okay.
06:50Where did you guys find this?
06:51Kind of the western end of the island.
06:54It's in really good condition.
06:55Have a look, and we'll see what your machine says.
07:03What are the lighter spots?
07:05Yeah, what are we seeing that's bright?
07:06Is that the potential gold, or?
07:08You know, right in the very center.
07:11It's a bright area?
07:12Yeah.
07:13Gold.
07:14Is that gold?
07:15Well, how about that?
07:16Gary can go do his gold dance.
07:18He found some gold.
07:19You've definitely struck gold.
07:22We struck gold.
07:25Gold.
07:26Gold on Oak Island.
07:28I mean, come on, right?
07:30That's right.
07:30Definitely.
07:31It was at a gold plating on it.
07:33It just goes to show you the value of it.
07:35And then the other big object is when you were looking at the glass, we kind of knew it was
07:40leaded glass, but it was a very, very high amount of lead in the glass, and that was very unusual.
07:47So, more unusual factors tends to make it appear old, so it was very good news, gold and old.
07:55Old and gold.
07:56Well, let's talk about that.
07:58Those are two things that you guys have been looking for for a long time.
08:02And I don't care if it is the size of the end of my fingernail.
08:06Well, one of the big things I always hear from fans is, they found any gold, they found any gold,
08:10and boom, here we go.
08:11So, you know, it's a start.
08:14I like to look at it from, you know, the 30,000 foot from the macro.
08:18And we have found more and more and more little treasures and now gold.
08:23I think it's significant.
08:24Now, this stone, like, it does, and I forget who mentioned it, but it does lead to the thought of
08:31these kind of secret societies.
08:33Yeah.
08:33Which, again, Marty, I know you're reticent, like, you know, Templar for a long time just seemed like a fable.
08:38Then we find some stuff.
08:39Well, maybe it could be.
08:40Now we have something that might fit that narrative.
08:42Part of the fun here for all of us is, you know, we have all learned all kinds of new
08:46things.
08:46I mean, I didn't know anything about this business that the formula to take glass and make it this brilliant
08:53red color was known and kept secret to only, you know, certain families in Italy, I guess, normally, some in
08:59Germany.
09:00They didn't communicate with each other.
09:01It was a well-guarded secret because the product was valuable.
09:05And apparently it was discovered and lost and discovered and lost until finally it was disseminated and, you know, and
09:12then everybody knew.
09:13And my understanding is when lead was a hugely high component, as it is in this, it may have been
09:20a time when it was pretty secret as to how to do it.
09:22Right.
09:23So, I mean, that's just interesting stuff, you know, very interesting.
09:26And it's, you know, yeah, you got your secret society.
09:29You know, we have Masons on the team, right?
09:32Yes, we do.
09:34And Rosicrucians, that history.
09:36We do?
09:36Well, no, no, I mean, they're not on the team.
09:38Who's the Rosicrucians?
09:39I'm not saying.
09:40All right.
09:40It wouldn't be a secret.
09:42Yeah, right.
09:42But, you know, your imagination can run away with you on Oak Island, but then when you find stuff that
09:47actually kind of might fit that narrative, it becomes very compelling.
09:49Well, there's so many theories as it becomes, you know, the roller coaster Rick talks about.
09:55Lots of them have to end up being, are on their face preposterous, you know?
10:00I mean, they just don't make any sense.
10:01And then all of a sudden a piece of data comes in on one of the more far-fetched ones,
10:04and it's, wait a minute, maybe there is something to that.
10:09Welcome back.
10:11We're continuing to sift through all the information that's coming at us this season six.
10:17And speaking of sifting through, let's talk about Smith's Cove.
10:21A lot of land is being moved, and a lot of sifting is going to have to take place.
10:26But before I get to the kind of fines and what we expect, I want to talk about more behind
10:30the scenes.
10:31One of the greatest accomplishments that you guys have made might be the fact that you're able to figure out
10:39a way to do something like this in terms of red tape.
10:42You know, the Canadian government is very protective, as they should be, of this beautiful land.
10:47But you guys are able to put these massive works in, that wall, this copper dam.
10:52Talk about that process.
10:53I know, Rick, you're instrumental with a lot of that, right?
10:55He is.
10:55The times are changing.
10:57You know, you can no longer do what Dan Blankenship and Triton did without a permit.
11:02You can no longer do what Fred sought to do, i.e., with draining the swamp.
11:07You can no longer conduct those types of activities without governmental oversight.
11:11And we, you can't go down to the hardware store and buy dynamite anymore, either, like David Blankenship used to
11:17do.
11:18Literally.
11:18Literally.
11:18Head down to the store.
11:19Literally.
11:20Buy some dynamite.
11:22Come back, throw a few sticks in the hole.
11:24Exactly.
11:24I mean, Marty makes a relevant point.
11:26You just can't do that anymore.
11:27And, you know, we welcome the oversight.
11:29We have collectively sought to respect the island.
11:33So, again, you know, you have to go and seek permission from various governmental entities.
11:38But they have been very cooperative.
11:42Yeah.
11:42And I know you guys have a lot of community support, too.
11:45There's no question about it.
11:46This is a little behind the scenes.
11:48But we were shooting something.
11:50And, you know, when I first started coming here, you'd see some tourists.
11:53And then I saw that increase.
11:55And now they're sold out.
11:56And then one day we were shooting.
11:58And literally an Oak Island tour boat went by.
12:01We had to wait.
12:02And then another one went by the other way.
12:04And then a group of kayakers went by.
12:06And then a group on the tour walked by.
12:08And then a plane went by and was circling the island.
12:10I'm like, oh, my gosh.
12:11You can't even do anything anymore on the island because it's become so huge.
12:16And people are so fascinated by this.
12:17Don't forget the drones.
12:18The drones.
12:19People sending drones over.
12:21I mean, this is stuff that, again, we don't see on the show.
12:23But you guys have created a bunch of cottage industries for people around here.
12:27And I imagine they love that.
12:28How could they not?
12:29I thought he was going to say a monster, didn't he?
12:31Yeah, exactly.
12:31You have created a monster, but it's an awesome, wonderful monster, really, that has changed people's lives.
12:36When we first started, we had a vision, if you will, of what we wanted to accomplish.
12:42Certainly, Paramount was to solve the mystery.
12:44But we also felt that we would like to leave a positive footprint.
12:48Yeah.
12:48And we would like to heal the island physically and emotionally, while we haven't solved the mystery yet.
12:53But on the other two agendas, I think we've made significant progress.
12:57You're leaving one out, Rick.
12:58We're trying to find a historic and massive and hugely valuable treasure, too.
13:04We'll solve the mystery.
13:05Well, OK.
13:06I think that the two are injured.
13:06We could solve the mystery, though.
13:08Well, you mentioned search agenda.
13:10And, Craig, let's talk about Smith's Cove's search agenda.
13:12I imagine the U-shaped structure is a big target.
13:14What else could we expect maybe this season?
13:16Well, you know, we don't know what all is out in Smith's Cove.
13:20I mean, every time in the past, somebody has built a coffer dam to try to explore, mainly to try
13:26to destroy the flood system so it won't flood the money pit.
13:29The coffer dam is built, and in a short period of time, it's destroyed.
13:34And I'm wondering what your hopes are for perhaps targets at Smith's Cove.
13:39The big target is the flood system itself.
13:42Now, it's been greatly damaged by people in the past trying to destroy it because they wanted to cut off
13:48the water that was going to the money pit.
13:50But what can we find out about the system, what it looked like?
13:55And hopefully, you know, any time a major project like that is going on, people lose things.
14:01Buttons come off their shirts.
14:04You know, just lose things.
14:05And when we find that, who is it?
14:08What's the date on that button?
14:10And so we'll get Gary down there.
14:12You know, hopefully he can find friends of the cross.
14:15And hopefully we can get a lot of answers to that flood system.
14:18Yeah, I was going to say, you're right.
14:19Buttons fall off.
14:20Their Templar crosses come off their necklaces.
14:22It just happened.
14:23That's right.
14:23Rick was mentioning kind of healing some wounds or carrying over from the previous generation.
14:30And that makes me think in Smith's Cove of Dan's U-shaped structure, something he was able to unearth, not
14:36truly figure out what it was, and then he lost the dam.
14:38I imagine that's a target also.
14:40Oh, absolutely.
14:41There's a couple of structures that were out there, one that the U-shaped structure, and then there's what he
14:45called the L-shaped structure, just, you know, a corner of something.
14:49So if we can dig those up, and, you know, in this year we're looking into dendrochronology.
14:56That's where they take tree rings and try to age a tree so it can age the lumber.
15:01So we might be able to use that in Smith's Cove.
15:04Well, wait a second.
15:04That's incredible.
15:05So you could actually then date something like the U-shaped structure using that technology.
15:10Potentially.
15:11That's a great tease.
15:15Welcome back.
15:15We are even closer to tonight's all-new episode of The Curse of Oak Island.
15:19The anticipation is building.
15:21Every episode so far this young season has been chock full of stuff, new information, new excitement, and I'm so
15:27glad you guys have let me pick your brains for a little while as we head into this episode.
15:31I'm just wondering, I want to kind of check in with you guys on an emotional level here.
15:36We're early in the season, but like I said, so much happening.
15:39How are you guys feeling at this point?
15:41Did you think you would have this much this early?
15:43Yeah, I think so.
15:45We were coming on so many fronts.
15:48We were going at this problem on so many fronts that I was sure hoping we'd get data and get
15:52some, you know, there's nothing I like better than finding out the results of an experiment.
15:57And we're getting results.
15:59Right.
15:59The real treasure hunting aspect of it hasn't begun yet.
16:04That's true.
16:04So I think right now it's more about information hunting, you know, than it is the treasure hunting aspect.
16:12It hasn't begun.
16:13You're absolutely right.
16:14Other than metal detecting.
16:15Other than metal detecting.
16:16Which is ongoing all the time.
16:18Right now we're using yet another tool to find out what's underground, to try and hone us in on where
16:24to dig.
16:24There's a lot to look forward to.
16:26Well, that strikes me as funny because you say a treasure hunt aspect hasn't started yet, but yet we have
16:31gold already.
16:32That's true.
16:33You know what I mean?
16:33Very true.
16:34How about the underground treasure hunt hasn't started yet?
16:36Fine.
16:36How's that?
16:37But, I mean, it speaks to a very optimistic spirit that we should have that we haven't begun yet treasure
16:44hunting and we have gold.
16:45I mean, I think that's a sign that we're on the right track here in season six.
16:50That's right.
16:50So it would seem.
16:51Yeah.
16:52And we've talked about Smith's Cove in this episode.
16:54Could this be the year that we finally find those box drains?
16:57I mean, if anyone's got a shot to do it, you guys are going to have a shot to do
17:01it now building the structure.
17:02Yeah, with that structure out there, if they exist, we should find them.
17:05In Smith's Cove, as far as I'm concerned, this story has always been about who, what, when, where, why, and
17:11how.
17:12My hope in Smith's Cove is that we would find out who and when.
17:16Those are my two W's there.
17:19Marty, you've told me in the past what you needed to really fully go, okay, something happened here.
17:26You're one thing.
17:27Has that bar changed in terms of what that one thing would have to be?
17:30I never defined what the one thing was.
17:33It's a category, and the category is, and we've talked about this for 12 years now at least,
17:40indisputable evidence of substantial human workings underground prior to 1790.
17:48That would do it.
17:49You show me that, something extraordinary happened here for sure,
17:52and then, you know, Katie bar the door as to what we do to, you know, dig it up.
17:57Rick, how about you?
17:58That's the standard, right?
17:59That's the standard, absolutely.
18:00Same with you.
18:01Maybe 1795 instead of 1790.
18:04No, I want a little slob factor in there.
18:06You know, I don't want it to be 1794.
18:08You want it to be significantly prior.
18:10To take out any sort of maybe mistakes.
18:13Dating issue.
18:14Dating issue, right.
18:15What is the, what is that gap?
18:17Yeah, do you have a cutoff number of 25 years, 10 years?
18:2020 would be fine, how's that?
18:22That's fine.
18:23So 20 years before the famous McGinnis 1795, if you find underground man-made works predating
18:29that, you're full steam ahead, 100%.
18:32Marty Lagina.
18:32I'm in.
18:33I'm already in.
18:34I know you are.
18:35But I'm really in there.
18:35But really, and in terms of you're believing that something happened here that wasn't just
18:39searching.
18:40Yes.
18:41And Rick, we already know you're there.
18:43More or less.
18:44Has there been anything so far this season that has strengthened that belief?
18:49No, it's hard to go from 99 to 100, correct?
18:53Right.
18:54Yeah, you need, you need.
18:55You need the one, the one thing.
18:57All right.
18:58Can you give the fans right now one thing, the one thing that maybe this episode that
19:05we're about to head into in just moments, something exciting?
19:09Can you give us any sort of tease?
19:10We're going to let the science guy take over here.
19:12Oh, sure, Rick.
19:14Stay tuned for some results.
19:15Results in terms of?
19:17Seismic.
19:18Oh, all right.
19:19The seismic testing is in full blast.
19:22Explosions happening all over the money pit.
19:24And you're saying we might see some results?
19:26Some results.
19:26Well, you heard it from the guys themselves.
19:28Let's go.
19:29Let's see these results.
19:30The next all-new episode of The Curse of Oak Island starts right now.
19:35Boom.
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