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This book has been written to assist researchers of the origin of how sound technology has changed dramatically in the first part of the twentieth Century. It deals with the technology of the growth of production and transmission of music specifically and then way in which music has been used for information and relaxation as well as the ambience in which it is consumed. It also deals with many of the formats in which the sound technology, is listen to and produced for instruction and consumption of this technology. The usage of specific and different formats for individual, small group, large group, national and international consumption for enjoyment and information in formal and informal use.

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00:34Hey guys, it's me, Yaya Diamond. What's up? How you doing?
00:37I have an amazing guest on the show.
00:39Again, he is still amazing. He will always be amazing.
00:42And I am so happy this time that we have him on the camera.
00:47Yay!
00:48I want to welcome author Richard Beeston to the show.
00:52Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:55That's nice. Very nice.
00:59So, I wanted to ask you, we talked about this before, but you have a new book now.
01:04So, Sound Matters.
01:06I'm going to go ahead and share the poster that I put up earlier.
01:12So, it's Sound Matters.
01:15And this is beautiful.
01:17So, with all of the things that you're doing, I wanted to find out from you, how did you get
01:25into Sound Matters?
01:28And what made you write this particular book?
01:35Well, what it is, Yaya, is a thesis that I was writing for my master's degree.
01:46And what I was trying to do is find something that people need to keep up to date with what
01:58or find out how music and sound started out.
02:03Okay.
02:05Now, this goes, the book starts really back in the 1890s.
02:17Okay.
02:18And it gives an idea of all the instruments and things that were being used to get sound into the
02:36homes and into everyday life.
02:43Now, it's the, really, the technology that I'm trying to work with to show all the different types of technology
03:04that has been used from the old
03:12cylinders, the music cylinders.
03:14Oh, I've forgotten words.
03:22Take your time.
03:24Yeah, yeah.
03:25It's okay.
03:26Take your time.
03:27Take your time.
03:29It's all right.
03:32It's from the old cylinders, the music cylinders.
03:36And then the old 78s and the old 45s going up into the 33 rpms.
03:55And how the technology has progressed so that it can come in, instead of just having to go to a
04:08big hall to listen to music, you've got it walking around in the, with yourself, by yourself.
04:16It, I mean, you know, the progression of sound, that was, it was, it started off slow, but definitely a
04:25sped up in the last 50 or so years.
04:28Um, did you talk about that?
04:34In the beginning, they, there was no, um, technology that was available to each individual person to use as they
04:53wanted to use it.
04:54Right.
04:56Um, the only way that people could listen to music was to go into a great big hall or something
05:04like that, where there was, uh, orchestras and, um, all that sort of thing that you, they had to listen
05:14to.
05:14Um, and depending on where they were sitting in the hall or in wherever they were listening to in the
05:23home or something, the sound varies because of the, uh, way in which the sound is being, uh, projected from
05:38the orchestra to the people listening.
05:41Um, if they're at the back of the hall, um, um, they can get sound bouncing off the walls.
05:48If they're down near the front, the, some of the sound goes over the top of them.
05:54Um, if they're to one side, they get, uh, sound bouncing off the wall and all this sort of thing
06:05distorted the way that people could hear music.
06:11Yeah.
06:12Yeah.
06:13Or any sound.
06:14That's crazy.
06:16When, when the technology of the, um, was, uh, uh, being appreciated and could be used by each individual, the
06:34technology had to keep up with, with all the requests of how they could.
06:41They can, or where they can listen to it, whether it's got to be in the home, in the big
06:46grammar phones, or whether it's in a little, uh, radio that they can listen to it, but that they haven't
06:56got any control over really, except for volume.
07:00And then they wanted to, people wanted to say, all right, well, I can, uh, listen to it at home,
07:09but I want to go and listen to it when I'm on the beach or when, you know, in the
07:15car or whatever else.
07:16Yeah.
07:17And so the technology had to grow and grow and grow and grow until such time as they got into
07:27the, and, um, in the cars, you know, the different sized, um, pieces of equipment that were in cars to
07:43listen to.
07:44So, and nobody in, uh, my, well, if I had two grandchildren, the people of that age in the sort
07:57of in the twenties didn't know how music came to be because they just had it on, on tap.
08:05Yeah, yeah, they did, we did, I'm not going to lie, we did.
08:14And, uh, I mean, that, if they don't, don't know where it comes from, how can they tell people how
08:21to use it properly?
08:23Exactly.
08:25Yeah.
08:26Well, well, you know, there are just so many different technic, technic, technic, technological advances.
08:35That we've made with music, with different, uh, audio, with different things like, you know, the, the doorbell, the refrigerator
08:43bell, the, the, the talking, the audio, the, the, um, AI.
08:48I mean, there's just so many leaps and bounds on audio that people don't realize we've made.
08:54And it's not just music, it's, you know, speech, it's the sounds that we hear every day.
09:00It's the ambulance sound that we hear.
09:02That's also sound inside the car sound outside the car in the house.
09:07I mean, wow, this, I mean, what is it that you focus on in your book?
09:14Just the, the, um, technology, the progress in the technology.
09:21I, I try and get all the different types of technology up until about the 1950s.
09:28Yeah.
09:29Yeah.
09:30The 1950s.
09:31Wow.
09:32After that, it gets just too quick and too, too much to deal with.
09:40And as I was doing, you know, my original thesis that I was doing for my master's degree started off
09:48at 80,000 words.
09:53That's a lot of words.
09:54That's a lot of words.
09:56Yes.
09:58And I, you know, I wanted to do it right up until about the 1960s, 1970s.
10:05My, um, teacher said, look, that is only good for a PhD or something a bit higher.
10:14So he said, chop it down, chop it down, chop it down, chop it down.
10:21He said, I, all I want is something in about, um, 20,000 words.
10:29And I said, I can't put all this work into 20,000 words.
10:33It's got to be more than that.
10:35I said, I'll chop it down to 60,000.
10:39He said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:41That's still too much.
10:44So we came to an agreement that I would do 40,000 words.
10:49And I think there's 39,950 or something like that words in the book.
10:56You came pretty close there.
10:58You came pretty close.
11:02Wow.
11:03It's not, it's not a boring book.
11:06I don't think it's a boring book.
11:07It's something that if people are interested in music and they don't know what's been going on and how it
11:14came about and how it came to be that you and I had small radios, you know, and then we
11:24came into the AI stuff and all that sort of, which I, which I couldn't cope with.
11:31So I just said, all right, we'll leave it down at 40,000.
11:34I'll get it printed and see what happens.
11:37Wow.
11:38Well, you know, I have to say that you're right.
11:40And I said this earlier that it's just, it speeds up tremendously speeds up from like the 1960s, 70s, and
11:48then it just goes crazy.
11:50It just gets, like you said, you can't deal with it.
11:52It's just, it's too much.
11:53But I think the precipice of it and the foundations of sound, you know, and getting this sound into people's
12:01homes and their cars is technologically a miracle within itself.
12:07Because like you said, people had to go somewhere to listen to it.
12:11You know, when it comes to sound technology, what would be the national versus the international audience?
12:21I mean, is there, was there any cohesiveness between the two advances?
12:29It was so, so gradual and people didn't realize that they needed something.
12:37And then somebody said, oh, I'll do this and try it out.
12:43And then they come across something that somebody else does a little bit better and smaller and louder and deals
12:53with different sorts of things.
12:55Things like advertising, people's needs, things just changed so much.
13:11And with technology changing from loudspeakers to, you know, little battery-operated things, it couldn't do much different.
13:28Yeah, yeah.
13:29What about cultural differences?
13:31Were there any cultural differences when it came to this and the sound technology and the influence?
13:39Yes, there were.
13:42It was mostly because people wanted to discover what other people were doing so that they could use their sound
13:54or give their sound to another culture.
14:00Like, for instance, if I'm looking at Australia, you've got our aboriginals, which have a different culture to us.
14:12And some of the white-skinned people said, we want to give you what our culture is so that you
14:27can, so we can join up together and make sure that we enjoy both cultures.
14:34Then there's cultures within Europe, within America, within Canada and United States, United States and Mexico, Mexico and Brazil, all
14:51different cultures.
14:53And everybody wanted to, or when people were traveling, they wanted to listen to other cultures, music or sounds.
15:02And this, it wasn't that one culture dominated.
15:09It was one culture had often different ways of communicating.
15:19Some of it was sounding, some of it was sound, some of it was voice, all of which is part
15:25of sound.
15:29And people just wanted to get things done and wanted to listen to the different cultures because they were interested
15:41in the different cultures.
15:42Yeah. What kind of, what kind of challenges did you face while you did this project?
15:49Because I know the one challenge you had that we were talking about earlier is the, the actual amount of
15:56words that you needed to kind of lower this down to.
16:00But what other challenges did you face while you were writing this, this, I want to say book because I,
16:06no, it was a book from the, from the get go to me.
16:12The, the, the, the problems I got was trying to find the information in other books so that I could
16:21use it in my book.
16:25Some books that I was looking for, I had to get sent out from England and from Germany and from
16:33the United States because we didn't have the books that I wanted to give me the information.
16:42And when I, when I wanted to quote somebody, I had to get the books to say, yes, I've got
16:49that book.
16:49I've got the page number that I've, that I've wanted on so, and so much and so much.
16:55Yeah.
16:56Yeah.
16:56I got you.
16:57And some books that were just out of print.
17:03And I, you know, I, you know, I couldn't get them.
17:07So I had to dig around in libraries and in museums and all that sort of thing to give me
17:16an idea of what I could use, what I can't use.
17:21And, you know, I, you know, I wanted to make sure that if I was going to quote somebody, I
17:35didn't quote something out of a book that is no longer available.
17:39Right.
17:42Yeah.
17:42Yeah.
17:43Wow.
17:44Wow.
17:44That, that can be tough.
17:47That, that, I mean, a book out of print is like digging in a hole that you're digging for something
17:53that doesn't exist really.
17:55Oh, goodness.
17:55Um, no, no, no, no.
17:58I feel it's more like digging in a hole to try and find a diamond.
18:03Well, that can be difficult as well.
18:05I mean, I think, I don't know.
18:06I'd rather, I think we can find gum before we can find diamonds, but definitely I understand where you're coming
18:14from.
18:15Did you come across?
18:16Go ahead.
18:17Or maybe, uh, yeah, finding an opal.
18:23Um, now, yeah, that's very hard to find.
18:27You've got to go and find out where that, that sort of thing.
18:30Mm-hmm.
18:32Yep.
18:32Yep.
18:32Yep.
18:32I agree.
18:33I agree.
18:34Did you come across any surprising or little known facts during your research?
18:39Yes, I did.
18:42One of the things that I had brought to my attention, I was reading a book.
18:51Now, I went into a library in one of the universities around here.
18:57And I was looking for a particular book under the number and the, where you could find it in the
19:05library.
19:07And I was looking at a book and then I came across the book next door to the book I
19:13wanted.
19:13And it came to me that our Aboriginals have a way of giving people music by asking radio stations to,
19:34um, play certain items that the, a person wanted.
19:40So, um, I, I, I, you, just for instance, say you were in hospital, I knew you, I knew what
19:50sort of music you liked.
19:51So, I would ring up the radio stations to broadcast it so that you could hear it.
19:58And you, we, we would be, they would be told that so-and-so has asked for Yaya to listen
20:08to this music because it's his birthday or something like that.
20:12Wow.
20:13So, and I didn't know that this existed and it was only in one book that I found that I
20:20could, uh, relate to this.
20:23And it was one of the things that the people who was, were looking in my book or looking in
20:30my thesis that, um, they didn't know about it.
20:34And they said, where did you get this information?
20:36And I just said, well, there's the book, there's the right, there's where it's been written.
20:41And so that's what I used it for.
20:43And because of that, they said, yes, it's, um, something that I would never have been able to put or,
20:51yeah, never been able to put in a book.
20:55Wow.
20:55I just used it.
20:56So in a way that I felt that nobody else knew what was happening except for a small group.
21:05And then I just thought, well, it's, my book is really for the world, not just for my country or
21:14your country or, you know, something in the Arctic or the Antarctic or, you know, small islands or something like
21:23that.
21:23I wanted to make sure that it was available and readable by people right around the world.
21:30Yeah, definitely.
21:32Definitely.
21:32So you, you mentioned in your book that music was both information and, and, and relaxation.
21:38Um, how did these, these roles evolve alongside technology then?
21:46Uh, my family.
21:49Hmm.
21:51My family, I, it was my, what I, uh, what I, um, was brought up with.
22:02Um, what my grandfather had as far as music was concerned.
22:07I then talked to some of his, um,
22:15people, the same age.
22:16I then went to people that were, well, I was listening to music at home.
22:23Um, and I got a lot of my ideas from my father and my mother and my brother and sister
22:32and what they were doing to listen to music and listening to sound and this sort of thing.
22:42Um, and other people at school, um, um, in the same, um, uh, job that I was doing and just
22:52got a lot of people's ideas of, you know, where, where they got their information from, where they got their
23:00music from, where they got other things from.
23:03Um, and you know, where the news came from, uh, and how it was brought out from, uh, one radio
23:13stations, uh, equipment right through, uh, right around Australia or right around America, right around Germany, whatever, whatever country you
23:25would like to talk about.
23:26Um, uh, and this all sort of.
23:32Um, and this all sort of made me dig deeper into where the, uh, sound's were coming from and how
23:40the technology had been improved because my grandfather didn't have a radiogram for quite a while or grammar phone.
23:52He had the tubes and listened to piano and went out on, you know, to big orchestral things because he
24:11couldn't have any radios in his youth because they didn't exist.
24:18Well, that's weird to me, though, because I wasn't in that era, I guess.
24:30You are probably too young to have a living grandfather that didn't know where all this was.
24:40Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, my grandfather would have. Gosh, he passed away at 97 years
24:53old in 2006.
24:57He would have had. He would have had. Yeah. He would have known. And my grandmother was 102 and she
25:03passed away two years ago.
25:06So, yeah, they both would have known. They both would have known. Yeah.
25:11Well, I'm not far out of your grandfather's age group.
25:20Well, that's cool. You're looking all pispy and cute and stuff. You look good.
25:28I like it. You don't look in the 90s or even the 80s.
25:33You know, early 80s. Yes.
25:39Wow. Wow. Wow. So you're in your early 80s, right?
25:44How do you want this book to contribute to the understanding of sound technology today?
25:53Just to let people know where it came from, not just to accept that sound and music has been forever
26:03because it hasn't been.
26:04Yeah. Because of AI, because of all the different technologies that have been created.
26:25Awesome. Yeah, I agree with you.
26:27I agree with you. And I didn't think it just came out of nowhere, like, poof, sound.
26:34So definitely there had to be an evolution of it.
26:37And I appreciate what you've done and that you put this book together, this one here.
26:42And I'm going to go ahead and put that link up in the description box so people can actually go
26:48to Amazon and find your book.
26:50And, you know, and actually know the impact of technology on music composition in the early 20th century.
26:57Something that really, really you had to study really deeply.
27:00And I appreciate that because that's something that all musicians or people who love music or even sound itself can
27:08appreciate.
27:11Thank you. Thank you.
27:13Is there anything that we missed today that you'd like to say?
27:19Well, what I'd like to do, what I'd like to say is don't just think that sound and music has
27:29been forever.
27:30But dig deeper or dig a little bit deeper and find out where and how music and sound has grown
27:38over the last hundred years.
27:42Mm-hmm. Yeah.
27:45And that's what the book is for.
27:47That's wonderful. I love it. Absolutely love it.
27:50You know, if you guys are into sound, if you're into music and you want to know the evolution of
27:55it all,
27:55and if you want to literally be a part of that evolution and you want to make it known that
28:01you now are,
28:03you know, you know, privy of that information, then I would go ahead and get this book for yourself.
28:10Mr. Beeson, thank you so much for being on the show.
28:12I appreciate it.
28:14And I finally got it on camera.
28:21Well, you've seen my book?
28:23I have.
28:24You've seen my book?
28:24Yes.
28:26It is beautiful.
28:27I like hardcover.
28:29You've seen me.
28:30Yes.
28:31Now all you've got to do is read it.
28:34That's it.
28:35That's it.
28:35Well, Mr. Beeson, thank you for your contribution.
28:38And thank you so much for being, you know, used so that you can literally show people where sound did
28:44come from.
28:45You have more books, Mr. Beeson?
28:48No, I don't.
28:49The reason for that is that I started this idea probably in my late 70s or 70s and looking at
29:02it, getting all the information, writing it, being it, you know, having to chop it here and chop it there
29:09and whatever else.
29:10Finding a publisher that's willing to do it to publish it has taken me seven years.
29:19Wow.
29:20And I don't think that I could do another seven years' work to write another book.
29:26I don't think that I doubt it's going to take you seven years.
29:29You just go back to tranquility.
29:33Well, it wasn't just tranquility.
29:38It was just a lot of hard, hard work.
29:42Hard.
29:43Yes, hard work to try and find out where I wanted to, what I wanted to talk about and make
29:49it readable.
29:51I got you.
29:51I understand that.
29:53Well, Mr. Beeson, you might be sitting around twiddling your thumbs, according to you.
29:57Your parents lived very long, and I think you're not going anywhere anytime soon.
30:05Thank you, Yaya.
30:06No problem, Mr. Beeson.
30:08And thank you guys so much for tuning in.
30:09And I'm going to put the link in the description box, so it'll be easy for you guys to go
30:12ahead and find that book.
30:13You know, a lot of times we just sit down in a corner.
30:15I absolutely love to sit next to a window on a window seat, open up a book, have a cup
30:22of coffee or some tea and maybe some popcorn or something and read a great book.
30:28Staying out of this TV and getting away from the social media and all that stuff is beautiful.
30:36And just having an area in your home somewhere on your property or even near your apartment building or wherever
30:44you may live to actually sit down and read a book.
30:47I used to go to the beach and sit on the rocks, and it was beautiful.
30:51Beautiful.
30:52So I think that this is something that you can appreciate, you guys.
30:55You know, learning where sound came from and being aware of all the sounds that now are around you is
31:02an amazing thing.
31:03It definitely is.
31:05Mr. Beeson, thank you again so much.
31:07A pleasure.
31:09And it's my pleasure as well.
31:11Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
31:12And this has been courtesy of Tranquility Press.
31:15Thank you guys again so much.
31:16Bye.
31:28Bye.
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