00:00I think there should be a separate plane for children that has no seats.
00:03Just let them race around screaming their heads off. No seats at all.
00:07I am Fran Leibowitz, and this is then and now for Harper's Bazaar.
00:17We talked about fashion last time. Do you think men are dressing any better?
00:21It's totally adolescent. At best. I mean, sometimes it is pre-adolescent.
00:25I was in Baltimore. I check in the hotel, and it seemed to me at first,
00:30this place is full of baseball players. Why are all these baseball players staying in this hotel?
00:34So I tell this to the guy at the hotel. He said, they're not baseball players. They're baseball fans.
00:40In this country, you see men dressing very, very poorly.
00:46In Europe, people dress much better. I mean, there's just no question that that's the case.
00:52In New York, people dress much better than they do outside of New York.
00:55Did you track any of the new debuts, like the new Chanel designer?
00:59You know, I don't go to shows anymore. Jonathan Henderson's good.
01:02I thought that show was good. But most people don't wear those clothes.
01:05See, the thing is, yes, are these designers good? Yes. Are those clothes good? Yes.
01:09You're not going to see that many of them, you know, and you're certainly not going to see them in
01:13an airport.
01:16We did talk last time about revenge being personally very satisfying.
01:20Has that remained true for you?
01:23Yes, I find revenge in the instances I've been able to take it very satisfying.
01:27OK, this guy did something. And then five years later, the opportunity came and I took it.
01:35And this is years ago, but it was so delightful that I still recall it.
01:38Have things gotten any better since we last spoke?
01:41They are much worse for everyone except Donald Trump.
01:45Seems like some of those tech guys are doing well, too.
01:48You know, the thing about these tech people, every single thing they want, approval from the government, they shouldn't have.
01:53Because every single thing they want is bad for everyone except them.
01:57Truthfully, they've always been like this. In other words, this idea that they used to be leftists and now they're
02:02right wing, they were businessmen.
02:04You know, a business is a very simple entity that has one goal, which is to make a profit.
02:09It doesn't matter whether it's a lemonade stand, you know, or, you know, Google.
02:13It makes no difference from that point of view.
02:15Do I think they like Trump? I have no idea. Because let's face it, he's not really likable.
02:19You know, he's not like he's, well, who could resist that charm?
02:22Trump's so easy to figure out. He really wants you to like him.
02:26I don't want to blame Meryl Streep for Donald Trump, but I really believe if Meryl Streep had once said
02:32hello to him, we wouldn't have to deal with him.
02:35He would have lived on that for the rest of his life.
02:36He would have gone around saying, Meryl, do you see Meryl Streep said hello to me? I said, hi, Meryl.
02:40She said, hi, Donald.
02:41So you can't say it's Meryl Streep's fault, but you kind of can.
02:43We did talk about RFK Jr. briefly last time. He told me he's going to make my life a whole
02:49lot worse.
02:50But I feel like I could not have anticipated how much worse. Are you surprised by what he said?
02:55No. I mean, the first shock is that he has this job.
02:59Almost no one in the Trump administration is qualified for their jobs.
03:02We can't go backwards fast enough. I remember when they invented the polio vaccine.
03:05If he's going to be against that, they better buy wheelchairs because these viruses still exist.
03:13Why do you think we're not growing up? What do you think has happened to our attention spans?
03:18Artists I know. Very, very good artists. I said something to this guy about his son.
03:23He should see this movie. And he said to me, he doesn't like movies. I found this shocking.
03:27He doesn't like movies. Why? They're too long. That's a bad sign, I think.
03:33They have an expectation of a certain kind of pace of things. And if it's not met, they are bored,
03:39I guess, by it.
03:40One thing I do notice, even with kids who are very smart, who've had tremendous cultural advantages,
03:45know very little about things that happened before they were bored and they feel justified in this.
03:49They'll say, well, no, I didn't know about that. You know, I wasn't even born then.
03:56It's just an absurd thing to say. I always say, well, I wasn't born during the Civil War, but I
04:00heard about it.
04:00I don't know what they teach in school anymore, frankly.
04:03There's a lot of hand-wringing right now that kids can't finish books or can't read books.
04:07That's not true. I agree.
04:08You know what? On the subway, mostly you see people on their phones, okay?
04:12But when you see someone reading an actual book, it's always someone in their 20s. It's always someone young.
04:16Like, that is when I become incredibly nosy, because I always want to know what they...
04:20Anything is good, but I was like, like...
04:23I'm always trying to look, what are you reading? It's like...
04:26I actually had a question for you about rage and if it was ever helpful and what people should be
04:31mad about.
04:32Well, what should they not be mad about? I don't know. Like, you know, I have been angry since birth.
04:36So I'm not maybe the best person to ask. Like, because, like, I am so angry all the time that
04:42I barely have other emotions.
04:43So I'm not suggesting that's the best way to go through life. Although I don't understand why people aren't angry.
04:49Very last thing, just because I read something you said about restaurants and I wanted to know what made the
04:53perfect restaurant experience.
04:54I got to dinner. Like, 9 o'clock. Children should not be in the restaurant.
04:58They're there at 9?
04:59Oh, they're there. Okay. So, sometimes babies. Babies should be home. You know what people say?
05:06But then they can't go out. Then stay home. Look, no one made to have this baby.
05:10Okay? I like babies, by the way. But not in a restaurant. Okay?
05:14And I don't like a 5-year-old kid in a restaurant at 10 o'clock at night.
05:17Because they don't have very good manners. I think there should be a separate plane for children that has no
05:23seats.
05:23Just let them race around screaming their heads off. No seats at all.
05:27Even the parents might be happy for that. Goodbye, sweetheart. We're getting on the adult plane.
05:33And we'll see you when we get to San Francisco.
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