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00:01uh this postseason can't come fast enough the fans are manic they're absolutely manic
00:06and last night was the biggest one I'm telling I think last night I I wonder if they were on
00:13the road like they're on the road coming up Friday yeah tomorrow okay want to make sure
00:18well they got though they got another game with Atlanta and then they got the whiz and everybody
00:23beats the whiz um I I wonder if they were not at home they would have just been fine with
00:36not winning
00:36the basketball game and you can't say I'm crazy because I think we all kind of wonder like what
00:43do they want to do do you want to win the basketball game do you not want to win the
00:47basketball game
00:48you're a game behind the Knicks who play tonight correct um half a game but they have the tie
00:54breaker okay so you're a half a game behind the Knicks who play tonight the Knicks who knows
00:58exactly what they want to do so now we're all on this great big standoff of what we want our
01:03teams
01:03to do yeah to be clear that is frustrating I have to admit yeah Boston has um it's a nationally
01:09televised game tonight against um it's Boston and New York New York's actually favored because
01:15Boston has a lot of guys on their injury report including Jalen Brown
01:24so so if the Knicks just win are we gonna get the three it's over okay if the Knicks beat
01:29Boston
01:29then we don't have to worry about it anymore that's it and we can just win the game or we
01:33can keep
01:33winning games well because you just said it you just said it right there it nobody's gonna lose to
01:40the Wizards so you got Atlanta and the Wizards on Sunday Atlanta on Friday the Wizards on Sunday
01:46I think you probably go one and one over the next stretch right I'm I'm I'm very serious I think
01:52if
01:52they were on the road yesterday they would have been just fine I just I but I came away this
01:56is what
01:57makes it so bizarre I'm still trying to gather it all right now this is what makes it so bizarre
02:03is even though my mentions were going nuts and folks were getting crazy during the whole Cavaliers
02:13game during the whole game you can't just win if they win I thought you could no they have the
02:20tiebreaker if you finish with the same amount of wins but right now you have the same amount of wins
02:25they win they'll have one more win with two games left if they don't win any more than that and
02:30you win
02:31two you have more wins than you would overtake them you are now the three seed yeah I don't think
02:36there is any reason to put now again if you want to wait and see what happens tonight just to
02:41determine
02:41how much you want to play your guys or whatever against Atlanta if if you want to uh because
02:46Atlanta could still technically fall out of the spot all right Toronto would have to win their final
02:50three games I I think it's it's the most likely obviously that you're going to be in the four
02:55seed Atlanta's going to be in the five seed and then you figure out how seriously you want to
03:01treat that game the Wizards game I don't think you're going to be treating seriously at all sorry
03:05on customer appreciation day how it's been all apologies it's been for five years but that's
03:11but that's okay you can go out and have a shooter on still beat them so everybody will be happy
03:15like you could put in you need to lose to Atlanta yeah you could put in and get a workout
03:19with
03:19Evan Mobley and everybody you said something hold on you said people were going nuts I was not on
03:24Twitter during the game okay I was why on earth because it was anybody be going because the defense
03:30was garbage because we're going to play Atlanta in the postseason so we're going to play Atlanta in
03:33the postseason so this is going to be this was really I'm you were locked in the internet's the
03:38internet so internet's not so you were locked into what was going on on social media and they were that
03:42mad I looked at my phone I was watching the game and I was trying to make sense of it
03:47all so I
03:48started to watch the game and then I started looking at my phone and then I you know I'm
03:51texting with Justin and a couple of the other ones and I'm seeing it I'm going well what what the
03:55hell
03:55is going on here because there were some people upset and so I started to wonder I go man if
03:59they
03:59were on the road would they just be fine with not winning this game and that would be okay because
04:05I
04:05think that they want to make sure they get that four seed which again doesn't instill a lot of trust
04:09and confidence you got to trust the Cavs to go out and get that you need to help me out
04:12here I'm trying
04:13to I'm trying to explain my emotions throughout that game last night but I'm not even talking
04:18about your emotions because I know that you're the fans emotions with Kenny we've hosted shows
04:22before we've had teams that have gone deep into the playoffs we've had a team win the championship
04:27yes I know we know how these games at the end of March and early April we know we do
04:32do they not
04:34know have they not lived through this are these all new fans to those teams they don't trust this team
04:38yeah but are they are they new did they they're not new but they trusted those teams they don't
04:42trust this team there's no way these people could be experienced NBA observers they are that's why
04:47they say they don't trust them and think and watch that game yesterday and say well we're having
04:52trouble defending a little bit here and there in this game and Atlanta rolled off a few a few big
04:57runs we're now in trouble in the playoffs like I can't believe what is coming out of your mouth
05:02and coming from the internet I can't believe it what because I said that people were going nuts
05:06yes okay you can be as patronizing as you want I watched that game and I saw the unit that
05:13when
05:13they have played okay when that starting five had played there had been I think 76 combined minutes
05:22this entire season okay and I watched them and I saw Atlanta not be able to do any of the
05:27stuff they
05:28do well and then the benches got involved I was trying the Cavs weren't really getting back on defense
05:33and the Cavs were on cruise control once they were up 17 I was trying to take you there yeah
05:38I watch
05:39that game very differently than any of the people you're talking about see you're getting all defensive
05:42and vulgar and obnoxious and I was trying to take you there yeah I just watched the playoffs before
05:48I've watched these games in April before all right how have you guys not done this and the words of
05:52somebody we knew very well everybody down on the ground this is unbelievable I just I mean I would
05:58understand it if this was our first time if we're in the first timers club why they're guys we're in
06:04the five timers club we get the same jacket that's why they're freaking out stars and luminaries get the
06:11five timers really a thing anymore yes it is Jack Black just got Jack Black just got it Kenny come
06:16on
06:16I don't know I haven't watched Saturday Night Live in a long time which now turns into some sort of
06:21statement I just haven't watched it guys I'm sorry here we go one of those coming in hot 9 45
06:25no I just
06:26haven't seen it in a long time Lama sends me clips and I watch the clips and sometimes they're funny
06:30and sometimes I go this is three minutes too long but I live in that world now um can I
06:36explain to
06:37you the emotions before you jump in and talk down to everybody go ahead condescend go ahead no you're
06:43condescending forget it I can't wait to hear this so they were they were worried between you and me
06:48I'm trying to have conversations with people and you're just going to tell everybody how to think
06:52so guys you could Anthony you've been fighting for two months with fans and with Nick Wilson over
06:56this and then you're surprised that people are going nuts and we're being a little manic during
07:00the Cavs game last night anybody that has being stupid anybody that has any kind of a critical eye
07:07who knows who knows how this stuff works anybody who watched that game last night would be saying
07:13the exact same thing I said Cavs in five if that's a series that Atlanta team I was trying to
07:19take
07:19you there has no chance did you see okay James you don't even trust me after 10 years how will
07:25they trust the Cavs you wouldn't go on this emotional journey with me all right so James
07:29Harden was like six of 23 we don't even care to hear it James Harden got to the basket at
07:33will
07:34got to all his spots Donovan Mitchell uh was basically playing his playoff elevated version
07:40where the guy that was settling for threes all year long oh no I'm just going to go to the
07:44basket
07:44it will you're two bigs you're two bigs one of them's banged up by the way you're two bigs got
07:50inside and got whatever they wanted and they got fouled every time because Atlanta's got no size and
07:55you guys were panicking about that well all right I'm not panicking because I got tough talking Evan
07:59Mobley I think guys are ready mentally physically we're getting there so it's right around the corner
08:05and we got to be as ready as possible for this run Sheriff's back in town
08:09a little bit you might see him in the postseason real soon so trying to fill them out see see
08:15what
08:15their tendencies are see how they play and they're probably not showing the full hand but we aren't
08:20either and I think this was just a good test I'm calling him the Sheriff from now on that voice
08:25that is the Sheriff that voice it is hilarious we've done bits with Evan Mobley's voice before
08:30but when he gets full-throated and barrel-chested Evan Mobley that sounds like Michael Jackson
08:37Sheriff's back in town you want some more here you go yeah look back at the film see what we
08:42did
08:42good and try to replicate that not everything's going to go your way how you want it but I feel
08:48like we played a great game overall like continuously throughout the game and that's what we're going
08:53to need throughout the playoffs all right who is the best player they're closing the door on the
09:00Atlanta Hawks yes who is the best player in the series if if this is the series who's the best
09:05player
09:07I'm a Mitchell yeah who's the next best player James Harden maybe could be Evan Mobley okay could
09:14be okay now Jalen Johnson is it's like last night yeah Jalen Johnson's really good he's very athletic
09:22he's young they talked about on the broadcast last night you can get a triple double at any point
09:26uh he also fouled out he's young he has no playoff experience like this would be this would be a
09:33welcome to the playoffs moment for Atlanta how are any Cleveland fans worried about the Atlanta
09:38Hawks history and I'm trying to explain I'm on your side I don't know why you're fighting in the first
09:43round I've been on your side for as much as everybody talked about the Cavs flame outs every
09:49year you also saw what the Cavs did to Miami last year you don't think the Cavs are going to
09:53do that to
09:55Atlanta come on like are you guys just all betting on opposing teams and you're losing money and that's
10:02why you're mad I was trying to take you there games without trying are you going to listen to me
10:06when
10:06we come back or are you just going to jump in and start to chastise yeah I have not heard
10:10one
10:10serious argument that I'm supposed to let me have an argument you didn't even let me say anything I
10:15don't think there is one you'd have five that's not how debate goes I still get the floor at some
10:19point because there is no debate I'm not I just wanted to take you on a journey and you wouldn't
10:24go on the journey with might have five of the best six in a series they might have six of
10:27the best
10:27seven get out of here with I'm supposed to be afraid of the Hawks stop it you guys nobody said
10:32you guys are embarrassing I didn't tell you to be afraid of the Hawks you said the internet was
10:35exploding I did not tell you to be afraid of the Hawks okay well the internet's the internet
10:39Ken was staring at the at the monitors the scrolling was happening no I didn't know I just had my
10:45phone
10:45out my wife was downstairs with the neighbor lady they were watching movies I was upstairs
10:50watching the game I happen to have my phone out what you think I'm gonna do I was in bed
10:54I'm gonna
10:54sit there and I'm gonna watch the game I happen to be tweeting with some people because I'm a man
10:58of the people you just sit up there in your ivory basketball tower acting like you're you're Hubie
11:03Brown up there and you just know more about basketball than everybody else you know what
11:06sometimes people need an education and I hope they're turning me against you and maybe you want it
11:11you can be like Nick and you can root against the Cavs you can be like Nick grow a beard
11:16and sit
11:16there and I wasn't I didn't play fingers crossed by the way all they do is win they don't even
11:22try
11:22hard and they win and they win and they win and I'm supposed to be afraid of the Atlanta Hawks
11:26amazing I'm not telling you to be afraid this town used to be a great sports town where we got
11:31behind our teams and we got really excited about our season with the fourth best championship odds
11:36you are insane is that not good enough Cleveland fans you have lost your mind is that not ready
11:40to get you excited about I cannot believe how defensive you've become you have lost your mind
11:46you have lost it listen to you listen to you the people you were staring at yesterday on Twitter
11:52lost their minds maybe just watch the game next time Kenny maybe have some fun watching the Cavs game
11:58instead of Twitter can I explain anything to you when we come back the floor is yours what is with
12:08you
12:08lately I'm excited about playoffs cannot wait clearly I cannot wait we're on the same side here
12:15don't do this to me maybe uh 22 and 19 last night for Evan Mobley about to lock him down
12:23so the guy
12:25that everybody calls soft the guy everybody says uh too meek and I'm supposed to be worried about the
12:30Hawks when he just went 22 and 19 certified hard ass they didn't even run a play for him
12:35uh there's a lot of people saying you are covering up for your own uh nervousness
12:39from the Hawks series yes you are there are there I got Jim Correo in here okay I actually I
12:45agree
12:46with Jim I think I think you're coming off very read it I I Xavier's coming off the same way
12:51like you
12:52I think you're coming off very defensive because I think you are afraid to deal with the comeuppance
12:57of the fans and I think that that's a valid point I have to admit social media reactions brought to
13:02you by
13:03Scheiben Jewelers Cleveland's premier jewelry I thought we'd be getting in the middle of a big
13:07fight about Miles Garrett right now this is incredible so they're gonna play if they do
13:11the smart thing uh because I would line up that matchup ASAP and not Toronto too I mean whatever
13:16but I I also think again you you makes makes no sense to play guys get them injured uh coming
13:23up
13:23tomorrow night why would you do that you you're this stage of the season this is the healthiest
13:27the Cavs have been all year now I'm gonna play guys Owen is this I I know you're busy over
13:32there
13:32let me ask you a question then I'll I'll just focus on this man here is this what I do
13:36with
13:36the Browns is what I've been doing with the Browns for a decade uh yeah just not wanting to hear
13:41anybody else and throwing a fit and a temper tantrum and getting red fit yeah well yeah but I mean
13:46with him I've been working with him for a decade yeah yeah okay I just make it short thank you
13:50very
13:50much um this is ridiculous all right let me explain can I explain I'm waiting for it no you're not
13:59no you're not you're just jumping in and going crazy I haven't heard why I'm supposed to be afraid
14:02of that team nobody is saying you need to be afraid nobody told you you need to be afraid
14:07nobody said you need to be afraid no one on earth I did not tell you that and you didn't
14:11pay attention
14:12to your social media last night so who on earth told you to be afraid I did not tell you
14:16to be
14:16afraid I was simply explaining the conversations that we're having between me and fans that's all I
14:23was doing what were those and then you went crazy on me what were those like I was Nick saying
14:27I
14:27wanted the Cavs to lose which is not true what are the conversations what was they were upset in the
14:32game because they weren't playing to what they believe is their full potential that's all I was
14:39trying to point out and then in the third quarter before you bit my head off because you're so damn
14:45defensive in the third quarter they flipped the proverbial switch as Justin Rowan our buddy
14:55chased down pod said to us you weren't paying attention I was and then after I asked you which
15:04you didn't see if we can maybe flip the switch tomorrow which we have to find out if Tchaikovsky is
15:09copyrighted because of the asking of the flipping of the switch then they started to go downhill and
15:16then it immediately became this Caval this this avalanche not a cavalanche an avalanche of why this
15:25team is not going to fulfill their promises and then in the end they win the basketball you see how
15:30silly that sounds and all I was trying in game 79 but because they gave up a lead against the
15:36Hawks when
15:36they were in cruise control now this means they're not gonna fulfill their their promise
15:42but they are reacting over the last four years not just this season they're reacting over the last
15:50four years so they're afraid of what's happened over the last four years so I have to justify these
15:55are emotions Anthony and sometimes emotions aren't overwhelmingly explainable so I have to I justify
16:00their emotions I see their emotions I recognize those emotions as much as I may want to disagree
16:06with them history is on those folks side and you just have to deal with that I have to just
16:11deal
16:11with that I've been on your side this entire time until you came after me just by telling you what
16:16some
16:16of the emotions were last night because I looked at it I actually if I can get this off my
16:20chest
16:21until you went over and nearly killed me and stabbed me in the chest over the Cavs basketball
16:26statement all I was trying to say is I actually came away feeling better about the Cavs after that game
16:33and you can print this one because they seem to just toy with Atlanta the entire game yes that's
16:38all I was trying to say but you didn't let me get it out you didn't let me say it
16:42you just went nuts
16:42they did toy with it I know that we're both we're heavier people I'm not I'll call me fat I
16:47won't call
16:47Nick fat I know we're both heavy he's got a beard I got more hair on top I am more
16:53pasty he's a
16:54little darker we're not the same guy Anthony all right damn I I you know I just free they are
17:01rent
17:01free in your head just me you're the one staring at Twitter during a Cavs game when they're toying
17:06with the I'm watching the Cavs game and I'm just trying to enjoy the team they're pretty good trying
17:11to have an online conversation with our listeners is that so bad I don't think these are the people
17:14I don't want to have online conversations with people like this I don't because these are the
17:18people that are trying to ruin the playoff experience those people are our listeners like again those
17:22people are our valuable valuable listeners if you want to if you want to bicker that they're not
17:27the best team in the NBA I wasn't fighting anybody that no not you I'm saying if you want to
17:31bicker
17:31the people that you're responding to that they're not the best team in the NBA that they're not the
17:35second best team in the NBA that they're not the third best team in the NBA okay that's fine I
17:40mean
17:40they have spent the most money so of the Browns over the last many years uh but that you had
17:46no way
17:47you had no mechanism to just leap ahead of the Boston Celtics when they have both Tatum and Brown
17:53and I think that's that's pretty fair I think that's being honest obviously you were ahead of San
17:59Antonio until Wemby kind of showed up and now that's changed everything because that guy is a
18:05singular has the potential to be an all-time player and then Oklahoma City's Oklahoma City
18:10they're the defending champs that they almost lost in in game seven last year they were down
18:15all right uh to to to a team that beat you in the playoffs but like who else I keep
18:20coming back to
18:20this would you rather be than the Cavs heading into this playoff right I would rather be the
18:25the only two teams there's only two teams I'd rather there's only the Lakers okay there's only
18:29two teams I'd rather be and that's Oklahoma City and that's uh is that not a good spot to be
18:34in
18:34and that's Boston yes it's a great spot to be in but I haven't guaranteed no you haven't
18:38I haven't guaranteed at any point that they're going to the finals that they're going to win
18:41the championship I just said man this could be a really really fun postseason and all you guys
18:47want to do is just poo-poo anything they've done they literally they literally there was the heat
18:53of the moment last 76 minutes this entire year before last night have they had the actual roster
18:59but you and now and I understand literally quite hold on Kenny they are quite literally the healthiest
19:04they've been all year Jalen Tyson might be able to play on Friday he's been out Dean Wade came back
19:10to the lineup you saw instantly how much of a factor he was then he then he's banging threes he's
19:15getting
19:16steals at midcourt bringing down the house on the other end like they haven't had them you guys keep
19:21bitching about the defense they haven't had their best defensive players and now they're healthy and
19:26now they might have the cleanest run of all time to an Easter conference finals like how could you not
19:31be
19:31excited but they have four years of getting their hopes up all I'm doing is recognizing their
19:36emotions that's all I'm trying to do and you're going crazy on it when you're the king of protecting
19:42your emotions with low expectations you're the master of that you have encouraged people to do that
19:47since you got on the radio here in 2011 so when you encourage people to protect their emotions and aim
19:52low
19:53and hopefully be surprised then you can't be upset with them when yeah they don't oversell what the
19:59calves could possibly do this year when they've had four years of history telling them that yeah
20:03the odds are against them I I don't understand how you can't see it I I really can't understand how
20:09you'd be so demeaning they're not the same people who are watching the team because they're not the
20:13same team they have three rotation players that I understand that that weren't part of the Darius
20:19Garland Donovan Mitchell failures this is now James Harden and Donovan Mitchell and Keon Ellis
20:26then why is everybody discreet and shooter has struggled then why does everybody discreet you I
20:29don't know why does everybody seem I don't know like I said except for me I I tried to go
20:34over if
20:34this tried if this were the guardians with the fourth best championship odds if this were the
20:38Browns and then they made a play a trade deadline deal you guys would be throwing the parade I think
20:43the guardians are different you would be planning the parade I think that there's plenty of people
20:48out there that wait for the guard for the other shoe to drop with the guardians they've been a very
20:51successful team they've been to the playoffs seven of the last 10 years but there's definitely people
20:55on that side who just think that they're not going to get their hopes up because the team
20:58quote-unquote doesn't spend well there's no quote-unquote they really don't they made a trade
21:02deadline deal and like the Cavs did I'm trying to give the exact same example let's say they got a
21:07bopper let's say let's say they went and got what I mean they've done trade deadline deals I don't
21:11know good in 2016 2017 okay and they went into the playoffs and they had everybody on their side
21:17and now I'm supposed to just sit here and go now we're probably gonna lose to Atlanta or in the
21:21second round Detroit you guys want me to do that on the radio I've just always noticed you I've just
21:26always noticed you to be a tactician that gets excited a person who plays my own emotions against
21:32me a person who has been very calculating in these debates and you just went and bit my head off
21:38Kenny Carmen style and so that tells me you are hiding your own emotions and your own fears
21:43that's how I see it uh but I'm not I'm not the one losing my mind talking about this for
21:48weeks
21:49I think I'm pretty clearly not with me though you keep saying well he did he's aimed it at Nick
21:53he did this like two weeks ago my whole life has been defined by the NBA playoffs and how awesome
21:59they
21:59are and if you guys poo-poo this I'm gonna take a baseball bat to anything the Browns or Guardians
22:04ever do again mark my words um and I you I think you're like this for a little bit I
22:12think you're
22:12completely misread you're acting like I'm hiding my fear what I'm afraid of Atlanta I'm afraid of
22:17Detroit I'm clearly not afraid of those things you're afraid that I think you've assigned some
22:21weird psychological thing that does not exist I think I think a lot of people would expect them
22:24and hold them to a higher standard than the Atlanta Hawks all right so what are we talking about
22:28here why are you panicking everybody they're not the ones panicking it's 6 38 in the morning on a
22:33Thursday I don't think anybody calling you listening and driving is panicking then we just did the
22:38first I apologize for the first 38 minutes they were based on the panicking you told me you were
22:42I was telling you about last night I wasn't telling you about right now I was telling you
22:44about what happened last night Anthony that's what I told you they don't feel the same way they did
22:49last night they probably are the same people but we didn't just do 38 minutes of straw man radio did
22:53we these are real people these are okay I'm just making sure they could be bots for all I know
22:57but they've been tweeting at me for years we got real people on the phones right now fine 216-474
23:02-0092
23:04does Anthony have a point are people living in their fears I think gosh the way you sound
23:09you sound like a very insecure fan right now I gotta tell you I just told you I think they're
23:14gonna kick Atlanta's ass screaming and and feel pretty damn good because I'm confident they're
23:18gonna wipe away the Atlanta Hawks who have barely any playoff experience outside of CJ McCollum
23:23yelling at me I I can't how do I sound more confident than I am right now I think you
23:28just
23:28keep saying everything that comes out of my mouth is the opposite of what it is if I weren't confident
23:33it definitely sounds like it oh I I'm so man you want to you want to talk about you want
23:38to talk
23:39about confusing right now I am totally confused I am telling you I think they're going to dominate
23:44a series against the Hawks and all you're saying is you sound scared of the Hawks and I agree with
23:48you but I think a lot of people think that you're just you're overcompensating what the shoot worky
23:53has become the shoot worker well he's just saying the opposite it's been a wild March and April man
23:58it's been a wild wild spring I think it's going to be a really nice day tomorrow I think
24:02we might get 70 degrees why are you why are you getting a jacket ready why are you why do
24:06you
24:06think it's gonna be really cold why are you wearing a parka what are you doing 822 I'm gonna get
24:10you
24:10guys on the phones here in a second
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