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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that
00:04over analyzes the dog-eat-dog world of The Apprentice. Coming up I'll be
00:08speaking to the latest candidates to leave the process, Kieran and Rothner.
00:12Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task and look what the cat's dragged in.
00:17I'm joined by presenter Owen Wynne Evans and Apprentice interviewer and
00:22business expert Claudine Collins. This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:30Welcome Claudine and a wine. Oh thanks for having us. Thank you for being here.
00:37The teams this week had to create a new pet lifestyle brand so they did design a
00:42product they to create a social media video and then pitch to retailers.
00:46Claudine what is the secret to a task like this? I think first and foremost you have
00:51to devise a product that is slightly different to what's out there. Something
00:57that people that own that pet would actually want and you really have to believe in it.
01:04You have to be passionate about it. Social media videos got to be a bit funny. The brand
01:09has to be on point with the actual product. So there's a lot of things to get right but
01:15I think first and foremost the product has to be something that is just a little bit outside
01:20of the box from the norm. This was a classic case of cats versus dogs. Where do your alliances lie?
01:27Dog. Dog. I am obsessed with dogs. I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair
01:35but honestly a dog cannot go past me in the street without me saying can I just give it a
01:40little pet?
01:40Okay. What about you Owen? I am a cat person traditionally but I do feel like now I'm
01:48wanting to sit a dip a toe in both camps because I really want a dog but my cat Franny
01:53is 14.
01:54She's an old girl. I just love the complete lack of unconditional love. I love the way that she
02:00looks me up and down and wishes that I wasn't there but you know I don't know if she's you
02:06know I'm very
02:06working I come from very working class background. I can't figure out if the cat is classist or
02:11homophobic. Okay. But there's something about me she doesn't like. It was a bit of a dog fight wasn't
02:16it on team alpha to bag the project manager role. Let's remind ourselves of that. Guys I would also
02:23like to put myself over this PM as a dog owner. I know what dogs love. I've had German Shepherds
02:27growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu so I've had big dogs, small dogs. I can speak
02:33dog.
02:33I can speak dog as well. People call me the dog whisperer. I've got a cockapoo. I had a lab,
02:40rescued a Shih Tzu. I've also had a cat. Cats and dogs, horses, all of it.
02:47Can you speak dog? I can't speak dog. No, not me. But it does feel like we've kind of seen
02:52the last
02:53couple of weeks both Karishma and Pasha have kind of fought to take the reins. Two alphas on team alpha.
03:01Yeah. Yeah. And I think that it was really interesting you know with that exchange that
03:06they both not only wanted to take that role but actually I do think they both seriously love dogs
03:14and they kind of you know are therefore qualified to be the person who's kind of leading a challenge
03:19like that. Yeah. I mean I think the boys just didn't know what had hit them. They're both like looking
03:25from
03:25one to the other going okay yeah I'm not definitely not putting myself forward. It's got to be one of
03:31these boss women. Totally. But yeah they're really kind of like fighting for it. I know. I absolutely
03:36love it. Yeah so do I. I love it. So do I. The team created a talking dog bed. An
03:43innovative idea but
03:44lacking in scientific backing it would appear. Were you guys sold on it? So I actually was sold on it.
03:51I
03:51thought oh my god that's such a good idea. Now as I stated I don't actually have a dog. However
03:58what I do think is they could have adapted it. It could be a soothing sound for the dog when
04:04an ambulance goes past or a big noise goes. So the noise activation. Yes it could have been
04:09adapted to that. So I think that that was a good idea. I thought you know what I was expecting
04:16this
04:16product to be was something that you could send a voice message to as opposed to it being the same
04:23which as we saw on the show gets a little bit repetitive after a while but it's like
04:28hi baby I'll be home soon. Loads of love on heavy rotation. And then it's like this is starting to
04:35wear thin. You said you'd be home soon nine hours ago. So true. You've lost my trust. Literally when
04:42you close the front door upon leaving. Hi baby I'm just gonna pop out. It's so true isn't it.
04:48But actually again they're like makings of something brilliant and the conviction with
04:53which they sold it was also quite admirable I would say. Pasha's attempt to make his spelling
05:02mistake look like a luxury maneuver was was a lesson for the ages. It was superb. I mean even
05:10when a French guy said that it was the wrong spelling she was like no it wasn't. Yeah it was.
05:17If they
05:17would have gone with the confidence of being like right okay for example the word evoke is spelt
05:25not the way you see it on the back of a Range Rover. Yeah. That's a different spelling. Yeah. You
05:29know and very similar with a chic chic thing with this. Poetic license. Poetic license. We've done it
05:34this way because we want it to sound that way but we don't want it to look that way. Also
05:38trademarking.
05:39Trademarking. Much easier you would imagine. And I think it's important that the records state it is
05:44actually the correct spelling in Portuguese. Yes. Okay. Yeah not in English or French obviously.
05:50From one team who knew a lot about pets to another who knew well absolutely nothing. CiarĂ¡n took the
05:57lead due to the deal that he had made with Lord Sugar. Yeah. And it was either win the task
06:02or walk.
06:03Do we think that either Rothnott or Dan would have been better suited as PM on this particular task?
06:09Oh absolutely. I think that I think Dan did a great job in some elements of this task in particular.
06:19I thought he was brilliant whereas I definitely felt like you know CiarĂ¡n was plowing through with
06:24an idea and not really taking on board anything that Rothnott was saying and I really felt for
06:30her actually when I was watching it. And it's interesting because Rothnott flagged early on. Yeah.
06:35She's like CiarĂ¡n sometimes you lack attention to detail so I want to be with you to keep an eye
06:40on
06:40that. Yeah. And she tried but did she need to be a bit more forceful in that? She did. I
06:45mean
06:46the honest truth is I don't think he'd have taken any notice however forceful she was and ultimately
06:51he's project manager so he gets the ultimate say. And her instincts were right. I mean she knew
06:56that cats don't in fact like cheese they like mice and mice like cheese. So she's like there's something
07:02here but it's not quite right. Absolutely. And I don't know many cats that love bananas and apples
07:09either to be fair. The banana nearly sent me. Me too. I mean my cat has never interacted with a
07:14banana. No. Can confirm. Owen do you reckon as a cat dad that Franny would be into this tree banana
07:20aside?
07:21Banana aside I think she would take one look at it and think what the hell is that? And then
07:26much like
07:27she does when I enter the room. I think that she would maybe try the rotating mouse disc thing.
07:37Yeah. That was cute. If they'd have made it something that you know that would fit into a
07:42setting like this you know stylish something a little bit mid-century something that maybe looked
07:46like an indoor plant. Not like an actual tree you know the size of an actual tree anyway. Maybe would
07:54have worked but no Franny would not be interested in that. She wouldn't be interested. I don't think.
07:57Let's talk about the one-man branding team Dan. Because actually left to his own devices.
08:02He was clear. He was enjoying himself. He was assertive. I think Baroness Brady was kind of
08:09impressed. Yeah. He did really well. Listen. He didn't have to confer with anyone. He just did
08:16what he thought. It could have gone hideously wrong. But actually it was really good. I thought it was
08:22a good brand. Good colouring. Yeah. And everyone seemed to like it. And I think the designer who
08:28was working with him. Oh my gosh. There was like smoke coming out of her fingers. He was like right
08:33do that in green. No resize that. No scale that. Yeah. He knew what he wanted and he was doing
08:36it
08:36well. Yeah. What we're after isn't it. Okay we've heard what you guys think. Shall we have a little
08:41listen to what Lord Sugar has to say. He sent me the weekly voice note. Hi Angela. Hello. Now the
08:49market
08:49research spoke for itself. Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree. You don't need to be
08:57a
08:57cat lover to know that if your cat can't physically reach the top of the tree then it's time to
09:03cut it down. That's a good point. Anyway next stops the final five. Let's hope they don't make
09:09a dog's dinner of the interviews. There you go. There you go. He's not wrong is he? He's not wrong.
09:17Common sense went a bit out the window Claudine didn't it. How do you stay focused because I feel
09:22like it is almost with you know the final five in sight that there's you know it can kind of
09:28get into
09:28your head. I think how you have to do it is you literally have to go back to basics and
09:34you have to
09:34kind of write what exactly am I looking to do what am I looking to achieve how am I going
09:40to get there
09:41does this tick all the boxes of what I need it to do and if you'd have gone back to
09:46that it would have
09:47been um actually how does the cat get in there is it too big would it would we be better
09:53making it
09:54smaller do we think it's more attainable then and more will sell so you just almost have to take a
10:00step back out of yourself and kind of start from the beginning and think if there was no like not
10:07so much pressure on me what would I do and that's that's kind of how you have to do it
10:12well it is time
10:13to meet the candidate who made a big deal with the big boss they say every dog has its day
10:18but this was
10:19not kieran's was it let's remind ourselves of the moment that he walked and the message there is
10:24you didn't push him enough you gave in too early let's go walkies
10:32we had a deal we've got a deal
10:36thank you for the opportunity thank you for the opportunity well done kieran all the best guys
10:44it's kieran everybody oh thank you brilliant welcome let's go walkies let's go walkie let's go
10:52talkies iconic i even forgot i said that as well which is hilarious it was quite good that was good
10:58let's talk about the deal that you made with lord sugar how do you considered it like was it planned
11:04when you're about to go back into the boardroom were you like this is what i'm going to throw at
11:07last minute or was it totally spur of the moment um in the caf i was like i've probably got
11:14to figure
11:14something out here to to stay um i thought i was going so i kind of just thought why not
11:20let's give
11:21it some and it just come out are you okay it's when he went through everyone was like do you
11:26want
11:26to make this deal and i was like oh no if someone said yes they might have like they got
11:30the opportunity and i was going yeah but it works it works sort of sort of um the cat tree
11:39the beautiful cat the beautiful cat tree let's talk about it it was pretty large and pretty heavy
11:46in fact we actually couldn't get it here today because i don't have a pickup truck and but a few
11:53points did attempt to interject and you know try to tone it down a bit but you stuck very much
12:01to
12:01your mantra of go big or go home was that a mistake i should have listened to roffner but i'm
12:06like when
12:06i get an idea i'm just like let's do it let's like just go crazy with it um you know
12:11house plants are
12:12normally like five six foot right so well depends on the house plant i suppose yeah i mean maybe it's
12:18not
12:18for flats maybe it is for just nice big homes and houses and big flats tall flats yeah high ceilings
12:25okay okay in hindsight do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except
12:31for maybe listen to rothner i think in that task the only thing i would have done different and and
12:35what it's frowned upon throughout the show is they said don't interject on other people's
12:39negotiations if i would have jumped in on damn we would have won we would have got the extra 1500
12:45they were willing to give other people do interject in the negotiations i know if it went wrong it
12:51would have made me look bad in a lot i mean i had nothing to lose i should have done
12:54it but
12:55yeah when you didn't win you stuck to your bargain you were like okay i'm in i'm out even
13:01and quite an iconic exit claudine owen did you expect that kieran might put up a bit more of a
13:07fight
13:08i did actually i thought that you would i i understand i mean you never got the finger did
13:13you you never got that you were fired but you're saying straight off it this is dan dan lost this
13:19task it was the negotiation from dan yeah yeah so there may have been an opportunity to there
13:24will you know i think that there could have been an opportunity but i'm a man of my word and
13:28i sort
13:28of live by that in my everyday life so you know i think i look good good on you you're
13:33right you made
13:34a deal and you stuck by that deal and you know it may well have been we'll never know may
13:40well have been
13:41the same result if you had fought for it because you were pm like the week before the interviews
13:47but you won't know i'll never know no you'll never know no fun fact you are the candidate who was
13:53brought back to the boardroom the most times yes four that is in total why do you think that was
14:00biggest threat i reckon you know i just think i'm i'm quite loud and out there and i'm quite an
14:07easy
14:08person to blame if it all goes wrong because i'm i put my my ideas out where some people stay
14:12quiet
14:12and don't get noticed as much and how do you think then that you survived that many i think lord
14:18sugar
14:18respects the fact that you go for it and you you do get involved because if you don't get involved
14:23what's the point of being there and he liked you didn't he he said he liked your spirit yeah he
14:28liked
14:29you he could see definitely something in you you know that's why that's how he keeps people in the
14:34process time after time because he can see something if i would have fought my spot i could have stayed
14:39you seemed confident from the get-go were there any moments during the process where you kind of felt a
14:45little less self-assured bottom three is a tough place to be and i was there quite a lot so
14:49i'd say
14:50every bottom three there's there's you know nerves go through like shaking under the table and
14:55and it's when he does that he talks to you and then like drops and talks to someone else you're
14:59like oh my god i thought i was going yeah that was pretty stressful yeah i bet because you could
15:04see behind all of the you know bravado that there were moments where i thought oh god yeah yeah i
15:11feel
15:12like he's gonna cry yeah yeah yeah almost a few times after the bottom phrase yeah i think it was
15:18when dan
15:18said when dan said how's the cat gonna get into that thing you just went oh yeah oh god yeah
15:25i don't think about that yeah let me get a ladder like that's the additional extra they have to pay
15:31for
15:31that yeah absolutely get like a bolt on yeah yeah there you go you buy the tree and then because
15:38my
15:38cat's different fruits you know exactly if your cat isn't into you know apples and bananas berries
15:45they've got a full brand to build right honestly he's not messing around what were your highlights
15:51kieran apart from being recognized as a spirited young chap by the boss my two favorite moments were
15:58both with lawrence actually so it was the carbonara selling on the market in uh greenwich that was
16:04hilarious and then it's gotta be the lads day out in isle of white yeah nice little glass of wine
16:10yeah feed the goats clean the goats up it's done that was great fun well it was great having you
16:17and great watching you thank you so much kieran everybody it is time to meet the candidate who
16:24faced her fear of cats but unfortunately dropped the furball on the task here's the moment she left the
16:30boardroom for good um rothner you sold nothing and at least dan did sell two thousand pieces
16:38so you've been really impressive in this process but i have to tell you that regretfully
16:46your journey is over now you're fired thank you very much for the opportunity good luck ross
16:59thank you it's rothner thank you for having me oh got it got it before you were fired lord sugar
17:09said to you you've been very very impressive was that you know bam to the wound i mean would have
17:16been nice if you hired me but you know what i'm actually really really thankful he said that because
17:21you know throughout that whole process you obviously want to make an impression and she
17:24even had a compliment and then been fired i think he really struggled though didn't he i think he
17:29really struggled between you and dan and really he doesn't often say that to candace so the fact that
17:35he said it to you i would take that as i don't think he's ever said it to me to
17:38be honest i would
17:39take that as like something that i've told to my heart really oh thank you no it really was special
17:45obviously at that you know when you're told you're fired it's just like a blur and anything that
17:50happened before and after you're just in a state of shock um and so hearing that back and him say
17:55that it actually sunk in a little bit so yeah it was a really nice little moment let's talk rothner
18:00about the faithful task had kieran not automatically been made project manager would you have put
18:05yourself forward for this one yes i would have put myself forward because i think you know when you've
18:09got a little bit of fear and at this stage of the process it's all about wanting to maximize what's
18:14in
18:15your control and like obviously we saw when i was building the catchy like kieran kept saying trust
18:20me let my lesson from there but i think if i was pm i definitely would have like 100 said
18:25what i wanted
18:26there and then and like not taking no for an answer and it's hard to do so because when you're
18:30not pm
18:30you don't want to come across as that person that's just constantly like stopping you from progressing
18:34yeah you said that that you wish you were kind of more of a hindrance was there a sense that
18:38maybe
18:40because pets cats weren't your thing that you weren't able to follow the instincts that actually
18:45were leading you towards very sensible questions yeah because i was with dan and you know kieran who
18:51have pets they've had pets all their life and like i haven't i've got a fear of it so for
18:56me the least i
18:57know the better it is for me but then i think i wish i trusted my gut because some of
19:01the things is
19:01pretty self-explanatory right and i think because kieran kept saying trust me trust me i thought you know
19:07what maybe let me just trust him and i guess that that area and when we were in that moment
19:12i honestly
19:13wish i just trusted my gut i really do at least you knew that uh cats don't love cheese and
19:19it was the
19:20mice that love cheese yeah it was that moment i was like oh we're doomed we're flying blind here lads
19:27i had a huge reality check when he looked at me he said cheese i was like oh dear sorry
19:33honestly i think i would have done a better job sorry kieran no i think that's fair enough yeah
19:38you hadn't been back in the boardroom since week one was it easier this time or tougher because you
19:44were so close to the final five in some ways it was a lot harder because you know there was
19:50a lot of
19:50pressure riding on it and you know final five is what all we ever spoke about in the house you
19:55know
19:55like that's where everyone wants to be um week one obviously being brought back it's so early on and
20:00you're kind of fighting for to be noticed you know to be able to show lord she got what you're
20:04made
20:04of and at this point you've kind of shown lord she got what you're made of now it's the business
20:08bit
20:08which is the bit you really care about so yeah it was really hard being in that boardroom and i
20:13guess
20:13you know it i i knew it was do or die in that moment and i tried i tried but
20:19yeah it led to me being
20:20excited week one you coming back into the restaurant reminding everyone you're like we're fighting for
20:27our lives in there it was such an iconic moment everyone was just like oh dear i've just gotten
20:36serious it was beautiful because it was dramatic you know that boardroom in hong kong my god i have
20:42never sweated more in my life i didn't even spend that much in the task that i did in there
20:46and i came
20:47back and i was like i don't know about you guys but i survived something big there and you do
20:51come back
20:51and i think i had that added advantage in that moment to be over everybody else who wasn't in the
20:56boardroom
20:56um you know it's really serious you don't realize how serious the process is until you're sat in
21:01front of lord sugar fighting for your life fighting for your life honestly you were pm for the flower
21:07task again like a really beautiful show i think of of your capability your ability to lead people
21:13was it natural for you that leadership position you know what's really interesting is i think it
21:20came because i really enjoyed the task and i love working with people like in my day job you know
21:24i work in mental health and well-being and i think hearing people's opinions is really important
21:28obviously i ended up going for what i wanted in the end but it's important to like listen to people
21:32and i didn't really quite realize perhaps how good i am at leadership like having such a good win
21:39it was reassuring for me more than anything that i'm capable and i can lead a team to victory
21:43i mean i just needed to believe in myself and i think that you have a really lovely way about
21:48you as
21:49well because you're not like overly aggressive or overly cocky just in a very lovely like way of
21:56making your views known with respect to other people and you know i i really thought that you
22:02came across really well in that and i think everyone said you were a great project manager in that as
22:07well
22:07yeah that was such a hostile moment for me um but thank you that really means a lot
22:10and tim said that you were a calming influence amongst the chaos was there ever a moment that we may
22:17not
22:18have seen where you thought you're going to lose your cool pretty much every week i think i'm just
22:21really great at hiding it honestly i think i think where i what's really important to me is even if
22:28you're panicking as a leader it's so important that you don't show that fun yeah honestly internally
22:34like i am surprised you guys didn't see more of my panic around the cats like inside i thought like
22:39my heart honestly was beating so fast but i just thought if i show it i'll believe that i'm actually
22:45panicking and then everyone else will start panicking and it's so important that you don't
22:49spread that panic on and you contain it from within so yeah there were plenty of moments where i felt
22:53it
22:53but i'm just glad you guys didn't get to see it well it was felt certainly your the loss of
23:00you in the
23:01house when you didn't return karishma particularly very very emotional yeah was that difficult watching
23:09i cried when i watched it it was so hard to watch because honestly she's like a sister to me
23:14like
23:15it's really rare in a competitive environment to really really feel that you know um sisterhood
23:21and like i found a piece of home within her and like what she said the feeling was completely mutual
23:26yeah with karishma i think she's just an absolute boss i've seen this other soft little mellow side to
23:32her i think that's so important like it just shows how human she is and i think we both related
23:36on that
23:37like we can show everybody a cool calm and collected but then we'd get it back into our
23:40rooms and we'd have a little cry and be like this was stressful that was stressful and it's so nice
23:44to share that together so absolutely love her well it's brilliant you're an absolute joy
23:49to watch so thank you so so much it is time for boardroom bangers brace yourselves the part of the
23:56show where our guests provide the soundtrack to the task claudine what have you gone for so i have
24:01gone for something that bearing in mind i was looking at the cat tree thinking what on earth
24:09this is what i've gone for
24:21oh i've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times let me tell you it's a banger isn't it
24:26okay owain what have you gone for well for me the thing that stood out during this episode was the
24:33um fine grasp on the french language or not so i've gone for this
24:52past you should have let the music do the talk i think i think absolutely so yeah let's move on
24:58our
24:59final five now set to face a grilling it is time for the interviews and i've got a little exclusive
25:06um looking back on my plan i think i should um i know i need to allocate a lot more
25:10money
25:10and well how much more um i reckon that's going to cost around 150 000. so why did you put
25:1550 000
25:16um that was you've got no idea really what you're doing have you correct you're not going to produce
25:21a drink for 50 000. you haven't even got a recipe you haven't even got a manufacturer yes i agree
25:27and i
25:28just like you're good at your day job do that try and build the boozy bar up forget the drink
25:32you're
25:32never going to do it okay okay oh my god that couldn't go any worse oh that was i'm shaking
25:46and sweating that broke my heart little little cute that is savage yeah she's brutal honestly yeah now
25:57claudine up until this point i think candidates they can make excuses can't they that certain
26:02tasks aren't suited to their skill set or their experience but now there's absolutely nowhere to
26:07hide how tough is the interview process but please say that's as bad as it gets it is a tough
26:13tough
26:13process we get 45 minutes to an hour with each of them and there are four of us and you
26:19know the
26:20interviewers will find things that even though they'll think we've covered everything we know our
26:25business we will always find things that they haven't thought of it's also interesting that
26:31obviously when we interview that is the first time we've seen them so we haven't seen any of this
26:38we get to know like how many they've won or lost but we don't know how they've performed in the
26:43process
26:44so we are literally seeing them and only meeting them or knowing anything about them the minute that
26:50they walk in that door so you're not swayed by your ideas of their personalities no we have cv
26:56like the business plan and we go through that but we wouldn't know what they were like personality wise
27:01at all and that's so interesting because as a viewer you know at that stage you've built up this kind
27:07of
27:08idea of the person as a whole in your head whereas you just go in there and you have to
27:13base it purely
27:14on what they have absolutely wow that is a wrap gang thank you so much to my brilliant guests claudina
27:20wine rothner and of course kieran yay thank you don't forget to tune in next time for more unfinished
27:28business on bbc2 iplayer or bbc sounds straight after the apprentice when we'll be discussing which
27:34candidates just missed out on a place in the final i'm angela stanlin goodbye
27:41so
28:04you
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