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00:12Coming up on Unidentified...
00:15Oh my gosh, dude.
00:17There's a whole fleet of them.
00:18Never forget those voices.
00:19You know those voices?
00:20I know those guys, yeah.
00:21If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes,
00:23I don't know if I would have believed in either.
00:24It was basically a sphere with a Cuban's eye.
00:26So now these objects have a global presence.
00:30That thing is hauling ass.
00:31That's exactly my point.
00:33The Pentagon has confirmed the existence
00:35of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
00:37that studied UFOs and they released video.
00:40They're all going against the wind.
00:42My gosh.
00:44For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO investigation
00:48for the US military.
00:50But in 2017, he quit in protest.
00:53I put my entire future on the line
00:54because I believe in what I believe in.
00:56Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders.
01:00Their mission?
01:01Reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.
01:04U.S. airspace is being violated
01:06by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities.
01:10This is real and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
01:12If people knew these unidentified vehicles
01:14are operating within minutes of the D.C. area,
01:18they would say, excuse me,
01:20isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?
01:38How's our friend?
01:40Is you okay?
01:41He's really nervous.
01:42We've got him set up in a motel nearby.
01:44Sure.
01:44This is a big moment for him.
01:46He's going to be the first guy on his ship to come out.
01:48He has expressed his desire to have a conversation
01:51about something that seems almost extraordinary.
01:54It can certainly make you nervous.
01:56Lou Elizondo is on his way to meet an active-duty Navy fighter pilot
02:00who's agreed to disclose for the first time details
02:03of an extraordinary series of UFO encounters captured on video
02:07over the Atlantic Ocean in 2015.
02:10With Elizondo is veteran Navy pilot David Fravor,
02:13who says he had a similar UFO encounter in 2004 over the Pacific.
02:17It's great that he's agreed to talk with us.
02:20I would start with, you know, what he was doing that day,
02:22let him tell his story.
02:30Hey, Ryan, how are you? I'm Lou. Nice to meet you.
02:32Nice to meet you, Lou.
02:32It's taken weeks of negotiating to convince the pilot to talk.
02:35Appreciate you taking the time to speak with us.
02:40Elizondo hopes having one of the most respected pilots
02:42in the Navy with him will put the younger pilot at ease.
02:462v1, huh? It's not a fair fight.
02:49Lieutenant Ryan Graves has spent a decade training Navy pilots
02:52and flying bombing missions.
02:54As a combat section lead, he twice deployed to the Middle East
02:57and holds a degree in aerospace engineering.
03:00Go ahead. Let's start from the beginning.
03:01Well, simply put, I don't really know where the beginning is.
03:05In the summer of 2014, Lieutenant Graves was based out of Naval Air Station Oceana
03:10in Virginia Beach.
03:15Lieutenant Graves says his squadron, the Red Rippers,
03:18was running training exercises up and down the East Coast
03:21when they started to pick up mysterious radar tracks.
03:24We didn't really think a lot of them other than the fact that maybe they were just a part of
03:30the radar itself,
03:31not necessarily an actual physical object.
03:33Is there any difference between the aircraft you were flying in 2015
03:37versus what he was flying in 2014?
03:40We had upgraded electronics, radar systems.
03:43It's a generational difference. It's a big deal.
03:45Is it? Okay.
03:46It's a huge increase in capability.
03:47Okay.
03:48The pilots wondered if their new radar system was malfunctioning
03:51until they saw one of the unidentified objects up close.
03:55Walking through that moment, were you there or was it one of your colleagues?
03:58It was one of my colleagues.
03:59Um, so I didn't hear about it until they landed.
04:01Did he give you size, color, texture?
04:04It was basically a cube inside of sphere where the points of the cube, uh,
04:09were touching outside of sphere.
04:13We've got now two different things.
04:14You guys got cubes with balls.
04:16Around the West Coast, we got flying Tic Tacs.
04:20You will sometimes get phantom tracks where it's seeing something that's not there.
04:24That's what we thought they were 100% of the time
04:25until we would see them physically and the entire of them with their eyeballs.
04:29It's not that I'm seeing a bright physical object.
04:32I'm literally just seeing a flash shine out there.
04:35And wherever we were, they were there.
04:36So that could mean two things.
04:38That could mean they were already there or they were following the strike group.
04:43By 2015, Lieutenant Graves claims his pilots
04:46were encountering bizarre craft almost every time they flew.
04:49You know, it's one thing if one person sees one of these objects,
04:52like, okay, that's crazy.
04:54When you go out there every day and you see them
04:56and your brothers and sisters and other squadrons are seeing them,
04:59you know, it's like, okay, well, this is probably some type of, uh,
05:02maybe drone thing or something that they're testing out.
05:05It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two aircraft
05:08at a close range, probably within 150 feet,
05:11that it was starting to get worrisome.
05:14Lieutenant Graves says when one of the objects
05:16nearly caused a terrifying mid-air collision,
05:21senior pilots in his squadron decided to act.
05:24At this point, we're like, something needs to be done.
05:26We submitted a safety report to the Navy Safety Center.
05:30They've been seeing these things for two months.
05:32Multiple people have seen them.
05:33Multiple people have tracked them.
05:34You get one that splits a section,
05:37enough to send out your mishap report to the Safety Center.
05:40Did anyone contact you and say what is going on?
05:44No.
05:44No investigation, no nothing?
05:46No.
05:49We have a video I'd like you to see.
05:51Without telling you anything about it,
05:54I'm going to be curious your thoughts,
05:56uh, and you can tell me what you see.
05:58These three UFO videos were released by the Pentagon.
06:02The one on the left has already been identified
06:04as the 2004 incident involving David Fravor.
06:08The source of the other two had remained a mystery.
06:15This video has come to be known as Go Fast
06:17and shows an object speeding just above the water.
06:22The other is known as Gimbal.
06:24The sensor is on a Gimbal underneath the aircraft
06:28and it can rotate to maintain a track.
06:31They're all going against the wind.
06:33My gosh.
06:39Never forget those voices.
06:41You know those voices?
06:41I know those guys, yeah.
06:42It's a breakthrough in the investigation.
06:44For the first time,
06:46a pilot has confirmed that the two unidentified videos,
06:49Gimbal and Go Fast,
06:50were taken by Navy jets from the Theodore Roosevelt.
06:52We're getting ready for our deployment,
06:54so we do work-ups along the eastern seaboard,
06:57and these objects kind of came with us.
06:59Lieutenant Graves says both Gimbal and Go Fast
07:01were filmed within weeks of each other,
07:03over the Atlantic off Jacksonville, Florida.
07:07And as Lieutenant Graves' squadron was preparing
07:09to deploy to the Middle East,
07:11they were seeing so many mysterious objects,
07:13they started sharing the videos
07:15when they got back on ship.
07:17They were obviously very excited about what happened,
07:19and then they were heading down
07:20to watch the full video in its entirety.
07:22There's parts of this video that we can talk about
07:24that aren't here.
07:25Let's walk through that.
07:26So this object was significantly larger
07:30than the ones you're used to seeing.
07:31Lieutenant Graves says the Gimbal video
07:33is just part of a longer, higher-resolution video
07:36he was shown on the ship.
07:37It included several smaller craft,
07:39the kind he was more familiar with.
07:42They were essentially flying themselves
07:43in a formation.
07:45And then behind those was the object
07:49that you kind of see here,
07:50and not the world's greatest drawer,
07:52but as you can see here,
07:53it almost looks like a gyroscope, right?
07:55The way it moves,
07:56the points coming out of the top and the bottom
07:58of what appears to be a disk
08:00or at least a central mass on the object.
08:02So these objects were proceeding in one direction.
08:05The five, at some point,
08:07basically just turned themselves around
08:09with some type of radius to turn as a unit
08:12and started flying in that direction.
08:14At this time is pretty much where you see this video,
08:17where these are now out of the picture,
08:18and it's just this guy that's stationary.
08:20Is that why they refer to them
08:22as there's a whole fleet of them?
08:23Yep.
08:23Okay.
08:25So there wasn't a whole fleet of these.
08:26There was just all these little guys.
08:28And then there's the one object
08:29which we had never seen before,
08:30which was significantly larger.
08:32Lieutenant Graves says the way the larger craft
08:34suddenly rotates at 90 degrees
08:36is unlike anything he had ever seen.
08:40It's rotating.
08:42It's just basic airplane physics.
08:43When your wings are underneath you and you're flying along,
08:46you have 100% of your lift.
08:48And if you turn yourself all the way like this,
08:50kind of knife-blading,
08:51you have none of the lift that your wings would provide you.
08:54So the fact that he would just get himself on his wing tip
08:57with no turn by staying at the exact same point
09:00isn't how aircraft work.
09:02Ryan Graves is an aerospace engineer when he's not a pilot.
09:07So when Ryan is telling you that there is something up there
09:10that he doesn't know how it works,
09:12and it is not one of our aircraft,
09:16you need to listen.
09:18What's fascinating and interesting about these objects
09:20is that they're up there when we take off.
09:22They're doing their thing for our hour, hour and a half,
09:25maybe two-hour flight.
09:26And then we land,
09:28and my buddy that takes off an hour later
09:30has seen the same things.
09:32This is important.
09:34Now we're looking at something that can stay stationary
09:36over a geographic point in 120 knots of wind.
09:40We're all going against the wind.
09:41The wind's 120 knots of wind.
09:43Can rotate around,
09:45and then can accelerate above supersonic.
09:48As a Top Gun guy,
09:50have you seen something like that before?
09:53No.
09:54No, I'm...
09:55I'm...
09:56I'm pretty baffled right now.
09:58Coming up on Unidentified.
10:01What Lieutenant Graves says next
10:03stuns Elizondo in favor.
10:05At least 50 or 60 people.
10:06I've talked to people from other squadrons
10:08since the same story.
10:09And even more startling
10:10is where the UFOs appeared next.
10:19There are people out there that you know right now
10:22that you can pick up the phone,
10:23and they would say,
10:24yeah, that was something that we routinely encountered.
10:28Probably at least 50 or 60.
10:30Yeah.
10:3050 or 60 individuals.
10:32Easily.
10:33Lou Elizondo and veteran Navy fighter pilot
10:36David Fravor are learning new details
10:38about an extraordinary case caught on camera.
10:41It's rotating.
10:44Active duty Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves
10:47says a fleet of UFOs followed his carrier
10:50from the summer of 2014 into 2015 off the East Coast.
10:57The reason Lieutenant Graves is speaking out
10:59is because he's concerned about his comrades
11:02and he's concerned about national security.
11:04And he's seeing a system which is failing to react.
11:09Chris Mellon is a former deputy assistant
11:11Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
11:13If people in the D.C. area knew
11:14that within minutes of their location,
11:18these unidentified vehicles are operating seemingly
11:21without regard to our air defense capabilities,
11:26operating at will just minutes from the nation's capital,
11:28I think they would say,
11:29uh, excuse me,
11:31isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?
11:34The incidents had disturbed Lieutenant Graves
11:36and his fellow pilots.
11:38But what happened in the months following
11:40would raise the stakes even higher.
11:44In March 2015,
11:46the Theodore Roosevelt was deployed
11:47to the Arabian Gulf,
11:49when suddenly Lieutenant Graves says
11:51the UFOs reappeared.
11:53We did have issues with them
11:54when we actually went out to the Middle East,
11:56not in the transit,
11:57but once we actually settled out into the Middle East.
12:03In the Middle East,
12:05one of the targets of U.S. firepower
12:07was the Russian-allied Syrian government.
12:10Were the unidentified objects tracking the Navy jets
12:13actually next-generation Russian drones?
12:18No one really knows, you know, what they are,
12:20but if it was an aircraft, if it was a MiG,
12:23if it was, uh, any type of enemy aircraft,
12:27it would probably be a pretty big deal.
12:29That airspace is exclusive-use airspace
12:31that we use out there, uh, over the ocean
12:33for tens of F-18s going every day.
12:37You know, we've got these things showing up,
12:38you've got these things showing up
12:39that are following the ship,
12:41and no one's like...
12:41No one seems really curious.
12:42...at least pulling the data to go,
12:44you know, if ten F-18s come back and say,
12:46yeah, we're seeing these things all over,
12:47you would think someone would prompt to go,
12:49hey, what is going on?
12:50So, you have objects off the coast of San Diego,
12:54you have objects potentially off the coast of Virginia,
12:58and these objects now somewhere over the Middle East.
13:01Now these objects have potentially a global presence,
13:05not a regional presence,
13:07a global presence to be wherever they want to be.
13:10Yeah.
13:11I'm fascinated that over 60 people have seen these things,
13:14and it's just become, like, the accepted norm.
13:17I appreciate what you guys are doing,
13:19trying to hunt down these answers from guys like me.
13:23You know, if there's anybody else
13:25who has had some interesting experiences like this,
13:28we'd love to know.
13:29We want to know what this is.
13:39In the 2004 Nimitz incident,
13:42Navy pilots went head-to-head with a tic-tac-shaped object.
13:47Ten years later,
13:49the Roosevelt pilots say they encountered three different craft.
13:55A cube inside a sphere,
13:58a large disc-shaped UFO,
14:00and a smaller round object captured here.
14:03We used to call them Foo Fighters.
14:05That's what they used to call unidentified flying objects
14:07during World War II that the old guy saw.
14:10During the war,
14:11mysterious flying objects were reported by American pilots
14:15over Europe and the Pacific.
14:17These Foo Fighters were often described as small spheres,
14:21similar to what was seen by the Roosevelt pilots 70 years later.
14:26We seem to be dealing with more than one phenomenon,
14:28where they're from, who's operating, what their intent is.
14:31Maybe there are, in fact,
14:32multiple sources that are competing and contending
14:35that are developing these craft.
14:37In either case,
14:38it's hard to find a prosaic explanation
14:43for a carrier battle group being shadowed
14:46by unidentified aircraft all the way across the Atlantic
14:50to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East.
14:55It makes an extremely compelling case
14:58for the existence of technologies
15:00that we didn't even think were possible.
15:04So, Jets, we're going to play the video.
15:06I'd like your opinions on what we're seeing, play by play.
15:08The Navy's UFO videos are so potentially explosive
15:11that Elizondo wants an independent analysis
15:13of what exactly they show.
15:15I'm going to sit down right here.
15:17Retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel Chris Cook
15:19spent a career flying fighter jets.
15:21Ross Amer flew commercial aircraft for decades
15:24and consults for the National Transportation Safety Board.
15:28I don't want to give you too much information
15:31on these videos up front.
15:32I think it's important that we look at this information
15:34without too much background.
15:37Elizondo's already asked them to analyze
15:39the 2004 footage from the Nimitz.
15:41But now he wants their take
15:42on the two videos from the Roosevelt in 2015.
15:49The Go Fast video is 33 seconds long
15:52and shows a round craft
15:53that appears to be streaking across the ocean's surface.
16:19That thing is hauling ass.
16:20That's exactly my point.
16:21It's a little less than two thirds of speed assumed.
16:24But how is the craft able to fly so fast?
16:27The infrared sensor shows the object is cold.
16:30If this were some type of aircraft
16:32with a conventional propulsion system,
16:36we would definitely see some type of heat signature.
16:39Everything we know about propulsion systems
16:41is they create an intense amount of heat.
16:44Typically when an airplane moves out of the way
16:47or tries to maneuver or evade,
16:51it will typically go to full power.
16:54And everything we know about propulsion systems
16:56is they create an intense amount of heat.
16:59Afterburner, in particular for the F-18,
17:03you know, can extend 30 feet behind the airplane.
17:06So if it was a conventional type aircraft,
17:10you would most definitely see some type of an IR signature plume
17:15behind the airplane.
17:16Interesting. Yep.
17:17Well, and that seems to me, as a layperson,
17:20I mean, I don't know how far that thing is away,
17:22but it seems kind of sudden.
17:23It seems like it's all of a sudden here
17:26and starts to drift to the left and then...
17:29Boom. Boom. Out of the way.
17:31Gone. Out of the way.
17:32Now, here's the interesting part of this geometric problem
17:35is if it is close, that for that object to move,
17:40if it is at a, you know, a pretty significant range,
17:43for it to move off that quickly, that's very fast.
17:48And if it's far away to move that quickly...
17:51Even faster.
17:52It's even faster.
17:54Wow.
17:55Uh, very, very interesting.
17:57There is no known aircraft that can stay aloft for long
17:59without a source of lift and propulsion.
18:07The gimbal video is even more baffling to the experts.
18:11It shows a craft midair that rotates
18:13into a near-perpendicular position to the ground.
18:18It is a f***ing drone, bro.
18:21There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.
18:24My gosh.
18:27They're all going against the wind.
18:28The wind's 120 knots from the west.
18:31The whole thing, dude.
18:32It's rotating.
18:34The strange way the object turns in midair confuses both experts.
18:38It is definitely rotating, it appears to be, or, you know, changing angle of bank.
18:44And it appears to have stopped moving quickly across the horizon.
18:48And yet, it doesn't lose any altitude.
18:50It doesn't seem to be dropping.
18:53Sadly, with all the experience that you think we have, I can't figure it out.
18:59Well, I certainly can, Chris.
19:01No.
19:02I have no idea.
19:03I've always kind of been skeptical about aliens and, you know, UFOs and things like that.
19:09But I've never seen anything remotely like what I saw today.
19:14I'm a lot more convinced now that these vehicles do exist.
19:19Coming up on Unidentified.
19:21First three words that spring to mind are bizarre, incredible, and unacceptable.
19:41Good morning, Lou.
19:42Welcome.
19:43How are you doing today?
19:44Very well, thanks.
19:46Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon, has convinced
19:50a powerful group of lawmakers to meet with him about ongoing military encounters with UFOs.
19:56But first, Lou Elizondo is briefing him on the latest breakthrough in their investigation.
20:00What I'd like to do is show you a short highlight of an interview that we did recently with an
20:05active-duty pilot.
20:07Elizondo had convinced a Navy pilot to go public with the story behind two unidentified Pentagon UFO videos captured off
20:14Florida.
20:15Where the Nimitz was occurring in the Pacific, we have now very similar incidents occurring in the Atlantic.
20:24Before I say any more, why don't we just watch a few minutes here?
20:35Lieutenant Ryan Graves described how UFOs appear to follow his carrier strike group from the summer of 2014 into 2015.
20:42It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two aircraft at a close range, probably within 150 feet,
20:48that it was starting to get worrisome.
20:51Well, I'll tell you the first three words that spring to mind are bizarre, incredible, and unacceptable.
20:59If that wasn't interesting enough, these incidents were encountered near the United States, and as they made their way to
21:05the Middle East AOR, they encountered these things again, almost like they were being stalked.
21:10You know, as a former intelligence person, I'm a little frustrated that we spend $50 billion a year to try
21:18to avert strategic surprise.
21:20And then we have vehicles with extraordinary capabilities that may be surveilling one of our aircraft carrier battle groups,
21:27and nobody's taking action to find out where these things are coming from and what they're doing there.
21:34Lieutenant Graves' squadron had filed a report to the Naval Aviation Safety Office.
21:39But he says nothing was done about what they'd come to see as a serious threat.
21:45There were innumerable radar contacts and sightings over an eight-week period all the way across the Atlantic,
21:53as many as perhaps 60 naval personnel who had eyes on either on radar screens or visually in the air.
22:00So the evidence is sort of the tip of the iceberg, if you will.
22:06I think your friends on the Hill may be very surprised to know that these incidents have continued as recently
22:13as 2015.
22:15Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, these are guys that are trying to work through the system.
22:19They're not outside the system sort of throwing grenades in order to get their way.
22:25They're trying to get Congress on board.
22:27They're trying to get more of the Pentagon leadership to pay attention.
22:31But because they are bound by their oath to protect classified information, they need to be careful.
22:36Mellon wants to show the video of Lieutenant Graves to his contacts and powerful congressional committees that oversee national security.
22:43He hopes the lieutenant's dramatic story will get Congress to acknowledge these incidents are real and take action.
22:50But Mellon knows he has to be careful.
22:53Talking about UFOs carries the decades-long stigma of flying saucers and alien visitors.
22:58The alien angle on this is the biggest impediment to progress.
23:02I agree.
23:03And I want to steer as far clear of that as possible in any discussions.
23:07This is an issue of unknown aircraft that appear to be surveilling the fleet in significant numbers over prolonged periods
23:16of time.
23:17They're being observed by large numbers of pilots.
23:21The observations are confirmed by our sensor systems.
23:26And nobody seems to be taking action.
23:30And here we have multiple mysterious aircraft with absolutely stunning sort of unprecedented capabilities
23:38flying in restricted military airspace in close proximity to carrier battle groups working up for deployments in the Middle East.
23:47And the Congress isn't being informed.
23:49The upper echelons of the department are not being informed.
23:52Senior people in the intelligence community don't seem to be getting the message.
23:56And nobody's responding.
23:58Maybe at the end of the day we'll find a personal, a simple, reasonable explanation.
24:02Maybe we'll find out it was some special classified program.
24:06We can pop a bottle of champagne and we can celebrate our breakthrough.
24:10And that's great, right?
24:11I have faith that the leadership in this country does want to do something about it.
24:15I think that they do want to know about this.
24:17I think that there are challenges that we have internally,
24:20probably in part because of stigma, probably in part because of other things,
24:26that for some reason this information isn't getting trickled up to the right levels for attention.
24:33I'm going to fold this up and get out of your hair.
24:36Thank you, Lou. Great job. Great work.
24:38Elizondo hands Mellon a tablet with a clip from the interview.
24:41And he heads to a closed door meeting on Capitol Hill.
24:47Not everybody recalls from their civic lesson that it's the Congress, not the executive branch,
24:53that raises and maintains the military and is responsible for their organization and funding.
25:00And they can't do that effectively if they don't know what the threats are out there.
25:08Over the decades, Congress has made sporadic attempts to tackle the UFO issue with little result.
25:14In 1966, House Minority Leader Gerald Ford called for hearings after a rash of UFO sightings in his Michigan district.
25:23Two years later...
25:24Beings that come from the sky, that are worried about us, that are powerful...
25:28Astronomer Carl Sagan told the House Committee on Science and Aeronautics that investigating UFOs was a valid pursuit.
25:34And Project Blue Book's J. Allen Hynek testified that he hoped respected scientists would study his UFO reports.
25:41How many really mysterious incidents are there that you'd like to go back and look at again?
25:47Well, as I mentioned in the hearings this morning, I have picked some 20 which have possible scientific hatred in
25:53them.
25:53But Project Blue Book was closed down a year later.
25:56And Hynek's dream would have to wait.
26:01Fifty years later, Elizondo and Mellon are again pushing Congress to take notice.
26:06What's the word?
26:07Oh, good meeting. Really good meeting.
26:09Lawmakers had already heard from the USS Nimitz pilots during a closed-door meeting earlier in the year.
26:14It's getting a lot more attention now.
26:16We, as a military, we as an institution, we as an American people, we should take this seriously.
26:23They recognized that the Nimitz incident was not an isolated incident.
26:27Yeah, absolutely.
26:28That there's a trend.
26:29Absolutely.
26:29Excellent, excellent.
26:30And they'd like to hear as more people come forward and approach us, they're interested in hearing what they have
26:34to say also.
26:35Now, Mellon's Washington contacts have told him they want to meet directly with Lieutenant Graves and any other pilot in
26:41his squadron who's willing to speak up.
26:46Carl Sagan once famously said about UFOs, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
26:52He was absolutely right.
26:55But now we have the proof.
26:57The question now is will people look at the evidence and are they able to process it?
27:08Lieutenant Ryan Graves has just described, for the first time, a terrifying series of encounters over the Atlantic between UFOs
27:15and the U.S. Navy.
27:18He says a fleet of UFOs stalked his squadron for months off the East Coast and even followed them to
27:24the Middle East.
27:32From my experience on the East Coast, tens, if not a hundred people have had this issue.
27:41Really, the issue is that there's no real means of communication to kind of express that information.
27:46So what'll happen is you'll see something interesting and you'll show your buddies, including your skipper, and that's really where
27:54the conversation ends.
27:55Graves says his fellow pilots saw at least three different shapes of UFOs.
28:00Now, a second eyewitness is coming forward.
28:07What's up, buddy?
28:08Hey, what's up, man?
28:09How you doing?
28:09Good.
28:10How are you?
28:11Doing well, dude.
28:15I'm a very keep things close to the chest kind of guy.
28:18I trust him.
28:19We've flown together.
28:20We deployed together.
28:22And so when Lieutenant Graves was saying he's got some people interested in talking to us, I was willing to
28:28help him out.
28:29Many of these pilots have hundreds if not several thousands of flying hours.
28:34It's not in their interest to make this stuff up because professionally it could be very damaging to them.
28:41In 2015, Lieutenant Graves and Lieutenant Danny Acoyne were training to deploy to the Middle East.
28:51What was the first thing you thought when you saw her that actually there is actually something there?
28:56First time you see it on the radar could possibly be a false track, but then when you start to
29:00get multiple sensors reading the exact same thing,
29:03and then you get to see a display, that solidifies it for me.
29:08Again and again, the pilots were capturing bizarre-shaped objects on their F-18s cameras.
29:16Two of the videos would be released to the public.
29:19One would come to be known as GoFast.
29:21The other was called Gimbal.
29:23Really no distinct wings, no distinct tail, no distinct exhaust plume, much like you see in the Gimbal video.
29:33It seemed like they were aware of our presence because they would actively move around us.
29:39Lieutenant Graves was in the air the day the Gimbal video was recorded.
29:43We came back, we landed, and we got back to the ready room.
29:47We were getting our gear off and we were like, dude, Diego, check this video out.
29:50It's civic.
29:52We're all going against the wind. The wind's a hundred and point out from the west.
29:56We'll do this thing.
29:57His flight path doesn't look like it moves at all.
29:59Yeah, his flight path doesn't change. The altitude's not changing.
30:02So it's basically just rotating in some fashion, at least from my perspective.
30:05No, I'd say the same thing. That's definitely not a maneuver I've pulled before.
30:11According to the pilots, the GoFast video was captured several weeks later off Florida's east coast.
30:23So, do you think that's the same air crew as the first one?
30:27Both videos appear to feature the same voices.
30:33That's led to questions whether they were faked.
30:36On the one hand, you could say, well, you know, it makes it more credible because you're hearing in the
30:41moment how surprised these military pilots are.
30:46At the same time, it probably increases the chances to think somebody could have spliced in the audio to make
30:50it sound more credible.
30:52That is the same air crew because I recognize my buddy's voices.
30:56Yeah. Yes, I think a lot of people will.
30:59I definitely recognize the voices of both the Wizzo on both of them.
31:03And then the pilot and I were really good friends inside and outside of work.
31:07Our families spent a lot of time together.
31:12I don't know what this thing is. I don't know. This one's weird to me. I don't really know how
31:15to describe it.
31:16Could it have been a drone? I think, yes, it could have been.
31:19Whatever it was was small, which is why it was difficult to pick up visually.
31:24Despite their seemingly incredible capabilities, neither pilot can disregard the possibility that whatever was captured on both videos
31:31was either a technology controlled by the U.S. military or one of America's enemies.
31:37Is there anything that you know of that could make turns like that?
31:42Um, I don't know. I don't know how deep I want to go down that path right now.
31:50In 2015, the commander of the Roosevelt Strike Group was Rear Admiral Andrew L. Lewis.
31:57Lieutenant Graves was there when the Admiral came below deck to watch one of the videos.
32:01So I stayed in the room in the Civic because I heard the Admiral was coming down to check the
32:05video out.
32:05We've been dealing with this for a while. Let's see what he says about this save.
32:08And he walked into the room and I see him just look at video for like five seconds.
32:14Just go, huh, and walk out. And that was it.
32:19Could the mysterious craft have been part of a secret test program?
32:23Or were they sent by a foreign adversary, a so-called red threat?
32:27If it's some red threat, that would be enormous.
32:30If it was someone operating drones out there, that would be enormous too.
32:35Because someone's going to have a midair and you're going to lose an aircraft.
32:36If it's something totally outside of that, then, you know, obviously the implications for that are enormous as well.
32:42Nobody wants to go to the Admiral and say, sir, we're screwed.
32:47There's this aircraft that just got under the wire and we didn't even know they were there.
32:51And they've been there, you know, before.
32:55There is definitely this fear that either an adversary or someone else has developed a technology.
33:04And every defense system we have developed over decades to protect our forces is irrelevant.
33:10And that's a scary thought if you're in the military.
33:13We're just trying to figure out exactly what we saw.
33:17If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I don't know if I would have believed it either.
33:29Coming up on Unidentified.
33:32What happens when it's behaving in a way that these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue?
33:38Well, that's when you start seeing the expletives come over the radio.
33:47Hey, what's up?
33:48Hey, Steve.
33:49Listen, I was going through my notes.
33:51I was wondering if maybe I could share a few thoughts with you, get your opinion on a few things.
33:55Yeah, yeah.
33:56Lou Elizondo's investigation has raised a critical question.
33:59Why were the UFOs captured in all three F-18 videos, seen near U.S. Navy carrier strike groups, even
34:06following one of them into a war zone?
34:10How do you know that a foreign adversary hasn't leapfrogged us in technology by a generation?
34:17How do you know we're not just seeing the new jet of the future?
34:20If anyone might know the answer, it's Steve Justice.
34:23In his three decades at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, he helped design some of America's most advanced attack aircraft.
34:30Why would it be near carrier battle group?
34:33Okay, so what was the carrier doing at the time?
34:36Workups?
34:37Yep, it was doing workups.
34:38Okay, ready for deployment.
34:40Okay, and so would that be something an adversary would want to see?
34:43Damn well we want to know, yeah.
34:45I want to know anything and everything that our foreign adversaries are doing.
34:47And a workup is a perfect place to do it.
34:50Right, because comms and everything are being used.
34:52Well, and you're going to see that thing working as it's working in the field and that's what I want
34:56to know.
34:56Right.
34:57But what happens when you don't have the pilots recognizing what it is and it's behaving in a way that
35:02these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue.
35:05Well that's when you start seeing the expletives come over the radio.
35:09That's fair, expletives.
35:15A foreign adversary can't just send in a typical reconnaissance aircraft because we won't let them into our area.
35:21They would have to send in something that's super, super low observable, something that is super sophisticated and fast that
35:26can get in, look at what it is we're doing and then get back out, right?
35:31I mean, we want that capability, so why wouldn't a foreign adversary?
35:34Yeah.
35:35You know, that's why I continue to doggedly pursue these what-if scenarios.
35:39My greatest fear is that an adversary did figure it out and we are just way, way, way, way, way
35:46behind.
35:48In their work inside highly classified programs, both Elizondo and Justice had access to much more information than they're able
35:56to reveal.
35:56I think we owe it to ourselves. I think we owe it to everybody that is relying on us to
36:02collect the information and be fair and objective, right?
36:04I'm really desperately trying to do that. But at the same time I feel a little disingenuous because sometimes, you
36:12know, I might have, I might have inside knowledge.
36:15There's a lot of stuff that you have to leave partitioned off, okay?
36:18But I would say there's just too many pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense and it represents a
36:26set of capabilities that seem new to everybody in the community.
36:32If these aircraft had Russian or Chinese markings on them and they were zipping in and out of an aircraft
36:37carrier battle group, there would be a budget, you know, the size of this building designed to get to the
36:43bottom of how do they develop that and how do we replicate it and how do we defeat it?
36:46But none of that is happening here, as far as we can tell.
36:49If these craft were sent by a foreign adversary, Elizondo says that threat would need to be reported to lawmakers.
36:56If anybody had this leapfrog technology, this would be a national intelligence collection priority, period.
37:02All hands on deck, Congress would be engaged, but we know that's not the case.
37:05We know that is a fact because we're talking to the highest levels of Congress, we're feeding them information.
37:11We know Congress is just as surprised by this as Joe Q. Public.
37:14Yeah.
37:15So, I mean, that is, that for me is, I mean, that's a deal.
37:18And if that's why I'm saying, if it is a foreign capability going on and this isn't occurred, dude, heads
37:22are going to roll.
37:24That's illegal.
37:24There's laws against that.
37:26You have to inform Congress.
37:29Something allegedly has been stalking America's nuclear-powered carrier strike groups.
37:33But neither Lou Elizondo or Steve Justice believe it's an enemy we know.
37:38I want to be careful we're not belligerent, you know, saying the Russians, the Chinese, that they're the big bad
37:41enemy.
37:42Because when it comes to this phenomenon, they're really not.
37:47They're in the same boat we're in.
37:53Hey, man.
37:54Unfortunately, I'm no longer interested in communicating about the matter we discussed earlier.
37:59I hope you can understand this.
38:01Good luck with everything.
38:03He's, uh, he's spooked.
38:04This is the second guy in a week now that was part of that effort, uh, on the Roosevelt in
38:092015 that we've lost.
38:13Lou Elizondo convinced Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves to go public about his squadron's extraordinary encounters with UFOs.
38:22I've had conversations with friends from other squadrons and just, hey, there's stuff out there.
38:27I hope we don't hit it now because they're out there enough where someone could potentially have a midair.
38:31Something needs to be done.
38:32But after months of trying to persuade other pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt to speak out, Elizondo's hit a
38:39wall.
38:42The jet's weapons systems officer allegedly heard throughout the Roosevelt videos.
38:47There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.
38:49Has backed out of an interview.
38:50The person's voice you hear in that video, that is the guy, um, that we were in contact with.
38:58This had the potential to really help shed light to get a better handle of what's going on.
39:04Kind of sucks, actually.
39:09While there are allegedly more than 50 Navy personnel who witnessed these UFOs,
39:14nearly all are afraid to come forward.
39:21So how you been, man?
39:22Good.
39:23So, uh, how you feeling about this?
39:25Uh, I'm feeling pretty good.
39:27But Lieutenant Ryan Graves has been summoned to the nation's capital
39:30for a closed-door meeting with members of Congress responsible for national security.
39:35They want to hear what happened when a fleet of UFOs appeared to stalk his carrier strike group.
39:42I'm not here to speculate or guess what it is.
39:44I can just simply provide as many facts as I can about this.
39:48The fact that Lieutenant Graves is willing to put his career at risk
39:52and speak out publicly about this while he's still active-duty military
39:56really speaks volumes about the frustration in trying to work through the system.
40:01One can only hope that his courage will be rewarded and that people will pay attention.
40:07What would you like to walk away with at the end of this meeting you're about to have today?
40:11There's two issues here.
40:12One, uh, people aren't paying attention.
40:16And two, uh, there's a credibility problem, uh, and a stigma related to this.
40:21By observing hard facts and data from professionals and from our sensor systems,
40:27we can bring this to light in such a way that you can't just refute by saying,
40:31I don't believe you.
40:33Man, I hope you get a chance to tell him that.
40:37Like Lieutenant Graves, Lou Elizondo made his own decision to speak out
40:42when he quit the Pentagon's secret UFO unit in 2017.
40:46I think what Lou Elizondo and others have done is kind of break that mold a little bit
40:52where it's okay to talk about this stuff.
40:54I mean, I've asked members of Congress about it, and they will tell me,
40:57yeah, you know, there may be something to this.
41:01There's also a new generation of members of Congress.
41:04They're younger. They're more open-minded.
41:05They're not afraid to ask tough questions.
41:09I think we're now seeing a generation of elected leaders,
41:13but also national security officials who are more willing to talk about this issue
41:16and don't see it as much as a third rail.
41:20I think ultimately it's a discussion the American people have to have with themselves
41:23and then tell your political leaders what you expect and what you want done.
41:33Lieutenant Graves' secret meeting lasted 90 minutes.
41:36It was off any public schedule and unknown to members of the press.
41:39How'd it go?
41:40It seems like they recognize there is an issue,
41:43and they generally want to figure out what it is.
41:45His account was heard by members of the congressional committees
41:48that oversee national security, as well as a team from the Defense Department.
41:56At what point was it that people just stopped being interested in, you know, unexplained things?
42:01I mean, that's kind of what drives us, right?
42:03We get out there and, you know, we're learning new things.
42:06At least that's what drives me.
42:07We're trying to explore the unknown.
42:10To see something every day and just kind of brush it aside and not want to raise the question about,
42:16hey, you know, this is curious, maybe we should figure something out about this.
42:20It's just extremely frustrating that potentially whether this is some type of threat,
42:25you know, globally here, if we have some type of, you know, red air threat that's out there,
42:30gathering our waveforms and our tactics or something else, you know, if we're not curious, then what are we?
42:39On the next Unidentified.
42:41I didn't really want to talk about it, but I guess the cat's out of the bag.
42:46Whatever these UFOs were, wherever they're from, they had an intense interest in anything nuclear.
42:52Tell me what you experienced back in 1980.
42:55The on-duty police lieutenant came in, white as a sheet, and he said,
42:58we saw lights in the forest, there was something out there.
43:02I'm observing what appears to be a beam coming down to the ground.
43:05I'm thinking, is this some kind of communication?
43:07I couldn't believe what was happening.
43:09They didn't want the world to know, which is kind of scary,
43:14because you don't know what else they're covering up.
43:15I didn't want the world to know.
43:16The person, the local 4th century has hit me.
43:17this experience is so ngo dry now.
43:17I couldn't believe that here.
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