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00:12Coming up on Unidentified.
00:13Before I knew it, I had these objects raining out of the sky, choo-choo-choo-choo.
00:17It was raining UFOs.
00:19It wasn't an event. It was events.
00:22A helicopter arrived, they requested all the data recording.
00:25There's things right off Catalina that the U.S. military continue to encounter.
00:30We don't know what they are. We have an obligation to try to figure it out.
00:34We are getting our asses kicked. If these things are hostile, then we're screwed.
00:39The Pentagon has confirmed the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
00:44that studied UFOs, and they released video.
00:47There's a whole speed of it. My gosh.
00:50For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO program for the U.S. military.
00:56But in 2017, he quit in protest.
00:59I put my entire future on the line because I believe in what I believe in.
01:03Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders.
01:06Their mission, reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.
01:10U.S. airspace is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities.
01:17It's fascinating.
01:18This is real, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
01:21Get your government to do what it's supposed to do and find out what this is.
01:24Wake up. This is real. Wake up.
01:40The gentleman we're going to talk to today, his name is Kevin Day.
01:44He was on board the USS Princeton the day of the Nimitz incident.
01:49And he's now coming forward to say, I saw something, I experienced something, I witnessed something that was remarkable.
01:57It's going to be really interesting if he corroborates some of the pilot's testimony.
02:03Kevin Day is the very first person who noticed these anomalous things in the sky.
02:10The further away we got from the city and the more remote it became, the more I realized that this
02:17is a person who decided to get away.
02:20And get away for a long time.
02:24Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLonge are on their way to interview a third military eyewitness to an alleged mass UFO
02:30sighting.
02:31A Navy veteran who says he has critical new information about the event.
02:51Hello.
02:51It's your day, sir.
02:52It must be Lou.
02:53I am Lou. How are you, sir?
02:54Come on in, guys.
02:54Thanks. This is Tom.
02:56How are you, bud? I'm Tom.
02:57Hi, Tom. Nice to meet you, man.
02:57Nice to meet you as well.
02:59I didn't know you were at the Top Gun course.
03:00Yeah.
03:01The air controllers go through school with the pilots.
03:03Getting them to the fight and back without getting shot down.
03:06Kevin Day was the chief radar specialist on the USS Princeton.
03:10Kevin Day was a senior enlisted guy in the Navy and you do not get the rank you got to
03:15unless you're very, very good.
03:20The intent of this interview is to get your perspectives. Of course, we don't want to do it at the
03:25sacrifice of national security.
03:26So I won't ask you anything classified. I won't ask you to provide any information that's classified or sensitive.
03:31You bet.
03:31So from beginning to end, tell me your story.
03:35I guess it was the best way to jump in. We were off the coast of San Diego, Nimitz Strike
03:39Group, getting ready to go on deployment.
03:43The Princeton was part of the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group on a training mission southwest of San Diego.
03:50When Kevin Day dispatched two pilots to intercept an unidentified craft, he picked up on radar.
03:56It didn't fly like an aircraft.
04:00It's about 40 feet long. It's white. It has no wings. It has no rotors. It has no control surfaces.
04:06It's literally, think of a white tic-tac.
04:11This image of the tic-tac shaped object was captured by an F-18's weapon systems camera.
04:16It was so unnerving because it was so unpredictable.
04:24But the story began four days earlier, when Kevin Day says he started seeing strange tracks on his radar.
04:30Right around the evening of the 10th of November, all these contacts were popping up in my radar coverage right
04:36off Catalina Island by Los Angeles.
04:39At first, there was like 10 or 12 objects. Watching them on display was like watching the snow fall in
04:45the sky.
04:46Day says the ship's system tracked the unidentified objects dropping down from the upper atmosphere and then flying south in
04:53what appeared to be an organized formation at an altitude of 28,000 feet.
04:58The relative position didn't change from each other. They were going real slow. 28,000 feet at 100 knots.
05:05Which is extremely weird. Usually things that high don't travel that slowly because they'll fall out of the sky.
05:11Do me a favor. Um, on this piece of paper, pretend this is the screen, okay?
05:17Okay, sure.
05:17Tell me what you're seeing.
05:18So you got the carrier, you got the Princeton, the Chafee and the Higgins.
05:22And up here by Catalina Island, I see these objects like this. Look kind of just like that.
05:27And they're all going 100 knots, tracking to the south.
05:31If you added them all up, there was well over 100 contacts.
05:37According to Kevin Day, an entire fleet of UFOs was flying unimpeded through the Navy's exercise warning area off the
05:44west coast.
05:47The Princeton was equipped with the military's most sophisticated radar system.
05:51Known as the Aegis SPY-1, it provides a 3D, 360 degree view of the entire battle space.
05:57The USS Princeton, if you will, is the eyes and the ears for the battle group.
06:02The SPY-1 can simultaneously track hundreds of air contacts and can identify virtually anything that flies.
06:08And eliminated the fact that they could have been a friendly aircraft of some kind or enemy aircraft of some
06:16kind.
06:16Nothing really fit.
06:18There's no recognized signature that you're picking up.
06:22It's becoming evident that these things are really UFOs.
06:26They are unidentified flying objects.
06:28I didn't have a better word for it.
06:29I was just chomping at the bit. I just wanted to intercept these things.
06:34So Captain J.L. Smith comes down into combat and I said,
06:37Sir, I think we should intercept these things.
06:40I reached out and I hooked one of them on the large screen display.
06:43But all of a sudden this object drops 28,000 feet down to the surface of the ocean.
06:47And I figured it out later. It's 0.78 seconds.
06:51If Kevin Day's calculations are correct, the object he saw would have been moving at the astounding speed of 24
06:57,000 miles per hour,
06:59over 30 times the speed of sound.
07:06So the captain said, yeah, let's intercept one. And I was like, hell yeah.
07:10After tracking the strange objects for days, on November 14th, 2004, the Princeton's radar room finally took control.
07:19We grabbed one of the flights that was doing a check flight off the carrier.
07:22It just happened to be Commander Fravor's flight.
07:26The Princeton control comes up and says, hey, Fast Eagle 110, this is Poison. We're going to suspend training. We
07:33have real world tasking.
07:35Commander David Fravor and his wingman pilot had been on a training run when they received the order to intercept.
07:41They got into an area, what we call merge plot, where the pilot is in the visual arena with whatever
07:47they're intercepting.
07:48It was so unpredictable. High G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration. So you're wondering, you know, how can I possibly fight
07:58this?
07:59And all of a sudden, North Brady were here. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm engaged. I'm engaged.
08:04I'm thinking I'm going to be watching a disaster here.
08:08Day says he watched as the Tic Tac escaped the fighter jets, climbing with an extraordinary burst of acceleration.
08:15Right back up to 28,000 feet.
08:19Day says the dramatic encounter was just the beginning.
08:22At that point, if we get a bunch of other aircraft, they're launching off the carrier and all these other
08:26intercepts are happening.
08:27One of the jets was able to capture this video that will go on to make headlines around the world.
08:32Before I knew it, I had these objects raining out of the sky.
08:36It was raining UFOs.
08:39Coming up on Unidentified.
08:41These things were going somewhere. They fell off my radar envelope down off the coast of Baja California.
08:46Okay. I can tell you the Latin one.
08:51And all these other intercepts are happening.
08:53And before I knew it, I had these objects raining out of the sky.
08:57It was raining UFOs.
08:59For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP.
09:06A secret Pentagon unit that investigated UFOs.
09:10Now he's working with a team of former government insiders, assembled by Tom DeLonge.
09:14Their mission? Reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.
09:20They're starting with the Nimitz incident, the full story of which has never been told.
09:25Until now.
09:26I'm telling you, it was the most humbling experience of my life.
09:29In his first on-camera interview, this former Navy radar specialist claims he watched an entire fleet of Tic Tac
09:36-shaped UFOs evade Navy F-18s.
09:39Not only do you have the pilots seeing this Tic Tac, but you have another eyewitness that's 20 miles away
09:46on another ship.
09:47You've got to ask yourself, are the radars being spoofed and are the cameras faulty?
09:51Every time these things would get in the visual arena, they would fall out of the sky.
09:54Wait till the interceptor had left and they'd pop right back up to 28,000 feet, right back where they
09:59were and continue going 100 knots.
10:01It was as if they wanted to be left alone.
10:07Later on shore, Kevin Day says he spoke with Commander David Fravor, a pilot who went head to head with
10:13the Tic Tacs.
10:14And I was asking him, what the hell, man? What happened?
10:17He said, Mako, I got to tell you, that thing kicked my ass.
10:22And that kind of spurred me. I said, okay, that's enough. I'm going to write an after action report. I
10:26got to document this.
10:28But when Day says he tried to document what happened, he searched the ship's computers for the radar data and
10:33communication recordings.
10:34Well, strangely enough, all the comms were gone.
10:40All of our external communications for that whole intercept were gone, which is supposed to be impossible.
10:46So either someone took the old disk and replaced it or somehow it was actually erased.
10:51But the time code is there, but the recordings were not.
10:55Right.
10:56So I'm trying to understand how, yeah, that's really...
10:59Wow.
10:59I don't, I don't have a good answer. I don't know.
11:03Day claims the files were gone, but he was able to write down a critical piece of information.
11:09These things were going somewhere. They fell off my radar envelope down off the coast of Baja, California.
11:14Okay.
11:14There's a little group of islands down off the coast and right there they disappeared several hundred miles.
11:19Were they all going to that same Latin long down in Baja?
11:21They all, they all went to the same spot.
11:23I could tell you, I could tell you the Latin long.
11:26The geographic coordinates where Day says the Tic Tacs disappeared off his radar lead here, 180 miles south of San
11:33Diego, off the Mexican coast.
11:36Kevin Day adds a layer of expertise that we didn't have before.
11:42With those electronic eyes, Kevin Day can see things that the naked eye cannot.
11:48And he adds an entirely new dimension to this investigation.
11:53Did the captain seem concerned or agitated or what was his reaction?
12:00He, I can only guess what he was thinking, but he was, didn't seem concerned at all.
12:05I think he was trying to resist the idea that there were UFOs.
12:08Mm-hmm.
12:09Um.
12:09Why, let me ask you, why would he want to, why does anybody in the Navy, uh, want to resist
12:15the idea of UFOs?
12:17Mm-hmm.
12:17Because they don't want to get scoffed at.
12:19They, they want to get made fun of.
12:21Especially for a guy trying to make Admiral, you know?
12:23Sure.
12:24There's a lot of emotion.
12:26There's a lot of feelings behind this issue.
12:30And there's a lot of stigma.
12:31But it was this guy, Kevin Day, who had the courage to come forward and say,
12:37Boss, I don't know what these are.
12:39Let's figure this out.
12:41You know, I was looking around, I was like, you know, all the years, all the money,
12:44and all the expertise, and all the talent, everyone around me in this whole strike group.
12:48And there's nothing we can do.
12:50If these things are hostile, then we're screwed.
12:53I'm telling you, it was the most humbling experience of my life.
12:56I mean, this is a guy who's been long retired, and you just look at him.
13:00And he still, I mean, he still has the Navy haircut.
13:03He still presses his shirts.
13:04He's still, I mean, man, the guy is still in the Navy, man.
13:07He's still serving his country.
13:09Thank you, my friend.
13:11You're welcome.
13:11Outstanding.
13:12And I mean, and I mean it sincerely.
13:13It's been an honor and pleasure.
13:17Out of all the things I've heard about the Nimitz, I have not heard there were up to a hundred
13:21craft.
13:22That absolutely blew my mind.
13:24I mean, a Top Gun graduate using the most advanced technology on Earth.
13:28It doesn't get better.
13:28It doesn't get better.
13:29And he's the one that called for the intercept.
13:31Yeah, and now you know what else, too?
13:33He's got the lat-longs he provided us on where these things may have went.
13:38We don't know if they've kind of just fell off the radar, or if there's something there.
13:42But either way, we've got to check it out.
13:49Back in Southern California, Elizondo was updating the team on his extraordinary interview with Kevin Day.
13:55Tom and I went to go visit an individual who was in the radar room at the time of the
14:01Tic Tac event.
14:02He was the senior most individual responsible for that radar.
14:07So here's the bottom line.
14:09It wasn't an event.
14:11It was events.
14:12And it occurred over a longer period of time than we thought.
14:17The other thing that is really interesting is he says there's data somewhere at some other server, and he goes
14:24find that data.
14:25Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon, has tried to track down the records from the Nimitz
14:31fleet for that week.
14:32One of the frustrating but very intriguing things about this is that when I suggested to someone on the Hill
14:40that they try to obtain the deck logs for the Princeton for that date,
14:44the National Archives said the Princeton logs for that date are missing.
14:48Those deck logs should be there, and we know officially now that they're not, and it's not due to classification.
14:55It's unfortunate because if they had been there, that might be another way to corroborate some of these reports.
15:02What I would like to do in this case is be able to corroborate this with another witness from the
15:09radar room.
15:10I think it would be much to our advantage to find a second source.
15:16With the deck logs allegedly missing, Kevin Day's testimony may hold the key to unlocking a larger mystery one Elizondo
15:23was unable to answer when he was at the Pentagon.
15:26Why were these strange craft appearing just off the West Coast, and where exactly were they heading?
15:36It takes weeks, but Elizondo was able to find another witness from the USS Princeton, a radar technician who served
15:43with Kevin Day.
15:46There was nothing usual about all this, man.
15:48I mean, there was nothing normal about the whole situation.
15:51Wow.
15:52Let me ask you something.
15:54Would you be available to talk to you in person?
15:59Yeah.
16:01Coming up on Unidentified.
16:04We tracked it going from 30,000 feet down to sea level, like within, I mean, no time at all.
16:10Sonar said they got a hit.
16:22My hope is that we'll make a serious, credible effort to acquire and analyze data which could tell us whether
16:33this UFO issue actually does involve some other civilization,
16:37or reveals a breakthrough on the part of adversaries, or even potentially an ally.
16:45It's just sort of inexcusable to me that we don't make the small amount of effort required to answer such
16:51a profound question.
16:56Hey, Gary.
16:57Hey.
16:57Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Chris Mellon is meeting the fourth Navy eyewitness from the USS Nimitz
17:05UFO encounter.
17:06The more eyewitnesses you can have, the better.
17:10We were successful in setting up a meeting with this individual.
17:13And so, Chris Mellon being a former, very senior person in the Department of Defense, I knew he would have
17:19some really good perspectives.
17:22Hope you like coffee strong.
17:23Oh, thanks so much.
17:25Gary Voorhees was a technician on board the Nimitz's radar ship, the USS Princeton.
17:30He's never spoken publicly about the strange events of November 2004, and what he has to say might provide a
17:37missing piece of critical information.
17:39Well, Gary, thanks again so much for taking the time.
17:43Yeah, without a doubt, it's definitely, there is something going on.
17:47What was the first indication something unusual was occurring?
17:50Um, the first indication I heard.
17:52Voorhees' story begins four days before the pilots intercepted the UFO.
17:56The spy guys came out, and it was like, oh, we got, we got clutter, and we got…
18:01The spy guys in terms of the radar system, guys?
18:02Yeah, the guys that specifically work on just the SPY-1 Bravo radar, they came down and asked me, you
18:07know, reset all the computer systems.
18:09The Princeton had already picked up three strange objects their Aegis SPY-1 radar couldn't identify.
18:16Thinking that the system was malfunctioning, the technicians rebooted the computers.
18:20Brought it all back up, and lo and behold, they're there still.
18:25And then we started getting confirmation from the other ships that they were seeing it too.
18:28What were you seeing at that point?
18:29We were just seeing three tracks.
18:31Three tracks?
18:33Were they hovering?
18:33Sometimes they were only going a couple hundred knots.
18:37Sometimes they seemed stationary.
18:39Sometimes they moved relatively fast.
18:41The way that they kind of went around us, it was almost like they were just monitoring us.
18:46Senior radar specialist Kevin Day says he watched as many as a hundred of the mysterious craft
18:51fly through the Navy's airspace with impunity over the coming days.
18:55It was raining UFOs.
18:57Finally, on the fourth day, he scrambled two F-18s to intercept one of them.
19:02And when one of the pilots arrived on the scene, she says she spotted a single UFO hovering over the
19:07water.
19:08There was something in the water.
19:09There was a churning.
19:11We were all clamoring to get on the radio.
19:14What the f- is that?
19:15We tracked it going from 30,000 feet down to sea level, like within no time at all.
19:21And sonar said they got a hit.
19:25Voorhees claims the ship's sonar operators had seen something else extraordinary.
19:29The object plunged into the ocean and then accelerated to a speed twice as fast as the Navy's fastest attack
19:35submarine.
19:37According to one of the sonar guys, they were going 70 plus knots under the water.
19:42The USS Louisville, a 6,000 ton nuclear powered submarine, was patrolling just below the surface.
19:49Voorhees says he spoke with the sub sonar team to try to understand what was happening.
19:54You heard first hand from the sonar technicians that they got a hit.
19:57Yeah.
19:57Do you have names of those individuals?
20:00None of them want to talk about it.
20:01You've reached out to them and they don't want to?
20:02Yeah.
20:03Pretty much you got who will say anything.
20:05Okay.
20:07And there was only one sonar guy I could get a hold of and he doesn't want to.
20:10He doesn't want to go on record.
20:12He doesn't want anything to do with it.
20:13Matter of fact, he had asked me not to contact him ever again.
20:17Let's talk about how the tapes are normally handled.
20:22Well, strangely enough, all the comms were gone.
20:26Day claims the Princeton's communications for that week were erased, but he doesn't know how or why.
20:31Voorhees says something even stranger happened.
20:35A helicopter arrived.
20:36People got off the helicopter.
20:38They came in and they requested all the data recording.
20:43And right after that, I was requested to hand over all the data recording tapes.
20:49And anything that wasn't recorded on during the event, I was to erase, just in case there was anything on
20:55it.
20:56And why was that? Were you provided an explanation?
20:59No. No, I wouldn't have been privy to any explanation.
21:02It was just expected of me to do it.
21:04How unusual was this request to destroy and erase this data?
21:08It was completely unprecedented.
21:09I'd never been asked to destroy data ever.
21:12And there was no scuttlebutt about where these tapes were going?
21:15Nope.
21:16For what purpose or anything?
21:18Basically, it just understood that they were going.
21:20Gary Voorhees corroborates important details of the other eyewitnesses' dramatic accounts.
21:26But his story raises an even more troubling possibility that the Navy was involved in a cover-up of a
21:32potential threat to national security.
21:34It's very curious, rather conspiratorial almost, the idea that a helicopter landed and he was asked to download the data
21:44and hand it off.
21:46That raises a whole host of questions about what's really going on behind the scenes.
21:59I am aware that there were other incidents that occurred involving military assets in and around this area.
22:05Before the USS Nimitz and frankly after the USS Nimitz.
22:09So the question is, how significant were they?
22:13And is there an explanation for what is being encountered in and around this area?
22:18Yeah.
22:20Lou Elizondo is on Santa Catalina Island, 47 miles off the coast of Los Angeles.
22:26He's come here searching for answers to why a fleet of UFOs allegedly first appeared off the island's shores.
22:38I'm looking on the radar and up here by Catalina Island I see these objects like this.
22:43They're all tracking to the south.
22:44Navy radar specialist Kevin Day told Elizondo a mysterious fleet of UFOs was first tracked over the Catalina Channel and
22:52then flew south through the Navy's training area.
22:54I had these objects raining out of the sky. Choo, choo, choo, choo.
22:59Why is there an interest here in and around these waters?
23:02Catalina Island apparently is attracting these UAPs. For whatever reason, we don't know yet.
23:08Hi.
23:09It is a pleasure to meet you.
23:10Very good to meet you.
23:12Parts of Catalina are off limits to the public.
23:15So Elizondo has met up with Hillary Holt, who works for the island's conservancy.
23:20See how Catalina is here?
23:22So this area called the continental borderland is kind of this hodgepodge of continental crust and oceanic crust.
23:30Everything to the west is on the Pacific tectonic plate.
23:33I don't think I could ever get tired of that view.
23:37Catalina was formed millions of years ago when two giant plates of the Earth's crust collided violently.
23:43That geology helped shape the 3,000-foot deep channel that isolates Catalina from the mainland.
23:50This is an actual geology map. That pink backbone right there is the tallest backbone on the island.
23:57Interesting.
23:58Okay, and so wildlife. I know it sounds like a crazy question to ask, but are there any large indigenous
24:04birds, condors, anything like that you have in South America around here?
24:08I mean, my point being is, is it normal to see a flock of 50 birds heading down south?
24:13I don't know if I see flocks of 50 birds, but absolutely tons of migrants come through here.
24:19And there is a lot of history to be told, both around Blackjack here as well as the airport.
24:27We're already going to be at 2,000 feet. You pick up something on radar. Well, you're not taking off
24:32from the ground. You're picking up something from here.
24:34We know that there's these weird refraction phenomena that occur with radar over the water.
24:39Sometimes radar signals bounce, and you can be picking something up really, really far away that looks close or picking
24:45up something really, really close that looks far away.
24:47Could some of these tracks that they were picking up on radar with the Nimitz actually be just local aircraft
24:52taking off from the mountaintop here on Catalina Island?
24:56Is it possible?
24:58Yeah, it is.
25:00But is it likely? That's what I'm going to find out.
25:04And then we are, I believe, if you all wanted to head down to Little Harbor, which it's Little Harbor
25:11was where we have the oldest archaeological evidence on the island.
25:15And then we wanted to head out here to the Ben Weston Overlook, which we, there are some old Army
25:24Signal Corps installations.
25:25I would love to see that.
25:27Yeah.
25:27Orient me here for a second.
25:29Yeah.
25:29Because I'm looking here and I feel like I'm almost surrounded by, by mountains.
25:33So LAX is over here.
25:36Exactly.
25:36LAX is pretty close.
25:38Right.
25:38You've got a populated metropolitan area right there.
25:41Back in 2004, US Nimitz carrier battle group is right out there.
25:47Lights are being picked up in the sky and on radar and visually over there, most of the time at
25:5230,000 feet coming in over the water.
25:54Sometimes they're literally going from that side of the sky to that side of the sky in seconds.
26:00Historically, there have been several events right here.
26:03From a national security perspective, our job is to own the battle space.
26:07If we don't know what's in the sky or we don't know what's below the water, then that's a problem.
26:12And there's things that are right around here and we don't know what they are.
26:16We have an obligation to try to figure it out.
26:19Catalina has a secret of history that dates back to World War II.
26:23When the military built a network of fortifications to protect against an invasion of the mainland.
26:29There's absolutely different places across the island where you can find evidence of past military operations.
26:37And during World War II, Toyon Bay was a training center for the OSS, the precursor to the CIA.
26:46You can go down the road and there are old radio towers and radio bunkers.
26:50Being down here just reinforces to me the idea that Catalina Island is a strategic location and is a point
26:59of interest.
27:00When I was talking with people about doing this show, even just in the last week, you know, I had
27:08a lot of people say,
27:09Oh, I've seen something weird. I've seen something before.
27:18There was something or is something in this area that may be of significant strategic interest.
27:25Now, is that what's bringing UAPs? I don't know.
27:27And unless I look at it for myself, I'll never know.
27:32For decades, Catalina has been a hotspot for reports of unidentified aerial phenomena.
27:38The most credible sighting was reported by Kelly Johnson, the founder of Lockheed Martin's legendary skunkworks division and the mastermind
27:46of the SR-71 Blackbird.
27:49On January 20th, 1954, Johnson filed this official report with the Air Force in which he and two test pilots
27:57describe seeing a large craft flying north of Catalina.
28:00Kelly was at his ranch and the other gentlemen were up doing flight tests.
28:05So they saw it from two different vantage points, which is interesting. It wasn't just from a single vantage point.
28:10Steve Justice spent 31 years at Skunkworks as one of its top aviation designers and is now a key member
28:17of Lou Elizondo's team.
28:18In light of Elizondo's Nimitz investigation, he's taken a fresh look at his predecessor's account.
28:24The most significant part of Kelly's memo is the fact that it was profound enough that he felt compelled to
28:30write it down and send it to the Air Force.
28:35It tells me he considered it to be really, really important.
28:40The Air Force concluded Johnson saw a rare cloud formation.
28:45Justice says that explanation doesn't make sense.
28:48I've read a number of analyses online where they conclude it was lenticular clouds or something.
28:54There are some clouds that look that way, but they don't move that way, and that's what sticks in my
28:59head.
28:59So what explains the reports of UFOs in this same area 50 years later?
29:06The answer may lie in Catalina's strategic location.
29:11180 miles north is Vandenberg Air Force Base, home to some of the military's most advanced aerospace programs,
29:18and recently, Elon Musk's private SpaceX rockets.
29:23Due south is the Navy's Whiskey 291 warning area, where the 2004 Nimitz encounter took place.
29:30Could the unidentified craft that appeared near Catalina be part of a top-secret military test?
29:36And were the pilots unwitting test subjects?
29:42Brian Bender was one of the first reporters to reveal Elizondo's secret UFO program.
29:47There's this reasonable hypothesis that these are advanced military aircraft
29:51that only a very few number of government officials know about,
29:55and they're being tested, and they're being seen, and they're being reported,
29:58and that could explain why the government sort of doesn't want to talk about it,
30:03because they want to shield these secret military aircraft programs.
30:07One of the pilots who encountered the tic-tac-shaped UFO during the Nimitz event
30:11questioned whether what she was seeing was part of an experimental aircraft test.
30:17When I got back to the ship, when I was frustrated that nobody was taking it seriously,
30:21one of my theories was, were we vectored into a live range?
30:25Was that a submarine that launched something and was resubmerging?
30:36I have to be careful, because I was part of AATIP.
30:39And, you know, I don't want to give the false conclusion that, you know,
30:42I'm trying to find an answer that I already have.
30:45But truth be told, I had access to a lot of information.
30:48I can tell you there are several antenna rays here
30:51that are absolutely connected to some sort of government activity.
30:55So the question is, did they play a role in the 2004 events?
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31:15Lou Elizondo has returned from his mission to Catalina Island.
31:19Brother Steve, how are you?
31:20Good. Got a few minutes?
31:22Yes.
31:22He's meeting with his team member, Steve Justice, one of the most respected aviation experts in the U.S.
31:28Got a couple questions for you.
31:30As the director of advanced technologies at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works,
31:34Justice led the highly classified development of America's F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter.
31:40Elizondo wants to explore the theory that what the pilots from the USS Nimitz and others witnessed
31:45was in fact a top secret government test that they hadn't been briefed on.
31:50Steve Justice worked at Lockheed Martin, which is entrusted with billions of taxpayer dollars
31:55to build some of the most advanced weapons systems in the world.
31:58It's possible in this case that there is some very secret military aircraft program
32:03that is so secret and is shared with so few people that Lou Elizondo doesn't know about it.
32:11So, Steve, I can't completely eliminate the fact that, you know, those type of velocities
32:19potentially, potentially are achievable with certain technologies we have.
32:25In the 2004 Nimitz incident, a tic-tac-shaped UFO had allegedly reached velocities
32:31as high as 30 times the speed of sound.
32:34Does this technology look like anything you worked on while at Skunk Works,
32:41and could this have been one of those technologies?
32:45I'm not going to talk about anything I did with Skunk Works.
32:48While his work at Lockheed Martin is classified,
32:51Justice is aware of a test flight that happened the same week as the Nimitz incident.
32:56When NASA launched a hypersonic unmanned craft,
32:59the X-43 scramjet in the same airspace.
33:03You know, the X-43 is interesting.
33:05You know, the fact that it flew in this timeframe can make it a suspect.
33:10Well, let's sit back and analyze it from several perspectives.
33:13Here's a photo from NASA of the X-43 hanging on the wing of a B-52.
33:18You can see the work crews.
33:20Well, they said they saw a 40-foot vehicle.
33:22This, whatever this tic-tac was, was 40 feet.
33:24And that is backed up by radar and the video.
33:27So, the speed itself.
33:30The X-43 was hypersonic, which means it was Mach 5 or above.
33:34So, here's what it takes to accelerate.
33:38That's a huge signature, man.
33:40I mean, that's just...
33:42Everybody's going to see that thing for 100 miles.
33:45So, that to me disqualifies...
33:48That's a disqualifying element in and of itself.
33:52What altitude?
33:52Well, here's the strange part.
33:55It was seen at a lot of altitudes.
33:56Anywhere between 80,000 feet down the sea level.
34:00Okay.
34:00You know, hypersonic vehicles that we work on today want to be above 50,000 feet.
34:06As we step back and look at all the different pieces of evidence that we have.
34:10You know, this image that we have, you know, from an incident.
34:16You know, you don't see any exhaust plumes.
34:19And they would show up in this type of image.
34:24The shape is wrong.
34:26The flight regime, the point in the sky that it flies is wrong.
34:32How it flies is wrong.
34:33You know, the parts we have right are some hypersonic velocities.
34:38Without going into specific technologies, you did a lot of work for the Skunk Works.
34:42And I'm just kind of curious.
34:44Does this scenario fit a common pattern the way you guys test your classified programs?
34:52I'm not even going to talk about how you test classified stuff.
34:58It's possible, but it means that somebody would know.
35:01Doesn't mean everybody would know.
35:03Right.
35:03But some people would know that you were going to be operating near that area.
35:08So, it's possible.
35:12You know, if the Admiral in charge didn't make a report, it could be because, you know, it was an
35:23operational test.
35:25You know, not everybody gets to know everything.
35:29I would love it if it turned out that these were secret U.S. aircraft that were developed in some
35:35remote underground facility.
35:37And that we've achieved that kind of technological breakthrough.
35:40That would be fabulous.
35:41Here are the reasons that we don't think that is, in fact, the case.
35:45We do not operate test aircraft in the vicinity of carrier battle groups without some prior coordination.
35:53It would be completely uncharacteristic of the military to operate in such a strange, haphazard manner.
35:59If that did happen, it would probably happen only once.
36:02Those people would be replaced in a hurry.
36:05It's hard to conceive of a secret military test program that explains all of these instances.
36:11Not just here in the United States, but around the world.
36:13I would love it if it turned out to be the case that these were secret U.S. aircraft that
36:19were developed in some remote underground facility.
36:23And that we've achieved that kind of technological breakthrough. That would be fabulous.
36:27Here are the reasons that we don't think that is, in fact, the case.
36:29First of all, the videos that were released were declassified and went through a formal declassification process.
36:36If those were secret U.S. aircraft or vehicles, they wouldn't have survived that scrub and that review.
36:40Secondly, we do not operate test aircraft in the vicinity of carrier battle groups, as a rule, certainly not without
36:49some prior coordination.
36:50The military is extraordinarily careful to avoid incidents and mishaps, so it would be completely uncharacteristic of the military to
36:59operate in such a strange, haphazard manner.
37:03Thirdly, myself and my colleagues have pulled every thread and run every trap.
37:10I was on the committee that reviewed all of those programs. There was nothing like that on the drawing boards
37:14when I was in the Pentagon.
37:16Steve worked at the Skunk Works at Lockheed Martin. He's not aware of anything remotely like this.
37:21Lou ran all the traps in the Pentagon, checked with the Army, Navy, everybody. He said, those are not ours
37:26definitively.
37:27So while we can't prove the negative, the evidence we have suggests these are not U.S. vehicles.
37:38You've been out on the road a lot, okay? And it seems like more people are coming forward. Anything change
37:45your mind?
37:47No, it's only reinforced our original position, to be honest, with you.
37:57We've come a long way in just eight months, a real long way. We have all the pilots that flew
38:03that day that were involved in the alleged Tic Tac incident have come forward. I think that's huge.
38:09Lou Elizondo, Tom DeLonge, Chris Mellon and the team have made major breakthroughs in their investigation of the 2004 Tic
38:16Tac event.
38:17We've actually learned some more information, believe it or not, what happened that day, some very compelling information.
38:23I am delighted that we are able to give voice to these military personnel and their experiences.
38:31But these guys and what we're up against is overcoming this incredible stigma that surrounds this topic.
38:39The mysterious UFO encounters over the USS Nimitz carrier strike group are finally coming into focus.
38:46The team has corroborated the accounts of four military eyewitnesses.
38:51Two fighter pilots who say they were sent to hunt down one of the Tic Tac shaped UFOs.
38:57We couldn't help but admit that we saw it because we all saw it together.
39:02Do we want to not do anything and just hope they're nice?
39:06And two radar personnel who say they tracked an entire fleet of Tic Tacs over the course of four days.
39:12We are getting our asses kicked right here.
39:15According to one of the sonar guys, they were going 70 plus knots under the water.
39:20They pretty much just went wherever they wanted.
39:24When you look at this problem holistically, you start seeing patterns, patterns emerging.
39:29For over 70 years, the US military investigated UFO sightings.
39:35In thousands of documents, the UFOs are often described as saucers or discs.
39:40But there are also reports of shapes eerily similar to the 40 foot long Tic Tac the Nimitz pilots encountered.
39:47This 1964 report describes a flying object shaped like a butane tank and as long as a telephone pole.
39:55The more similarities we can find, the more congruencies we can identify, the more congruencies we can identify,
40:01I think the more we'll be able to make an honest determination of what these things are doing.
40:08It wasn't until 2009 that Elizondo says the Pentagon was able to establish a larger pattern.
40:13In the early stages of AATIP, we're collecting anything and everything related to, frankly, the phenomenon.
40:17We had reports coming from the Navy, we had pilots reports, we had gun camera footage, we had radar returns,
40:22we had investigations that were done by highly trained people.
40:25Some of the observations begin to really get into focus in 2009.
40:37Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon,
40:41has obtained a briefing document created by the Pentagon's secret UFO unit.
40:46The presentation contains a global map of hotspots where US and other military assets encountered UFOs.
40:53This is an example of the kind of data that is available and hasn't been pulled because nobody's in charge,
41:00nobody's analyzing the issues.
41:03The red dots are reported UFO activity, blue are military facilities.
41:09This official Department of Defense map has never been released to the public.
41:13Within this large circle is Baja, San Diego, and then the Navy's exercise operating area,
41:22where they conduct fleet exercises.
41:25So, here we have a document that says the United States is defenseless against a threat that we have identified,
41:35an extraordinary and alarming report, and here we are 10 years later, essentially in the same position.
41:45The Pentagon unit suggested the US military would be unable to defend itself against the UFO's hyper-advanced technology.
41:54Those hotspots were seen all the way back in 1950.
41:59The fact that we continue to see these things in our airspace over our military equities time and time again,
42:06and we still don't know what it is and where it's coming from,
42:08at this point just throw the white flag up and give up.
42:11The briefing was created for a presentation to senior defense officials and warns if the government continues to ignore the
42:18threat,
42:19America's adversaries could crack the technology and develop deadly new weapons that would disrupt the balance of power.
42:25This is a live activity.
42:28We don't know what it is, even after all this research.
42:31If they are a potential adversary like Russia or China that's made some huge leap in technology,
42:37we better know about it.
42:39Given some of these capabilities they're demonstrating, they could very easily shut out the lights.
42:50We know this is happening now. We know it's real. And until we get some answers, we shouldn't rest easy.
42:58This is not a Navy problem. This is not an Air Force problem. This is not an intelligence community problem.
43:05This may be a much bigger, holistic, global problem.
43:09These guys are obsessed.
43:12They spent their life defending the country and now they're confronted with a phenomenon
43:19that potentially could be threatening.
43:23Chris and Lou repeatedly say, listen, I know everybody thinks of little green men, but we're not there yet.
43:30What we got to do first is not treat it as this backwater issue that nobody wants to touch, nobody
43:36wants to look at.
43:41On the next Unidentified.
43:44Kevin Day provided us the latitudes and the longitudes that these things seem to be going towards.
43:50We can actually now go to the location and try to figure out if there's any type of correlation at
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