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00:00You're driving across the country playing small shows and it was right at the time when St. Anger
00:03came out and that was the most divisive Metallica album since Load and since Reload and since the
00:08Black Album and then we fell in love with it. It might not be our favorite Metallica album.
00:12And by the way when you say now we love it we might be just you but
00:16I think we love the concept of it you know.
00:21Frog, metal, frog and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:27Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast
00:32platforms. And now it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:37There he is. Zachy, how's things with you man? Everything's going pretty well. I'm staying
00:42busy you know. I'm home for a little bit and getting ready to get back on the road this
00:48summer and yeah no complaints. Yeah that's good. Well we'll talk about events here coming up in a
00:54minute but I was kind of surprised when I learned that you were doing this solo project Dark Horse
00:58coming out April 3rd. Did you just have to get some stuff off your chest? What's the deal with
01:04the solo record? Yeah man it's something I never really anticipated doing because Avenged has always
01:12been you know my baby since the day we started. And with this we were home you know for five
01:21years
01:21before we got back out on the road in 2023 and I started just playing around on acoustic guitar
01:30and writing these songs with melodies and stuff and I didn't really know what to do with it and I
01:35knew it
01:35wasn't really the sort of stuff that I'd present for Avenged. But as I was writing this stuff you know
01:45life was happening all around me and it was just a really good way to get things off my chest
01:52kind of tell my own story. At first I was like what do I do with these songs because they
01:56you know
01:57they have more of a western kind of country flair. I grew up listening to Hank Williams and Johnny Cash
02:01and Willie Nelson and stuff along with bands like Social Distortion, The Misfits and you know Guns N' Roses,
02:08Metallica. I listen to everything. But for some reason it was just way easier for me to write these
02:13basic songs on an acoustic guitar and be able to sing them. You know I don't really have a heavy
02:19rock voice kind of an interesting unique sort of sound and I never really even liked my voice so I
02:27was like well maybe I can just write these songs and you know sell them to people and then I
02:30was like
02:31I have no interest in giving away anything personal in regards to music you know. So it's like I'm just
02:38I'm gonna put you know finish this up and see what happens and then I started getting some support you
02:43know for my band mates and and people that I trust and uh I just you know ended up making
02:49an album. No record labels, no anything, no producers, did it all myself and I thought it'd be
02:56you know cool to share with the fans. And this whole thing is going to be uh acoustic?
03:01No there's there's definitely there's a lot of instrumentation so it's all over the place. There's
03:08there's clean guitars, there's electric guitars, there's banjos, there's fiddles, there's pedal
03:14steel, there's you name it you know trumpets, it's all over the place. So there's every song
03:20every song's very different. So did did you pull a Wolfgang Van Halen and do everything by yourself or
03:26did you go get some musicians in? I did about 95 percent of everything myself. You can you can play
03:34banjo? I heard that's really hard. Yeah I I um was able to pick it up and and get a
03:42pretty good feel
03:43for it. Um there's a couple things that I I had to to hire some musicians that are much better
03:49at you
03:50know like a pedal steel or or fiddles. Those are instruments that I've never touched. Uh I had my
03:55brother help me with piano. He's a brilliant piano player. Uh but beyond that you know we have Brooks
04:02played drums on one track. I which is the only track that actually has good drumming versus versus
04:07me. But but for me it wasn't it it was less about the instrumentation and it was more about the
04:13simplicity and getting the the stories whole. Now I've only heard the the first song Lighthouse so
04:18far but uh the line that stands out you probably talked about this the stars used to guide me don't
04:22guide me anymore. What what does that line mean? Or are we supposed to uh maybe use it in our
04:27own
04:27life or explain that line? So I was I always want people to hear it and interpret it how they
04:36want
04:37to. That's that's something really special about music because I you know I listen to the lyrics and
04:43um you know I feel like they were meant for me when when a band really nails it. But in
04:48the literal sense
04:50I was I was just going through a time in my life where you know the people that you depend
04:59on the
04:59most you know like relationship wise it just felt cold and um it was I didn't know where where to
05:09go
05:09you know I didn't feel like I could be myself. I felt like I wasn't as happy as I wanted
05:13to be in like
05:14my life the path of it not in regards to the band not in regards to to anything but just
05:20my home and
05:21my personal life it was just you know I felt that I was just surrounded by the wrong person and
05:27um
05:28that's that line kind of came to be because of that reason and because you know when you're with
05:35somebody for a long time and you know you you kind of follow that guidance and you and you go
05:41towards that direction and then you realize like this isn't really the direction I want to be going
05:47with life and in regards to you know my happiness and well-being and it just you know it's just
05:53kind
05:54of a literal uh life change sort of thing. Yeah I think I saw that you posted recently or something
06:00I don't know you a picture with your your girlfriend or something uh was was she kind of
06:04the one who you bounced some of this material off of when you were working on it? Absolutely you know
06:10um
06:10I definitely got really important feedback and um kind of the affirmation that I needed
06:25um to finish these songs and release them you know having a person that you trust and trust their opinion
06:33and actually feels involved and cares about what you're doing and I felt like I didn't have that for
06:39a long time and not even just relationship wise uh even in regards to the music you know I would
06:44show people in the very early phases and they'd be like oh that's cool like when are you going to
06:50write the next Hail to the King? It's like well you don't understand like those songs get written
06:57in a completely different way and um this is something more personal and I thought that
07:07in regards to you know being an artist and creating and sharing I thought it was important
07:11but a lot of people are just like oh you know that's it's weird for for someone in the rock
07:15band
07:16to kind of go in a different direction so you know good luck with that and I was like well
07:21I don't
07:22really have any um ambition like I'm not trying to you know start this you know country career and
07:30move to Nashville and throw on a hat and boots like it's not about that it's about just writing songs
07:34that mean something to me and uh letting them come to life you know that's that's really all an artist
07:41is supposed to do. Well every time somebody you know and I've been in this business a long time
07:46and every time somebody branches away from their band to do something kind of solo I always feel
07:51like um it's like your band has been so successful it's kind of afforded you the chance to kind of
07:56just
07:56go do something on your own and then come back to your band. Well for me it's like I said
08:01it's always been
08:02Avenged first and I've never like I've publicly stated there is no other musical opportunity that
08:12I would ever leave Avenged for not if the biggest band in the world came calling and said hey we
08:17need
08:17a left-handed guitarist and you're the right guy for the job I would say you got the wrong guy
08:22because
08:23I've dedicated the entirety of my life to Avenged because those guys are my best friends and continue
08:31to be and I think what we do is so interesting and exciting that I would never want to put
08:37any sort
08:37of um you know taint that legacy because we're building it and we build it together which is so
08:43great so for this particular outlet of making music it was absolutely afforded you know the opportunity
08:53for fans to give it a chance versus artists that have to start out from nothing but with that with
09:00that said it still requires a lot of um trust and you have to put a lot of effort and
09:09let them know
09:10that it's genuine and it comes from a genuine place because fans especially our fans it's the one
09:16thing is they can sniff out you know authenticity when it comes to artists and um I feel like the
09:24response that I've gotten has really solidified the fact that okay this this might be taken seriously
09:31like Zach's not just doing this uh as a vanity project he's actually has something to say and
09:36he's willing to put it out on the line um but in no way it takes away from Avenged like
09:42right it's always Avenged first yeah no doubt and it's like uh so when when you start to to to
09:48create these songs to put them together do you talk to uh Shadows or any of the guys and and
09:53and
09:53talk to them about that and what kind of advice or what kind of do they do they prompt you
09:57to keep
09:57going so I never really showed anybody in my band any of these songs until it was finished
10:04and when I finally showed them you know Sin called me and he was like
10:14if you're gonna do this like I want you to really go out and give it everything that you have
10:23because I think it's important I think it deserves to be heard but I don't want you to just let
10:28it get
10:29released and then feel insecure and put it out there and let it fall into a void like I really
10:35love what you're doing and I think that you need to believe in yourself because before I didn't like
10:41I didn't have a game plan if they asked like what are you gonna do with it I was like
10:43I don't I don't
10:43know they're like no you need to put everything into it so that kind of and I got that same
10:49um you
10:50know when when Johnny had heard it he said it literally made him cry like and uh so I took
10:58all the
10:58and you know Matt had the the same sort of you know advice you know if you're gonna do this
11:04you
11:04know like allow your full artistic spirit to to take over and do it do it right and I did
11:15like I
11:15went and I really made sure that the you know the art behind it was important that the photos that
11:23I
11:23was releasing were important um all the things that typically you kind of get a helping hand with
11:28from record labels that Avenged has kind of shied away from in the last many years and and opted to
11:35do a lot of it ourselves and because I do so much of that with Avenged I was like okay
11:40well I'm gonna
11:41take this seriously I'm gonna invest some of my own money and resources and really put it out there
11:49in a way that um it deserves to be shown you know not just the music the artwork the um
12:00you know the photos that go along with it the way that it's promoted and and also just things that
12:05I
12:05typically wouldn't do like I've always been really really private and I don't really engage in social
12:11media that much but I was like hey this time around I think I'm gonna have more fun with it
12:14and be more
12:15engaging with fans um and give them a little bit of a more of a glimpse into me personally you
12:20know
12:20whether it's humor whether it's stuff that I'm dealing with and kind of just involve people more
12:27in my life you know I just felt like that was the right time and and something that's kind of
12:31a
12:31little bit different for for me to do stepping outside my comfort zone now now myself just having
12:37you know different projects and stuff like that how hard is it to put a hundred percent of what you
12:42do
12:43into this project knowing that you still have been sevenfold and you're still kind of doing that kind
12:46of stuff was it was it something that you kind of had to just kind of uh uh you know
12:51kind of uh walk
12:51your way through I believe it was made possible by the fact that we've had a lot of time off
13:02and time
13:02in between oh man the avenge stuff so it gave me a chance to keep myself busy um which is
13:12something I really needed because for a long time I was just I didn't know what to do we're home
13:16for
13:16so long and you know once we got the avenged ship sailing again um playing those shows rehearsing uh
13:26practicing the songs at home takes so much of my time and I actually I love it it's it's fun
13:32you know
13:32sometimes it gets frustrating to have to relearn some of the songs that we wrote when we were 25
13:36years old because we're much older now and that's just hard to play but but um beyond that um it
13:45was
13:46like I would be working fully on the avenge stuff putting all my effort into that and then when
13:53inspiration struck on the times where I had a lot of free time it was never for this particular solo
14:00venture I never ever forced myself to go into the studio and try and come up with music or try
14:07and
14:07write songs it was always if I had an idea for a lyric or a melody or was messing around
14:13on a guitar
14:14I and played something that I liked or put together some chords that I thought would be good
14:19I would take that and instantly run with it into the studio and then record so it was never like
14:25okay I have to come up with a song or I have to finish this song it was like I'm
14:31gonna come up
14:31with the idea I would take it with me to the gym even if it was a voice memo on
14:36my phone and I would
14:37listen to it over and over again and see where I could take the next part and then if I
14:40came up with
14:41something I'd sing in my head until I ran into the studio and and laid it down so yeah it
14:47was it just
14:47really came about naturally and and who uh who decided uh not to use Zachy Vengeance did somebody
14:53taught you into that or was that something you've always wanted to do no I've I never thought of it
14:57but I thought like I never put any thought into what I would I never put any thought into doing
15:03a solo
15:04project ever I'd always assumed that if for whatever reason I wanted to to write different styles of music
15:14would be like more punk rock sort of stuff the stuff that I grew up with and I kind of
15:18thought
15:18that that was so typical and people would expect that from me whereas this is such an unexpected turn
15:26um and because the songs ended up being so personal that I wanted it to be my birth name you
15:34know the name
15:34that I was born with because it tells the story of me behind the guy behind Zachy Vengeance and the
15:41guy
15:41behind you know Avenged Sevenfold and it's just opening up as a as a human as opposed to like
15:49where people see us on the stage we've built it and some people are finding out about us now and
15:54seeing us play in stadiums well this is where that guy came from you know this is me growing up
15:59this is
15:59the stuff that I I have dealt with this is the stuff that I deal with now and I just
16:03wanted people to
16:04to kind of have the opportunity to find me relatable you know to give kids that are coming up
16:14um inspiration and to know that this was you know it was a rough road to get to where we
16:19are and
16:20doesn't get easier this life is always happening around around you and uh I just wanted I wanted to
16:27be completely from the heart and personal and it's why I chose to sing the songs myself and um do
16:33everything myself because I was like okay this is this is me the man behind the scenes you know
16:39pulling back the curtain sort of thing yeah and so this is kind of a hack question you've probably
16:45heard this before but when you're writing stuff like this how much of it do you go no I gotta
16:50hold
16:50that off for revenge I'm gonna use this just for my solo stuff you've you've probably heard this
16:54question a bunch but is it was there stuff that you wrote you're like oh no shadows would love to
16:58this riff or you know or shin or whatever there's absolutely those moments where I'm I'm writing
17:04something and I will get sidetracked and all of a sudden it'll turn into something that you know
17:12goes from being on an acoustic guitar to playing it into a riff and then turning it sitting down the
17:17guitar plugging in the electric playing it and all of a sudden you know taking a note of that um
17:22which is
17:23the best part about surrounding yourself with instruments and all sorts of instruments because
17:29you can absolutely write music for you're just trying to write the best song that you can and
17:35not even in a particular style and there's certain things that just don't work for for the solo stuff
17:41that you know I'm absolutely excited about to show people for for a bench so it's put a guitar in
17:48my
17:48hand and I'll make some noise wherever it ends up is it's fine by me so a dark horse comes
17:55out on
17:55April 3rd uh some of the songs obviously dark horse uh misfit hearts unlikely cowboy I'll stop
18:01pretending of course lighthouse like you said uh star crossed uh someday fireflies and I'm looking
18:06forward to uh digging into this what what's what's uh what's something you think is going to come
18:10right to the surface uh for fans when they hear this as like a whole collective um
18:16um I think that's a that's a great question I I think that uh I think there's gonna be some
18:26surprises to be honest I I always grew up loving like 1950s duop style music and so I've kind of
18:38threw in a nod to that at times I love outlaw western just kind of punk rock feeling social
18:48distortion style rockabilly-esque songs and there's definitely some of that like in misfit parts it
18:55kind of comes out of the title track and goes straight into some kind of western kind of chaos
19:02kind of 50s 1940s 50s inspired um true western music um so I mean I don't know it's really all
19:12over the place I think the song dark horse itself probably lends itself to setting the tone for what
19:18the album is and then from there it's just a wild wild ride typical fashion of me and that's why
19:24you
19:24chose that as the title track and the lead off track as well yes yeah yeah and then uh funny
19:31enough
19:33I had no idea that George Harrison from the Beatles had an album called dark horse and uh I thought
19:40it
19:41was kind of weird you know just because I've never planned like I said I'd never planned to venture off
19:45like this wasn't done um as this is honestly just just to put out for people to hear it was
19:54never
19:54intended to be like a hope for some level of success or anything it was like I just got to
20:01put out in
20:01the universe um because it when you make art and you make music the one thing that you realize and
20:09I
20:09learned this when Avenge was doing Nightmare was that when Jimmy had died he had music and we finished
20:19that album it's one of my favorite albums of all time not just because of us it's because of I
20:25truly
20:26love the songs and if had it been any other band I would love that album so I'm so proud
20:30of it and
20:31you realize like we don't get to be here like our time here is short and when you create something
20:37that
20:37lasts longer than you you have to put out in the universe and then you feel relief I was like
20:42okay now
20:43this album is done if I died tomorrow this album lives on Zachary Baker this album Dark Horse tells
20:50a story of my life up till this point and it gets to live on forever and and that's kind
20:56of
20:56the coolest thing ever when it comes to writing music yeah especially with all the you know the
21:03the legends we've seen leave us I mean you know it's going to take a long time before people forget
21:08about Ozzy oh totally yeah you know completely and and you never you never really will because
21:17like I named my son Ozzy like my six-year-old yeah my six-year-old's named Ozzy he's a
21:25spell O-Z-Z-Y
21:26and it was just because honestly my dad would play Black Sabbath when I was a kid growing up
21:33and we had a moment where we were playing a festival with Black Sabbath several years ago
21:39and you know I think it was in Austria and me and my dad were both out there like I
21:44flew my dad out
21:45and we went and we're sitting there you know dad and son watching Black Sabbath together in a freaking
21:50faraway country and then a couple years later you know naming his grandson Ozzy my own son so those
21:57those legends you know they put it out there they make music and you never know how it's gonna
22:00touch people and affect people yeah that's that's a great story I didn't know that that's cool that
22:05you can share that kind of stuff with uh with people you know I grew up in the in the
22:09boondocks
22:10and I would go hang out with the older kids I was like 13 14 these kids were like 18
22:1319 20 and I
22:15that's where I learned to love Black Sabbath that's where I heard about it and you know and and all
22:19those
22:20guys are most of those guys are still around and uh and now like uh you know they're kind of
22:24envious
22:24of me because I've had a chance to meet all these guys and play all these guys for all these
22:28years you
22:29know oh of course and and that's what's so cool about it I mean you know just you get a
22:37bond with
22:38other people over these over you know these artists music and then you know when you're lucky enough to
22:43actually get a chance to meet them and in the flesh like when we did Ozfest and you'd see Ozzy
22:48you know walking up there getting on stage every single night and it was like you know we rode on
22:53a
22:53bullet train in in Tokyo to Osaka and the train car was just us and Ozzy and his entourage and
23:01like
23:01I didn't bother him or anything but like you know instantly I'd go back and tell my dad like dude
23:06we
23:06just rode on a train in Japan with Ozzy so you know it's just it's just amazing you know we're
23:12just
23:12really that is great did you did you guys have a chance to play the back to the beginning show
23:16or
23:16did you did you have a chance to go or anything you know none of us ended up going I
23:22have some friends
23:22that actually went um but I don't know what our schedule was like um or if it was ever even
23:31offered
23:31to be honest I I just I know that I wasn't able to go just based off timing wise but
23:38I had some friends
23:39that didn't go but you better believe that I watched that whole thing yeah and I was just like
23:43from the beginning to end and seeing all the bands and all the tributes and then when Black Sabbath
23:47came out it was just like it's just iconic and legendary and for that guy to to do what he
23:54did
23:54and then you know pass shortly after but do it all the way up until that point it just it
24:00shows you how
24:00sincere these artists are and how much it means to them because it's not something you ever want to
24:06think about retiring from if you you you love doing it and the the artists that last the longest are
24:12the
24:12ones that love doing it and there's times in your career where it feels like a job and you need
24:17to
24:17take a step back and go back to your 15 year old self your 14 year old self like why
24:22did I do this
24:23why like what makes me love this and you're like oh it's because I love doing this I love making
24:28noise I love writing songs I love pissing people off I love playing concerts I love it like and that's
24:34what the Zachary Baker thing I was like this is coming from what do you love doing I was like
24:38well
24:39when I was in high school and I was 14 years old I loved singing and playing guitar and playing
24:44in
24:44small clubs it was like I couldn't wait to do it I couldn't wait to have band practice and rehearsals
24:50and at 44 years old the thought of getting in a room with musicians other than my avenged bandmates
25:00that everything feels so normal and natural because we've done so so many shows you know thousands of
25:05shows together over the years this absolutely terrifies me and it makes me feel like I'm going
25:12you know in front of a talent show like I was 14 years old and it's absolutely exhilarating to be
25:18honest I'm still like just trying to get the the guts together to to go stand on the stage and
25:23go play
25:23in front of 10 or 50 people like and that's what yeah are you going to tour on this at
25:28all I'm
25:30definitely planning to to bring it to life and play some shows okay whether whether that's in a
25:35you know bars and you know just for fun you know in a few cities or if I do end
25:42up taking it you know
25:43for a small run or opening up for some bands that I really love listening to I I really just
25:49I want to
25:50be able to play it live on a whim I want to be able to have musicians nearby that can
25:55you know grab a
25:57drink jump up on stage and make noise and have fun that's all it is for me like I you
26:02know avenge is a
26:03big production but when we're up there we have an absolute blast and for this it's going to be
26:08going back to the basics setting up your own gear walking up there you know having uh
26:16interaction with the fans that are directly in front of you and just making noise you know the
26:21same way that avenge started out like just back to the roots so uh speaking of avenge of course
26:26you're going to be here in detroit at pine knob on august 4th uh the last record came on 2023
26:32which
26:32you know I absolutely loved uh what's going on with the with the avenge camp right now that you can
26:36share with us so we're we're just getting ready to start putting together some set lists and some
26:46announcements that I can't really talk about but we definitely have some things in the works
26:51um in regards to getting this tour um up and running making it exciting doing stuff that is
27:03kind of in typical avenge fashion stuff that people don't expect um
27:09and then putting together set lists and making some some more touring announcements
27:15and basically going through a lot of putting in a lot of work to make sure that we
27:24open up some new songs play some stuff people haven't heard maybe have never heard maybe haven't
27:28heard in a while um just really listening to our fans also like we don't want to be one of
27:35those
27:35bands that just goes up there and just plays the hits and becomes we want to go and make every
27:40concert and experience and I think there's some rock bands that do a really good job of that and
27:47we're just really working on on making it the best experience there's no no phoning it in you know
27:52it's not just a cut and paste repeat of the last tour it's got to be special so when you
27:57see this
27:58particular show it's going to be one that says hopefully 10 20 years down the line like hey did you
28:07see that tour because if you didn't see that tour you will not see that tour again and that's kind
28:11of something that we we've always wanted to to sort of bring to the table um and we're so we're
28:18just
28:18working on that you know we're just not going to bring the same show twice and and are you you
28:22guys
28:22have you guys been in the studio working on any new material or anything or no um we're always
28:27writing and always trying to come up with the next idea that's gonna completely
28:37completely just divide the entire fan base and and send send uh reddit and the comment sections
28:45of instagram on fire so we're well on our way to doing that and I would say we are absolutely
28:51on that
28:52program right now I I you know I I told you it's no secret I love the last record because
28:57it was so
28:57different and unique and there was so many flavors and I guess because I'm in this business and I hear
29:03so much stuff all the time and maybe you're the same way I thought it was refreshing you know and
29:07and that aspect there was just something that it was like something you heard something different
29:11every single time that was just my two cents on that you know well that's I mean that's the thing
29:17about music and the bands that we love and and what people don't understand is what what they
29:22don't what they're not prepared for can be shocking but later down the road you realize oh that's just
29:30what that band did and it takes it takes years sometimes for people to come around to certain
29:34things um and and the reason we know it is because we've been fortunate to have this long of a
29:41career
29:41and people are like well city of evil is the best album people are like no the self-title is
29:46the best
29:46album or you know the stage is the best album and it's like at the time I'm just sitting there
29:53scratching my head and like well when city of evil came out everyone hated it too they're like what
29:59are you guys doing these songs are too long you can't mix metal and punk rock and and guns and
30:03roses style rock and roll and you guys have solos and dueling guitars like iron maiden like what are
30:07you guys doing you're so messed like at the time with every album people are so divided and it's always
30:13been that way and then later down the road like that's my favorite album that's my favorite album
30:16so you kind of just write what you write and you you leave it up to people to love it
30:27hate it catch
30:28up to it later down the road but you always give it the you always do it from the heart
30:33you give it
30:33the best um best effort that you can possibly put into it you know you you record it exactly how
30:41you
30:41want it to be heard you make the lyrics exactly what you want them to be there's no phoning it
30:46in
30:46you know we throw away 98 of everything that we write and purposely save exactly what we want to
30:55to release and it's for us it's whether people like us or hate us it's always what we believe
31:03quality over quantity because there's bands that just write songs and they have a good formula and
31:07then they just keep writing songs that sound like the same song and hopes that another one will hit and
31:11hit and before you know it they have a bunch of songs that are very much their sound but they
31:17never step outside the box and for for a person like me that's when i get bored and look for
31:22the
31:22next artist that's trying to do something creative or keep me on my toes those are the ones that i
31:28go back to listening to for for my whole life yeah just so you're talking about they only got a
31:33couple minutes left here and didn't this thing but uh uh man you know the metallica boys you nailed a
31:38lot
31:38of the stuff that they do and you guys toured with them obviously and it's like you must have learned
31:41so much from a band like that we learned a ton and it was because we're such big fans and
31:49we learned
31:49how they treat their fans which is how a band should treat their fans they really care about their fans
31:56and they put everything into their shows they give it their best performance they put a lot of work into
32:02it they change set lists they do exciting things and honestly and this is going to be controversial but
32:10we were touring in a van and we were driving across the country playing small shows and it was right
32:15at the time when saint anger came out and that was the most divisive metallic album since load and
32:21since reload and since the black album and it's like still is yeah and you know you look back and
32:26you're like people were like what are they doing with the black album what are they doing with load like
32:30where are these guys at and then with saint anger it was like what are they doing like it was
32:35the
32:35craziest sounding and then we fell in love with it you know it may it might not be our favorite
32:39metallic album but the but the uh the uh thought behind it and the fact that it was so
32:48different and it had to be listened to and they were just going for this thrashy raw sound using tones
32:54that
32:55weren't perfect studio um modern day drum samples which they're fully able to to accomplish if they
33:02want you know they have they can do whatever they want they chose to go and just make this buck
33:06wild
33:07album and it was like if metallica can do that then we can do that and you know and by
33:13the way when you
33:14say now we love it we might be just you but uh i think we love the the concept of
33:20it you know i think
33:21we love the concept it's still it's still taking me a little bit longer to get into lulu but oh
33:26my god
33:26i even i've never even finished that record but i i love lou reed so i i know that those
33:32guys knowing
33:33that those guys are inspired by off the wall artists kind of caught me for a loop because they
33:40are such the epitome of of a metal band yeah and then it's like whoa they stepped that far out
33:47of out
33:48of the box it's like oh these guys just love music these guys are just fans of music and that's
33:52probably why they're so good at what they do which is which is kind of cool yeah no they're the
33:56best
33:56and obviously we saw you guys you know on that tour and that but uh i'll tell you what i'll
34:00see here
34:00august 4th uh with avenge april 3rd the new record drops called uh dark horse and a good luck with
34:06everything and zach thanks so much for the time man you're always great about uh giving me a few minutes
34:10i appreciate that of course i really do appreciate the time as well can't wait to get out there
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