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00:00A lot of people ask me if I have any regrets about leaving Dream Theater. I would say my
00:04only regret is that it took so long to come back together. I came back to Dream Theater
00:08and we ride off into the sunset together. This is the way it was supposed to have been.
00:13Rock, metal, frog, and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:20Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:25And now, it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:30Hey, Mike, good to see you, man. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing great. I love that Beatles
00:34poster you got right there. I know you're a big Beatles fan. You've probably talked about this
00:39before, but what is your Beatles album? There's no single one. It changes every day. I mean,
00:46one day it could be Revolver, one day it's the White Album, one day it's Pepper. It changes every day
00:51for 58 years now. Literally, from day one, I was a Beatles fanatic from day one.
00:59And they're still my goats of all time. So, yeah.
01:04Now, I remember, so we're pretty close in age. I remember when John Lennon was killed,
01:08I discovered my dad's Beatle albums. And ironically enough, Mark David Chapman's
01:12holed up in my hometown outside of Buffalo, New York. And a lot of my friends worked there.
01:18But how did you discover the Beatles?
01:21I'm not kidding when I say day one. Literally, I was born April 20th, 1967. That was the day that
01:27they completed Sergeant Pepper. And then it came out six weeks later. And I was listening to it in
01:33real time from that point on. My dad was a huge, huge rock music fan. He was even a rock DJ on a
01:40California station a few years later. And I was surrounded with it. So I remember when the White
01:45album came out. I remember when Abbey Road came out. I remember spinning all my little records with
01:49green apples on them and stuff. And so I was a fan in real time. And the first concert I ever saw
01:56was George Harrison on his short-lived solo tour in 1974. And then I saw Paul McCartney on the Wings
02:03Over America tour in 76, a few years later. So, yeah. When John was tragically killed in 1980,
02:10I was already there with them that whole ride up until then. So, yeah.
02:18Yeah, you were already invested. The first time I ever saw a Beatle live was in 2009. I think I was
02:23at the Grammys and Paul McCartney was there. And I actually texted one of my friends. I said,
02:26I am in a building with the Beatle right now.
02:28Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I've been fortunate enough to have met both living Beatles, both Ringo and Paul.
02:34I have great, great stories about meeting both of those guys, both amazing experiences. But I don't
02:41want to take up our interview talking about that. But yeah, yeah, they are. They are. They're my goats.
02:46Yeah. So. So. Well, wait a second. You brought it up real fast. So when you meet Ringo, do you tell
02:51him what a huge fan and what an influence he was? Of course. Well, I was introduced to him. I met him
02:55back in the late 90s and I had just like that week or whatever, won like some modern drummer award or
03:01whatever. So the guy introducing me to Ringo was like, oh, this is Mike Portnoy. He just won modern
03:06drummer, drummer of the year, whatever. And Ringo said, I thought I was drummer of the year. And I was
03:12like, no, you're drummer of the century, drummer of the millennium. Now, that's so cool, man. Yeah.
03:19You've got a chance to meet a lot of your heroes. I was just reading before we got on about how you
03:23became friends with Neil Peart. Of course, I never had a chance to meet him. I'm probably
03:27like a lot of people, but I did read Ghost Rider. I thought that was really amazing. And
03:32I saw that you talked about how he would send you these emails. I can just imagine what
03:36these emails I mean, just the way he wrote in the meticulousness about just just his
03:41aura. Yeah, he was like that. Like if you've read any of his books like Ghost Rider or his
03:47lyrics, for that matter, he was quite a writer. And that that translated as well
03:53to his emails, these emails I'd get from him would be pages long and so eloquently written
03:59and every word so meticulously picked and placed. He was just, yeah, he was like that. But yeah,
04:06I would get these emails from him. And what a treasure. I saved them all, of course. And
04:12what a treasure to have. Every once in a while, I'll pull them up and go back and reminisce.
04:16But yeah, what an honor for me to have become friends with him, you know, those last 15 years
04:21of his life or so he was such a gracious person. And if if you if he let you into his inner circle,
04:28which he was very protective over that that really was like the ultimate honor. And for
04:33me, it was. Yeah. Why do you think it was that he was so so private? I mean, do you think
04:38he did? I got the impression like he didn't like people like fawning over him like he was
04:42just so good. And everybody had to say how good he was. And maybe early on that kind of war
04:46war on him. Do you think a lot of it was his is he was just so humble. He was a really, really
04:54humble person. You know, everybody on earth telling him he's the greatest drummer of all time,
05:00which he probably was. But, you know, he never believed it. He always wanted to be better. He
05:05always strived to be better. He famously took lessons with Freddie Gruber, you know, you know,
05:11late, late, late in his career. He was just a very gracious, humble person. And and I guess
05:17protective over his private time, you know, as the longer I'm in this business, I get it. You know,
05:23I'm 58 now. I've been in the business for, you know, Dream Theater has been together 40 years,
05:28but I've been touring pretty steadily for well over 30 years. And I get that sometimes when you're on
05:35the road, you know, your private time is is real sacred and real important. And I love his line
05:41in the in the song Limelight. I can't pretend the stranger is a long awaited friend. It's a brilliant,
05:46brilliant lyric. And I could totally relate that, you know, the longer I'm doing in this, the older
05:51I'm getting, the more guarded and protective I am over my private time. I could totally relate to that
05:57that sentiment. Yeah. Did you ever go see Lakeside Park in St. Catherine's?
06:01I haven't. No, no. Yeah. I got to stop by there one day. I drive through there sometimes. But
06:06well, let's get back to Dream Theater here. September 21st at the Fox Theater. I don't know.
06:11Have you have you ever played the Fox? It's like Joe Bonamassa told me it's one of the nicest
06:14theaters he's ever played in. It's beautiful. Yeah, I haven't. I'm not sure if Dream Theater has
06:20without me, but I personally have never played there and and I've seen pictures of it and I know
06:26it's history. So, yeah, I'm really, really looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to that
06:30show for two reasons. First of all is to play that legendary theater. But second of all, we didn't
06:35hit Detroit on the first leg of the 40th anniversary tour. And this is kind of a big reunion for this
06:42lineup. This lineup hasn't played in in, you know, well over 15 years. So, you know, each and every
06:52stop on that first U.S. tour, whether it be Chicago or Dallas or L.A. or Phoenix, everywhere we went,
06:58it was a lot of people's first time seeing this lineup together in 15 years or in some
07:02cases of younger people seeing this lineup together for the first time ever. So we haven't
07:07had that experience yet back in Detroit. So this is one of the one of the main markets
07:12that we didn't get to hit the first time around. And I'm really glad we are this time.
07:15Yeah, it's interesting that you bring it up because there's a whole generation of kids
07:19that'll never get to see the original Pantera, for example. You know, it's stuff like that.
07:24So at least at least the the Prague rock fans and rock fans can come out and see you guys.
07:28Like like you said, the original lineup getting ready and getting back together.
07:32You know, I'm one of I don't know how many guys you talk to. I know you talk to Eddie and
07:35stuff, but yeah, I played Pull Me Under when it was brand new on the radio. That's how old
07:39I am. Yeah, well, it made a huge difference. I mean, the way that that song caught on at radio
07:45back in 92 when it came out changed our lives. You know, we were, you know, a struggling
07:52young band from Long Island, just trying to find our audience. And when radio got behind
07:56Pull Me Under all those years ago, it opened up the doors and began this ride that we've
08:01been on ever since. Yeah. Now, you mentioned that, you know, obviously, you know, Ringo
08:05Starr was an early influence on you, but obviously you don't play like Ringo Starr.
08:08You're you're you're more. I can, though. I just don't in dream theater.
08:12Yeah, I got you. But when when do you when do you when does the gears kind of shift in
08:16your head? It's like, man, this Neil Peart guy got, you know, or stuff like that.
08:20When does that change for you? Well, I have so many heroes in terms of drummers
08:25that range from guys like Ringo or Charlie Watts that you wouldn't necessarily hear
08:30in my playing to guys like Neil Peart and Bill Bruford and Terry Bozio that are a
08:35little more obvious. But I love them all equally. I also love thrash metal drummers
08:39and jazz fusion drummers. But in answer to your question, it depends on the what music
08:45I'm playing, where the influences come out with Dream Theater. Dream Theater's music is
08:50very technical and progressive. So my progressive and technical influences are going to come out.
08:54There's not necessarily a place for Ringo's style drumming in in a lot of these crazy
09:0010 minute Dream Theater epics. But I've through the years, especially my downtime outside of
09:07the band when I wasn't with the band, I did all these other bands and projects that did
09:10tap into all these other influences. I had a band like the Winery Dogs that was tapping into
09:15like a power trio, classic rock sound. You know, I was able to get into my John Bonham
09:20and Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker influences with a band like that. Then I have a band like
09:25Metal Allegiance, which taps into all my thrash metal influences. So I could do my Dave Lombardo
09:30and Mickey D and Vinnie Paul with that. And there's a lot of things I've had that have had
09:35places for the Beatles and the Ringo influence, you know, like Transatlantic or Flying Colors
09:40are two more prog bands that I've done that have a heavy Beatles influence, or I even did
09:46a Beatles tribute band with Paul Gilbert many years ago. So I was able to full on do Ringo
09:52mode for something like that. So I could pick and choose my influences and where they show
09:57up depending on the musical environment that I'm with.
10:00Yeah, I just mentioned like tons of bands. I saw you guys play with Winery Dogs here last
10:05time. You've been with Billy Sheen and a couple different projects, obviously Sons of Apollo
10:09and whatnot. What's it like to play with a guy like Billy?
10:13Billy has always been my favorite bass player on earth or surely one of them. I was a fan
10:19of his, you know, decades before he and I ever played together. I was going to see Talos in
10:25the Long Island clubs back in the early 80s. And I was a huge fan of him in particular, just
10:32from that. And then when he joined the David Lee Roth band in 85 or six, whatever that was,
10:37I mean, that first band with Billy and Steve Vai was a huge, huge influence for us in Dream
10:43Theater, just the musicianship. So yeah, I've been a fan of Billy's before I was ever a bandmate
10:50of his. And then once I started branching out doing different things, of course, he was
10:53the guy I wanted to work with. So we've worked together on so many things. The first thing
10:58we did was a Rush tribute album in the mid-90s. And then from there, I called on him to be in
11:07my Who tribute band that I did with Paul Gilbert and Gary Sharon. So the four of us did a Who
11:12tribute and Billy just killed that. And then once I left Dream Theater and had these opportunities
11:17to create my own things, I called him for so many of them. We did an instrumental fusion
11:21thing with Tony McAlpine and Derek Sherinian. And then we formed the Winery Dogs with Richie
11:27Carson. And then we formed Sons of Apollo with Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot and Jeff Scott
11:32Soto. So Billy and I, you know, especially in my years out of Dream Theater, we have done
11:37so many things together. And it's just down to, you know, I respect him so much as a bass
11:42player and connect with him musically. He and I as a rhythm section are just like locked
11:48and loaded and ready to rock. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm not in a band, but
11:52I like I play sports and it's got to be like playing with the same winger or something like
11:56that, you know, on hockey or whatever. It's cool that you bring up Talos because like I
11:59said, I grew up in Buffalo. My demo tapes to get on the radio, I recorded with Dave Constantino
12:04from Talos. Oh, yeah. 88 or something like that. Well, the very the very first Dream Theater
12:09shows back in 85 when we first started playing or 86, we were still called Majesty. And those
12:15first couple of shows, we were covering the Farindel by Talos. And yeah, so yeah, we were
12:22we were big fans of him back back then when we first put the band together. Yeah, it's
12:26funny because I've always kind of argued the fact that I think that that David Lee Roth
12:30band with Billy Sheen and Steve Vine, Greg Bisnett might have been the best band of the
12:3480s. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it was like my dream band at the time for sure. Yeah, that
12:39was a great record that they came out with. But like you said, you're coming back here
12:43with Dream Theater. So it's been a while now. You've played a bunch of shows. I mean,
12:47obvious question. How's how's it feeling for you back back behind the kit? It's been
12:51incredible. I mean, even though this is our first time coming through Detroit since I've
12:56been back in the band, it's been coming up on two years now for for us. So, you know,
13:03the reunions kind of, you know, it's been worked in. We spent the first year making our new
13:08album, Parasomnia. And then we spent the second year starting this past October. We've been on
13:13the road since then and there's no letting up anytime soon. So we've already played almost
13:18100 shows at this point all around the world. And like I mentioned already, everywhere we play
13:23for the first time, there's just such an energy and excitement and emotion in the audience. You
13:28know, people getting to see this lineup together again. So each and every place we go, it's just
13:33been overwhelming. The numbers have been great. It's been the biggest tour that Dream Theater's
13:39ever done. So I really can't say enough of how exciting it's been. And there's still
13:44a lot of gas left in the tank. We have this whole U.S. tour, which is hitting a lot of markets we
13:50didn't get to hit the first time around. So we get to share that first experience with so many people.
13:54And then we do Australia and Asia after the new year, next January, February and March.
14:02Then we have another European tour next spring. So yeah, it's when all said and done, it's going
14:08to be about a year and a half tour cycle, just getting around to everybody. And it's just been
14:12bigger and better than ever. I know. I've heard you talking about this in the past where you're
14:17really a hands-on guy and you like to keep your control, so to speak. So how much control do you
14:23have now going back into the band? Is it like before or is there some other things kind of that other
14:29guys are doing now? I wouldn't say it's like before. When I left the band in 2010, I was a control
14:35freak and oversaw every aspect, every text, every email, every single aspect of the band, whether it
14:43be the merchandise, the fan clubs, the set list, blah, blah, blah. I was very a control freak, very much
14:49so. And it's not like that now. The years that I was gone, the band kind of redesigned their
14:56internal structure and how they work. John Petrucci ended up taking on a lot of responsibilities. He
15:02solely produces the albums now, whereas we used to do them together back then. And there was a lot
15:08of things, a lot of restructuring they had to do while I was gone. So now coming back to that after 13
15:14years away, I have to be very respectful over, you know, what they had built all the years without
15:20me. And I'm not going to come in here and just assume that it's going to be exactly how it was
15:25when I left, because it's not going to be. And John and I had a conversation even before we solidified
15:30me coming back. We just laid out the conversation like, you know, he was like, hey, are you going to
15:35be okay not doing this? Are you going to be okay sharing this? And we had to kind of lay out all of
15:40those dynamics on how we would function internally. And it's okay. I'm actually happier now this way.
15:47I think it's a better band dynamic. It's a more true balance now than it was. So it's kind of the
15:54best of both worlds. And there are a lot of areas that were given back to me, like writing the set
15:59lists. And with that comes programming the house music at the show and the intermission and all the
16:04kind of stuff that goes into the way the show is run, the concert presentation. So luckily,
16:10that has always been my biggest passion. So that's one area that was kind of thrown back to me and
16:17then sequencing the album order. You know, that was always another big one for me. So yeah, we talked
16:22about the ones that were important to share and the ones that were important to delegate and find a
16:27happy balance. Yeah, I like I said, I've been in this business for a while. And one of my things I
16:31always said was if you want it done, you just got to do it yourself. And so that's kind of how I am
16:35too. That was my old mentality. Because, you know, the first 15 years of the band, we went through
16:40everything as a quote unquote democracy. But all that meant was we would just fight and bicker until
16:45I would beat everybody down. So there was a point about 15 years in around about 1999, 2000, when we
16:53made the scenes from memory album, we decided we're going to do away with this fake democracy. And myself
16:58and John were going to run the ship, we were going to co-produce the albums, we were going to make the
17:02business decisions together. And, you know, so once we kind of got into that way of running the show,
17:09it went a lot smoother. And there was a lot of things that I had freedom to just make decisions
17:13on, on my own, I didn't have to go back to the band to discuss and bicker and argue. And it did run
17:19much better that way. But then I also see, you know, how that could cause a little resentments too,
17:25when one guy is making a lot of decisions without the discussion or inclusion of other band members.
17:30So I think the way we do it now is, like I said, it's the best of both worlds. And it's a very
17:35smooth way of running. And we're much older. We're all in our late 50s and 60s, where we're a lot more
17:40mature. We don't want to fight and bicker over, you know, what is going to be the third song on the
17:46B side of the album. You know, a lot of people realize you pick and choose your fights and you pick
17:50and choose your battles and, and not everything is worth fighting over. And it's a lot, it's a much
17:55more calmer headspace, more serene way of doing things at this point in our career.
18:00Now you like, like you just mentioned, you were out of the band for 13 or 14 years and you come
18:04back into the band. Do you ever think that there are some bands out there that I'm not going to talk
18:08about that they should just get back together just for the fans or just for whatever, maybe they've
18:12grown up. Maybe there's things you learned that you could pass along to them. I mean, from being away
18:17from Dream Theater for so long. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I recommend this to anybody that's on the fence
18:23about reuniting with their band because it is the great, it's the best thing we ever did. And a lot
18:29of people ask me if I have any regrets about leaving Dream Theater. I would say my only regret is that it
18:34took so long to come back together. I wish it had come back together sooner. So you see like Roger
18:39Waters bickering with David Gilmour or, you know, Skid Row bickering with, with Sebastian Bach. And all I could
18:46say is guys, you're older and wiser, do it for the fans. If anything else, you know, you know,
18:54I'm so glad that I came back to Dream Theater and we write off into the sunset together. This is the
19:00way it was supposed to have been, you know, I couldn't have written it any better. And it would
19:05have been one of the biggest regrets of my life if we hadn't reunited. And I look at like bands like
19:10Sebastian and Skid Row or, or whatever, there's probably a big list that we can name. And you
19:17know what time does heal all wounds. And, and I would, I would recommend this to anybody, you know,
19:23it's better to be riding off into the sunset together and, and rekindling a friendship and
19:28a love that certainly had to have been there at one point for any of these bands were Roger Waters
19:33and Pink Floyd, you know, it's there somewhere deep down and it's better to ride off into the
19:38sunset together than to be apart and having those deep seated resentments is life is just too short
19:44for that kind of stuff. Yeah. And it's like, I think it took some of the bands right out of the top of
19:48my head, but, but, but so, so that 13 or 14 years, was this like a chance for you to get out and just
19:54like, I don't know, for lack of a better term, just, you know, just, just do your, do your own
19:59thing, do things maybe you couldn't do when you're in Dream Theater and kind of get that out of your
20:02system? The years that I was away. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, I, I always loved
20:09the Dream Theater guys. And even when I left the band 25 years in back in 2010, it, it wasn't any
20:16fight or anything that broke us up. I, it broke my heart having to leave the band. You know,
20:20I just wanted to try some other things in my life. You know, I was at that point touring with
20:25Avenged Sevenfold and I had done a few other things that I got a taste of what else is out there other
20:31than this Dream Theater world. And I wanted to be able to spread my wings a little and do some of
20:36those things. You know, we already mentioned the Winery Dogs and Metal Allegiance and my bands with
20:41Neil Morris, like Flying Colors and Transatlantic. All of those were things that I loved doing and
20:47that maybe those musical styles didn't have a place in Dream Theater's world. So I wanted to
20:52expand myself a little bit and work with some other musicians and tap into some different musical
20:57styles. So once I left the band, I just went nuts. You know, I just formed like, you know,
21:04eight or nine different bands. And I, I did something like 40 or 50 studio albums over those
21:0813 years, something crazy like that. Just touring from band to band to band, tour to tour to tour.
21:14And I don't regret a minute of it because it was really some of the great, greatest musical
21:19experiences I've ever had. And I wouldn't have had them if I didn't step away from that time from
21:24Dream Theater. So really, you know, everything happens for a reason. And, you know, as much as
21:29I missed Dream Theater and missed the guys and missed the fans, I have no regrets about those
21:34years away because I really achieved some incredible musical experiences.
21:40Now, you mentioned Metal Allegiance. Dave Ellison told me, you said, ask him about the show on the
21:46Motorhead Cruise, the first one.
21:48Well, that's where we started. We originally myself, David Ellison, Charlie Benante and Frank
21:55Bello from Anthrax, the four of us, along with Mark Mengi, who was a corporate guy at the time,
22:01we were doing these kind of big clinic things called Metal Masters. And it grew to the point
22:07we had Kerry King from Slayer, we had Phil Ensemble from Pantera. We had all these guys joining us
22:11as it developed. And then finally, we found ourselves on the motorboat. And that's when
22:18Alex Skolnick from Testament joined us. And at that point, we had this idea of evolving it into a
22:26thing called Metal Allegiance. And at that point, the idea was to get together and write some original
22:32music. And from there, we made two albums of all original music, the core band being myself,
22:38David Ellison, Alex Skolnick, and Mark Mengi. And from there, we had everybody joining us,
22:43Mark Ossigata from Death Angel, Phil Demmel from Machine Head. Literally, this who's who of the
22:49thrash metal world ended up getting involved with Metal Allegiance. Not only the two studio albums,
22:54but every year we'll do one or two shows. We do an annual show that coincides with the NAMM show out
23:01in the West Coast, usually every January. And then usually we'll squeeze in an East Coast show
23:05later in the year if we can. But yeah, it's been this ongoing kind of community of metal musicians
23:13that have done this. And everybody from every thrash metal band I could think of,
23:18from Metallica to Slayer to Anthrax to Mastodon, they've all been included in some
23:24extent or another. And it's been one of the most fun things for me to have this thrash metal outlet,
23:31because I'm kind of like a kid playing in their playground, honestly. I'm like the prog guy getting
23:38to play with all my thrash friends. Yeah, I'm sure they love that. I know David Ellison does.
23:43Hey, I see your Aussie shirt on there. I don't know if I've ever, that seems like kind of an
23:47unusual shirt. I don't know if I've ever seen that one. The Blizzard of Oz tour. Oh, wow. That's an old
23:51one. Wow. 81. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm a huge Aussie fan. I know you've talked about that. Did you watch
23:57that final show? Yeah, well, I was on tour in Europe when it happened, so I couldn't watch it
24:03in real time. I didn't have 10 hours to just sit in front of a, it wasn't like a day off. So I had
24:10to kind of grab the live stream and watch it in chunks. But over the course of about a week or so,
24:15I banged through the whole concert and it was phenomenal. What a, what a glorious, I mean,
24:21and now it's even more significant with Aussie's passing. But even if Aussie hadn't passed,
24:25it was such an incredible tribute. And you, you know, I've said this elsewhere, but you see these
24:30amazing tribute concerts like the Freddie Mercury tribute concert or the Taylor Hawkins tribute
24:34concert. And in those cases, it was always after the fact and those artists didn't get to feel the
24:39love. In this case, it was so beautiful because Aussie was there and was alive to not only experience
24:46it, but to play it as well. And for him to have felt that love and really for everybody to be able to
24:52have that final day with him, you know, to, to say goodbye and to say, thank you, it could not have
25:00been any more beautifully written. I mean, you know, to have lost him two weeks later is just
25:07absolutely surreal, absolutely surreal. But for him to have, not only for him, but for all of us to have
25:13that final goodbye, that farewell kind of celebration was, was just so beautiful.
25:21And you, you probably met him a bunch of times, right?
25:23I only met Aussie once, to be honest. When I was touring with Avenged, we did a show together and
25:29I met him, we were on a car and a train in Japan that was blocked off just for the two of our bands.
25:36So I have a picture with him on the bullet train in Japan, which is so, we're better to have a photo
25:41with Aussie than on a crazy train, you know? But yeah, I only met him once, but everybody else that played
25:47the concert, everybody from Anthrax to Slayer to Mastodon, I mean, I'm friends with all the guys,
25:52all the musicians that took part in it. I was so jealous to not be there, because I was like the only one
25:58out of all those groups of the metal bands and stuff that wasn't there celebrating and performing,
26:04you know? I was on tour with Dream Theater elsewhere and couldn't make it, but what a, what a,
26:08what an amazing show, what an amazing send-off and a perfect, perfect farewell celebration.
26:13Yeah, that was like the rock event of the, uh, century for sure. Oh, absolutely.
26:18Hey, last thing here for you, we'll let you go. I know that you're big into movies and films and
26:22stuff. And you mentioned, uh, George Harrison. Have you seen the, uh, the, the new movie Weapons?
26:27I heard about it. No, no spoilers. Cause it's on my, it's on my must see film list. And I hear that
26:33there's a George Harrison song that appears. I don't even know which one. Cause I prefer to just get
26:39soak it in and feel it. I won't tell you. Yeah. But I'm a, I'm a huge movie fan and I'm dying to
26:44see that. And I love when, when obscure rock songs are put into a movie, like, uh, like there's a
26:49movie called Mandy, uh, which was made by Panos Cosmpos, uh, this amazing Greek director. It opens
26:56with King Crimson Starless and it was a goosebumps or, or there was a film, Vincent Gallo's Buffalo 66 that
27:03came out many years ago that utilized, uh, yes is heart of the sunrise in it. Uh, so yeah, I love when
27:09obscure rock songs are utilized in a film, it's, it's a, it's a great thing. So I'm looking forward
27:13to seeing it. Yeah. It was funny. Cause I put it on my turntable, the, the record and I, and I heard
27:18that song and it kind of flashed back to the movie right away. But what are some of the other movies
27:21that you've seen lately that, that you've liked is, is there any that are out right now? Any newer
27:25ones? I just watched Eddington, which was Ari Oster's latest film, Ari Oster's one of my favorite
27:31modern directors. He did Hereditary and Midsommar and this is his latest one. And it's brilliant.
27:36It's a masterpiece, uh, modern day country, like what, like modern day Western, kind of
27:43like the Coen brothers, no country for old men kind of in that feel. Um, but yeah, Ari Oster
27:50is amazing. He, he's one of my favorite directors out there, him and Paul Thomas Anderson. Uh,
27:57there's a lot of great, great guys these days, the whole A24 studio. I mean, everything they
28:01put out, I'll go see anything they put out regardless of who made it or who's in it.
28:06I just know that it's a stamp of quality if they're putting it out. Yeah. I'm a horror
28:10guy. So I just saw like together was pretty wild. Yeah. I want to see that too. Yeah.
28:15Weapons was great. I thought weapons was really good. Um, a lot of great horror films just came
28:19out, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just saw, uh, uh, uh, uh, talk, talk, wait, uh, not, uh, not
28:28the, the company, the, the guy, the directors that, Oh, they did, uh, what is it? Talk to
28:32me, talk to her, bring her back a lot. What's the movie I just saw? I'm spacing out here.
28:38I think I know what you're talking about, but neon and, and all these companies are putting
28:44out all this. Bring her back, bring her back. That's another great, great, uh, one would
28:48remind me of hereditary a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny. Cause I see so many of them.
28:52Sometimes I forget which ones I've watched like that, that movie. Do you see, uh, in
28:57a violent nature? Yeah. And they're making a second one. Actually they're making a sequel.
29:02I thought it was a little bit slow, but I thought it was pretty, I don't mind slow. I love
29:06slow. I can handle it. I'm a David Lynch fanatic. Yeah. Uh, that was pretty good. I've
29:12topped my head. I'm trying to think of the other ones I've seen lately, but yeah, the
29:15together was strange darling. There's a film called strange darling. That was see
29:19that, that film was, was, um, okay. All right. Yeah. You got into it now. So now I
29:25gotta get into it. So that film was, uh, was told in a, in a, in a unique way. And so
29:29is weapons. Oh, great. Great. I love that. I love when it's nonlinear. That was very,
29:34very Quentin Tarantino. And I love when films are told that way. Yeah. Well, we could talk
29:38movies all day long, but we'll say a September 21st at the Fox with, uh, with Mike and
29:43Dream Theater. Thank you so much for your time. My pleasure, man. Thank you. See you then.
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