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00:17as I looked at the photographs of the girl she was dead the photo did not give me life I went
00:23in derbio the car was as if it was going by itself until at a certain point I stopped
00:29I looked at the water and I got the answer I understood that the girl with the car was there
00:42speaking a psychic called Maria Rosa Busi indicates the exact point where in Lake Como it is
00:49Chiara Bariffi's body was found inside her car
01:01first sign I made and that's all it is is where the girl was she told me
01:09many things
01:10to tell the parents to keep them calm she felt that I was honest and sincere that I would have anyway
01:18let's say we did everything possible to take her out Maria Rosa Busi's employee would have been just right
01:29Chiara Bariffi, 30, had disappeared three years earlier.
01:38We too had taken care of the discovery of those who had seen him and his parents had told us
01:43when we talked about her, they told us about her passion for photography but also about her difficulties
01:50a sort of malaise of uncertain nature, something that already manifested itself in sudden fits in high school
01:57headache and they had told us about the anxiety that suddenly gripped a disabling malaise
02:05to the point of making her abandon her studies already in the first year of university, perhaps this same malaise
02:12causes devastating effects when he goes to England for three years Chiara should perfect his
02:19English at 25 and looking for some professional identity but comes back shocked
02:25marked by extreme experiences, she tells of having frequented people devoted to the forces of evil
02:32from his sometimes delirious speeches one can also intuit references to satanic sects Chiara had
02:39moments of absence as if she were a prisoner of another reality and altered perceptions
02:45she came into our room saying can you hear me someone must have come in no I say look here no
02:52there's really no one here go to bed stay calm the border between shadow and light in Chiara's head
02:59Yes
02:59it's confusing and the dark side seems to take over
03:09On January 11, 2002, she heard noises in the cellar and was convinced that someone had entered the house.
03:15she's scared and runs away the police stop her the police realize that the girl was
03:25altered and they even believed that she had taken hallucinogens, in short, and they brought her back
03:32at home she saw you when she came here yes but we were no longer us we were lookalikes we were
03:39no it's not you it's not you he said he repeated like that
03:45the parents manage to convince her to go to hospital and the heavy treatment based on psychotropic drugs seems
03:51be effective come home and happy seem born is even appropriate of its ancient
03:59passion for photography and soon there will be an exhibition of his which has been carefully prepared
04:07everything is ready the night before Chiara leaves the house she sees some friends and disappears
04:17and on the night between November 30th and December 1st 2002, the trail of Chiara is lost.
04:24the road that connects Dervio to Bellano on Lake Como is very dangerous and clear in the movements of
04:30that evening a violent storm is expected to pass by there that night in the area
04:38first fear that the girl was the victim of a road accident there is one point in particular
04:43sadly known for the large number of victims and near the entrance to a tunnel with the road in
04:50descent that curves rapidly there beyond a low wall where debris has been piled up the coast
04:57It is overlooking the lake which reaches up to 200 metres in depth. The volunteers of the
05:04Civil Protection immediately inspects the air and it is assumed that the clear air may have ended up at the bottom
05:10At the lake the divers descend to 80 metres but there is no clear trace of her or her car.
05:17ended up in the lake
05:22Three years pass, three years of fruitless searches, the investigators end up suspecting their friends
05:28who were with her on the night of her disappearance, two of them in particular the last ones who saw her
05:34Massimo Barili and Sandro Vecchiarelli the hypothesis is that Chiara felt ill following a
05:41night of drug abuse, alcohol and psychotropic drugs and old men believing that the dead woman did it
05:48disappear with the complicity of his friend and another acquaintance who would have even used a
05:53tow truck to throw the car and the girl into the body of water this would explain the reason
06:01therefore no traces of a collision with the car were found on the wall that borders the road
06:09let's be clear, these are just suspicions, there is no proof, it is not known what really happened to the
06:15young woman and it is in this circumstance that is when it is suspected that the girl has remained
06:20victim of someone who appears on the scene the psychic Maria Rosa Busi
06:27the psychic has a conviction, or rather a clear certainty, and her car is at the bottom of the lake
06:34exactly in the spot where she had been searched three years before they tell her that it is not possible that there
06:41They've already looked for her down there but she doesn't listen to reason. She knows a civil protection rescue group.
06:47of the Brescian who has a robot and tells them to go down to the bottom beyond the 80 meters of
06:54to push
06:55up to 120 meters deep and there at that depth they find the off-road vehicle of clear and inside
07:02his body from a point of view let's say of geographical coordinates were indications
07:08precise let's say or approximate with respect to the area the area was not precise in the order of how many
07:15meters just to understand 10 to 30 meters here Maria Rosa Busi ends up in all the newspapers and the
07:24televisions are talking about her at the same time the discovery of Chiara's body gives new impetus
07:30During the investigations, investigators are increasingly convinced that it was not an accident but
07:35It was someone who sank the car and the girl at the bottom of the lake and old men one of the two friends comes
07:43accused of murder the trial is held the psychic is also summoned a question looms
07:50above all, but the busi truly has the gift of being able to receive signals and find people
07:56disappeared or there is something else underneath
08:03My name is Busi Maria Rosa Amazzano on 18 4 of 50
08:13in dervio in bellano everyone said that chiara had ended up in the lake and then in that point that the most
08:20dangerous the psychic then collected those voices but there is another detail to reflect on
08:28psychic enters the scene following a suggestion from Vecchiarelli, Chiara's friend who ended up under
08:33investigation and suspected of having killed her and he told the girl's mother to contact
08:39clairvoyants and fortune tellers to reach the solution of the case was the first one who appointed
08:46since we are very far from these I mean from the idea of ​​resorting to people like that no and he
08:56he says but but why does he say guard now no don't you turn to some psychic some some
09:07maybe I don't know if he also said fortune teller or something like that, in short, in a way he says I don't know
09:12what are they called here says one of those and therefore by pure chance the abuse has come to
09:20contact with the parents chiara bariffi at that moment or something escapes us and has escaped
09:26even to the investigators it appears evident that the psychic's entrance on the scene occurs when
09:32investigations fail, mother declares that she was skeptical of the paranormal after three years of
09:41Waiting and vain hopes, but for this woman, abuse has become her last hope.
09:49thought now then last resort let's go I'll ask this lady busi and the psychic
09:59he is aware I was the last resort practically to help find this girl maria rosa busi
10:06she was really able to collect a message from the afterlife as she claims, managing to
10:12so to solve the enigma of the disappearance of chiara bariffi what we want to highlight
10:19putting aside for a moment any possible suspicion about the credibility of the psychic and that
10:26the irruption of the paranormal in cases of disappearance occurs every time the investigations reveal themselves
10:32approximate or when they stop at a dead end and that's when families
10:38feeling abandoned by the investigators they sink into a state of helplessness, anguish and loneliness
10:45and that's when they rely on psychics and seers. The fact is that the files of the investigations on people
10:54missing persons and solved crimes are increasingly full of this type of reports which often
11:01are taken into consideration and even carefully checked
11:08let's go back to the Chiara Bariffi case. During the trial, the investigators want to find out if the
11:14girl ended up at the bottom of the lake due to an accident or if she was the victim of a crime, hear what
11:20the magistrates ask the psychic why she stopped on her way back from Derghi
11:25I can't tell you what I feel as a psychic, the magistrates are pressing you, but how did you find out?
11:35where it was clear I can simply tell you that starting from the barpin I stopped there because there I had
11:41I felt that there was something I see clearly in the car don't ask me how to do it because these
11:47things are not said because I am a legend does this I am a sensation a sensation a
11:52vision they also ask her if Chiara was killed and by whom but the abuse she refuses to describe
11:59the circumstance if you have an idea of ​​how she died clear no I don't want to think about it I can't think
12:10in contact with Chiara yes this contact presupposes that you talk to each other no I don't want to talk about this
12:17what hurts me a lot the only thing doesn't it seem a little strange no it's not a sensation it's not
12:23I want
12:23tell us where she was found and don't tell her who killed her the only no to me
12:28excuse me one thing
12:29I'm like that I promised two parents that I would find their daughter I don't care who is the
12:36you do it
12:37your your task if she makes a possible effort that she does not have the curiosity to know
12:43How did the girl end up in the lake or did she do it? She is curious and doesn't look into it further.
12:48or he doesn't want to tell us my job was to bring clear where the rest is that's fine
12:56Also
12:56he told us I can tell you because I repeat I can't but you know of course that I know but not
13:05I can
13:05to say it from busi takes refuge in silence the autopsy the expert reports the numerous investigations do not resolve the
13:13doubts one above all chiara was conscious when she ended up in the water in the end vecchiarelli the friend
13:19suspected of having killed her is acquitted for not having committed the crime but on the death of clear
13:25There are still too many mysteries left in the Bariffi case that neither the investigations into the psychics trial have succeeded in solving.
13:33so far, to shed light on the situation in the United States, the FBI has regularly turned to psychics for
13:46solve cases of disappearances and solved crimes but then there really are individuals with
13:54extraordinary qualities what we want to understand here and how the world of
14:00missing intercepts that of the paranormal and vice versa the reasons that determine the contact
14:07and what happens in the case of Chiara Bariffi the mother relies on the psychic when the investigations
14:13they fail but it also happens in Italy that clairvoyants and psychics are even involved by the same people
14:21investigators as Rosemary Laboraggine claims, the clairvoyant who said that Elena Ceste had
14:27thrown into the Tanaro there are the investigators first who call me and the commander also calls me
14:34of the station of my country saying for example there is the colleague the commander of Ausonia Frosinone
14:42this one disappeared the other one disappeared they would like your help also the also the family she also was
14:51several times called directly by family members they call me if the family member initially turns to the
14:58Carabiniere obviously then when they see that they are either in a hurry or can't get to the bottom of it
15:04I am called by the family itself to whom lately I say yes, it's fine, I'll take care of it though
15:12I want the customers' request but when these clairvoyants provide information to relatives friends and
15:19even to the investigators what do they say how do they know what happened to him or where he is?
15:25one of the missing people as she already said the abuse says to talk to the dead I am also helped by
15:32from the presences I believe in God I always say I don't believe people who say they talk to the dead
15:41at will the deceased do not come to say I love you you can say that a child when
15:49a missing person appears dead clearly says some things about the messages to give to the person for this
15:58paranormal a world that of the paranormal which is full of pitfalls the condition of fragility
16:08where the relatives of the missing are located is another recurring element in these cases of
16:14facing the desperation of an absence when no answers come from the reality that surrounds them
16:20seeking refuge elsewhere the paranormal can sometimes seem like the only solution a hope is also a
16:28way to survive extreme pain is the case of marisa gorinucci cristina's mother when
16:34there is no truth especially in these cases and I have to find out what happened Cristina of course
16:43that you have to be more than strong and keep your feet on the ground because otherwise your head goes off
16:50Believe me, for 23 years Marisa Gorinucci has been fighting to find out what happened to her daughter Cristina if not
17:01he will be able to hug her again he wants to be able to at least give her a dignified burial
17:09January 18, 1988 Cristina Gorinucci writes down in her diary what she wants from life so as not to waste it
17:19I would like to start a family and have children. We are in Cesena in the summer of 1992. Cristina Gorinucci
17:29He is almost 22 years old and is in a happy period of his life. At the end of August he goes camping with his family.
17:35Boys
17:35from the parish of his neighborhood I have chosen experiences for the summer that will help me discover myself
17:42to conquer myself and if possible to give something of mine to others and when she comes back she wants to go straight away
17:50to find who has always followed her on a spiritual level Father Linus the friar who directs the
17:55Capuchin convent so he calls him on the phone and makes an appointment for Tuesday 1st September at
18:02At 2.30pm that day, after saying goodbye to his mother, he gets into his blue 500 and heads off to the convent.
18:14he enters the parking lot and disappears into thin air
18:20Father Lino, interviewed at the time by someone who saw him, says he never met her.
18:25when I didn't see it, nobody gave it any importance but also because she asked me to
18:33to be able to come at 5pm and I told him that at 5pm it wasn't possible because I already had other commitments
18:39So I asked him if he could move the appointment forward to two thirty.
18:47the car was found near the convent but then where did Cristina go and what happened to her?
18:53we stay up all night, my husband and I, hoping for something, a sign, a
18:59I arrive who knows what at 7 when in the morning we have to give the alarm to all the relatives and I
19:07I understood that I would never see my daughter again but I prayed that the Lord would make her suffer
19:14as little as possible now I still don't know how the truth even if it's ugly must be had
19:25Cristina is looked for everywhere except in the convent because the person in charge denies access
19:31Ten days after Cristina's disappearance, it was September 1992. My husband received the phone call.
19:40of a lady called Dina from Forlì where she said she wanted to help us that we were going
19:46up to the convent she said that Cristina was there who got it out of us and we went we went
19:53We ran with her many, many times but Cristina never succeeded on this path.
20:01I followed far and wide anyone who came along I wanted to find the truth about Cristina so how do you do it?
20:10don't follow even the most crazy leads and I've already done it how do you not follow even the leads
20:18more
20:18Sbadato Marisa has more than one doubt about that type of indication but doesn't want to leave anything
20:24two years after the disappearance in 1994 there is a breakthrough in the investigation of a local girl
20:33finds the courage to report that she was raped by a Ghanaian and that she managed to
20:39escape before the man kills her Emanuel Boche is a bricklayer and is a guest of the convent of the
20:48cappuccino for more than three years and that's where he is when Cristina's tracks go missing
20:55boche is arrested for the rape of the other girl in prison confesses padrellino to having
21:01After Cristina's body was made to disappear, the prelate alerted the police but when he was questioned
21:07the man denies everything with the obbile raped girl she told me look marisa that if cristina is
21:16rebelled he killed her because she had experienced this boy the rapture of this boy an hour of
21:23rape with a knife to the throat so from there I will never take my finger off Boche
21:34However, the investigators did not find any concrete evidence and the sentence for sexual violence was served.
21:401999 Boche is released from prison and leaves the scene after years the investigators enter
21:49finally they also inspect the numerous underground tunnels in the convent but they don't find anything
21:55nothing maybe it's too late little father in the meantime he died I've always said and I'm saying at the top of my voice that
22:04the tomb the convent is my daughter's tomb I don't know if the remains are there if there is
22:10something there and I hope
22:12only that beyond everything little father didn't leave without saying anything that he doesn't know
22:18really nothing while the investigators archive and reopen the investigations at Colinucci's house a knock
22:26army of sensitive dowser and mediums to the point that Cristina's mother notices everything on a
22:32when we were acting with the police we almost never said anything about the psychics we were going we were transported by from
22:42pain also from something that was outside our ideas from our things I the first agenda where the first
22:53For years I was writing down all our outings, the things we did, and looking at each other in broad terms.
23:03not even if I count them all there are even more than thirty look and as I told you if I
23:11someone happens to tell me marisa I'm the one who lets it happen because I can't take away the hope of saying
23:19find and as they say I wait for the devil to make the pots but he says without a lid I wait
23:26that pot that has no lid to find this truth in 2004 is declared dead
23:34Cristina's alleged today Marisa is left alone to search for the truth many times in desperation
23:44but with so much love I scold my husband I say you already know and I'm here fighting and still
23:53I don't know
23:53I have to find Cristina's remains to take her to the cemetery with her dad.
24:08sometimes on the paths of the paranormal you can get lost to the point of disappearing
24:14Rita came here and met some people who said they talked to their children and she started
24:21within this community I don't know these friends and she had to go and talk to her daughter she thought she could
24:28talking to the dead daughter Rita's daughter who was 14 when she died
24:39There are many people who, when faced with a traumatic separation, fall into an abyss of despair.
24:46the only interest that animates them is the desire to have their loved ones at least once again
24:52neighbors and then they look for a way to get in touch with them to recover some of that lost serenity
25:00forever
25:09Ginella Tobacco: A teacher from Cuneo suddenly loses his partner and enters the world of the paranormal.
25:16when I lost my partner I fell into an abyss of despair, my loss was
25:22Truly
25:24a terrifying blow also because five months later we were supposed to get married and I had just
25:31I am fortunate and grateful to these friends, a group of friends who had suffered bereavements and who
25:38they were gathering to contact their loved ones. I was completely unaware of that before that moment.
25:45I didn't know that these things could be done, what they used as I then used for many years
25:51there
25:52planchette which is a board with the letters of the alphabet that is seen by many as something
25:59dangerous and rita loppino is a desperate mother who cannot accept the death of her daughter
26:07she attempts suicide, a moment of depression, she took a mix of drugs, we saved her by the skin of our teeth, they took her
26:16at the hospital at night she wakes up I'm next to her and she tells me damn I'm still here there's no
26:27there
26:27I do more survives Rita and desperately tries to move on in the way she did those
26:36writings those with letters those that call the dead with the little table those nonsense there the first
26:42but has he ever told you yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes but he said it
26:47that I wrote it because it's her
26:50he participated in these things because he hoped he could talk to his daughter, yes, if she believed in it so much
26:57no if it was a way to give oneself an illusion I don't know I don't believe it that unfortunately when
27:05there is no
27:05we are more we are more but the daughter's accident was a tragic accident tragic accident yes she
27:12he was driving no he was with his boyfriend with a boy yes that evening was the last day of it was over
27:21school she said mom let's go to the square to get ice cream why not be late why not no but
27:30we are here the pastry chef there in front instead at half past nine she called that they instead of stopping in
27:37small square for scooters they went to the center coming back from the center they massacred Piazza Baracca
27:45On the outskirts of Milan where she lives, Rita goes out on her bicycle at 8 in the morning on March 4, 2008
27:53Blu like every day goes to the Baggio cemetery to visit his daughter's grave then
28:00The
28:00neighborhood sees her return home and shortly after go away again and then nothing some think
28:10in a voluntary escape the woman took with her her cell phone, the charger and all her belongings
28:16bicycle medicine no trace what happened I'm convinced that Rita's aspiration is
28:28connected to Rita's associations with this new religion
28:37Rita would have been attracted by a so-called school that promised after years of walking
28:42faith redemption would then have been convinced by the members of that school that they had succeeded in
28:49Making spiritual contact with their deceased leader is a first step along the paths of the paranormal
28:56his fellow adventurers of this sect told me your sister doesn't dream of the master
29:07he dreams of his daughter, he contacts them, he talks to them, he touches them and this thing scared me a lot but
29:17And
29:17It's possible that Rita has forgotten about her son and sister, to whom she has always been very close.
29:24when I discovered that Rita had started hanging out with these people I tried to do something
29:29way and manner of being close but I didn't make it my fault someone else's fault I don't
29:35I know
29:35honestly because I hope to have the whole mass now I want to say one thing Rita soon there will be one
29:43big news, let me know, it would be the best thing in the world for us and for your son
30:00from little Sergio Isidori to the sce twins from Emanuela Orlandi to Roberta Ragusa there is not just one
30:07There is no case of disappearance that has not received the attention of psychics, mediums and fortune tellers.
30:14who asked for large compensations for his services and so it happened that in desperation the relatives
30:20they also added the economic damage Maria Rosa Busi the seer who had the body found and the
30:26Chiara Bariffi's car involved in the search for Denis Pipitone did not provide any useful information
30:33just like Rosemary Borage, she told Denise's mother that one day she will meet again
30:40his daughter piera one day you will see your daughter again one morning we will wake up I don't know when this isn't
30:49I can see we will wake up and we will know about Denise we also hope that Piera Maggio can be a
30:56day to hug his daughter again but we don't read the future ours is just a wish and it
31:03We are addressing not only Piera but also all those who hope to find their missing loved one.
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